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00:00:30,124\n主席謝謝麻煩請邱部長部長好部長今天關注少子化的對策跟成果這個書面報告本席非常認真仔細的把它給看完但是幾個部分我想還是要就教一下您認不認為現在我們台灣的少子化或是新生兒的這個負成長的狀況非常嚴重\n\n2\n00:00:33,667 --> 00:01:01,009\n應該是很重應該?不能講應該,您是主管機關欸0到2歲算是我們衛福部的主要責任欸您知不知道說2023年我們新生兒有多少人?十四十三萬五千沒關係,怕是可以打大聲一點或直接上來部長旁邊好不好我不是考,不是隨堂測驗但是總是最基本的數字要在心裡面嘛是那8月的新生兒有多少位?百萬多\n\n3\n00:01:04,068 --> 00:01:10,355\n1月到8月是8萬5千人換言之過去8個月8萬5千人如果說這樣推估到今年12月底的時候\n\n4\n00:01:24,368 --> 00:01:47,922\n這樣子的一個平均數應該是13萬人以內會比去年還要再少了5000人而今年是龍年我們之前都常常說龍寶寶龍寶寶大家會覺得是說龍年的時候新生兒會比較多但是現在看起來今年只有13萬人甚至可能不到問題嚴不嚴重\n\n5\n00:01:50,106 --> 00:02:16,911\n嚴重嚴重真的嚴重部長剛剛我特別看了一下你的這個報告裡面全部幾乎啦都是補貼補助較多立法院的預算中心這邊有提到少子化對策經費不管是衛福部跟11個部會共同推動總共我們合計編列有高達上千億元主要分三塊兒童教養公托以及友善生養的環境措施\n\n6\n00:02:17,771 --> 00:02:24,147\n部長這三項執行的部分您清不清楚執行率\n\n7\n00:02:28,591 --> 00:02:56,002\n說實在我直接說少子女化的對策我們有分四個方面那第一個0到2歲的前面照顧那這個部分都有在補助跟公托的推設立都有長足的進步那在兒童健康權益保護方面我們也成立了核心的醫院來解決兒童寒難、急然症還有重症的轉印等等的這些還有\n\n8\n00:02:57,122 --> 00:02:59,185\n那其實這三大對策裡面友善生養環境的執行率甚至不到7成\n\n9\n00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,600\n那部長本席只想要確認一下\n\n10\n00:03:43,362 --> 00:04:02,371\n我們花了那麼多的費用我不是講說這些費用不應該花喔如果說花有效的話執行有效的話當然我們應該投入而且少子女化本來就全世界大家都想要努力的目標但請告訴我因為今天的召委他其實的報告內容是成果跟未來規劃\n\n11\n00:04:04,161 --> 00:04:23,433\n那我們只想問一件事我們到今年投入了那麼多的預算衛福部投入那麼多的一個經費的時候但是看起來還是負成長那我們有沒有預期至少我們可以達到什麼樣的成果我們能夠多增加多少的誘因還是說什麼時候我們可以擺脫變成是正成長部長心裡有沒有一個藍圖\n\n12\n00:04:26,874 --> 00:04:51,851\n我想這個牽涉到蠻多的啦,我們那個補助,讓他願意好的環境,讓他願意生,也可以養,可是他是不是在價值觀的問題,今天也有人講嘛,不要結婚等等的這些問題,是不是在整體社會的一個社會的一個文化的一個\n\n13\n00:04:54,219 --> 00:05:07,723\n變遷齁,我們準備來調整,我個人是覺得怎麼樣,就像我跟蘇偉那個時代,我們醫學生齁,有人去娶老婆生孩子,我都覺得那是異例,但是醫學院是特殊檔齁\n\n14\n00:05:18,648 --> 00:05:31,633\n時代在改變價值觀在改變沒有就像以前可能大家會覺得說代求結婚可能大家會覺得說比較羞於告訴別人但現在會覺得是雙喜臨門嘛這點我都理解但我的意思是說我們不能\n\n15\n00:05:32,293 --> 00:05:49,389\n政府部門做事跟一般的民間做事最大不同就是政府部門做事你投入了那麼多的預算你總是會有短期中期長期的一個成效那我們到底什麼時候我們預估成效是多少還是你現在投入那麼多的經費沒有辦法有任何一個目標\n\n16\n00:05:51,176 --> 00:06:18,937\n我知道我的時間有限但我還有另外一個嚴重的問題想要跟您就教在《煙害防治法》裡面在10月7號的時候預告期滿就是禁止添加使用物的部分對不對那總共這一次在兩個月裡面有多回收了一萬兩千多則的意見跟留言那其中大部分我們也都看過了其實最主要加味煙為什麼大家會覺得說它很嚴重就是因為加味煙在很多的學者\n\n17\n00:06:19,377 --> 00:06:22,399\n但是現在我們是從禁止花香果香巧克力等香口味變成禁27種添加物成分\n\n18\n00:06:40,066 --> 00:06:53,018\n那人民眾一般人還是會覺得疑惑到底進27種添加物的成分那就代表第28種第29種未來只要新興的不在這27種裡面的就是可以加了是這樣嗎\n\n19\n00:06:57,615 --> 00:07:16,261\n我們的方向是什麼我們的法條寫的就是禁止中央主管機關公告之添加物是但是這樣就變成你是正面表列你現在27種你如果說之後有28種29種或是其他的你沒有在那裡面的是不是菸商就可以把它加進去那就代表是說你就開了一個後門跟巧門給菸商嗎\n\n20\n00:07:17,711 --> 00:07:32,886\n年來的市總會正面表的也是滾動檢討滾動檢討但是現在大家看到的所有你這次公告兩個月之後所有的意見是不是多數人還是認為是說加味煙他是讓人家有疑慮的而且再者你們公告完之後是給18個月的緩衝期\n\n21\n00:07:42,096 --> 00:07:48,773\n而不是像之前煙害防治法47條行政院公布後一個月就要實施了為什麼還要再給18個月緩衝期\n\n22\n00:07:51,311 --> 00:08:19,363\n因為這些菸品假設它現在已經在市面流通了那你公告禁止它那這些市面流通的我們沒有辦法馬上叫它回收啊為什麼沒有辦法馬上叫它回收因為它本身就是如果說你認為這個東西這個東西我們法令禁止公告了如果說真的認為是說對於我們人體是有危害或是說對於會影響到青少年使用以及讓抽菸年齡不斷下修的話那就代表是說它可能有部分的疑慮\n\n23\n00:08:21,857 --> 00:08:40,137\n部長我特別查了一下我以前有抽菸啦學生時代有抽但現在真的是幾乎沒有但是我要問的是你知不知道菸品的保存期限是多久一包菸最長就一年半一年半18個月\n\n24\n00:08:41,641 --> 00:09:01,818\n所以你公告緩衝期18個月我不禁就認為說你根本就是幫煙商煙商好朋友欸等於是說當我們公告的時候跟你講說緩衝期有18個月剛好你現在市面上最近做出來的煙保存期就18個月所以你就是可以把你現在市面上18個月的煙都賣完那不就是煙商好朋友嗎\n\n25\n00:09:07,179 --> 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03:16.600\n那部長本席只想要確認一下\n\n03:43.362 --> 04:02.371\n我們花了那麼多的費用我不是講說這些費用不應該花喔如果說花有效的話執行有效的話當然我們應該投入而且少子女化本來就全世界大家都想要努力的目標但請告訴我因為今天的召委他其實的報告內容是成果跟未來規劃\n\n04:04.161 --> 04:23.433\n那我們只想問一件事我們到今年投入了那麼多的預算衛福部投入那麼多的一個經費的時候但是看起來還是負成長那我們有沒有預期至少我們可以達到什麼樣的成果我們能夠多增加多少的誘因還是說什麼時候我們可以擺脫變成是正成長部長心裡有沒有一個藍圖\n\n04:26.874 --> 