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00:01:34,338\n他有三個問題第一個問題是你們的申請時間以去年來講是在9月15日到10月16日只有一個月的申請時間而且是在10月16日截止換言之如果他是在11月想要讀博士班甚至於等到很多大學的博士班的招生檢章出來之後他看了檢章覺得不錯他想報考\n\n5\n00:01:35,765 --> 00:02:00,323\n但他有經濟壓力他就沒有辦法得到國科會這樣的協助也喪失了國科會的這個政策的美意第二件事情是完全宣傳完全不足因為很多人不知道這個計畫當時只有不好意思我在跟主委詢答可以不要干擾主委嗎主席你剛剛不是才有講過嗎我先暫停一下好不好\n\n6\n00:02:01,547 --> 00:02:28,855\n好我想直接再暫停一下那我想其實大家想要協助主委不過真的要尊重一下我們在質詢的委員好不好不然等一下我問什麼主委也不知道啊以前就發生過這個狀況啊主委要注意一下好不好各位同仁拜託大家不要心急然後第二個問題就是宣傳不足很多人根本不知道這個計畫然後等到知道之後已經來不及了所以導致於好像很多有巷子內的人知道這個計畫第二個宣傳不足第三個是在學學生被排除因為他之前不曉得這個計畫\n\n7\n00:02:29,835 --> 00:02:52,752\n到學校之後發現怎麼有這個計畫發現不能申請了因為他已經入學了所以很多人反而再次跑去考一次博士班取得新生資格來申請這個計畫上個會期就已經提到這三個問題了結果這幾個月我們還是不斷的接到博士生的陳情講同一件事這三個問題完全沒有改善第一\n\n8\n00:02:53,613 --> 00:03:11,512\n主委你們這一次申請時間一樣是在今年的10月1號到10月31號還是只有一個月時間換言之等到申請到10月31號截止之後想要讀博士班但是有經濟壓力的研究生他就沒有辦法來申請了嘛\n\n9\n00:03:12,709 --> 00:03:34,240\n二月三月看到博士生簡章想要報告就沒有辦法來申請阿第二宣傳一樣不足阿連一場記者會都沒有召開我剛剛還去google我怕誤會你們阿我去google國科會博士班蔣全晶一則新聞都沒有關於現在你正在宣傳的計畫一則新聞都沒有我剛剛還去看你的臉書臉書也完全沒有宣傳\n\n10\n00:03:35,080 --> 00:04:00,702\n所以我不知道說你這個是辦給誰辦給國科會的子弟嗎還是辦給只有認識國科會的人那上個會期跟我們講說會加強跟學校聯絡我去問了狀況很多學校的老師跟學生還是不知道這個計畫啊所以你到底是宣傳給誰然後再來再來就是在學生一樣一樣是被排除所以上個會期前主委承諾的要改善的每一件事情都沒有改善\n\n11\n00:04:01,423 --> 00:04:29,420\n然後再來我們來看一下你們最新的這個檢章檢章我覺得也是很奇怪這剛剛我有講過資格就是你們就是申請到10月31號下一頁然後要送怎麼件呢以去年來講你們是有除了申請表之外還有研究計畫書還有一些其他審查資料那今年是把研究計畫書把它去掉只有申請書跟其他審查資料我先問一下主委今年為什麼把研究計畫書把它取消\n\n12\n00:04:30,216 --> 00:04:48,569\n就是讓更多學生更容易升錢啊但是你沒有宣傳啊所以你的意思是說把研究計畫書拿掉是降低他的門檻嗎讓學生在準備的時候因為委員有提到說他一入學就要升錢他可能還沒有研究計畫啊不是一入學又要升錢\n\n13\n00:04:49,850 --> 00:05:06,760\n是我現在我如果是2月明年2月我看到簡章我才想說我想要報名的人已經來不及了嘛因為你們是在今年10月31號就截止了嘛所以你會造成90%的遺珠之憾這是我上個會期一直在提醒的結果你們說要改善你們也沒改正了好下一頁\n\n14\n00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:32,079\n結果主委你看一下這也是你們的簡章113年因為你有要求他提出研究計畫所以你有個研究計畫的評分嘛要佔百分之三十然後研究計畫對國家未來發展的重要性佔百分之十右邊是你們最新的簡章主委請你看一下簡章右邊114年度我劃線部分有沒有研究計畫有沒有研究計畫\n\n15\n00:05:35,458 --> 00:05:46,961\n有沒有研究計畫還是有還是有研究計畫站幾分主委40分好我們上一頁右邊你的簡章裡面要人家教的資料裡面有沒有研究計畫\n\n16\n00:05:48,919 --> 00:06:13,092\n沒有,所以很荒謬嘛!你在前面的檢查沒有叫人家交研究計畫下一頁研究計畫佔了40%的分數那如果你是申請的人主委你是申請人你到底是要交研究計畫還是不要交研究計畫而且主委你剛剛自己講的喔為什麼免除研究計畫是因為要讓大家的申請門檻降低\n\n17\n00:06:14,578 --> 00:06:29,234\n結果實際上你剛剛講的東西完全打裂你之前說的話嘛所以我只舉一個缺失其實這個缺失蠻嚴重因為你會讓申請的人無所適從啊你就知道說你們在辦理這個研究計畫辦理這個獎學金有辦得多麼的隨便\n\n18\n00:06:31,596 --> 00:06:45,905\n所以我為什麼非常生氣因為很多學生是不買單的嘛我們來看一下這個除了有很多人跟我陳情之外網路上也都很容易看到人家抱怨你這個獎學金在左邊那個是一個成功大學在低卡的學生的發文他說\n\n19\n00:06:47,186 --> 00:07:16,286\n呃我們你看我們框起來的部分他有打電話給國科會的人去問這個獎學金的事情結果你們國科會的人跟他講說哎呀獎學金這麼多啊也不是只有國科會啊你就提早規劃不會哦學生說那個國會的人讓他感覺是不差你這個啦反正我們只要把預算消化完就好了有沒有達到政策目的沒有差啦然後你看他框出來的部分他說感覺雖然立委質詢過可是國科會就是不重視\n\n20\n00:07:18,427 --> 