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00:01:00,664\n主持會議這是忍者跟勇者的精神那我們做所有事情都應該效法這種精神我們跟他表達敬意好不好來那個敬禮敬禮敬禮\n\n4\n00:01:04,639 --> 00:01:22,168\n那個部長我覺得你很辛苦所以等一下你只要回答是或不是就好了讓你休息一下我覺得你很辛苦到現在還沒吃飯那今天這個少子化的問題其實我看了我們所有的報告我看了實在越來越沉重\n\n5\n00:01:23,329 --> 00:01:38,906\n都是補助!補助!補助!哇!我們知道政府這麼有錢啦!這麼多東西都可以補助!社福預算都8300億了,還一直補助喔!然後所以呢,好了這個下一代之意真正少子化的原因就是\n\n6\n00:01:39,687 --> 00:01:40,047\n那現在呢?\n\n7\n00:02:04,608 --> 00:02:29,608\n有什麼解方我也沒有聽到什麼解方不是靠補助能夠解決這個問題的啦現在就撞世代是一個可行的方法把分子撞起來拉下來當分母不是成為一個寄生者依賴者能夠成為生產者消費者把我們的臺灣的底盤撞起來大家才有未來而且世代也會更和諧你現在都講是是是就對了\n\n8\n00:02:31,470 --> 00:02:32,771\n接下來,龐大的高齡浪潮,這個叫銀髮海嘯,800萬人85%\n\n9\n00:02:51,607 --> 00:03:09,465\n我們不能我們要避免人口土石流啦大家都崩壞都臥床啦所以必須要發展這個雙軌制有照護性跟發展性的這種政策壯士代就是一個發展性的政策那部長這個贊不贊成這樣的是非常支持非常支持好謝謝\n\n10\n00:03:11,247 --> 00:03:32,119\n所以我們要把銀髮海嘯變成國家發展的動力,這個不是只有衛福部的事情,你知道我看著所有的部會把高齡的事情都丟給衛福部,大家都不習慣,所有的部會高齡的預算都不到1%,我今天早上還執行國科會的五種,他說科技不能為特定人服務,\n\n11\n00:03:32,819 --> 00:03:56,008\n我說高齡人是特定人,他沒有高齡的政策。我說這個現在高齡者占人口三分之一咧,三分之一叫特定人喔,所以他們腦袋都沒有轉過來啦。就覺得老人都打人都面啦,不用教育不用文化不用科技不用數位打人都面啦。啊大家紛紛倒下來都要推給衛福部啦。你千萬不要一肩扛起好不好。\n\n12\n00:03:57,365 --> 00:04:11,991\n這個事情就不要一肩扛起你了你不要像跟訴詔一樣只要是衛生福利部就在扛起我們一肩扛起你不要隨便一肩扛起那扛起大家都要推給你好不好推給你這事情不認得這是未來台灣為一半人口的事情全方位的事情齁\n\n13\n00:04:12,791 --> 00:04:37,717\n所以這裡其實我提了一個壯士在裡面有一個象限就是其實我們可以發展長壽經濟這經濟部也要做然後包括活化三分之二資產在他們手上要活化資產還有包括勞動部解放勞動力然後才有辦法好好的照顧我們這一些弱勢的社福是在平權所以讓我再念一下其實這個我只要請問對於貢獻行這裡請問部長同不同意\n\n14\n00:04:40,598 --> 00:05:07,786\n政府應積極推動輔助壯世代產業發展並結合財稅及金融制度、土地及建屋的活用提供壯世代產業發展政策,培植新壯及產業鏈,促進長壽經濟的發展。部長同不同意?非常同意。非常同意,謝謝。再請問部長同不同意政府應建立壯世代的新形象,藉由可以的機制尊重維護世代共存共榮的新文化並積極建立相關的文化產業,同不同意?這是一個國家應該做的。謝謝部長。\n\n15\n00:05:09,847 --> 00:05:31,628\n再來就針對活躍性的解放勞動力這裏請部長同不同意應該積極地推動中央世代的就業建立合以媒合及培訓機制在尊重及反歧視原則下創造中央世代適性就業環境並積極推動彈性工作高利用向職場的指標及退休準備如此可以有助於補充勞動市場所需勞動力與人才部長同不同意\n\n16\n00:05:32,248 --> 00:05:36,913\n好再來就安穩型的活化資產請部長同步同意藉由資產的活化帶動經濟產業的發展\n\n17\n00:05:50,365 --> 00:06:19,114\n是否應建立超高齡社會金融行動方案與指標提供相關的金融商品或投資的鼓勵措施建構壯士代金融生態系並同時積極地提供壯士代普及公正的金融教育強化金融的勢能促進財富公平與安全部長同不同意?