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00:02:46,486\n臺灣走過一片之後找出了140項重要的基礎工程希望能夠因此而提升臺灣整個的基礎工程的基本設施的建設跟水準再來就是我們希望從北部到桃竹苗到中部到大南方甚至到東部都能夠有一個區域性的發展這過去的政府也經常這麼做那我們把過去的經驗加上現在我們可以發展的科技產業融為在一起分這整個區\n\n7\n00:02:48,230 --> 00:02:48,491\n﹚陳冠廷\n\n8\n00:03:08,345 --> 00:03:26,136\n所以我們對於中小微企業的產業跟所謂的傳產,我們也希望他能夠進行雙軸的轉型,淨零跟能力的轉型,所以我們編了116億來幫助他們從這個轉型,就是希望他們不要落後於整個國際跟台灣的這個科技發展,能夠逐步的上升。\n\n9\n00:03:27,057 --> 00:03:30,879\n水利署是以每戶工程不超過60萬元為審查標準,只要超過60萬元,水利署基本上就不會去考慮。\n\n10\n00:03:56,926 --> 00:04:14,232\n可是呢在我們嘉義山區很多用戶都是地區偏遠戶密數低也就是說這樣的現行標準來看會超過60萬元的標準所以這些案子會駁回可是部長這不是只有在我們嘉義縣山區其實各個縣市的山區地區都有這樣的偏鄉的問題\n\n11\n00:04:15,552 --> 00:04:33,743\n那如果我們要達成均衡台灣是不是我們可以把無自來水地區的供水改善計畫聽說經濟部已經有提一個計畫給行政院未來要提高到80萬元山區用戶要提高到100萬元請問有這件事情嗎在無自來水地區供水供水地區的改善計畫第5期從114年到118年我們編列了106億那當然希望這個能夠檢討過去執行上\n\n12\n00:04:41,736 --> 00:04:46,640\n報告委員,我們現在這個水利署可以協助輔導還有這個補助的地方,我想還是要地方政府辦理這個簡易自來水系統,那麼來改善這個民眾的用水。\n\n13\n00:05:02,293 --> 00:05:29,771\n譬如說嘉義大埔鄉西雨村5-70的,原來成本156萬一戶,改申請可以申請減水。水利署正在研提無自來水地區供水改善第5期計畫,也就是114年到118年,加大執行量能持續推動,提升偏鄉以及原住民區健康飲水,並保證供水安全。\n\n14\n00:05:30,992 --> 00:05:54,686\n謝謝部長,我必須要強調現在嘉義縣大埔鄉它就是坐落在我們水庫旁,水庫就是坐落在大埔鄉的鄉境之內,所以有許多民眾是住在水庫旁卻無法使用水庫水,等於說我們這樣的做法其實就是把我們最後一塊的地圖把它補起來,堅韌的台灣還有基礎建設的共享,那不可以說是因為他們在偏遠山區反而得到更少的資源,我們要相反的,\n\n15\n00:05:54,946 --> 00:05:54,986\n麻煩請農業部長備選\n\n16\n00:06:25,593 --> 00:06:26,139\n部長可以請回,謝謝\n\n17\n00:06:35,157 --> 00:07:03,437\n院長去年9月的時候賴總統那時候是賴副總統由南下到我們嘉義的新港鄉那時候有提到說他的願景那是施政的願景他說嘉義縣未來不會只有工業區不會只有科學園區他希望還有增加我們的農業生物科技園區也就是我們不忘本我們嘉義是過去是從農業大縣觀光大縣現在是農工科技大縣但是農業還是我們嘉義縣發展的命脈之一所以\n\n18\n00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:16,246\n院長關於賴總統的政見這個願景我們是不是可以把它共同實現現在我跟部長來討論一下現在農業部的農業科技園區管理中心下面有屏東園區還有桃園園區還有蘭花園區對總共有三個園區\n\n19\n00:07:20,512 --> 00:07:28,982\n那截止至113年8月我看已經有核准115家農企業進駐,那已經總投資金額已經到了172億8千萬台幣,包含農業資產、包含農業設施、天然物、生技研發等6大類的產業都有進駐。\n\n20\n00:07:41,095 --> 00:07:45,781\n這三年的營業額分別是52億、55億到64億,所以這是透過園區把上下游的廠商做整個串聯,這是一個龐大的產業工業鏈,這個我們是非常肯定的。