00:07:35,723\n而且沒有想要真正的培養優秀研究生然後右邊是國立清華大學在低卡的一個學生的巴文他也講啦他說他一直在研究國科會的這個研究計畫結果名額很少啦看了半天原來是當屆博弈才能申請他也搞不清楚你們的計畫\n\n21\n00:07:36,764 --> 00:08:03,967\n所以他的署名是什麼呢一路打工兼差苦撐到現在快畢業的一個學生奉勸大家讀博士班要三思你們這個計畫已經讓學生在網路上批評成這樣叫大家不要讀博士班我就問啦這個東西有符合你們政策的目標嗎沒有所以我們要改你上個會期就說要改啦請問一下這個是哪一個處負責的\n\n22\n00:08:06,089 --> 00:08:17,243\n我們科國處的處長才剛上任所以以後你們就只要換一個主委換一個部長做事就可以重蹈覆轍可以這樣嗎不是我答應你主委你這樣講話我聽不下去啦\n\n23\n00:08:18,260 --> 00:08:47,007\n那麼多博士生大家都有經濟壓力想要拿那個獎學金你們說要激勵大家要免除大家的經濟壓力結果你的政策反而讓大家在網路上罵聲一片奉勸其他人不要讀博士生然後你講話還前後矛盾說我要免除研究計畫但是後面又有研究計畫這到底是什麼演張啊你會不會降低國科會的公信力這是我們執行的問題所以這一點我們會幫他改善過怎麼改善\n\n24\n00:08:48,290 --> 00:09:13,202\n就是把它去掉啊不是只有這個問題而已我剛剛講了三個問題第一個你有宣傳嗎宣傳不利宣傳不利那要怎麼宣傳你現在時間來得及剛剛委員提到的包含在臉書國科的這個網站等等都不夠啦但是學校主委你會讓人家以為說好像跟你們國科認識的人才來申請一般人都不曉得嘛\n\n25\n00:09:13,982 --> 00:09:30,247\n那委員建議什麼低卡嗎?不是你第一個你要分階段來弄這個名額嘛否則的話你這個到了10月底沒有申請的人以後就沒有機會了嘛你要分階段如果我今天是5月我看了簡章我才想要報名的人然後我有經濟壓力的我就沒辦法來申請了啊\n\n26\n00:09:31,247 --> 00:09:58,077\n這部分原來是因為行政院通過的方案裡面就已經定時了那我會改我會改希望未來你講因為你現在檢証還沒有因為你知道10月31號你跟我講怎麼補救這一次沒有辦法沒有補救那如果他是明年3月還想要報名的一樣的問題啊他就沒有辦法來申請了啊我們有發配給學校的除了那400個是國會申請之外我們給學校有600個名額\n\n27\n00:09:59,656 --> 00:10:21,187\n我沒有解決我剛剛講的問題,所以我覺得針對問題回答啦,因為你也是學者啦,我們就針對問題回答。但是我們給學校的是學校可以制定辦法。那我現在講的是這400個名額好不好,卓偉。可是你要廢掉這400個嗎?沒有廢掉啊。如果你編的預算有這400個名額,我們就要把這個做到好嘛,不是有做就好,要做到好嘛。我們會把它做好啦。怎麼做?\n\n28\n00:10:22,179 --> 00:10:40,334\n阿就是把那個因為因為我們照理站起來了我想諸位你應該也是第一次聽到這麼荒謬的計畫你可能需要一點時間消化你什麼時候來我們我們辦公室來說明一下這個計畫因為這個是講博士生很關心人不要開玩笑這是教育的東西耶什麼時候可以改啊我們要改啊好\n\n29\n00:10:46,356 --> 00:10:46,717\n接下來請楊瓊英委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4054\t7096\t主席好,麻煩請國科會主委。好,我們有請吳主委。\n25174\t42830\t葉委員好吳主委好那個上個會期那個時候還是前一個主委的時候其實我非常關心就是我們博科會博士生獎學金的問題那當時我有提出三個問題那那個前主委也承諾會改善但是我們辦公室一段時間就會接到博士生的陳情電話\n44091\t72097\t看得出來國歌會完全都沒有想改變的意思我今天就來就教一下到底國歌會是怎麼回事我上個會期我先前期回顧一下上個會期就曾經提到因為你們有提出一個獎學金嘛400個名額主要是激勵型的希望讓那些還沒有決定要讀博士班的學生不要因為經濟的問題讓他卻步所以大概補助三年一個月補助四萬塊鼓勵他們在免除經濟壓力的情況之下來報考博士班\n72917\t94338\t他有三個問題第一個問題是你們的申請時間以去年來講是在9月15日到10月16日只有一個月的申請時間而且是在10月16日截止換言之如果他是在11月想要讀博士班甚至於等到很多大學的博士班的招生檢章出來之後他看了檢章覺得不錯他想報考\n95765\t120323\t但他有經濟壓力他就沒有辦法得到國科會這樣的協助也喪失了國科會的這個政策的美意第二件事情是完全宣傳完全不足因為很多人不知道這個計畫當時只有不好意思我在跟主委詢答可以不要干擾主委嗎主席你剛剛不是才有講過嗎我先暫停一下好不好\n121547\t148855\t好我想直接再暫停一下那我想其實大家想要協助主委不過真的要尊重一下我們在質詢的委員好不好不然等一下我問什麼主委也不知道啊以前就發生過這個狀況啊主委要注意一下好不好各位同仁拜託大家不要心急然後第二個問題就是宣傳不足很多人根本不知道這個計畫然後等到知道之後已經來不及了所以導致於好像很多有巷子內的人知道這個計畫第二個宣傳不足第三個是在學學生被排除因為他之前不曉得這個計畫\n149835\t172752\t到學校之後發現怎麼有這個計畫發現不能申請了因為他已經入學了所以很多人反而再次跑去考一次博士班取得新生資格來申請這個計畫上個會期就已經提到這三個問題了結果這幾個月我們還是不斷的接到博士生的陳情講同一件事這三個問題完全沒有改善第一\n173613\t191512\t主委你們這一次申請時間一樣是在今年的10月1號到10月31號還是只有一個月時間換言之等到申請到10月31號截止之後想要讀博士班但是有經濟壓力的研究生他就沒有辦法來申請了嘛\n192709\t214240\t二月三月看到博士生簡