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00:00:08,370\n謝謝主席那有請部長請部長委員長部長辛苦了吼午安我想我們就快速來進入主題我國人工生殖法法制化的進度我想要問一下今天早上非常多委員也都問過了我想要幫部長複習一下其實之前衛福部有兩場公聽會衛環委員會也有公聽會\n\n2\n00:00:31,175 --> 00:00:53,904\n可是當時我要談一下當時衛福部在公聽會上的立場說沒有既定立場有非常多專家學者會給予建議還會聽非常多有這個需求的朋友的建議那有這些需求的目前我們知道其實女童性配偶還有單身女性那至於要不要納入代理孕母的版本那在2024年8月19號中央社這個新聞我們看到部長你說\n\n3\n00:00:55,125 --> 00:01:02,041\n進可能希望在2個月內把更好的人工生殖法草案送到立法院。部長我可以問一下目前進度跟這個相關的規劃?\n\n4\n00:01:05,305 --> 00:01:32,744\n如果以進度表演的話我們因為預告以後收集了600多則的意見所以我們最近也開了五場六場的專家的討論會那我們希望把一些疑慮爭議那今天當然也聽到一些大家的聲音那我們請國建署再好好的在演繹希望如果以原來的規劃是西洋11頁到衛福部能夠\n\n5\n00:01:33,985 --> 00:01:35,329\n那部長你自己在這幾場公聽會裡面你覺得最有爭議的點會是什麼?\n\n6\n00:01:49,122 --> 00:02:06,977\n對我來說我覺得裡面最重要我想要談一下其實從開放給女同性配偶使用人工生殖從2019年開始原本他們只能用寄親收養的方法到了後來去年修法開放同性可以共同收養基本上我們對於同志家庭的權益保障已經越來越好了\n\n7\n00:02:08,098 --> 00:02:29,703\n但是對於你同性配我想要透過人工生殖技術生育子女的部分因為我覺得進展實在很慢那如同部長你剛剛說的到11月到12月那目前我們看到你們草案的版本裡面在這個部分確實有一些討論可是我要說的是在這樣的討論情況下那關於人工生殖的部分關於這個代孕的部分我覺得\n\n8\n00:02:53,797 --> 00:02:54,718\n那我想要分享一個案例喔之前有個新聞就這兩天彩虹平泉大平台的理事長\n\n9\n00:03:11,556 --> 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