\n\n21\n00:07:52,694 --> 00:08:08,407\n那第一期105年已經完成了現在開發第二期那109年正式開始招商但是我們現在在想請教部長的第三期有沒有可能開始規劃如果規劃有沒有可能往台灣的中間的走廊嘉義這個地帶來去做開發\n\n22\n00:08:10,578 --> 00:08:31,186\n我跟委員報告,就是整個農業科學園區裡面最重要的是把我們農產業的一級產業做一個加值的部分那陳律師你剛才說的在整個的屏東的農業科學園區裡面我們第二期的部分那以過往的經驗我們在第一期招商到滿70%以後我們就會進到第二期的規劃\n\n23\n00:08:32,446 --> 00:08:47,411\n第二期目前實際進駐30%預定要進駐的已經達到40%所以也可以開始去考慮第三期的農業科技園區的座落我想委員也非常這幾年來一直非常積極的推動有關於農業\n\n24\n00:08:48,571 --> 00:08:50,493\n謝謝部長。那院長跟部長還是想請\n\n25\n00:09:17,649 --> 00:09:45,825\n兩位齁,來做整體的這個規劃,把我們不要說新港齁,我們整個嘉義縣他的這個農產,還有他們可能的這個加工,或者是可能發展的這個整個調線齁,來去做整體的規劃之後,還是希望說能夠在一年內能夠提出嘉義園區的規劃方案,是不是可以請院長能夠來協助促成,來去我們共同把賴總統的這個主要的這個願景能夠在嘉義來把它落實?\n\n26\n00:09:46,633 --> 00:10:06,783\n好,謝謝委員,嘉義不僅是農業的大縣,它現在未來會是科技,甚至軍工,工業上的大縣。那從農業的大縣能夠加強農業生技園區的發展,這絕對是一個正確必經的道路。那剛剛我也問過部長,他認為委員所說的這個期限,在一年內我們來把它完成。\n\n27\n00:10:07,003 --> 00:10:17,910\n對,我們一年內我們會啟動一個專案的計畫,去做包括產業的分析,包括可行性,包括它的區位跟規模,這個部分我想我們在一年內應該可以去做相關的規劃。\n\n28\n00:10:41,476 --> 00:11:02,198\n院長我們嘉義縣另外一個重要的一個議題就是我們的查改廠總廠南遷嘉義的這個進度那這個進度今年1月就已經到了行政院請問大概是什麼時候可以核定我稍微補充一下2021年8月前行政院長蘇貞昌他視察這一個的時候就已經把嘉義預定地了然後農業部在2023年已經\n\n29\n00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:05,983\n執行可行性評估及先行規劃作業。\n\n30\n00:11:22,623 --> 00:11:44,853\n要求國發會盡量在最快的數...在4個月內好不好?來完成跨部會的...我跟委員報告一下,因為他4月份...我們4月份的時候有提出改善意見給到了農業部。那農業部後來又送了一份到院,然後10月8號院又回覆意見再次修改。所以,呃...農業部現在正在農業部修改中。\n\n31\n00:11:45,974 --> 00:11:59,509\n我跟委員報告就是說我們在去年年底的時候完成了可行性的規劃那我們分別在1月份跟3月份就提報了中長層計畫到行政院去爭取相關的一個中長層公共建設的一個經費\n\n32\n00:12:00,950 --> 00:12:23,400\n在整個的一個審查過程中其實委員有非常好的意見我們做了修正那最近的一次修正完了以後我們預計在11月就會再報到行政院去來進行做最後的一個確認那我們期待說透過這樣子幾次的跟委員的溝通能夠讓這個場這個場域的整個功能跟他的一個\n\n33\n00:12:24,620 --> 00:12:24,800\n﹚陳冠廷﹚\n\n34\n00:12:52,623 --> 00:12:58,969\n院長,你的一個重大的農業政績在家。謝謝,我們現在外賓來訪,我們經常都送阿里山的紅茶。\n\n35\n00:13:00,369 --> 00:13:23,782\n還有高山茶,都是很棒的選擇,對,這個是對做外交來講也是非常有意義的,那是有台灣的意向,台灣的重要的觀光景地,然後還有他所孕育出來的這些特補的茶種,然後這些茶種又可以帶來台灣的意向給這些外賓,所以謝謝,謝謝院長。