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00:02:10,230\n有的連農地都拿來種電甚至還是在生態濕地上面蓋太陽冷板那我想要請教主委退伍會對於農場土地開發現在有沒有什麼防避措施呢還是要如何確保你們修這個法會不會讓退伍會在未來也會牽扯到這些弊案呢\n\n8\n00:02:20,503 --> 00:02:42,961\n報告委員我先跟您報告首先我們農場種田在山高山農場我們是不種田的剛剛黃委員問的時候我們有這樣答覆事實上也不會在山高山農場種田因為他們是國內非常重要的觀光資源那目前為止我們就在彰化農場種田大概有17公頃在種田16處地方這些地方都是溝渠、賽場\n\n9\n00:02:45,023 --> 00:02:45,203\n李卓人議員\n\n10\n00:02:55,836 --> 00:03:15,249\n我們不允許我們的委員戶來直接參與重電所以這個是最主要防備我們擔心是假委員增重電的方式你要申請跟我們委員農場那我們絕對不會允許這個方面拿來重電而且每一個案子都是我們會裡面親自審查的這個這點請委員放心\n\n11\n00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:42,111\n好那你們有沒有辦法就是說退我有沒有辦法在這個企業中要求業者一定要僱用一定比例的退出役官兵呢?這樣是不是可以增加退出役官兵的就業的機會呢?因為這種事情我覺得是應該要努力而且要努力達成因為這個要保障退出役官兵的工作權而且現在退出要利用這個手上的籌碼盡量可以幫忙我們退出役官兵爭取待遇比較好的工作\n\n12\n00:03:43,331 --> 00:04:12,338\n主委你覺得是嗎?應該,我們不管是農場或者是事業單位我們都鼓勵退出役官兵來就業所以這是我們安置的一個目的,最重要的目的之一好,那我想要再請教主委一個問題就是因為本席跟花蓮地區的環保及戶數的團體都非常關心的問題那就是有關現在為我們花蓮有臺東農場管理的松原別館相違外馬因為光光的景氣都熄燈了,所以造成\n\n13\n00:04:13,958 --> 00:04:14,939\n請問退伍會有沒有什麼樣的維護的計畫呢?\n\n14\n00:04:35,345 --> 00:05:00,982\n委員好我們的松原別管因為受到疫情跟地震的影響颱風的影響我們統計到今年的8月份它的遊客數衰退65%所以廠商經營不下去了那經營不下去是我們在休園期間事實上我們跟廠商達成協議就是裡面的設施包括我們的珍貴的松樹他都要負責維管了我們農場又派人去花蓮分廠派人去維管\n\n15\n00:05:01,902 --> 00:05:23,240\n目前為止我們在10月7號的時候也重新招標出去的這裡面很大的一個議題我們跟廠商的合作意向就是要尊貴老松樹的照顧所以請委員放心所以你們已經找到新的營運團隊10月要進駐松原別館了是不是對現在在整修大概明年的1月就開始營運了\n\n16\n00:05:24,404 --> 00:05:31,046\n所以已經找到了希望可以活化花東這些的資源所以希望能夠幫助花東觀光產業我接下來首先要恭喜北榮還有中榮還有高榮三家醫學中心都獲選2025年全球的智慧醫院的排名我現在繼續關心詢問的就是有關花東地區有三家臺北榮總的分院\n\n17\n00:05:52,971 --> 00:06:02,714\n預理鳳林還有臺東三個分院那主委我想請教一下就是對於花東地區的民眾常常反映有關醫師資源的醫療量能不足的問題那請問退伍會及臺北榮總還有對於輔導及資源花東三院目前有沒有什麼進展還是有沒有什麼成果呢跟委員報告花東三院主要是北榮負責的那麼臺北榮總資源花東三院\n\n18\n00:06:19,099 --> 00:06:47,828\n一百一十二年他三個月分別是十三然後到了一百一十三年之後他變成八十一所以他資源的量是擴充的那他的整次也是從八十八到一百三十四顯著的增加那目前現職的人數是玉女鳳林他是各兩位但是資源的人數玉女增加到三十四位之多所以相關的一些經濟的措施因為北紅院長今天剛好又來我請他跟您做詳細的報告\n\n19\n00:06:49,729 --> 