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00:03:14,784\n好,所以也予以重視金公教因為現在對軍人來講是他們最能夠在意的就是調薪那當然國軍希望能夠給他們一個非常重視跟尊重那另外就是有沒有可能農民\n\n10\n00:03:17,134 --> 00:03:34,805\n榮民的醫院到經營的醫院的看診的優惠你是不是可以責成跟國防部來做一個雙向的一個溝通因為很多我想各位你一生中你是軍人出身\n\n11\n00:03:35,706 --> 00:03:49,665\n我相信你的習慣都到你的在軍業裡面比如說替你看診的他的專業他的權威你可能會富裕信心交給他來看診\n\n12\n00:03:50,947 --> 00:03:51,247\n李卓人議員\n\n13\n00:04:08,214 --> 00:04:11,975\n上次委員指導之後,我們現在目前正在辦理的是不分退伍的關節,有志榮民全合補助\n\n14\n00:04:26,981 --> 00:04:39,967\n我們修了我們相關的一個就醫的辦法,已經完成了。現在目前陳茂行政院在核定當中。那這個將來的預算是每年大概增加新台幣1200萬元。\n\n15\n00:04:42,228 --> 00:05:10,845\n那如果剛剛委員所指導的我們可以轉到國軍軍醫院的話那這個醫療補助的費用負擔我相信你們會考慮到這個預算的問題可能會增加一倍以上但是你們可以在院會提出這樣的想法如果不提出怎麼會有這個怎麼會有這個機會但這也是直接照顧到軍人啦好不好你也是本身軍人我也是本身軍人所有委員的關心\n\n16\n00:05:12,006 --> 00:05:21,871\n我想說你們提出這樣的一個概念這是一個我的論述希望能夠促成好不好另外就是因為\n\n17\n00:05:23,513 --> 00:05:50,044\n我比個案例108年的5月1號警察消防海巡移民空勤人員醫療照護實施的方案的對象是警消海巡移民及空勤等人等人員及遺見而且還包含退休人員照護的方式之一是以國防部\n\n18\n00:05:50,664 --> 00:06:06,249\n退補會所屬的醫療機構就醫時免收掛號費而且在國防部退補會所屬醫療機構就醫健保部分分擔者來這個費用由\n\n19\n00:06:07,811 --> 00:06:26,645\n行政院全額補助所以這個可以比照這樣的一個方案然後來做一個討論跟我們的國防部來雙向的一個溝通來替我們這個軍人能夠習慣到軍醫裡面看審也比照榮民的待遇裡面好不好\n\n20\n00:06:27,645 --> 00:06:44,313\n謝謝委員關心另外就是針對退補會高山農場恐遭到光電板的入侵我想你們這個退補會在新聞稿裡面有澄清新增太陽能相關事項是針對現況無法農業\n\n21\n00:06:48,796 --> 00:07:04,409\n這個農業耕作使用是低度利用土地,農場得以符合地方政府土地使用管制規定前提之下,這個評估自己的方式,但是如果你今天把這個高山農場要設置關電板的時候,請問在\n\n22\n00:07:10,053 --> 00:07:32,558\n設置這樣的一個這麼清幽而且沒有污染的地方而造成你光電的設置造成污染這個就是你們要考慮的地方因為退不會全國經營的五大農場機構經營事項正式新增太陽能及生殖能相關事項所以你們要考慮\n\n23\n00:07:33,698 --> 00:07:47,333\n如果建蓋這個太陽能只是你們剛剛所提的你們新聞稿的澄清裡面的範圍可是一旦設置太陽能的時候可能就不止這個範圍了為什麼業者會借用這個機會裡面去設置其他的一個地方\n\n24\n00:07:52,839 --> 00:08:06,084\n所以這個就是你們要思考的可不可能暫緩先不要再做這樣的一個光電的一個入侵的一個辦法你們再思考看看有沒有可能\n\n25\n00:08:07,321 --> 00:08:36,161\n各位有關於農場開放重電造成環境問題我跟委員做過說明我們曾經發佈過新聞稿我們現在目前山高山光光的農場是絕對沒有那個絕對會影響就是山高山是沒有的我們現在唯一有的是平地彰化農場是平地農場那這平地農場彰化農場有16處大概17公頃它是設置在哪裡是低度利用等於沒有開發價值的土地的地方一個排水溝\n\n26\n00:08:37,022 --> 00:08:37,162\n很好!