同意同意喔謝謝再請問部長同不同意政府應促成公私部門與學術機構的合作促進壯士代研究資源的運用並成立或指定壯士代生活需求\n\n18\n00:06:19,694 --> 00:06:23,895\n政府應與大學合作整合相關的教育資源培訓機構及團體協助建立以形塑良好的環境\n\n19\n00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:59,016\n宣傳推廣袁孟吉滿足第三男生需求的理念普及終身學習之目的的壯世代教育同不同意這是很好的事情好謝謝部長再請問部長同不同意政府應該協助壯世代積極的參與數位社會創造數位平權環境以使壯世代智慧資產有效的貢獻社會同不同意嗯\n\n20\n00:07:00,693 --> 00:07:26,445\n上面所有的問題有一個關鍵就好像我舉個例子我在台大醫院教授如果退休像我是退休我是名義教授那年輕人都叫醫生出去不可以再進來不然我們都沒辦法開啦我們手術房都那個這個是一個很錯誤的觀念就是要老的不退年輕沒機會我的意思就是說他應該扮演什麼角色對在未來整體要思考的所以這個基本上他參與\n\n21\n00:07:28,006 --> 00:07:34,291\n這一個就是明年進入台灣超高齡社會元年我們一起送給全民一個大禮物在82天就進入超高齡社會了然後所以呢這個會期\n\n22\n00:07:52,287 --> 00:08:08,826\n那我們提出了壯世代政策與產業發展促進法部長你剛才幾乎同意了大部分的條文了所以在這個法案我們主審是在衛福部請衛福部的全力支持而且這個是我們這一屆當中唯一一個\n\n23\n00:08:09,667 --> 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我們要避免人口土石流啦 大家都崩壞 都臥床啦所以必須要發展這個雙軌制 有照護性跟發展性的這種政策 壯士代就是一個發展性的政策 那部長這個贊不贊成這樣的 是非常支持非常支持 好 謝謝\n所以我們要把銀髮海嘯變成國家發展的動力,這個不是只有衛福部的事情,你知道我看著所有的部會把高齡的事情都丟給衛福部,大家都不習慣,所有的部會高齡的預算都不到1%,我今天早上還執行國科會的五種,他說科技不能為特定人服務,\n我說高齡人是特定人,他沒有高齡的政策。我說這個現在高齡者占人口三分之一咧,三分之一叫特定人喔,所以他們腦袋都沒有轉過來啦。就覺得老人都打人都面啦,不用教育不用文化不用科技不用數位打人都面啦。啊大家紛紛倒下來都要推給衛福部啦。你千萬不要一肩扛起好不好。\n這個事情就不要一肩扛起你了你不要像跟訴詔一樣只要是衛生福利部就在扛起我們一肩扛起你不要隨便一肩扛起那扛起大家都要推給你好不好推給你這事情不認得這是未來台灣為一半人口的事情全方位的事情齁\n所以這裡其實我提了一個壯士在裡面有一個象限就是其實我們可以發展長壽經濟這經濟部也要做然後包括活化三分之二資產在他們手上要活化資產還有包括勞動部解放勞動力然後才有辦法好好的照顧我們這一些弱勢的社福是在平權所以讓我再念一下其實這個我只要請問對於貢獻行這裡請問部長同不同意\n政府應積極推動輔助壯世代產業發展並結合財稅及金融制度、土地及建屋的活用提供壯世代產業發展政策,培植新壯及產業鏈,促進長壽經濟的發展。部長同不同意?非常同意。非常同意,謝謝。再請問部長同不同意政府應建立壯世代的新形象,藉由可以的機制尊重維護世代共存共榮的新文化並積極建立相關的文化產業,同不同意?這是一個國家應該做的。謝謝部長。\n再來就針對活躍性的解放勞動力這裏請部長同不同意應該積極地推動中央世代的就業建立合以媒合及培訓機制在尊重及反歧視原則下創造中央世代適性就業環境並積極推動彈性工作高利用向職場的指標及退休準備如此可以有助於補充勞動市場所需勞動力與人才部長同不同意\n好再來就安穩型的活化資產請部長同步同意藉由資產的活化帶動經濟產業的發展\n是否應建立超高齡社會金融行動方案與指標提供相關的金融商品或投資的鼓勵措施建構壯士代金融生態系並同時積極地提供壯士代普及公正的金融教育強化金融的勢能促進財富公平與安全部長同不同意?同意同意喔謝謝再請問部長同不同意政府應促成公私部門與學術機構的合作促進壯士代研究資源的運用並成立或指定壯士代生活需求\n政府應與大學合作整合相關的教育資源培訓機構及團體協助建立以形塑良好的環境\n宣傳推廣袁孟吉滿足第三男生需求的理念普及終身學習之目的的壯世代教育同不同意這是很好的事情好謝謝部長再請問部長同不同意政府應該協助壯世代積極的參與數位社會創造數位平權環境以使壯世代智慧資產有效的貢獻社會同不同意嗯\n上面所有的問題有一個關鍵就好像我舉個例子我在台大醫院教授如果退休像我是退休我是名義教授那年輕人都叫醫生出去不可以再進來不然我們都沒辦法開啦我們手術房都那個這個是一個很錯誤的觀念就是要老的不退年輕沒機會我的意思就是說他應該扮演什麼角色對在未來整體要思考的所以這個基本上他參與\n這一個就是明年進入台灣超高齡社會元年我們一起送給全民一個大禮物在82天就進入超高齡社會了然後所以呢這個會期\n那我們提出了壯世代政策與產業發展促進法部長你剛才幾乎同意了大部分的條文了所以在這個法案我們主審是在衛福部請衛福部的全力支持而且這個是我們這一屆當中唯一一個\n謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.061 --> 00:24.053\n邀請那個委副邱部長部長你辛苦了在開始我想邀請你\n\n00:25.440 --> 00:46.058\n一齊跟我們那個昭緯蘇清泉昭緯致敬對於屏東的災情還有醫院的災情表達慰問同時呢這個我們蘇昭緯現在呢不僅一肩扛起所有責任而且還坐在這裡處邊不驚\n\n00:48.551 --> 01:00.664\n主持會議這是忍者跟勇者的精神那我們做所有事情都應該效法這種精神我們跟他表達敬意好不好來那個敬禮敬禮敬禮\n\n01:04.639 --> 01:22.168\n那個部長我覺得你很辛苦所以等一下你只要回答是或不是就好了讓你休息一下我覺得你很辛苦到現在還沒吃飯那今天這個少子化的問題其實我看了我們所有的報告我看了實在越來越沉重\n\n01:23.329 --> 01:38.906\n都是補助!補助!補助!哇!我們知道政府這麼有錢啦!這麼多東西都可以補助!社福預算都8300億了,還一直補助喔!然後所以呢,好了這個下一代之意真正少子化的原因就是\n\n01:39.687 --> 01:40.047\n那現在呢?\n\n02:04.608 --> 02:29.608\n有什麼解方我也沒有聽到什麼解方不是靠補助能夠解決這個問題的啦現在就撞世代是一個可行的方法把分子撞起來拉下來當分母不是成為一個寄生者依賴者能夠成為生產者消費者把我們的臺灣的底盤撞起來大家才有未來而且世代也會更和諧你現在都講是是是就對了\n\n02:31.470 --> 02:32.771\n接下來,龐大的高齡浪潮,這個叫銀髮海嘯,800萬人85%\n\n02:51.607 --> 03:09.465\n我們不能我們要避免人口土石流啦大家都崩壞都臥床啦所以必須要發展這個雙軌制有照護性跟發展性的這種政策壯士代就是一個發展性的政策那部長這個贊不贊成這樣的是非常支持非常支持好謝謝\n\n03:11.247 --> 03:32.119\n所以我們要把銀髮海嘯變成國家發展的動力,這個不是只有衛福部的事情,你知道我看著所有的部會把高齡的事情都丟給衛福部,大家都不習慣,所有的部會高齡的預算都不到1%,我今天早上還執行國科會的五種,他說科技不能為特定人服務,\n\n03:32.819 --> 03:56.008\n我說高齡人是特定人,他沒有高齡的政策。我說這個現在高齡者占人口三分之一咧,三分之一叫特定人喔,所以他們腦袋都沒有轉過來啦。就覺得老人都打人都面啦,不用教育不用文化不用科技不用數位打人都面啦。啊大家紛紛倒下來都要推給衛福部啦。你千萬不要一肩扛起好不好。\n\n03:57.365 --> 04:11.991\n這個事情就不要一肩扛起你了你不要像跟訴詔一樣只要是衛生福利部就在扛起我們一肩扛起你不要隨便一肩扛起那扛起大家都要推給你好不好推給你這事情不認得這是未來台灣為一半人口的事情全方位的事情齁\n\n04:12.791 --> 04:37.717\n所以這裡其實我提了一個壯士在裡面有一個象限就是其實我們可以發展長壽經濟這經濟部也要做然後包括活化三分之二資產在他們手上要活化資產還有包括勞動部解放勞動力然後才有辦法好好的照顧我們這一些弱勢的社福是在平權所以讓我再念一下其實這個我只要請問對於貢獻行這裡請問部長同不同意\n\n04:40.598 --> 05:07.786\n政府應積極推動輔助壯世代產業發展並結合財稅及金融制度、土地及建屋的活用提供壯世代產業發展政策,培植新壯及產業鏈,促進長壽經濟的發展。部長同不同意?非常同意。非常同意,謝謝。再請問部長同不同意政府應建立壯世代的新形象,藉由可以的機制尊重維護世代共存共榮的新文化並積極建立相關的文化產業,同不同意?這是一個國家應該做的。謝謝部長。\n\n05:09.847 --> 05:31.628\n再來就針對活躍性的解放勞動力這裏請部長同不同意應該積極地推動中央世代的就業建立合以媒合及培訓機制在尊重及反歧視原則下創造中央世代適性就業環境並積極推動彈性工作高利用向職場的指標及退休準備如此可以有助於補充勞動市場所需勞動力與人才部長同不同意\n\n05:32.248 --> 05:36.913\n好再來就安穩型的活化資產請部長同步同意藉由資產的活化帶動經濟產業的發展\n\n05:50.365 --> 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