00:07:14,250\n報告的召委,我們有三個分院在那裡,其實我從花蓮出來,我在花蓮待過下鄉兩年,有特殊的情感,所以他們的狀況我非常的清楚,我一直在鼓勵醫院優秀的同仁盡量到花東去,照顧他們健康,不過因為受0403的地震,0725的凱敏颱風的確受到一些影響,不過現在已經派了一個很棒的副院長過去,\n\n20\n00:07:15,111 --> 00:07:15,592\n主任委員會主席\n\n21\n00:07:35,132 --> 00:07:43,556\n因為現在也知道常常就是零四零三地震之後那個交通都斷了所以東部的醫療還有東部的職員這些真的是需要那個退伍會來重視的還有根據我的了解外服佈置111年有一個原住民及離島地區的醫事人員公費生養成的計劃是111年到115年原本規劃\n\n22\n00:07:58,322 --> 00:08:15,516\n未來5年每年有3名的醫學系的公費生後來考量因為金門縣的未來的醫療照顧人力的需求所以在他第5期的計畫中在增加10名金門縣的醫學系的公費醫生培育的名額那我想要請教主委\n\n23\n00:08:15,856 --> 00:08:21,460\n就是我們花蓮、臺東這地區雖然不是離島啦但是也是屬於原住民的地區偏遠的地區那今年都歷經了0403然後又凱米風災然後再加上最近的山陀火風災全部這樣幾乎路都斷了造成花蓮對外的交通幾乎中斷都快變成孤島了請問一下在你們退伍會的榮總體系下尤其是臺北榮總在花東地區還有玉鳳\n\n24\n00:08:43,657 --> 00:09:02,294\n臺三分院長期面臨的醫師人員的不足根據內政部今年的2月第6週的統計通報各縣市原住民的人口以花蓮有9.3萬人最多表示我們花蓮地區原住民的人數那麼多那你們要如何主動努力有沒有什麼作為呢\n\n25\n00:09:03,735 --> 00:09:23,576\n有沒有什麼計劃還是你們是不是要向行政院和衛福部爭取推動由臺北榮總訓練增加培育公費的醫生到花東服務的名額因為這樣我們可以推動花東醫生的在地化而且以充實花東地區的基層及偏鄉地區的醫師人力\n\n26\n00:09:28,121 --> 00:09:49,415\n報告委員在地深耕是最重要的事情那其實金門醫療也是臺北榮總在負責那現在金寶生的成效已經出來現在金寶生回去回鄉服務的人變多了所以資源變少了金寶生他為了作用所以剛才森委員也提出這個問題我們就大膽的向衛福部會提出請求\n\n27\n00:09:49,795 --> 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00:10:43,201\n謝謝各位謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n130\t954\t主席有請營主委\n11944\t24688\t主委好我剛剛看了業務報告裡面第19頁有提到退輔會至110年開始有一個新興向榮的計畫負責培育友誼從事榮業的退除役官兵那請問主委30個人結訓13個人從榮這樣是110年到現在的統計還是今年度的統計呢\n33052\t60152\t目前是41個人目前新增將要到41個人那41個人這裡面有兩成將近20個人是從農的那這裡的資料是110年事辦所以是110年到現在就對了嘛對不對而如果是三年內就是只有這樣的退出役官兵開始勿農這樣的話是不是這個數字還是有很大的努力空間我們盡量去輔導去宣導\n62677\t78893\t所以希望退伍會在訓練退出役官兵從事農業上還是需要更費心更努力然後接下來想要請教主委一下就是你們退伍會旗下的農場土地面積非常的廣大但閒置的土地到目前為止你們清查了有多少土地閒置狀況嗎\n82540\t98770\t委員好我是事業管理處處長其實我們現在農場的土地沒有閒置的狀況都在委外經營大概有2000多公頃其他現在沒有委外經營的土地除了自營以外都是公共設施的用地或機關的用地\n99090\t101431\t所以現在就是都沒有閒置的狀況就對了那你們修訂了一個叫做所屬農場管理經營的辦法第3條加入退伍會所屬的農場經營的綠電條款這個等於退伍會農場可以處分或利用閒置的土地這樣開了一扇大門那這個光電開發的利益其實就很龐大了我們都知道過去幾年光電開發其實是弊案連連\n122800\t130230\t有的連農地都拿來種電甚至還是在生態濕地上面蓋太陽冷板那我想要請教主委退