\n\n27\n00:09:05,709 --> 00:09:33,325\n謝謝我們主委今天提出的想法我們是一致的那另外就是剛剛徐巧欣委員所提的幻象2000不管今天它就是要做一個雙渦輪雙引擎我們今天我們所有的幻象2000所有的機密它包含它的機種機能跟它的這個整個的一個信念對岸都已經了若指掌第二個\n\n28\n00:09:34,085 --> 00:10:03,568\n我們未來我們如果要延續延壽8年甚至到20年有沒有必要更換新的機種以成本的條件來說如果今天我們在延續延壽但是如果它的成本的價高而且它的機種它的極限提高價格的話我們國人能不能接受所以是你們思考的地方好不好\n\n29\n00:10:04,068 --> 00:10:06,249\n我相信你們在擔任國防部的時候你就很清楚他的性能沒有錯\n\n30\n00:10:20,097 --> 00:10:47,135\n但是如果8年延售到20年已經機種已經以現代的機種來講改為6代機了改為6代機了所以有沒有必要延售有沒有必要再來來跟他們做一個簽約合同把這些的這個機種再延售下去成本過高成本過高好不好主委我會轉達給他們謝謝委員指導\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t10682\t有請我們嚴竹瑞請嚴竹瑞王委員好主委好\n11522\t28251\t那關於退休奉筆照金公教的調薪這一切問題的根源都在於物價調薪只是一個結果有關於這個金公教員工的待遇經過審議委員會的決議在民國114年的1月1號起調整為3%\n37256\t58630\t那當然自從1988年迄今25年來首度連續兩年的調薪也就是說111年後的第3次的調薪這兩次調薪皆為4%那調薪主委調薪的經過調薪的原因是什麼\n60992\t78084\t建功教員工是勞動經濟中最標準的固定薪資階級,意思也就是他們所得不會因為經濟環境而浮動,這也是表示物價上漲的時候,固定薪資階級的實際所得其實是減少的。\n81266\t103012\t所以消費者這個物價指數是金工教員工是否調薪的最重要的指標因為他們在任何的狀況沒有辦法因應這個物價指數所以諸位這個在上次我有特別提到這個部分你也非常的認同是嗎\n105572\t125464\t有關於軍職退伍的炮轍他們定期給付金額的調整這是《陸海空軍軍事官服役條例》39條還有施行規則48條的規定這是剛剛委員所提到的當消費者的指數累積成長增幅5%然後每4年會做一個檢討這是現行的相關的規定\n128746\t147562\t那要不要調整,調整的比例是由相關退輔機關,包括國防部、全系部、教育部共同組成這個專業評估的小組來評估整個調整的方案,就報告考試員跟行政院合併,那本部來質詢。那陳國光委員說的,那目前最近兩次的調整\n149283\t158647\t111年7月配合4年時間到了定期的調整調整2%那113年調整4%因為物價指數在111到112物價指數成長了5.52%那目前114年我所知道的我們並沒有研議退職人員調薪的相關的一些事情\n170708\t194784\t好,所以也予以重視金公教因為現在對軍人來講是他們最能夠在意的就是調薪那當然國軍希望能夠給他們一個非常重視跟尊重那另外就是有沒有可能農民\n197134\t214805\t榮民的醫院到經營的醫院的看診的優惠你是不是可以責成跟國防部來做一個雙向的一個溝通因為很多我想各位你一生中你是軍人出身\n215706\t229665\t我相信你的習慣都到你的在軍業裡面比如說替你看診的他的專業他的權威你可能會富裕信心交給他來看診\n230947\t231247\t李卓人議員\n248214\t251975\t上次委員指導之後,我們現在目前正在辦理的是不分退伍的關節,有志榮民全合補助\n266981\t279967\t我們修了我們相關的一個就醫的辦法,已經完成了。現在目前陳茂行政院在核定當中。那這個將來的預算是每年大概增加新台幣1200萬元。