那最後院長,我們剛剛談到阿里山,阿里山上大部分都是國有林地,\n\n36\n00:13:24,542 --> 00:13:50,395\n那所以山上的民眾最關心的還是國有林地的居住問題那國有林地的既有居住使用房屋的部分本來行政院是有要修正讓肯定續辦清理要點的規定那把國有林地上面的既有的這些建物的清理認定從58527就是58年5月27日改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用邊地公告日期加一線是75年11月1日\n\n37\n00:13:51,255 --> 00:14:10,848\n但是各部會都認為各縣市政府第一次非督公告的年度相差太遠,它不利於國有領地的管理,所以行政院現在還沒有拍板這個方案。最早的屏東縣是64年10月6日,最晚的是75年11月1日。所以我在這邊是不是可以直接建議行政院全國統一用國產法的82721,82年7月21日當作分界點。\n\n38\n00:14:14,170 --> 00:14:28,725\n那82721之前就已經供民眾居住使用的非營林使用土地可以直接從國有林搬地變為一般的林業用地在變更為國有非公用財產之後就統一交給國產署管理\n\n39\n00:14:29,326 --> 00:14:33,470\n我跟委員報告,我想58527跟82721本身,我想過去幾年委員一直非常關心的。非常重要的就是說,82721本身是國產署是針對國有非公用的部分去適用。\n\n40\n00:14:55,950 --> 00:14:56,571\n﹚陳冠廷﹚\n\n41\n00:15:20,330 --> 00:15:20,570\n謝謝陳冠廷\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11564\t15666\t陳委員好 院長好 院長各位部會首長還有國人同胞大家好首先要恭賀我們這一次的臺灣的國家日順利舉辦 不管我們如何自稱\n37797\t64706\t不論來自何時不論來自何方只要我們認同臺灣這塊土地只要我們認同臺灣的民主法治只要我們認同守護臺灣的主權我想我們就是臺灣人這就是我們的國家日那院長從520上任到現在您就任院長大概也是5個多月可不可以跟我們分享一下這5個多月來哪一個在執政的這個願景的實現程度你覺得最滿意的\n66496\t84678\t最滿意嗎?對自己來說哪一個施政的主軸你覺得最滿意的?因為我們在100天的時候我們有一個行動101的策略方案那提議面提出了很多那我不敢說最滿意我覺得最貼切需要的就是我們看到這兩次風災之後帶給民眾的不便\n85299\t86800\t謝謝院長,所以說對於國土的堅韌度,你認為這是我們未來最重要的願景事宜?\n114651\t139031\t那我們請院長還有部長部長經濟部部長來這是直接直接引導到我們的下一個議題就是關於均衡臺灣院長請問什麼是均衡臺灣均衡臺灣在總統的施政理念跟他的競選過程當中一直談到所以第一個階段我們是把\n140372\t166486\t臺灣走過一片之後找出了140項重要的基礎工程希望能夠因此而提升臺灣整個的基礎工程的基本設施的建設跟水準再來就是我們希望從北部到桃竹苗到中部到大南方甚至到東部都能夠有一個區域性的發展這過去的政府也經常這麼做那我們把過去的經驗加上現在我們可以發展的科技產業融為在一起分這整個區\n168230\t168491\t﹚陳冠廷\n188345\t206136\t所以我們對於中小微企業的產業跟所謂的傳產,我們也希望他能夠進行雙軸的轉型,淨零跟能力的轉型,所以我們編了116億來幫助他們從這個轉型,就是希望他們不要落後於整個國際跟台灣的這個科技發展,能夠逐步的上升。\n207057\t210879\t水利署是以每戶工程不超過60萬元為審查標準,只要超過60萬元,水利署基本上就不會去考慮。\n236926\t254232\t可是呢在我們嘉義山區很多用戶都是地區偏遠戶密數低也就是說這樣的現行標準來看會超過60萬元的標準所以這些案子會駁回可是部長這不是只有在我們嘉義縣山區其實各個縣市的山區地區都有這樣的偏鄉的問題\n255552\t273743\t那如果我們要達成均衡台灣是不是我們可以把無自來水地區的供水改善計畫聽說經濟部已經有提一個計畫給行政院未來要提高到80萬元山區用戶要提高到100萬元請問有這件事情嗎在無自來水地區供水供水地區的改善計畫第5期從114年到118年我們編列了106億那當然希望這個能夠檢討過去執行上\n281736\t286640\t報告委員,我們現在這個水利署可以協助輔導還有這個補助的地方,我想還是要地方政府辦理這個簡易自來水系統,那麼來改善這個民眾的用水。