伍會對於農場土地開發現在有沒有什麼防避措施呢還是要如何確保你們修這個法會不會讓退伍會在未來也會牽扯到這些弊案呢\n140503\t162961\t報告委員我先跟您報告首先我們農場種田在山高山農場我們是不種田的剛剛黃委員問的時候我們有這樣答覆事實上也不會在山高山農場種田因為他們是國內非常重要的觀光資源那目前為止我們就在彰化農場種田大概有17公頃在種田16處地方這些地方都是溝渠、賽場\n165023\t165203\t李卓人議員\n175836\t195249\t我們不允許我們的委員戶來直接參與重電所以這個是最主要防備我們擔心是假委員增重電的方式你要申請跟我們委員農場那我們絕對不會允許這個方面拿來重電而且每一個案子都是我們會裡面親自審查的這個這點請委員放心\n197830\t222111\t好那你們有沒有辦法就是說退我有沒有辦法在這個企業中要求業者一定要僱用一定比例的退出役官兵呢?這樣是不是可以增加退出役官兵的就業的機會呢?因為這種事情我覺得是應該要努力而且要努力達成因為這個要保障退出役官兵的工作權而且現在退出要利用這個手上的籌碼盡量可以幫忙我們退出役官兵爭取待遇比較好的工作\n223331\t252338\t主委你覺得是嗎?應該,我們不管是農場或者是事業單位我們都鼓勵退出役官兵來就業所以這是我們安置的一個目的,最重要的目的之一好,那我想要再請教主委一個問題就是因為本席跟花蓮地區的環保及戶數的團體都非常關心的問題那就是有關現在為我們花蓮有臺東農場管理的松原別館相違外馬因為光光的景氣都熄燈了,所以造成\n253958\t254939\t請問退伍會有沒有什麼樣的維護的計畫呢?\n275345\t300982\t委員好 我們的松原別管因為受到疫情跟地震的影響 颱風的影響我們統計到今年的8月份它的遊客數衰退65%所以廠商經營不下去了那經營不下去是我們在休園期間事實上我們跟廠商達成協議就是裡面的設施包括我們的珍貴的松樹他都要負責維管了我們農場又派人去花蓮分廠派人去維管\n301902\t323240\t目前為止我們在10月7號的時候也重新招標出去的這裡面很大的一個議題我們跟廠商的合作意向就是要尊貴老松樹的照顧所以請委員放心所以你們已經找到新的營運團隊10月要進駐松原別館了是不是對 現在在整修大概明年的1月就開始營運了\n324404\t331046\t所以已經找到了希望可以活化花東這些的資源所以希望能夠幫助花東觀光產業我接下來首先要恭喜北榮還有中榮還有高榮三家醫學中心都獲選2025年全球的智慧醫院的排名我現在繼續關心詢問的就是有關花東地區有三家臺北榮總的分院\n352971\t362714\t預理鳳林還有臺東三個分院那主委我想請教一下就是對於花東地區的民眾常常反映有關醫師資源的醫療量能不足的問題那請問退伍會及臺北榮總還有對於輔導及資源花東三院目前有沒有什麼進展還是有沒有什麼成果呢跟委員報告花東三院主要是北榮負責的那麼臺北榮總資源花東三院\n379099\t407828\t一百一十二年他三個月分別是十三然後到了一百一十三年之後他變成八十一所以他資源的量是擴充的那他的整次也是從八十八到一百三十四顯著的增加那目前現職的人數是玉女鳳林他是各兩位但是資源的人數玉女增加到三十四位之多所以相關的一些經濟的措施因為北紅院長今天剛好又來我請他跟您做詳細的報告\n409729\t434250\t報告的召委,我們有三個分院在那裡,其實我從花蓮出來,我在花蓮待過下鄉兩年,有特殊的情感,所以他們的狀況我非常的清楚,我一直在鼓勵醫院優秀的同仁盡量到花東去,照顧他們健康,不過因為受0403的地震,0725的凱敏颱風的確受到一些影響,不過現在已經派了一個很棒的副院長過去,\n435111\t435592\t主任委員會主席\n455132\t463556\t因為現在也知道常常就是零四零三地震之後那個交通都斷了所以東部的醫療還有東部的職員這些真的是需要那個退伍會來重視的還有根據我的了解外服佈置111年有一個原住民及離島地區的醫事人員公費生養成的計劃是111年到115年原本規劃\n478322\t495516\t未來5年每年有3名的醫學系的公費生後來考量因為金門縣的未來的醫療照顧人力的需求所以在他第5期的計畫中在增加10名金門縣的醫學系的公費醫生培育的名額那我想要請教主委\n495856\t501460\t