章想要報告就沒有辦法來申請阿第二宣傳一樣不足阿連一場記者會都沒有召開我剛剛還去google我怕誤會你們阿我去google國科會博士班蔣全晶一則新聞都沒有關於現在你正在宣傳的計畫一則新聞都沒有我剛剛還去看你的臉書臉書也完全沒有宣傳\n215080\t240702\t所以我不知道說你這個是辦給誰辦給國科會的子弟嗎還是辦給只有認識國科會的人那上個會期跟我們講說會加強跟學校聯絡我去問了狀況很多學校的老師跟學生還是不知道這個計畫啊所以你到底是宣傳給誰然後再來再來就是在學生一樣一樣是被排除所以上個會期前主委承諾的要改善的每一件事情都沒有改善\n241423\t269420\t然後再來我們來看一下你們最新的這個檢章檢章我覺得也是很奇怪這剛剛我有講過資格就是你們就是申請到10月31號下一頁然後要送怎麼件呢以去年來講你們是有除了申請表之外還有研究計畫書還有一些其他審查資料那今年是把研究計畫書把它去掉只有申請書跟其他審查資料我先問一下主委今年為什麼把研究計畫書把它取消\n270216\t288569\t就是讓更多學生更容易升錢啊但是你沒有宣傳啊所以你的意思是說把研究計畫書拿掉是降低他的門檻嗎讓學生在準備的時候因為委員有提到說他一入學就要升錢他可能還沒有研究計畫啊不是一入學又要升錢\n289850\t306760\t是我現在我如果是2月明年2月我看到簡章我才想說我想要報名的人已經來不及了嘛因為你們是在今年10月31號就截止了嘛所以你會造成90%的遺珠之憾這是我上個會期一直在提醒的結果你們說要改善你們也沒改正了好下一頁\n307740\t332079\t結果主委你看一下這也是你們的簡章113年因為你有要求他提出研究計畫所以你有個研究計畫的評分嘛要佔百分之三十然後研究計畫對國家未來發展的重要性佔百分之十右邊是你們最新的簡章主委請你看一下簡章右邊114年度我劃線部分有沒有研究計畫有沒有研究計畫\n335458\t346961\t有沒有研究計畫還是有還是有研究計畫站幾分主委40分好我們上一頁右邊你的簡章裡面要人家教的資料裡面有沒有研究計畫\n348919\t373092\t沒有,所以很荒謬嘛!你在前面的檢查沒有叫人家交研究計畫下一頁研究計畫佔了40%的分數那如果你是申請的人主委你是申請人你到底是要交研究計畫還是不要交研究計畫而且主委你剛剛自己講的喔為什麼免除研究計畫是因為要讓大家的申請門檻降低\n374578\t389234\t結果實際上你剛剛講的東西完全打裂你之前說的話嘛所以我只舉一個缺失其實這個缺失蠻嚴重因為你會讓申請的人無所適從啊你就知道說你們在辦理這個研究計畫辦理這個獎學金有辦得多麼的隨便\n391596\t405905\t所以我為什麼非常生氣因為很多學生是不買單的嘛我們來看一下這個除了有很多人跟我陳情之外網路上也都很容易看到人家抱怨你這個獎學金在左邊那個是一個成功大學在低卡的學生的發文他說\n407186\t436286\t呃我們你看我們框起來的部分他有打電話給國科會的人去問這個獎學金的事情結果你們國科會的人跟他講說哎呀獎學金這麼多啊也不是只有國科會啊你就提早規劃不會哦學生說那個國會的人讓他感覺是不差你這個啦反正我們只要把預算消化完就好了有沒有達到政策目的沒有差啦然後你看他框出來的部分他說感覺雖然立委質詢過可是國科會就是不重視\n438427\t455723\t而且沒有想要真正的培養優秀研究生然後右邊是國立清華大學在低卡的一個學生的巴文他也講啦他說他一直在研究國科會的這個研究計畫結果名額很少啦看了半天原來是當屆博弈才能申請他也搞不清楚你們的計畫\n456764\t483967\t所以他的署名是什麼呢一路打工兼差苦撐到現在快畢業的一個學生奉勸大家讀博士班要三思你們這個計畫已經讓學生在網路上批評成這樣叫大家不要讀博士班我就問啦這個東西有符合你們政策的目標嗎沒有所以我們要改你上個會期就說要改啦請問一下這個是哪一個處負責的\n486089\t497243\t我們科國處的處長才剛上任所以以後你們就只要換一個主委換一個部長做事就可以重蹈覆轍可以這樣嗎不是我答應你主委你這樣講話我聽不下去啦\n498260\t527007\t那麼多博士生大家都有經濟壓力想要拿那個獎學金你們說要激勵大家要免除大家的經濟壓力結果你的政策反而讓大家在網路上罵聲一片奉勸其他人不要讀博士生然後你講話還前後矛盾說我要免除研究計畫但是後面又有研究計畫這到底是什麼演張啊你會不會降低國科會的公信力這是我們執行的問題所以這一點我們會幫他改善過怎麼改善\n528290\t553202\t就是把它去掉啊不是只有這個問題而已我剛剛講了三個問題第一個你有宣傳嗎宣傳不利宣傳不利那要怎麼宣傳你現在時間來得及剛剛委員提到的包含在臉書國科的這個網站等等都不夠啦但是學校主委你會讓人家以為說好像跟你們國科認識的人才來申請一般人都不曉得嘛\n553982\t570247\t那委員建議什麼低卡嗎?不是你第一個你要分階段來弄這個名額嘛否則的話你這個到了10月底沒有申請的人以後就沒有機會了嘛你要分階段如果我今天是5月我看了簡章我才想要報名的人然後我有經濟壓力的我就沒辦法來申請了啊\n571247\t598077\t這部分原來是因為行政院通過的方案裡面就已經定時了那我會改我會改希望未來你講因為你現在檢証還沒有因為你知道10月31號你跟我講怎麼補救這一次沒有辦法沒有補救那如果他是明年3月還想要報名的一樣的問題啊他就沒有辦法來申請了啊我們有發配給學校的除了那400個是國會申請之外我們給學校有600個名額\n599656\t621187\t我沒有解決我剛剛講的問題,所以我覺得針對問題回答啦,因為你也是學者啦,我們就針對問題回答。但是我們給學校的是學校可以制定辦法。那我現在講的是這400個名額好不好,卓偉。可是你要廢掉這400個嗎?沒有廢掉啊。如果你編的預算有這400個名額,我們就要把這個做到好嘛,不是有做就好,要做到好嘛。我們會把它做好啦。怎麼做?