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00:02:37,910\n為什麼今天所有的母語族群要共同來面對國家語言發展法這件事情如同主委說如果你覺得我剛剛說明是對的那我們來看一下來下一張這個是臺語文創園區辦的所有跟臺語有關的活動包含從禁歌開始如果大家記憶可及我們小時候多少禁歌多少禁書都是跟語言有關而且都是因為來自於我們每一個人的母語這是臺語的部分再來下一張\n\n8\n00:02:38,450 --> 00:03:00,340\n在客委會的支持下：非常多年的預算：甚至有專業的主管機關：專責的主管機關：我們看到有客家文化體驗活動：客家小旅行：客家語言的學習活動：客家美食的推廣活動下一頁在原民會主管機關的支持底下：我們有非常多原住民族語言的活動：演唱會：包含剛剛佩儀跟雅琳委員都說了我想要問次長\n\n9\n00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:28,761\n在這個共同的論述底下：文化部如何看待不同的母語：在這個情況：目前大家這個對立的情況：次長你怎麼看我們剛剛講就是今天臺灣的本土語言會遭受到目前都瀕臨失傳的傳承的危機是因為過去的不當的語言政策所以我們現在修改了一個最大的原則就是所有的固有語言都是稱為國家語言\n\n10\n00:03:30,562 --> 00:03:50,618\n所以國語這個詞就不再是最屬於華語也就是如果各位認真去研究國家語言發展法會發現我們不再說國語了以前獨尊華語的情況下彷彿臺灣這個國家只能有一種語言所有的母語我要再次強調所有的母語都被壓抑都被打壓對嗎我阿公阿嬤去\n\n11\n00:03:51,559 --> 00:04:09,916\n把我送去好好聊我還要回來跟阿公阿嬤講台語跟去跟好好不可以講台語這對我真的很痛苦所以我現在台語講這麼卡真的非常辛苦我們來往下看下一頁所有人都有提到所有的語言社群都有權利以自己的語言來稱呼自己我想我就不再舉例次長你一定非常清楚來看下一頁\n\n12\n00:04:10,416 --> 00:04:36,821\n所以我自己真的認為臺語是臺專有名詞並不是代表全臺灣的臺語這件事情我要為所有在臺灣這個土地上講著自己母語的人發聲我沒有只想要為所謂講台語的族群發聲我認為所有的母語都必須受到尊重而且受到重視並且在相關部會主管機關的協助之下用力的推廣用力的讓他講得更多講得更好我們來看下一頁\n\n13\n00:04:38,476 --> 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