就是我們花蓮、臺東這地區雖然不是離島啦但是也是屬於原住民的地區偏遠的地區那今年都歷經了0403然後又凱米風災然後再加上最近的山陀火風災全部這樣幾乎路都斷了造成花蓮對外的交通幾乎中斷都快變成孤島了請問一下在你們退伍會的榮總體系下尤其是臺北榮總在花東地區還有玉鳳\n523657\t542294\t臺三分院長期面臨的醫師人員的不足根據內政部今年的2月第6週的統計通報各縣市原住民的人口以花蓮有9.3萬人最多表示我們花蓮地區原住民的人數那麼多那你們要如何主動努力有沒有什麼作為呢\n543735\t563576\t有沒有什麼計劃還是你們是不是要向行政院和衛福部爭取推動由臺北榮總訓練增加培育公費的醫生到花東服務的名額因為這樣我們可以推動花東醫生的在地化而且以充實花東地區的基層及偏鄉地區的醫師人力\n568121\t589415\t報告委員在地深耕是最重要的事情那其實金門醫療也是臺北榮總在負責那現在金寶生的成效已經出來現在金寶生回去回鄉服務的人變多了所以資源變少了金寶生他為了作用所以剛才森委員也提出這個問題我們就大膽的向衛福部會提出請求\n589795\t617101\t如果能花寶生、冬寶生這個是可以長期培養更多的公廢生我本身也是公廢生這個對花冬會有很大的幫助短暫的資源、滾水那個是沒有辦法去生根那我們如果可以有生根的計畫這個是對我們花冬會有很大的注意所以我們會朝這條路也跟衛福部來溝通朝這條路來幫助花冬的我們的病人\n617421\t642220\t好那這樣的話可能就要朝這個方向去努力因為之前有來辦公室報告過也是說現在交通的方面就是有時候路就斷了本來是要去支援的醫生本來準備要去的還是已經去的一天又要回來他根本沒有辦法回來所以我當初也是有建議說那是不是支援醫生要說在那邊就是三個月呢還是一個月呢還是因為大部分的醫病關係都是\n643081\t643201\t謝謝各位謝謝\n","txt":"主席有請營主委\n主委好我剛剛看了業務報告裡面第19頁有提到退輔會至110年開始有一個新興向榮的計畫負責培育友誼從事榮業的退除役官兵那請問主委30個人結訓13個人從榮這樣是110年到現在的統計還是今年度的統計呢\n目前是41個人目前新增將要到41個人那41個人這裡面有兩成將近20個人是從農的那這裡的資料是110年事辦所以是110年到現在就對了嘛對不對而如果是三年內就是只有這樣的退出役官兵開始勿農這樣的話是不是這個數字還是有很大的努力空間我們盡量去輔導去宣導\n所以希望退伍會在訓練退出役官兵從事農業上還是需要更費心更努力然後接下來想要請教主委一下就是你們退伍會旗下的農場土地面積非常的廣大但閒置的土地到目前為止你們清查了有多少土地閒置狀況嗎\n委員好我是事業管理處處長其實我們現在農場的土地沒有閒置的狀況都在委外經營大概有2000多公頃其他現在沒有委外經營的土地除了自營以外都是公共設施的用地或機關的用地\n所以現在就是都沒有閒置的狀況就對了那你們修訂了一個叫做所屬農場管理經營的辦法第3條加入退伍會所屬的農場經營的綠電條款這個等於退伍會農場可以處分或利用閒置的土地這樣開了一扇大門那這個光電開發的利益其實就很龐大了我們都知道過去幾年光電開發其實是弊案連連\n有的連農地都拿來種電甚至還是在生態濕地上面蓋太陽冷板那我想要請教主委退伍會對於農場土地開發現在有沒有什麼防避措施呢還是要如何確保你們修這個法會不會讓退伍會在未來也會牽扯到這些弊案呢\n報告委員我先跟您報告首先我們農場種田在山高山農場我們是不種田的剛剛黃委員問的時候我們有這樣答覆事實上也不會在山高山農場種田因為他們是國內非常重要的觀光資源那目前為止我們就在彰化農場種田大概有17公頃在種田16處地方這些地方都是溝渠、賽場\n李卓人議員\n我們不允許我們的委員戶來直接參與重電所以這個是最主要防備我們擔心是假委員增重電的方式你要申請跟我們委員農場那我們絕對不會允許這個方面拿來重電而且每一個案子都是我們會裡面親自審查的這個這點請委員放心\n好那你們有沒有辦法就是說退我有沒有辦法在這個企業中要求業者一定要僱用一定比例的退出役官兵呢?這樣是不是可以增加退出役官兵的就業的機會呢?因為這種事情我覺得是應該要努力而且要努力達成因為這個要保障退出役官兵的工作權而且現在退出要利用這個手上的籌碼盡量可以幫忙我們退出役官兵爭取待遇比較好的工作\n主委你覺得是嗎?