\n622179\t640334\t阿就是把那個因為因為我們照理站起來了我想諸位你應該也是第一次聽到這麼荒謬的計畫你可能需要一點時間消化你什麼時候來我們我們辦公室來說明一下這個計畫因為這個是講博士生很關心人不要開玩笑這是教育的東西耶什麼時候可以改啊我們要改啊好\n646356\t646717\t接下來請楊瓊英委員\n","txt":"主席好,麻煩請國科會主委。好,我們有請吳主委。\n葉委員好吳主委好那個上個會期那個時候還是前一個主委的時候其實我非常關心就是我們博科會博士生獎學金的問題那當時我有提出三個問題那那個前主委也承諾會改善但是我們辦公室一段時間就會接到博士生的陳情電話\n看得出來國歌會完全都沒有想改變的意思我今天就來就教一下到底國歌會是怎麼回事我上個會期我先前期回顧一下上個會期就曾經提到因為你們有提出一個獎學金嘛400個名額主要是激勵型的希望讓那些還沒有決定要讀博士班的學生不要因為經濟的問題讓他卻步所以大概補助三年一個月補助四萬塊鼓勵他們在免除經濟壓力的情況之下來報考博士班\n他有三個問題第一個問題是你們的申請時間以去年來講是在9月15日到10月16日只有一個月的申請時間而且是在10月16日截止換言之如果他是在11月想要讀博士班甚至於等到很多大學的博士班的招生檢章出來之後他看了檢章覺得不錯他想報考\n但他有經濟壓力他就沒有辦法得到國科會這樣的協助也喪失了國科會的這個政策的美意第二件事情是完全宣傳完全不足因為很多人不知道這個計畫當時只有不好意思我在跟主委詢答可以不要干擾主委嗎主席你剛剛不是才有講過嗎我先暫停一下好不好\n好我想直接再暫停一下那我想其實大家想要協助主委不過真的要尊重一下我們在質詢的委員好不好不然等一下我問什麼主委也不知道啊以前就發生過這個狀況啊主委要注意一下好不好各位同仁拜託大家不要心急然後第二個問題就是宣傳不足很多人根本不知道這個計畫然後等到知道之後已經來不及了所以導致於好像很多有巷子內的人知道這個計畫第二個宣傳不足第三個是在學學生被排除因為他之前不曉得這個計畫\n到學校之後發現怎麼有這個計畫發現不能申請了因為他已經入學了所以很多人反而再次跑去考一次博士班取得新生資格來申請這個計畫上個會期就已經提到這三個問題了結果這幾個月我們還是不斷的接到博士生的陳情講同一件事這三個問題完全沒有改善第一\n主委你們這一次申請時間一樣是在今年的10月1號到10月31號還是只有一個月時間換言之等到申請到10月31號截止之後想要讀博士班但是有經濟壓力的研究生他就沒有辦法來申請了嘛\n二月三月看到博士生簡章想要報告就沒有辦法來申請阿第二宣傳一樣不足阿連一場記者會都沒有召開我剛剛還去google我怕誤會你們阿我去google國科會博士班蔣全晶一則新聞都沒有關於現在你正在宣傳的計畫一則新聞都沒有我剛剛還去看你的臉書臉書也完全沒有宣傳\n所以我不知道說你這個是辦給誰辦給國科會的子弟嗎還是辦給只有認識國科會的人那上個會期跟我們講說會加強跟學校聯絡我去問了狀況很多學校的老師跟學生還是不知道這個計畫啊所以你到底是宣傳給誰然後再來再來就是在學生一樣一樣是被排除所以上個會期前主委承諾的要改善的每一件事情都沒有改善\n然後再來我們來看一下你們最新的這個檢章檢章我覺得也是很奇怪這剛剛我有講過資格就是你們就是申請到10月31號下一頁然後要送怎麼件呢以去年來講你們是有除了申請表之外還有研究計畫書還有一些其他審查資料那今年是把研究計畫書把它去掉只有申請書跟其他審查資料我先問一下主委今年為什麼把研究計畫書把它取消\n就是讓更多學生更容易升錢啊但是你沒有宣傳啊所以你的意思是說把研究計畫書拿掉是降低他的門檻嗎讓學生在準備的時候因為委員有提到說他一入學就要升錢他可能還沒有研究計畫啊不是一入學又要升錢\n是我現在我如果是2月明年2月我看到簡章我才想說我想要報名的人已經來不及了嘛因為你們是在今年10月31號就截止了嘛所以你會造成90%的遺珠之憾這是我上個會期一直在提醒的結果你們說要改善你們也沒改正了好下一頁\n結果主委你看一下這也是你們的簡章113年因為你有要求他提出研究計畫所以你有個研究計畫的評分嘛要佔百分之三十然後研究計畫對國家未來發展的重要性佔百分之十右邊是你們最新的簡章主委請你看一下簡章右邊114年度我劃線部分有沒有研究計畫有沒有研究計畫\n有沒有研究計畫還是有還是有研究計畫站幾分主委40分好我們上一頁右邊你的簡章裡面要人家教的資料裡面有沒有研究計畫\n沒有,所以很荒謬嘛!你在前面的檢查沒有叫人家交研究計畫下一頁研究計畫佔了40%的分數那如果你是申請的人主委你是申請人你到底是要交研究計畫還是不要交研究計畫而且主委你剛剛自己講的喔為什麼免除研究計畫是因為要讓大家的申請門檻降低\n結果實際上你剛剛講的東西完全打裂你之前說的話嘛所以我只舉一個缺失其實這個缺失蠻嚴重因為你會讓申請的人無所適從啊你就知道說你們在辦理這個研究計畫辦理這個獎學金有辦得多麼的隨便\n所以我為什麼非常生氣因為很多學生是不買單的嘛我們來看一下這個除了有很多人跟我陳情之外網路上也都很容易看到人家抱怨你這個獎學金在左邊那個是一個成功大學在低卡的學生的發文他說\n呃我們你看我們框起來的部分他有打電話給國科會的人去問這個獎學金的事情結果你們國科會的人跟他講說哎呀獎學金這麼多啊也不是只有國科會啊你就提早規劃不會哦學生說那個國會的人讓他感覺是不差你這個啦反正我們只要把預算消化完就好了有沒有達到政策目的沒有差啦然後你看他框出來的部分他說感覺雖然立委質詢過可是國科會就是不重視\n而且沒有想要真正的培養優秀研究生然後右邊是國立清華大學在低卡的一個學生的巴文他也講啦他說他一直在研究國科會的這個研究計畫結果名額很少啦看了半天原來是當屆博弈才能申請他也搞不清楚你們的計畫\n所以他的署名是什麼呢一路打工兼差苦撐到現在快畢業的一個學生奉勸大家讀博士班要三思你們這個計畫已經讓學生在網路上批評成這樣叫大家不要讀博士班我就問啦這個東西有符合你們政策的目標嗎沒有所以我們要改你上個會期就說要改啦請問一下這個是哪一個處負責的\n我們科國處的處長才剛上任所以以後你們就只要換一個主委換一個部長做事就可以重蹈覆轍可以這樣嗎不是我答應你主委你這樣講話我聽不下去啦\n那麼多博士生大家都有經濟壓力想要拿那個獎學金你們說要激勵大家要免除大家的經濟壓力結果你的政策反而讓大家在網路上罵聲一片奉勸其他人不要讀博士生然後你講話還前後矛盾說我要免除研究計畫但是後面又有研究計畫這到底是什麼演張啊你會不會降低國科會的公信力這是我們執行的問題所以這一點我們會幫他改善過怎麼改善\n就是把它去掉啊不是只有這個問題而已我剛剛講了三個問題第一個你有宣傳嗎宣傳不利宣傳不利那要怎麼宣傳你現在時間來得及剛剛委員提到的包含在臉書國科的這個網站等等都不夠啦但是學校主委你會讓人家以為說好像跟你們國科認識的人才來申請一般人都不曉得嘛\n那委員建議什麼低卡嗎?