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00:00:16,139\n再比照一下優質一下好謝謝昭偉那我們就邀請部長請農業部陳部長部長好\n\n2\n00:00:26,223 --> 00:00:47,820\n部長我先前也有跟你聊過就是說我們針對這一個轉作的獎勵也就是綠色環境幾部那我們綠色環境幾部他是基於說維護臺灣的這個農地的資源那我們也希望減少稻米的種稻因為臺灣的稻米產量過剩的所以我們是\n\n3\n00:00:50,221 --> 00:01:07,197\n轉鼓勵農民去種雜糧作物尤其是黃小玉那就會有針對雜糧的一個獎金一個獎勵金那這個獎勵的對象也有包括G7年在G7年有種到的農地或者是有契約的甘蔗田那\n\n4\n00:01:08,328 --> 00:01:23,398\n那我要跟主委聊的就是說,我們知道說事實上有很多河川工地,阿這個河川工地勒,他沒有經濟,然後他就是會土石流,每次颱風會有土石流嘛,土石流來,他就會把整個河川兩側都會遇激啦\n\n5\n00:01:29,262 --> 00:01:45,863\n吼會有淤積那淤積還好哦最麻煩的就是說他一下子會生那個蘿蔔球啊蘿蔔球長得哇比一個人還要高啊事實上我們過去也有在鼓勵吼河川地是可以開放給農民來吼來種植\n\n6\n00:01:46,624 --> 00:02:03,584\n阿我們只是獻他說如果你是在訓期的期間你不可以種而且如果非訓期你要進非高經作務這個我想這個部長這沒有問題嘛但是看起來農民要去種植要在這個河川工地種植的誘因是不夠的\n\n7\n00:02:05,226 --> 00:02:18,706\n那主要的一個誘因來源就是說他們並沒有這個剛剛講的這個獎勵金沒有這樣的獎勵金那我要跟主委說就是說我們如果以這一次巴掌溪在凱米颱風然後他造成的水災\n\n8\n00:02:19,827 --> 00:02:40,054\n我們看到的就是輸菌的問題,我們看到的就是這個巴展西兩側這些雜木,銀河歡長得太高了,然後影響到了輸菌所以說這個東西是連帶的,然後為了後來要解決這件事情,行政院用了28億來做加強的輸菌28億,這筆錢很大\n\n9\n00:02:45,436 --> 00:03:13,309\n那我要跟部長講就是說如果我們可以跨部會的來整合這件事情我們應該跟經濟部水利署跳出來說好我們這個河川工地鼓勵農民來工作讓農民來代為管理然後我們針對這樣的河川工地我們也給他類似這個轉做獎勵的鼓勵農民來做農民就給大家的地管理才好\n\n10\n00:03:14,329 --> 00:03:16,231\n這部份你們可以在政策上來做一個檢討嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:33,473 --> 00:04:01,973\n我謝謝委員對於核酸工地本身的一個關注那現在臺灣其實在我們在規劃國土計劃裡面大概核酸工地有大概有3萬公頃左右是在做從事一些非訊息的時候種植那委員講的我們可以認同的一個重點就是說如果農民在非訊息的時候去種植他也代為管理這個這邊核酸土地那在這樣的精神裡面可能要考慮的就是說第一個就是說我們在做獎勵的一個設計的時候\n\n12\n00:04:03,514 --> 00:04:03,754\n執行局局長\n\n13\n00:04:33,514 --> 00:04:52,645\n需要再跟一些相關單位把它確認起來對如果說面積是可以確定的時候我們接下來就是會確定它的栽培期因為如果在汛期的時候有沒有它重反而會影響到整個的河道的一個水路的流動嘛然後非汛期的部分然後才會去設計它的獎勵但是我在這邊我們有在規劃\n\n14\n00:04:58,989 --> 00:05:14,841\n這個獎勵不會比照一般的田地啦因為基本上他沒有相關的地租嘛或者是地租非常便宜這要看水利署後續怎麼處理所以我跟委員簡單的說明就是我們會跟水利署去做一個合作然後針對怎麼樣做法會讓\n\n15\n00:05:16,062 --> 00:05:23,604\n我希望這件事可以快,因為我剛剛有講這一次巴掌溪就花了28億,然後要整幾乎是差不多下游段都幾乎都要整治了。所以你說在這個時間點,我們可以讓農民買好水去種,他就管理得好啊。\n\n16\n00:05:41,010 --> 00:06:06,364\n如果我們再拖一年,你如果知道台灣這種氣候就很難發生就發起來了,以後你等於農民說我要去租,他又要去清那些草,又陰又不見了所以我覺得很多東西就是說,這個時候剛好到時候我們就趕快處理,讓農民以後就來管理這裡,管理起來就很好,農民有收益,然後我們整個政府他在未來要處理要再清這一些\n\n17\n00:06:06,664 --> 00:06:07,064\n災害救助的標準\n\n18\n00:06:27,432 --> 00:06:41,099\n水稻來說,水稻如果是這個在幼苗的時候,它的災害的救助一分地是400元,是這種,我們知道現在農民,他要插糧,這個恆仔的身份,人工的身份都提高,一分地都已經到兩三千塊,所以這個天然災害的救助這個以400塊而言看起來,\n\n19\n00:06:51,524 --> 00:07:20,288\n也偏低還有上上一次來到我們東石去看那個那個楷米颱風那一次那個蚵仔順勢也很嚴重那次部長也有來那也是有去聊到說事實上針對類似這樣的蚵仔他的災害的救助6000塊也已經將近30年沒有調整了所以這樣很多的現象看起來這個天然災害的這個救助的一個標準是不是有再為檢討的一個必要\n\n20\n00:07:20,848 --> 00:07:21,028\n主席\n\n21\n00:07:51,068 --> 00:08:14,938\n向這個物價指數標高的時候我們也可以做一些調整所以未來會變成一個制度性的我認同你這樣子用制度性的來看待這件事情因為總部的每一個品項都要等到有人去關心才會被變動嘛所以因為品項很多所以你們應該定期然後有一些檢討然後去符合合理的一個災害的一個救助標準對而且我們會把這個這個\n\n22\n00:08:16,138 --> 00:08:22,890\n把他列到天然災害救助基金的辦法裡面去明定每一年的一月份去公告這樣的話就會\n\n23\n00:08:24,608 --> 00:08:34,752\n道米保險對於農民的誘因一直是拉不起來我覺得我們有必要再花個時間再來檢討一下整個道米保險的政策好不好我想道米保險的部分我們會再加強努力那其實我們道米這兩年理賠其實都蠻超額理賠大概都8點多億\n\n24\n00:08:51,900 --> 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