應該,我們不管是農場或者是事業單位我們都鼓勵退出役官兵來就業所以這是我們安置的一個目的,最重要的目的之一好,那我想要再請教主委一個問題就是因為本席跟花蓮地區的環保及戶數的團體都非常關心的問題那就是有關現在為我們花蓮有臺東農場管理的松原別館相違外馬因為光光的景氣都熄燈了,所以造成\n請問退伍會有沒有什麼樣的維護的計畫呢?\n委員好 我們的松原別管因為受到疫情跟地震的影響 颱風的影響我們統計到今年的8月份它的遊客數衰退65%所以廠商經營不下去了那經營不下去是我們在休園期間事實上我們跟廠商達成協議就是裡面的設施包括我們的珍貴的松樹他都要負責維管了我們農場又派人去花蓮分廠派人去維管\n目前為止我們在10月7號的時候也重新招標出去的這裡面很大的一個議題我們跟廠商的合作意向就是要尊貴老松樹的照顧所以請委員放心所以你們已經找到新的營運團隊10月要進駐松原別館了是不是對 現在在整修大概明年的1月就開始營運了\n所以已經找到了希望可以活化花東這些的資源所以希望能夠幫助花東觀光產業我接下來首先要恭喜北榮還有中榮還有高榮三家醫學中心都獲選2025年全球的智慧醫院的排名我現在繼續關心詢問的就是有關花東地區有三家臺北榮總的分院\n預理鳳林還有臺東三個分院那主委我想請教一下就是對於花東地區的民眾常常反映有關醫師資源的醫療量能不足的問題那請問退伍會及臺北榮總還有對於輔導及資源花東三院目前有沒有什麼進展還是有沒有什麼成果呢跟委員報告花東三院主要是北榮負責的那麼臺北榮總資源花東三院\n一百一十二年他三個月分別是十三然後到了一百一十三年之後他變成八十一所以他資源的量是擴充的那他的整次也是從八十八到一百三十四顯著的增加那目前現職的人數是玉女鳳林他是各兩位但是資源的人數玉女增加到三十四位之多所以相關的一些經濟的措施因為北紅院長今天剛好又來我請他跟您做詳細的報告\n報告的召委,我們有三個分院在那裡,其實我從花蓮出來,我在花蓮待過下鄉兩年,有特殊的情感,所以他們的狀況我非常的清楚,我一直在鼓勵醫院優秀的同仁盡量到花東去,照顧他們健康,不過因為受0403的地震,0725的凱敏颱風的確受到一些影響,不過現在已經派了一個很棒的副院長過去,\n主任委員會主席\n因為現在也知道常常就是零四零三地震之後那個交通都斷了所以東部的醫療還有東部的職員這些真的是需要那個退伍會來重視的還有根據我的了解外服佈置111年有一個原住民及離島地區的醫事人員公費生養成的計劃是111年到115年原本規劃\n未來5年每年有3名的醫學系的公費生後來考量因為金門縣的未來的醫療照顧人力的需求所以在他第5期的計畫中在增加10名金門縣的醫學系的公費醫生培育的名額那我想要請教主委\n就是我們花蓮、臺東這地區雖然不是離島啦但是也是屬於原住民的地區偏遠的地區那今年都歷經了0403然後又凱米風災然後再加上最近的山陀火風災全部這樣幾乎路都斷了造成花蓮對外的交通幾乎中斷都快變成孤島了請問一下在你們退伍會的榮總體系下尤其是臺北榮總在花東地區還有玉鳳\n臺三分院長期面臨的醫師人員的不足根據內政部今年的2月第6週的統計通報各縣市原住民的人口以花蓮有9.3萬人最多表示我們花蓮地區原住民的人數那麼多那你們要如何主動努力有沒有什麼作為呢\n有沒有什麼計劃還是你們是不是要向行政院和衛福部爭取推動由臺北榮總訓練增加培育公費的醫生到花東服務的名額因為這樣我們可以推動花東醫生的在地化而且以充實花東地區的基層及偏鄉地區的醫師人力\n報告委員在地深耕是最重要的事情那其實金門醫療也是臺北榮總在負責那現在金寶生的成效已經出來現在金寶生回去回鄉服務的人變多了所以資源變少了金寶生他為了作用所以剛才森委員也提出這個問題我們就大膽的向衛福部會提出請求\n如果能花寶生、冬寶生這個是可以長期培養更多的公廢生我本身也是公廢生這個對花冬會有很大的幫助短暫的資源、滾水那個是沒有辦法去生根那我們如果可以有生根的計畫這個是對我們花冬會有很大的注意所以我們會朝這條路也跟衛福部來溝通朝這條路來幫助花冬的我們的病人\n好那這樣的話可能就要朝這個方向去努力因為之前有來辦公室報告過也是說現在交通的方面就是有時候路就斷了本來是要去支援的醫生本來準備要去的還是已經去的一天又要回來他根本沒有辦法回來所以我當初也是有建議說那是不是支援醫生要說在那邊就是三個月呢還是一個月呢還是因為大部分的醫病關係都是\n謝謝各位謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.130 --> 00:00.954\n主席有請營主委\n\n00:11.944 --> 00:24.688\n主委好我剛剛看了業務報告裡面第19頁有提到退輔會至110年開始有一個新興向榮的計畫負責培育友誼從事榮業的退除役官兵那請問主委30個人結訓13個人從榮這樣是110年到現在的統計還是今年度的統計呢\n\n00:33.052 --> 01:00.152\n目前是41個人目前新增將要到41個人那41個人這裡面有兩成將近20個人是從農的那這裡的資料是110年事辦所以是110年到現在就對了嘛對不對而如果是三年內就是只有這樣的退出役官兵開始勿農這樣的話是不是這個數字還是有很大的努力空間我們盡量去輔導去宣導\n\n01:02.677 --> 01:18.893\n所以希望退伍會在訓練退出役官兵從事農業上還是需要更費心更努力然後接下來想要請教主委一下就是你們退伍會旗下的農場土地面積非常的廣大但閒置的土地到目前為止你們清查了有多少土地閒置狀況嗎\n\n01:22.540 --> 01:38.770\n委員好我是事業管理處處長其實我們現在農場的土地沒有閒置的狀況都在委外經營大概有2000多公頃其他現在沒有委外經營的土地除了自營以外都是公共設施的用地或機關的用地\n\n01:39.090 --> 01:41.431\n所以現在就是都沒有閒置的狀況就對了那你們修訂了一個叫做所屬農場管理經營的辦法第3條加入退伍會所屬的農場經營的綠電條款這個等於退伍會農場可以處分或利用閒置的土地這樣開了一扇大門那這個光電開發的利益其實就很龐大了我們都知道過去幾年光電開發其實是弊案連連\n\n02:02.800 --> 02:10.230\n有的連農地都拿來種電甚至還是在生態濕地上面蓋太陽冷板那我想要請教主委退伍會對於農場土地開發現在有沒有什麼防避措施呢還是要如何確保你們修這個法會不會讓退伍會在未來也會牽扯到這些弊案呢\n\n02:20.503 --> 02:42.961\n報告委員我先跟您報告首先我們農場種田在山高山農場我們是不種田的剛剛黃委員問的時候我們有這樣答覆事實上也不會在山高山農場種田因為他們是國內非常重要的觀光資源那目前為止我們就在彰化農場種田大概有17公頃在種田16處地方這些地方都是溝渠、賽場\n\n02:45.023 --> 02:45.203\n李卓人議員\n\n02:55.836 --> 03:15.249\n我們不允許我們的委員戶來直接參與重電所以這個是最主要防備我們擔心是假委員增重電的方式你要申請跟我們委員農場那我們絕對不會允許這個方面拿來重電而且每一個案子都是我們會裡面親自審查的這個這點請委員放心\n\n03:17.830 --> 03:42.111\n好那你們有沒有辦法就是說退我有沒有辦法在這個企業中要求業者一定要僱用一定比例的退出役官兵呢?這樣是不是可以增加退出役官兵的就業的機會呢?因為這種事情我覺得是應該要努力而且要努力達成因為這個要保障退出役官兵的工作權而且現在退出要利用這個手上的籌碼盡量可以幫忙我們退出役官兵爭取待遇比較好的工作\n\n03:43.331 --> 04:12.338\n主委你覺得是嗎?應該,我們不管是農場或者是事業單位我們都鼓勵退出役官兵來就業所以這是我們安置的一個目的,最重要的目的之一好,那我想要再請教主委一個問題就是因為本席跟花蓮地區的環保及戶數的團體都非常關心的問題那就是有關現在為我們花蓮有臺東農場管理的松原別館相違外馬因為光光的景氣都熄燈了,所以造成\n\n04:13.958 --> 04:14.939\n請問退伍會有沒有什麼樣的維護的計畫呢?