不是你第一個你要分階段來弄這個名額嘛否則的話你這個到了10月底沒有申請的人以後就沒有機會了嘛你要分階段如果我今天是5月我看了簡章我才想要報名的人然後我有經濟壓力的我就沒辦法來申請了啊\n這部分原來是因為行政院通過的方案裡面就已經定時了那我會改我會改希望未來你講因為你現在檢証還沒有因為你知道10月31號你跟我講怎麼補救這一次沒有辦法沒有補救那如果他是明年3月還想要報名的一樣的問題啊他就沒有辦法來申請了啊我們有發配給學校的除了那400個是國會申請之外我們給學校有600個名額\n我沒有解決我剛剛講的問題,所以我覺得針對問題回答啦,因為你也是學者啦,我們就針對問題回答。但是我們給學校的是學校可以制定辦法。那我現在講的是這400個名額好不好,卓偉。可是你要廢掉這400個嗎?沒有廢掉啊。如果你編的預算有這400個名額,我們就要把這個做到好嘛,不是有做就好,要做到好嘛。我們會把它做好啦。怎麼做?\n阿就是把那個因為因為我們照理站起來了我想諸位你應該也是第一次聽到這麼荒謬的計畫你可能需要一點時間消化你什麼時候來我們我們辦公室來說明一下這個計畫因為這個是講博士生很關心人不要開玩笑這是教育的東西耶什麼時候可以改啊我們要改啊好\n接下來請楊瓊英委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.054 --> 00:07.096\n主席好,麻煩請國科會主委。好,我們有請吳主委。\n\n00:25.174 --> 00:42.830\n葉委員好吳主委好那個上個會期那個時候還是前一個主委的時候其實我非常關心就是我們博科會博士生獎學金的問題那當時我有提出三個問題那那個前主委也承諾會改善但是我們辦公室一段時間就會接到博士生的陳情電話\n\n00:44.091 --> 01:12.097\n看得出來國歌會完全都沒有想改變的意思我今天就來就教一下到底國歌會是怎麼回事我上個會期我先前期回顧一下上個會期就曾經提到因為你們有提出一個獎學金嘛400個名額主要是激勵型的希望讓那些還沒有決定要讀博士班的學生不要因為經濟的問題讓他卻步所以大概補助三年一個月補助四萬塊鼓勵他們在免除經濟壓力的情況之下來報考博士班\n\n01:12.917 --> 01:34.338\n他有三個問題第一個問題是你們的申請時間以去年來講是在9月15日到10月16日只有一個月的申請時間而且是在10月16日截止換言之如果他是在11月想要讀博士班甚至於等到很多大學的博士班的招生檢章出來之後他看了檢章覺得不錯他想報考\n\n01:35.765 --> 02:00.323\n但他有經濟壓力他就沒有辦法得到國科會這樣的協助也喪失了國科會的這個政策的美意第二件事情是完全宣傳完全不足因為很多人不知道這個計畫當時只有不好意思我在跟主委詢答可以不要干擾主委嗎主席你剛剛不是才有講過嗎我先暫停一下好不好\n\n02:01.547 --> 02:28.855\n好我想直接再暫停一下那我想其實大家想要協助主委不過真的要尊重一下我們在質詢的委員好不好不然等一下我問什麼主委也不知道啊以前就發生過這個狀況啊主委要注意一下好不好各位同仁拜託大家不要心急然後第二個問題就是宣傳不足很多人根本不知道這個計畫然後等到知道之後已經來不及了所以導致於好像很多有巷子內的人知道這個計畫第二個宣傳不足第三個是在學學生被排除因為他之前不曉得這個計畫\n\n02:29.835 --> 02:52.752\n到學校之後發現怎麼有這個計畫發現不能申請了因為他已經入學了所以很多人反而再次跑去考一次博士班取得新生資格來申請這個計畫上個會期就已經提到這三個問題了結果這幾個月我們還是不斷的接到博士生的陳情講同一件事這三個問題完全沒有改善第一\n\n02:53.613 --> 03:11.512\n主委你們這一次申請時間一樣是在今年的10月1號到10月31號還是只有一個月時間換言之等到申請到10月31號截止之後想要讀博士班但是有經濟壓力的研究生他就沒有辦法來申請了嘛\n\n03:12.709 --> 03:34.240\n二月三月看到博士生簡章想要報告就沒有辦法來申請阿第二宣傳一樣不足阿連一場記者會都沒有召開我剛剛還去google我怕誤會你們阿我去google國科會博士班蔣全晶一則新聞都沒有關於現在你正在宣傳的計畫一則新聞都沒有我剛剛還去看你的臉書臉書也完全沒有宣傳\n\n03:35.080 --> 04:00.702\n所以我不知道說你這個是辦給誰辦給國科會的子弟嗎還是辦給只有認識國科會的人那上個會期跟我們講說會加強跟學校聯絡我去問了狀況很多學校的老師跟學生還是不知道這個計畫啊所以你到底是宣傳給誰然後再來再來就是在學生一樣一樣是被排除所以上個會期前主委承諾的要改善的每一件事情都沒有改善\n\n04:01.423 --> 04:29.420\n然後再來我們來看一下你們最新的這個檢章檢章我覺得也是很奇怪這剛剛我有講過資格就是你們就是申請到10月31號下一頁然後要送怎麼件呢以去年來講你們是有除了申請表之外還有研究計畫書還有一些其他審查資料那今年是把研究計畫書把它去掉只有申請書跟其他審查資料我先問一下主委今年為什麼把研究計畫書把它取消\n\n04:30.216 --> 