\n282228\t310845\t那如果剛剛委員所指導的我們可以轉到國軍軍醫院的話那這個醫療補助的費用負擔我相信你們會考慮到這個預算的問題可能會增加一倍以上但是你們可以在院會提出這樣的想法如果不提出怎麼會有這個怎麼會有這個機會但這也是直接照顧到軍人啦好不好你也是本身軍人我也是本身軍人所有委員的關心\n312006\t321871\t我想說你們提出這樣的一個概念這是一個我的論述希望能夠促成好不好另外就是因為\n323513\t350044\t我比個案例108年的5月1號警察消防海巡移民空勤人員醫療照護實施的方案的對象是警消海巡移民及空勤等人等人員及遺見而且還包含退休人員照護的方式之一是以國防部\n350664\t366249\t退補會所屬的醫療機構就醫時免收掛號費而且在國防部退補會所屬醫療機構就醫健保部分分擔者來這個費用由\n367811\t386645\t行政院全額補助所以這個可以比照這樣的一個方案然後來做一個討論跟我們的國防部來雙向的一個溝通來替我們這個軍人能夠習慣到軍醫裡面看審也比照榮民的待遇裡面好不好\n387645\t404313\t謝謝委員關心另外就是針對退補會高山農場恐遭到光電板的入侵我想你們這個退補會在新聞稿裡面有澄清新增太陽能相關事項是針對現況無法農業\n408796\t424409\t這個農業耕作使用是低度利用土地,農場得以符合地方政府土地使用管制規定前提之下,這個評估自己的方式,但是如果你今天把這個高山農場要設置關電板的時候,請問在\n430053\t452558\t設置這樣的一個這麼清幽而且沒有污染的地方而造成你光電的設置造成污染這個就是你們要考慮的地方因為退不會全國經營的五大農場機構經營事項正式新增太陽能及生殖能相關事項所以你們要考慮\n453698\t467333\t如果建蓋這個太陽能只是你們剛剛所提的你們新聞稿的澄清裡面的範圍可是一旦設置太陽能的時候可能就不止這個範圍了為什麼業者會借用這個機會裡面去設置其他的一個地方\n472839\t486084\t所以這個就是你們要思考的可不可能暫緩先不要再做這樣的一個光電的一個入侵的一個辦法你們再思考看看有沒有可能\n487321\t516161\t各位有關於農場開放重電造成環境問題我跟委員做過說明我們曾經發佈過新聞稿我們現在目前山高山光光的農場是絕對沒有那個絕對會影響就是山高山是沒有的我們現在唯一有的是平地彰化農場是平地農場那這平地農場彰化農場有16處大概17公頃它是設置在哪裡是低度利用等於沒有開發價值的土地的地方一個排水溝\n517022\t517162\t很好!\n545709\t573325\t謝謝我們主委今天提出的想法我們是一致的那另外就是剛剛徐巧欣委員所提的幻象2000不管今天它就是要做一個雙渦輪雙引擎我們今天我們所有的幻象2000所有的機密它包含它的機種機能跟它的這個整個的一個信念對岸都已經了若指掌第二個\n574085\t603568\t我們未來我們如果要延續延壽8年甚至到20年有沒有必要更換新的機種以成本的條件來說如果今天我們在延續延壽但是如果它的成本的價高而且它的機種它的極限提高價格的話我們國人能不能接受所以是你們思考的地方好不好\n604068\t606249\t我相信你們在擔任國防部的時候你就很清楚他的性能沒有錯\n620097\t647135\t但是如果8年延售到20年已經機種已經以現代的機種來講改為6代機了改為6代機了所以有沒有必要延售有沒有必要再來來跟他們做一個簽約合同把這些的這個機種再延售下去成本過高成本過高好不好主委我會轉達給他們謝謝委員指導\n","txt":"有請我們嚴竹瑞請嚴竹瑞王委員好主委好\n那關於退休奉筆照金公教的調薪這一切問題的根源都在於物價調薪只是一個結果有關於這個金公教員工的待遇經過審議委員會的決議在民國114年的1月1號起調整為3%\n那當然自從1988年迄今25年來首度連續兩年的調薪也就是說111年後的第3次的調薪這兩次調薪皆為4%那調薪主委調薪的經過調薪的原因是什麼\n建功教員工是勞動經濟中最標準的固定薪資階級,意思也就是他們所得不會因為經濟環境而浮動,這也是表示物價上漲的時候,固定薪資階級的實際所得其實是減少的。\n所以消費者這個物價指數是金工教員工是否調薪的最重要的指標因為他們在任何的狀況沒有辦法因應這個物價指數所以諸位這個在上次我有特別提到這個部分你也非常的認同是嗎\n有關於軍職退伍的炮轍他們定期給付金額的調整這是《陸海空軍軍事官服役條例》39條還有施行規則48條的規定這是剛剛委員所提到的當消費者的指數累積成長增幅5%然後每4年會做一個檢討這是現行的相關的規定\n那要不要調整,調整的比例是由相關退輔機關,包括國防部、全系部、教育部共同組成這個專業評估的小組來評估整個調整的方案,就報告考試員跟行政院合併,那本部來質詢。