\n\n04:35.345 --> 05:00.982\n委員好我們的松原別管因為受到疫情跟地震的影響颱風的影響我們統計到今年的8月份它的遊客數衰退65%所以廠商經營不下去了那經營不下去是我們在休園期間事實上我們跟廠商達成協議就是裡面的設施包括我們的珍貴的松樹他都要負責維管了我們農場又派人去花蓮分廠派人去維管\n\n05:01.902 --> 05:23.240\n目前為止我們在10月7號的時候也重新招標出去的這裡面很大的一個議題我們跟廠商的合作意向就是要尊貴老松樹的照顧所以請委員放心所以你們已經找到新的營運團隊10月要進駐松原別館了是不是對現在在整修大概明年的1月就開始營運了\n\n05:24.404 --> 05:31.046\n所以已經找到了希望可以活化花東這些的資源所以希望能夠幫助花東觀光產業我接下來首先要恭喜北榮還有中榮還有高榮三家醫學中心都獲選2025年全球的智慧醫院的排名我現在繼續關心詢問的就是有關花東地區有三家臺北榮總的分院\n\n05:52.971 --> 06:02.714\n預理鳳林還有臺東三個分院那主委我想請教一下就是對於花東地區的民眾常常反映有關醫師資源的醫療量能不足的問題那請問退伍會及臺北榮總還有對於輔導及資源花東三院目前有沒有什麼進展還是有沒有什麼成果呢跟委員報告花東三院主要是北榮負責的那麼臺北榮總資源花東三院\n\n06:19.099 --> 06:47.828\n一百一十二年他三個月分別是十三然後到了一百一十三年之後他變成八十一所以他資源的量是擴充的那他的整次也是從八十八到一百三十四顯著的增加那目前現職的人數是玉女鳳林他是各兩位但是資源的人數玉女增加到三十四位之多所以相關的一些經濟的措施因為北紅院長今天剛好又來我請他跟您做詳細的報告\n\n06:49.729 --> 07:14.250\n報告的召委,我們有三個分院在那裡,其實我從花蓮出來,我在花蓮待過下鄉兩年,有特殊的情感,所以他們的狀況我非常的清楚,我一直在鼓勵醫院優秀的同仁盡量到花東去,照顧他們健康,不過因為受0403的地震,0725的凱敏颱風的確受到一些影響,不過現在已經派了一個很棒的副院長過去,\n\n07:15.111 --> 07:15.592\n主任委員會主席\n\n07:35.132 --> 07:43.556\n因為現在也知道常常就是零四零三地震之後那個交通都斷了所以東部的醫療還有東部的職員這些真的是需要那個退伍會來重視的還有根據我的了解外服佈置111年有一個原住民及離島地區的醫事人員公費生養成的計劃是111年到115年原本規劃\n\n07:58.322 --> 08:15.516\n未來5年每年有3名的醫學系的公費生後來考量因為金門縣的未來的醫療照顧人力的需求所以在他第5期的計畫中在增加10名金門縣的醫學系的公費醫生培育的名額那我想要請教主委\n\n08:15.856 --> 08:21.460\n就是我們花蓮、臺東這地區雖然不是離島啦但是也是屬於原住民的地區偏遠的地區那今年都歷經了0403然後又凱米風災然後再加上最近的山陀火風災全部這樣幾乎路都斷了造成花蓮對外的交通幾乎中斷都快變成孤島了請問一下在你們退伍會的榮總體系下尤其是臺北榮總在花東地區還有玉鳳\n\n08:43.657 --> 09:02.294\n臺三分院長期面臨的醫師人員的不足根據內政部今年的2月第6週的統計通報各縣市原住民的人口以花蓮有9.3萬人最多表示我們花蓮地區原住民的人數那麼多那你們要如何主動努力有沒有什麼作為呢\n\n09:03.735 --> 09:23.576\n有沒有什麼計劃還是你們是不是要向行政院和衛福部爭取推動由臺北榮總訓練增加培育公費的醫生到花東服務的名額因為這樣我們可以推動花東醫生的在地化而且以充實花東地區的基層及偏鄉地區的醫師人力\n\n09:28.121 --> 09:49.415\n報告委員在地深耕是最重要的事情那其實金門醫療也是臺北榮總在負責那現在金寶生的成效已經出來現在金寶生回去回鄉服務的人變多了所以資源變少了金寶生他為了作用所以剛才森委員也提出這個問題我們就大膽的向衛福部會提出請求\n\n09:49.795 --> 10:17.101\n如果能花寶生、冬寶生這個是可以長期培養更多的公廢生我本身也是公廢生這個對花冬會有很大的幫助短暫的資源、滾水那個是沒有辦法去生根那我們如果可以有生根的計畫這個是對我們花冬會有很大的注意所以我們會朝這條路也跟衛福部來溝通朝這條路來幫助花冬的我們的病人\n\n10:17.421 --> 10:42.220\n好那這樣的話可能就要朝這個方向去努力因為之前有來辦公室報告過也是說現在交通的方面就是有時候路就斷了本來是要去支援的醫生本來準備要去的還是已經去的一天又要回來他根本沒有辦法回來所以我當初也是有建議說那是不是支援醫生要說在那邊就是三個月呢還是一個月呢還是因為大部分的醫病關係都是\n\n10:43.081 --> 