04:48.569\n就是讓更多學生更容易升錢啊但是你沒有宣傳啊所以你的意思是說把研究計畫書拿掉是降低他的門檻嗎讓學生在準備的時候因為委員有提到說他一入學就要升錢他可能還沒有研究計畫啊不是一入學又要升錢\n\n04:49.850 --> 05:06.760\n是我現在我如果是2月明年2月我看到簡章我才想說我想要報名的人已經來不及了嘛因為你們是在今年10月31號就截止了嘛所以你會造成90%的遺珠之憾這是我上個會期一直在提醒的結果你們說要改善你們也沒改正了好下一頁\n\n05:07.740 --> 05:32.079\n結果主委你看一下這也是你們的簡章113年因為你有要求他提出研究計畫所以你有個研究計畫的評分嘛要佔百分之三十然後研究計畫對國家未來發展的重要性佔百分之十右邊是你們最新的簡章主委請你看一下簡章右邊114年度我劃線部分有沒有研究計畫有沒有研究計畫\n\n05:35.458 --> 05:46.961\n有沒有研究計畫還是有還是有研究計畫站幾分主委40分好我們上一頁右邊你的簡章裡面要人家教的資料裡面有沒有研究計畫\n\n05:48.919 --> 06:13.092\n沒有,所以很荒謬嘛!你在前面的檢查沒有叫人家交研究計畫下一頁研究計畫佔了40%的分數那如果你是申請的人主委你是申請人你到底是要交研究計畫還是不要交研究計畫而且主委你剛剛自己講的喔為什麼免除研究計畫是因為要讓大家的申請門檻降低\n\n06:14.578 --> 06:29.234\n結果實際上你剛剛講的東西完全打裂你之前說的話嘛所以我只舉一個缺失其實這個缺失蠻嚴重因為你會讓申請的人無所適從啊你就知道說你們在辦理這個研究計畫辦理這個獎學金有辦得多麼的隨便\n\n06:31.596 --> 06:45.905\n所以我為什麼非常生氣因為很多學生是不買單的嘛我們來看一下這個除了有很多人跟我陳情之外網路上也都很容易看到人家抱怨你這個獎學金在左邊那個是一個成功大學在低卡的學生的發文他說\n\n06:47.186 --> 07:16.286\n呃我們你看我們框起來的部分他有打電話給國科會的人去問這個獎學金的事情結果你們國科會的人跟他講說哎呀獎學金這麼多啊也不是只有國科會啊你就提早規劃不會哦學生說那個國會的人讓他感覺是不差你這個啦反正我們只要把預算消化完就好了有沒有達到政策目的沒有差啦然後你看他框出來的部分他說感覺雖然立委質詢過可是國科會就是不重視\n\n07:18.427 --> 07:35.723\n而且沒有想要真正的培養優秀研究生然後右邊是國立清華大學在低卡的一個學生的巴文他也講啦他說他一直在研究國科會的這個研究計畫結果名額很少啦看了半天原來是當屆博弈才能申請他也搞不清楚你們的計畫\n\n07:36.764 --> 08:03.967\n所以他的署名是什麼呢一路打工兼差苦撐到現在快畢業的一個學生奉勸大家讀博士班要三思你們這個計畫已經讓學生在網路上批評成這樣叫大家不要讀博士班我就問啦這個東西有符合你們政策的目標嗎沒有所以我們要改你上個會期就說要改啦請問一下這個是哪一個處負責的\n\n08:06.089 --> 08:17.243\n我們科國處的處長才剛上任所以以後你們就只要換一個主委換一個部長做事就可以重蹈覆轍可以這樣嗎不是我答應你主委你這樣講話我聽不下去啦\n\n08:18.260 --> 08:47.007\n那麼多博士生大家都有經濟壓力想要拿那個獎學金你們說要激勵大家要免除大家的經濟壓力結果你的政策反而讓大家在網路上罵聲一片奉勸其他人不要讀博士生然後你講話還前後矛盾說我要免除研究計畫但是後面又有研究計畫這到底是什麼演張啊你會不會降低國科會的公信力這是我們執行的問題所以這一點我們會幫他改善過怎麼改善\n\n08:48.290 --> 09:13.202\n就是把它去掉啊不是只有這個問題而已我剛剛講了三個問題第一個你有宣傳嗎宣傳不利宣傳不利那要怎麼宣傳你現在時間來得及剛剛委員提到的包含在臉書國科的這個網站等等都不夠啦但是學校主委你會讓人家以為說好像跟你們國科認識的人才來申請一般人都不曉得嘛\n\n09:13.982 --> 09:30.247\n那委員建議什麼低卡嗎?不是你第一個你要分階段來弄這個名額嘛否則的話你這個到了10月底沒有申請的人以後就沒有機會了嘛你要分階段如果我今天是5月我看了簡章我才想要報名的人然後我有經濟壓力的我就沒辦法來申請了啊\n\n09:31.247 --> 09:58.077\n這部分原來是因為行政院通過的方案裡面就已經定時了那我會改我會改希望未來你講因為你現在檢証還沒有因為你知道10月31號你跟我講怎麼補救這一次沒有辦法沒有補救那如果他是明年3月還想要報名的一樣的問題啊他就沒有辦法來申請了啊我們有發配給學校的除了那400個是國會申請之外我們給學校有600個名額\n\n09:59.656 --> 10:21.187\n我沒有解決我剛剛講的問題,所以我覺得針對問題回答啦,因為你也是學者啦,我們就針對問題回答。但是我們給學校的是學校可以制定辦法。那我現在講的是這400個名額好不好,卓偉。可是你要廢掉這400個嗎?沒有廢掉啊。如果你編的預算有這400個名額,我們就要把這個做到好嘛,不是有做就好,要做到好嘛。我們會把它做好啦。怎麼做?\n\n10:22.179 --> 10:40.334\n阿就是把那個因為因為我們照理站起來了我想諸位你應該也是第一次聽到這麼荒謬的計畫你可能需要一點時間消化你什麼時候來我們我們辦公室來說明一下這個計畫因為這個是講博士生很關心人不要開玩笑這是教育的東西耶什麼時候可以改啊我們要改啊好\n\n10:46.356 --> 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11:25:20","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。\n【10月7日及9日二天一次會】）","id":155309,"gazette":{"lineno":679,"blocks":[["葉委員元之：（11時14分）主席好。