04:51.851\n我想這個牽涉到蠻多的啦,我們那個補助,讓他願意好的環境,讓他願意生,也可以養,可是他是不是在價值觀的問題,今天也有人講嘛,不要結婚等等的這些問題,是不是在整體社會的一個社會的一個文化的一個\n\n04:54.219 --> 05:07.723\n變遷齁,我們準備來調整,我個人是覺得怎麼樣,就像我跟蘇偉那個時代,我們醫學生齁,有人去娶老婆生孩子,我都覺得那是異例,但是醫學院是特殊檔齁\n\n05:18.648 --> 05:31.633\n時代在改變價值觀在改變沒有就像以前可能大家會覺得說代求結婚可能大家會覺得說比較羞於告訴別人但現在會覺得是雙喜臨門嘛這點我都理解但我的意思是說我們不能\n\n05:32.293 --> 05:49.389\n政府部門做事跟一般的民間做事最大不同就是政府部門做事你投入了那麼多的預算你總是會有短期中期長期的一個成效那我們到底什麼時候我們預估成效是多少還是你現在投入那麼多的經費沒有辦法有任何一個目標\n\n05:51.176 --> 06:18.937\n我知道我的時間有限但我還有另外一個嚴重的問題想要跟您就教在《煙害防治法》裡面在10月7號的時候預告期滿就是禁止添加使用物的部分對不對那總共這一次在兩個月裡面有多回收了一萬兩千多則的意見跟留言那其中大部分我們也都看過了其實最主要加味煙為什麼大家會覺得說它很嚴重就是因為加味煙在很多的學者\n\n06:19.377 --> 06:22.399\n但是現在我們是從禁止花香果香巧克力等香口味變成禁27種添加物成分\n\n06:40.066 --> 06:53.018\n那人民眾一般人還是會覺得疑惑到底進27種添加物的成分那就代表第28種第29種未來只要新興的不在這27種裡面的就是可以加了是這樣嗎\n\n06:57.615 --> 07:16.261\n我們的方向是什麼我們的法條寫的就是禁止中央主管機關公告之添加物是但是這樣就變成你是正面表列你現在27種你如果說之後有28種29種或是其他的你沒有在那裡面的是不是菸商就可以把它加進去那就代表是說你就開了一個後門跟巧門給菸商嗎\n\n07:17.711 --> 07:32.886\n年來的市總會正面表的也是滾動檢討滾動檢討但是現在大家看到的所有你這次公告兩個月之後所有的意見是不是多數人還是認為是說加味煙他是讓人家有疑慮的而且再者你們公告完之後是給18個月的緩衝期\n\n07:42.096 --> 07:48.773\n而不是像之前煙害防治法47條行政院公布後一個月就要實施了為什麼還要再給18個月緩衝期\n\n07:51.311 --> 08:19.363\n因為這些菸品假設它現在已經在市面流通了那你公告禁止它那這些市面流通的我們沒有辦法馬上叫它回收啊為什麼沒有辦法馬上叫它回收因為它本身就是如果說你認為這個東西這個東西我們法令禁止公告了如果說真的認為是說對於我們人體是有危害或是說對於會影響到青少年使用以及讓抽菸年齡不斷下修的話那就代表是說它可能有部分的疑慮\n\n08:21.857 --> 08:40.137\n部長我特別查了一下我以前有抽菸啦學生時代有抽但現在真的是幾乎沒有但是我要問的是你知不知道菸品的保存期限是多久一包菸最長就一年半一年半18個月\n\n08:41.641 --> 09:01.818\n所以你公告緩衝期18個月我不禁就認為說你根本就是幫煙商煙商好朋友欸等於是說當我們公告的時候跟你講說緩衝期有18個月剛好你現在市面上最近做出來的煙保存期就18個月所以你就是可以把你現在市面上18個月的煙都賣完那不就是煙商好朋友嗎\n\n09:07.179 --> 09:27.166\n我們公告禁止以他製造阿所以公告禁止他製造以後所以製造完之後所有製造出來的都可以讓他在市面上賣完之後才會才會截止新做的都不能加入阿就不能在市面上阿是阿所以說就變成是說你只要現在有的你都可以讓他賣完賣完在市面上所有賣完你覺得這樣子合理嗎你怎麼會那麼的量身打造阿\n\n09:34.060 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