10:43.201\n謝謝各位謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.13,"end":0.954,"text":"主席有請營主委"},{"start":11.944,"end":24.688,"text":"主委好我剛剛看了業務報告裡面第19頁有提到退輔會至110年開始有一個新興向榮的計畫負責培育友誼從事榮業的退除役官兵那請問主委30個人結訓13個人從榮這樣是110年到現在的統計還是今年度的統計呢"},{"start":33.052,"end":60.152,"text":"目前是41個人目前新增將要到41個人那41個人這裡面有兩成將近20個人是從農的那這裡的資料是110年事辦所以是110年到現在就對了嘛對不對而如果是三年內就是只有這樣的退出役官兵開始勿農這樣的話是不是這個數字還是有很大的努力空間我們盡量去輔導去宣導"},{"start":62.677,"end":78.893,"text":"所以希望退伍會在訓練退出役官兵從事農業上還是需要更費心更努力然後接下來想要請教主委一下就是你們退伍會旗下的農場土地面積非常的廣大但閒置的土地到目前為止你們清查了有多少土地閒置狀況嗎"},{"start":82.54,"end":98.77,"text":"委員好我是事業管理處處長其實我們現在農場的土地沒有閒置的狀況都在委外經營大概有2000多公頃其他現在沒有委外經營的土地除了自營以外都是公共設施的用地或機關的用地"},{"start":99.09,"end":101.431,"text":"所以現在就是都沒有閒置的狀況就對了那你們修訂了一個叫做所屬農場管理經營的辦法第3條加入退伍會所屬的農場經營的綠電條款這個等於退伍會農場可以處分或利用閒置的土地這樣開了一扇大門那這個光電開發的利益其實就很龐大了我們都知道過去幾年光電開發其實是弊案連連"},{"start":122.8,"end":130.23,"text":"有的連農地都拿來種電甚至還是在生態濕地上面蓋太陽冷板那我想要請教主委退伍會對於農場土地開發現在有沒有什麼防避措施呢還是要如何確保你們修這個法會不會讓退伍會在未來也會牽扯到這些弊案呢"},{"start":140.503,"end":162.961,"text":"報告委員我先跟您報告首先我們農場種田在山高山農場我們是不種田的剛剛黃委員問的時候我們有這樣答覆事實上也不會在山高山農場種田因為他們是國內非常重要的觀光資源那目前為止我們就在彰化農場種田大概有17公頃在種田16處地方這些地方都是溝渠、賽場"},{"start":165.023,"end":165.203,"text":"李卓人議員"},{"start":175.836,"end":195.249,"text":"我們不允許我們的委員戶來直接參與重電所以這個是最主要防備我們擔心是假委員增重電的方式你要申請跟我們委員農場那我們絕對不會允許這個方面拿來重電而且每一個案子都是我們會裡面親自審查的這個這點請委員放心"},{"start":197.83,"end":222.111,"text":"好那你們有沒有辦法就是說退我有沒有辦法在這個企業中要求業者一定要僱用一定比例的退出役官兵呢?這樣是不是可以增加退出役官兵的就業的機會呢?因為這種事情我覺得是應該要努力而且要努力達成因為這個要保障退出役官兵的工作權而且現在退出要利用這個手上的籌碼盡量可以幫忙我們退出役官兵爭取待遇比較好的工作"},{"start":223.331,"end":252.338,"text":"主委你覺得是嗎?應該,我們不管是農場或者是事業單位我們都鼓勵退出役官兵來就業所以這是我們安置的一個目的,最重要的目的之一好,那我想要再請教主委一個問題就是因為本席跟花蓮地區的環保及戶數的團體都非常關心的問題那就是有關現在為我們花蓮有臺東農場管理的松原別館相違外馬因為光光的景氣都熄燈了,所以造成"},{"start":253.958,"end":254.939,"text":"請問退伍會有沒有什麼樣的維護的計畫呢?"},{"start":275.345,"end":300.982,"text":"委員好 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