麻煩請國科會主委。"],["主席：有請吳主委。"],["吳主任委員誠文：葉委員好。"],["葉委員元之：吳主委好。上個會期、那個時候還是前一個主委，我就非常關心國科會博士生獎學金的問題，當時我有提出3個問題，前主委也承諾會改善，但是我們的辦公室每隔一段時間就會接到博士生的陳情電話，看得出來國科會完全都沒有想要改變的意思，我今天就來就教一下，到底國科會是怎麼回事？","我先前情回顧一下，上個會期就曾經提到，因為你們有提出一個400個名額的獎學金嘛！主要是激勵型的，希望讓那些還沒有決定要讀博士班的學生，不要因為經濟的問題而卻步，所以大概是補助3年，一個月補助4萬元，鼓勵他們在免除經濟壓力的情況之下來報考博士班。","它有3個問題，第一個問題是，你們的申請時間以去年來講是在9月15日到10月16日，只有一個月的申請時間，而且是在10月16日截止，換言之，如果他是在11月想要讀博士班，甚至於等到很多大學的博士班招生簡章出來之後，他看了簡章覺得不錯想要報考，但是他也有經濟的壓力，他就沒有辦法得到國科會這樣的協助，也讓國科會這個政策喪失了美意。","第二件事情是宣傳完全不足，因為很多人根本不知道這個計畫，不好意思！我在跟主委詢答，可以不要干擾主委嗎？主席，你剛剛不是才講過，時間暫停一下，好不好？"],["主席：時間暫停一下，我想大家想要協助主委，不過真的要尊重一下質詢的委員，好不好？"],["葉委員元之：不然等一下我問什麼，主委不知道，以前就發生過這個狀況。"],["主席：主委注意一下好不好？各位同仁，拜託大家不要心急。"],["葉委員元之：然後第二個問題就是宣傳不足，很多人根本不知道這個計畫，等到知道之後已經來不及了，導致好像只有巷子內的人知道這個計畫。第三個是在學學生被排除，因為他之前不曉得這個計畫，到了學校之後發現有這個計畫，結果他卻不能申請，因為他已經入學了，所以很多人又再去考一次博士班，取得新生資格來申請這個計畫。上個會期我就已經提到這3個問題，結果這幾個月我們還是不斷的接到博士生的陳情在講同樣一件事，這3個問題完全沒有改善。","第一，主委，你們這次申請的時間一樣是在今年的10月1日到10月31日，還是只有一個月的時間。換言之，等到10月31日截止之後，想要讀博士班，但是有經濟壓力的研究生就沒有辦法來申請了，如果他是2月、3月看到博士生簡章後想要報考，他就沒有辦法可以來申請。","第二，宣傳一樣不足，連一場記者會都沒有召開，我剛剛還去google，我怕誤會你們，我還去google國科會博士班獎學金，結果一則新聞都沒有，就是有關你們現在在宣傳的這個計畫，一則新聞都沒有。我剛剛還去看你們的臉書，你們的臉書也完全沒有宣傳，所以我不知道你們這是辦給誰的？是辦給國科會的子弟嗎？還是只有辦給認識國科會的人？上個會期你們跟我們說會加強跟學校連絡，我去問了相關的狀況，但很多學校的老師和學生還是不知道這個計畫啊！所以你到底是宣傳給誰？","再來是在學生一樣被排除，上個會期前主委承諾要改善的，每一件事情都沒有改善。然後，再來我們來看一下你們最新的簡章，我覺得這個簡章也是很奇怪，我剛剛也有講過，你們的申請時間是到10月31日，下一頁，然後要送什麼件呢？以去年來講，除了申請表之外，還有研究計畫書和其他審查資料，今年是把研究計畫書去掉，只有申請書跟其他審查資料。我先問一下主委，今年為什麼要把研究計畫書取消？"],["吳主任委員誠文：就是要讓更多學生更容易申請。"],["葉委員元之：但是你沒有宣傳啊！好，所以你的意思是說，把研究計畫書拿掉是降低它的門檻，讓學生在準備的時候……"],["吳主任委員誠文：因為委員有提到他一入學就要申請，他可能還沒有研究計畫。"],["葉委員元之：不是一入學就要申請，是如果明年2月才看到簡章想要報名的人已經來不及了嘛！因為你們今年10月31日就截止了，所以你會造成90%的遺珠之憾，這是我上個會期一直在提醒的，結果你們說要改善，但是你們也沒有改正，下一頁。","主委，你看一下，這也是你們的簡章，113年因為你有要求他要提出研究計畫，所以你有一個研究計畫的評分、占30%，然後研究計畫對國家未來發展重要性占10%。右邊是你們最新的簡章，主委，請你看一下簡章，右邊、114年度，我劃線的部分有沒有研究計畫？"],["吳主任委員誠文：這個還是有啊！"],["葉委員元之：有沒有研究計畫？有沒有研究計畫？"],["吳主任委員誠文：還是有。"],["葉委員元之：還是有研究計畫，占幾分？主委。"],["吳主任委員誠文：40。"],["葉委員元之：40分。好，我們看上一頁，右邊你的簡章裡面要人家交的資料裡面，有沒有研究計畫？沒有。"],["吳主任委員誠文：現在併在申請書裡面。"],["葉委員元之：所以很荒謬嘛。你在前面的簡章沒有叫人家交研究計畫，下一頁研究計畫占了40%的分數，那如果你是申請人，主委，你是申請人，你到底是要交研究計畫還是不要交研究計畫？而且主委，你剛剛自己講的喔，為什麼免除研究計畫？是因為要讓大家的申請門檻降低，結果實際上你剛剛講的東西完全打臉你之前說的話嘛。我只舉一個缺失，其實這個缺失滿嚴重的，因為你會讓申請的人無所適從啊。你就知道說，你們在辦理這個研究計畫，辦理這個獎學金，辦得多麼的隨便，所以我為什麼非常生氣？因為很多學生是不買單的嘛。我們來看一下這個，除了有很多人跟我陳情之外，網路上也都很容易看到人家抱怨你這個獎學金，像左邊那個是一個成功大學學生在Dcard發文，你看我們框起來的部分，他說，他有打電話給國科會的人去問這個獎學金的事情，結果你們國科會的人跟他講說：「唉呀！獎學金這麼多，也不是只有國科會啊，你就提早規劃，不會喔！」學生說，那個國科會的人讓他感覺是「不差你這一個啦，反正我們只要把預算消化完就好了，有沒有達到政策目的沒有差啦」。然後你看框出來的部分，他說感覺雖然立委質詢過，可是國科會就是不重視，而且沒有想要真正地培養非常優秀的研究生。然後右邊是國立清華大學的一個學生在Dcard的發文，他也講，他一直在研究國科會的這個研究計畫，結果名額很少，看了半天，原來是當屆博一才能申請，他也搞不清楚你們的計畫，所以他的署名是什麼呢？