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00:01:33,043\n說我們的國語做比例比較高但是你說在我們的客委會所推動的社群平台像YouTube、IG我看觀看的人數也不多\n\n6\n00:01:34,444 --> 00:01:48,820\n那是不是因為現在已經科技時代是不是可以用AI的翻譯這樣年輕人吸引年輕人我看這個比例應該還會再提高一點是不是請指揮來做說明\n\n7\n00:01:50,343 --> 00:02:03,460\n感謝吳委員,我個人跟吳委員的說法,就是現在香港人用手機去運用、去收、去放片,所以我們應該要利用手機來跟人家帶業來\n\n8\n00:02:06,764 --> 00:02:11,009\n因此,我們經營經營的有一個內訊：內訊就是行言的術語法：接下來就提到委員講的我們當年大陸有一個翻譯跟合法的翻譯的內訊會出來：從日調都在提供本\n\n9\n00:02:26,507 --> 00:02:35,274\n所謂的學生和聖人：其實各方面做的是學習：也在娛樂行業：日常生活：比方說語言：教學：也在創造的內容：做的運用：所以客家的流動：其實二百多年來：日常生活地盤：也跟隱童語言的講法：我們要求也在現代沙非的變化：來做改變\n\n10\n00:02:56,761 --> 00:03:17,737\n好的因為我們說我們現在說中文的人士還是比較多再來就是最大的族群就是我們台灣人台灣人的比例要再來到31.7但是在我們客裏的比例是1.5%這比例還是偏低但是我說過去\n\n11\n00:03:19,318 --> 00:03:45,125\n我都是這樣說你說要求他們去講客語就是我們現在的年齡層差不多60歲以上但是你在年輕的一輩在外面我們跟他們在一起的話很多人在講客家語言所以說這是未來我們要提供你說到底要提供你一定要有誘因包括說你一個客語的認證你認證\n\n12\n00:03:47,646 --> 00:04:08,494\n下來你這認證有什麼作用?有什麼福利?什麼誘因?人家會說想要去扣這認證所以說你要針對這一點,因為好,我們一些社團我來補助你補助你,你要有多少的認證,我們才符合我們的資格\n\n13\n00:04:09,094 --> 00:04:11,258\n二、邀請客家委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n14\n00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:36,624\n是否在誘因的部分我們要去訴求你說補助的部分就是來你這個社團你在推廣你有多少的認證我們就拿這個成績來給予補助\n\n15\n00:04:39,885 --> 00:04:43,328\n感謝委員莫不出乎我們要充足行核度的年齡：還有行核度的條件本屬於人年齡來學習我們努力去想要的辦法想要委員講的誘因\n\n16\n00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:21,627\n好,因為我們針對這個你才有辦法去推廣,不然你說年輕一輩已經流失,是非常嚴重,你也沒辦法,我們常常都在討論,你沒有拿出一個誘因出來是絕對行不通,是不是,拜託及早。好,那我請回,好,那我請我們園民會主委。\n\n17\n00:05:28,653 --> 00:05:54,491\n委員好主委好主委再次的感謝你在我們三峽的客家園區旁邊我們的原住民部落現在已經都定案了但是他這個方面我們的原住民這個園區我們有去會刊但是你要去廣納他這個裡面的建制一定要把它作為完善一點\n\n18\n00:05:55,872 --> 00:06:08,772\n會開放給我們社區的民眾他們都來參與,我們投入這些錢才有用是,也希望這個附近的這個基金也都能夠用得上用得到\n\n19\n00:06:11,146 --> 00:06:25,111\n對,因為那個地方的地理環境是非常符合我們原住民：還有我們一些廣泛的民眾他們來使用,包含我們裡的他們的活動都可以廣納進來\n\n20\n00:06:26,451 --> 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