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00:00:52,879\n臺灣台語\n\n5\n00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,301\n我從小到大,我爸爸媽媽說台語,但我都聽不懂\n\n6\n00:01:39,742 --> 00:01:43,343\n我是為我自己出來選舉開始我才開始從零開始學起我是怎樣用的我都先用華語寫好稿子然後呢用LINE傳給我媽媽拜託她唸一遍用台語唸一次給我聽然後錄音給我我用白的因為我的選區在中央網站區我們網站有很多的競票常常吃平安餐會都要說\n\n7\n00:02:05,310 --> 00:02:10,233\n所以我們現在討論的是我們臺灣所有族群所使用自自然語也就是我們的母語都面臨了冰危的狀況也就是傳承像我這一代我若是我的母語我沒有自己學起來我學一代要怎樣\n\n8\n00:02:23,579 --> 00:02:53,102\n所以我們現在在討論的是一個我們的母語面臨冰危的情況所以說今年6月的時候我在教委會質詢因為我知道我們的國家語言發展法2018年制定行政院的國家語言整體發展方案2022年開始來落實那文化部說率先了開始把我們所有建議要優先使用的名稱在一些公文件裡面先開始來使用但是呢教育部卻沒有同步\n\n9\n00:02:53,362 --> 00:03:14,190\n我覺得我們國家政治很重要的是一致性這是原則我們不能各部會大家各做各的所以我請我們教育部趕快要用我們行政院整體方案包括了我們網路上面的詞典的使用名稱包括我們的公文件使用名稱要以一致性的原則來落實我們國家語言整體發展方案\n\n10\n00:03:15,450 --> 00:03:35,677\n那對我來說我覺得就是一件事為什麼剛剛我說我們為什麼我們所有的既固有族群所使用的自然語都面臨冰危的狀況就是因為過去的國語所謂的國語只有一種語言就叫做華語對於其他的語言被打壓成次等的方言\n\n11\n00:03:36,497 --> 00:03:56,692\n所以何止是傷心．過去在威權時代．何止是傷．對於其他族群的語言使用者來說．不只是傷心．何止是撕裂．是打壓到殘廢．又殘又廢．所以我們必須要趕快來去保存．推動發展我們的母語那謝謝次長．接下來我要請我們客委會主委\n\n12\n00:03:58,718 --> 00:04:26,072\n這個谷主委谷主委好祝贏嗨祝贏你好明天好好念喔所以我要講的是語言的傳承非常的重要因為我注意到客家委員會有一個沉浸式幼兒園的方案那我們現在用補助的方式來補助幼兒園我們有三種包括沉浸式幼兒園也有全客語的幼兒園那能不能請主委來向我們說明一下目前全客語幼兒園或是沉浸式幼兒園我們怎麼樣來教孩子來使用客語目前怎麼執行的\n\n13\n00:04:27,253 --> 00:04:30,075\n這方面其實最主要是信心,信心要講,要懂得講,他講的話,他會帶領聲音的學,所以他的反應,整個反應就會像特班一樣,所謂的很堂堂的合法\n\n14\n00:04:44,904 --> 00:04:53,847\n所以重點是那個形容詞所以整版、整個演說的形容詞：就要說：不能說的形容詞：要用的呢：就要去學：要嚴重支持嚴重支持不能說的形容詞：去學：去說也要有方法：比方說要形容詞：要問聖人說聖人也要用來說：所以等到聖人有成就感說我講什麼：那一天\n\n15\n00:05:10,373 --> 00:05:34,230\n我覺得這非常好因為母語的學習就是要從小開始我們的誠信是客語的幼兒園就是說園林使用50%的你們的資料目前全台灣是77間那麼全客語的幼兒園也就是說百分之百教學都使用客語的目前全台灣有7間那我們目前預算的投入客會我看是4000萬那今年你們邊境來\n\n16\n00:05:36,812 --> 00:05:41,437\n最佳、再增加了兩千萬：也就是未來我們會擴大來辦理：是不是?沒錯：因為你對韓社、越社越好：不予接觸、不予學：那些效果最好的：所以我們還要支持：還要創始有意學合法的結團：\n\n17\n00:05:56,331 --> 00:06:04,875\n沒錯,全客語的幼兒園全台灣只有8間,我覺得不夠一定支持你們擴大辦理,再努力來推行所以說我剛講的這2000萬在預算裡面這叫做新興預算所以我也要拜託所有我們支持客語發展的委員們\n\n18\n00:06:12,978 --> 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