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00:01:39,958\n好因為我想因為這個題目我想我們約個時間來好好的看一下各縣市的分部因為現在我想知道的就是桃竹的地方到底為什麼大家要等那麼久那接下來就進入我今天原本的那個題目就是說今年就是因為台北市這個信義區這個幼兒園的一案之後呢我們衛福部很快就是在8月份的時候就頒訂了一個叫做媒體報導兒少及性暴力指引也有開始研擬如何完善這個法規這一點我覺得必須要肯定\n\n5\n00:01:41,879 --> 00:02:03,091\n8月10日我也召開了一個叫性平案件是否納入兒童及少年福利與權利保障法第49條及第97條公佈姓名之列那會議記錄裡面呢是告訴我們說是有是有的是有把校園性平案件納入其中的但是呢現在有一個問題耶來看一下這個流程他怎麼沒有動好\n\n6\n00:02:08,527 --> 00:02:30,822\n來看一下這個流程就是說我們現在性平案件就是說發生的時候我們是要教育部先教育單位要先調查之後社政單位會介入然後要公佈名稱的話就要再確認這個案情內容才會決議是否要公佈在我們社政的相關網站對嗎這沒有錯那我們現在有一個案例\n\n7\n00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:47,018\n我們有一個陳情案他是在2021年最後一次被受害人燒了被燒了2023年6月大概花了一年半的時間兩年半的時間他鼓起勇氣了來向學校來檢舉這個加害人\n\n8\n00:02:48,700 --> 00:03:14,266\n那教育部、學校也非常依循這個法規在14個月之內也就確認了這個加害人有一個不法的行為那今年初因為這個幼兒園的事件之後我們也非常感謝衛福部和教育部來清查這三年內的一個性平案件那因為清查就花了一些時間所以清查完的時候是2024年的8月了所以就超過了行政法三年的時間\n\n9\n00:03:15,146 --> 00:03:16,668\n我們該如何來面對像這樣子的狀況我們該如何來處理呢\n\n10\n00:03:39,916 --> 00:03:55,537\n我想這樣的流程這麼久導致於無法來保護這個是一個很需要檢討的那我想知道說現在已經有一些可能在這個已經調出來我們可以怎麼做呢?我們有什麼做法嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:56,778 --> 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