「一路打工兼差苦撐到現在快畢業的一個學生，奉勸大家讀博士班要三思」。你們這個計畫已經讓學生在網路上批評成這樣，叫大家不要讀博士班。我就問啊，這個東西有符合你們政策的目標嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：沒有。"],["葉委員元之：沒有？"],["吳主任委員誠文：所以我們要改。"],["葉委員元之：你上個會期就說要改啊。請問一下，這個是哪一個處負責的？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們科國處的處長才剛上任。"],["葉委員元之：所以以後你們就只要換一個主委，換一個部長，做事就可以重蹈覆轍，可以這樣嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：不是，我答應你……"],["葉委員元之：主委，你這樣講話，我聽不下去啦！那麼多博士生，大家都有經濟壓力，想要拿那個獎學金，你們說要激勵大家，要免除大家的經濟壓力，結果你的政策反而讓大家在網路上罵聲一片，奉勸其他人不要讀博士生，然後你講話還前後矛盾，說要免除研究計畫，但是這個後面又有研究計畫，這到底是什麼簡章啊？你會不會降低國科會的公信力？"],["吳主任委員誠文：這是我們執行的問題啦。所以這一點我們會把它改善。"],["葉委員元之：怎麼改善？"],["吳主任委員誠文：就是把它去掉啊。"],["葉委員元之：不是只有這個問題而已，我剛剛講的三個問題，第一個，你有宣傳嗎？你們有宣傳嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：宣傳不力，宣傳不力。"],["葉委員元之：那要怎麼宣傳？現在時間還來得及。"],["吳主任委員誠文：剛剛委員提到的，包含在臉書、國科會的網站等等……"],["葉委員元之：都不夠啦。"],["吳主任委員誠文：但是學校……"],["葉委員元之：主委，你會讓人家以為說，好像跟你們國科會認識的人才能來申請，一般人都不曉得嘛。"],["吳主任委員誠文：那委員建議什麼？Dcard嗎？還是……"],["葉委員元之：第一個，你要分階段來弄這個名額嘛，否則的話，到了10月底沒有申請的人，以後就沒有機會了嘛，你要分階段。如果今天是5月，看了簡章才想要報名的人，又有經濟壓力的，就沒辦法來申請了。"],["吳主任委員誠文：這一部分原來是因為行政院通過的方案裡面就已經定死了，那我會改，我會改，希望未來……"],["葉委員元之：你跟我講你怎麼補救？"],["吳主任委員誠文：這一次沒有辦法。"],["葉委員元之：沒有補救，那如果是明年3月才想要報名的人，一樣的問題，他就沒有辦法來申請了。"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們有發配給學校的，除了那400個是國科會甄選之外，我們給學校的有600個名額。"],["葉委員元之：有沒有解決我剛剛講的問題？主委，針對問題回答，因為你也是學者，就針對問題回答。"],["吳主任委員誠文：但是我們給學校的是學校可以自訂辦法。"],["葉委員元之：我現在講的是這400個名額，好不好？主委。難道你要廢掉400個嗎？如果你編的預算有這400個名額，我們就要把這個做到好嘛，不是有做就好，要做到好嘛！"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們會把它做好啦。"],["葉委員元之：怎麼做？"],["吳主任委員誠文：就是把那個……"],["葉委員元之：因為我們召委站起來了，我想主委，你應該也是第一次聽到這麼荒謬的計畫，你可能需要一點時間消化，你什麼時候來我們辦公室來說明一下這個計畫？因為這個是博士生很關心的，你不要開玩笑，這是教育的東西耶。"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們要改啊，3個月可以嗎？"],["葉委員元之：3個月？什麼3個月？"],["吳主任委員誠文：不是，今年已經來不及了。"],["葉委員元之：不是，上個會期就提醒你們了嘛。"],["吳主任委員誠文：是啊，但我們今年……"],["葉委員元之：不行啦！主委，兩個禮拜你先來講怎麼修正，好不好？"],["吳主任委員誠文：好好好好。"],["葉委員元之：好不好？"],["吳主任委員誠文：好。"],["葉委員元之：好，謝謝。"],["吳主任委員誠文：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席（葛委員如鈞代）：好，謝謝葉元之委員質詢，官員請回座。","接下來請楊瓊瓔委員質詢。楊瓊瓔委員，楊瓊瓔委員不在。","接下來請吳春城委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":428,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-3","speakers":["萬美玲","林倩綺","洪孟楷","柯志恩","陳培瑜","張雅琳","陳秀寳","林宜瑾","郭昱晴","范雲","吳沛憶","葛如鈞","葉元之","吳春城","王定宇","鍾佳濱","羅廷瑋","羅智強","陳冠廷","張嘉郡","邱志偉"],"page_start":375,"meetingDate":["2024-10-09"],"gazette_id":"1138101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138101_00012"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138101_00017"}}}