那陳國光委員說的,那目前最近兩次的調整\n111年7月配合4年時間到了定期的調整調整2%那113年調整4%因為物價指數在111到112物價指數成長了5.52%那目前114年我所知道的我們並沒有研議退職人員調薪的相關的一些事情\n好,所以也予以重視金公教因為現在對軍人來講是他們最能夠在意的就是調薪那當然國軍希望能夠給他們一個非常重視跟尊重那另外就是有沒有可能農民\n榮民的醫院到經營的醫院的看診的優惠你是不是可以責成跟國防部來做一個雙向的一個溝通因為很多我想各位你一生中你是軍人出身\n我相信你的習慣都到你的在軍業裡面比如說替你看診的他的專業他的權威你可能會富裕信心交給他來看診\n李卓人議員\n上次委員指導之後,我們現在目前正在辦理的是不分退伍的關節,有志榮民全合補助\n我們修了我們相關的一個就醫的辦法,已經完成了。現在目前陳茂行政院在核定當中。那這個將來的預算是每年大概增加新台幣1200萬元。\n那如果剛剛委員所指導的我們可以轉到國軍軍醫院的話那這個醫療補助的費用負擔我相信你們會考慮到這個預算的問題可能會增加一倍以上但是你們可以在院會提出這樣的想法如果不提出怎麼會有這個怎麼會有這個機會但這也是直接照顧到軍人啦好不好你也是本身軍人我也是本身軍人所有委員的關心\n我想說你們提出這樣的一個概念這是一個我的論述希望能夠促成好不好另外就是因為\n我比個案例108年的5月1號警察消防海巡移民空勤人員醫療照護實施的方案的對象是警消海巡移民及空勤等人等人員及遺見而且還包含退休人員照護的方式之一是以國防部\n退補會所屬的醫療機構就醫時免收掛號費而且在國防部退補會所屬醫療機構就醫健保部分分擔者來這個費用由\n行政院全額補助所以這個可以比照這樣的一個方案然後來做一個討論跟我們的國防部來雙向的一個溝通來替我們這個軍人能夠習慣到軍醫裡面看審也比照榮民的待遇裡面好不好\n謝謝委員關心另外就是針對退補會高山農場恐遭到光電板的入侵我想你們這個退補會在新聞稿裡面有澄清新增太陽能相關事項是針對現況無法農業\n這個農業耕作使用是低度利用土地,農場得以符合地方政府土地使用管制規定前提之下,這個評估自己的方式,但是如果你今天把這個高山農場要設置關電板的時候,請問在\n設置這樣的一個這麼清幽而且沒有污染的地方而造成你光電的設置造成污染這個就是你們要考慮的地方因為退不會全國經營的五大農場機構經營事項正式新增太陽能及生殖能相關事項所以你們要考慮\n如果建蓋這個太陽能只是你們剛剛所提的你們新聞稿的澄清裡面的範圍可是一旦設置太陽能的時候可能就不止這個範圍了為什麼業者會借用這個機會裡面去設置其他的一個地方\n所以這個就是你們要思考的可不可能暫緩先不要再做這樣的一個光電的一個入侵的一個辦法你們再思考看看有沒有可能\n各位有關於農場開放重電造成環境問題我跟委員做過說明我們曾經發佈過新聞稿我們現在目前山高山光光的農場是絕對沒有那個絕對會影響就是山高山是沒有的我們現在唯一有的是平地彰化農場是平地農場那這平地農場彰化農場有16處大概17公頃它是設置在哪裡是低度利用等於沒有開發價值的土地的地方一個排水溝\n很好!\n謝謝我們主委今天提出的想法我們是一致的那另外就是剛剛徐巧欣委員所提的幻象2000不管今天它就是要做一個雙渦輪雙引擎我們今天我們所有的幻象2000所有的機密它包含它的機種機能跟它的這個整個的一個信念對岸都已經了若指掌第二個\n我們未來我們如果要延續延壽8年甚至到20年有沒有必要更換新的機種以成本的條件來說如果今天我們在延續延壽但是如果它的成本的價高而且它的機種它的極限提高價格的話我們國人能不能接受所以是你們思考的地方好不好\n我相信你們在擔任國防部的時候你就很清楚他的性能沒有錯\n但是如果8年延售到20年已經機種已經以現代的機種來講改為6代機了改為6代機了所以有沒有必要延售有沒有必要再來來跟他們做一個簽約合同把這些的這個機種再延售下去成本過高成本過高好不好主委我會轉達給他們謝謝委員指導\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 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