\n302293\t329771\t譬如說嘉義大埔鄉西雨村5-70的,原來成本156萬一戶,改申請可以申請減水。 水利署正在研提無自來水地區供水改善第5期計畫,也就是114年到118年,加大執行量能持續推動,提升偏鄉以及原住民區健康飲水,並保證供水安全。\n330992\t354686\t謝謝部長,我必須要強調現在嘉義縣大埔鄉它就是坐落在我們水庫旁,水庫就是坐落在大埔鄉的鄉境之內,所以有許多民眾是住在水庫旁卻無法使用水庫水,等於說我們這樣的做法其實就是把我們最後一塊的地圖把它補起來,堅韌的台灣還有基礎建設的共享,那不可以說是因為他們在偏遠山區反而得到更少的資源,我們要相反的,\n354946\t354986\t麻煩請農業部長備選\n385593\t386139\t部長可以請回,謝謝\n395157\t423437\t院長去年9月的時候賴總統那時候是賴副總統由南下到我們嘉義的新港鄉那時候有提到說他的願景那是施政的願景他說嘉義縣未來不會只有工業區不會只有科學園區他希望還有增加我們的農業生物科技園區也就是我們不忘本我們嘉義是過去是從農業大縣觀光大縣現在是農工科技大縣但是農業還是我們嘉義縣發展的命脈之一所以\n424090\t436246\t院長關於賴總統的政見這個願景我們是不是可以把它共同實現現在我跟部長來討論一下現在農業部的農業科技園區管理中心下面有屏東園區還有桃園園區還有蘭花園區對總共有三個園區\n440512\t448982\t那截止至113年8月我看已經有核准115家農企業進駐,那已經總投資金額已經到了172億8千萬台幣,包含農業資產、包含農業設施、天然物、生技研發等6大類的產業都有進駐。\n461095\t465781\t這三年的營業額分別是52億、55億到64億,所以這是透過園區把上下游的廠商做整個串聯,這是一個龐大的產業工業鏈,這個我們是非常肯定的。\n472694\t488407\t那第一期105年已經完成了現在開發第二期那109年正式開始招商但是我們現在在想請教部長的第三期有沒有可能開始規劃如果規劃有沒有可能往台灣的中間的走廊嘉義這個地帶來去做開發\n490578\t511186\t我跟委員報告,就是整個農業科學園區裡面最重要的是把我們農產業的一級產業做一個加值的部分那陳律師你剛才說的在整個的屏東的農業科學園區裡面我們第二期的部分那以過往的經驗我們在第一期招商到滿70%以後我們就會進到第二期的規劃\n512446\t527411\t第二期目前實際進駐30%預定要進駐的已經達到40%所以也可以開始去考慮第三期的農業科技園區的座落我想委員也非常這幾年來一直非常積極的推動有關於農業\n528571\t530493\t謝謝部長。那院長跟部長還是想請\n557649\t585825\t兩位齁,來做整體的這個規劃,把我們不要說新港齁,我們整個嘉義縣他的這個農產,還有他們可能的這個加工,或者是可能發展的這個整個調線齁,來去做整體的規劃之後,還是希望說能夠在一年內能夠提出嘉義園區的規劃方案,是不是可以請院長能夠來協助促成,來去我們共同把賴總統的這個主要的這個願景能夠在嘉義來把它落實?\n586633\t606783\t好,謝謝委員,嘉義不僅是農業的大縣,它現在未來會是科技,甚至軍工,工業上的大縣。那從農業的大縣能夠加強農業生技園區的發展,這絕對是一個正確必經的道路。那剛剛我也問過部長,他認為委員所說的這個期限,在一年內我們來把它完成。\n607003\t617910\t對,我們一年內我們會啟動一個專案的計畫,去做包括產業的分析,包括可行性,包括它的區位跟規模,這個部分我想我們在一年內應該可以去做相關的規劃。\n641476\t662198\t院長我們嘉義縣另外一個重要的一個議題就是我們的查改廠總廠南遷嘉義的這個進度那這個進度今年1月就已經到了行政院請問大概是什麼時候可以核定我稍微補充一下2021年8月前行政院長蘇貞昌他視察這一個的時候就已經把嘉義預定地了然後農業部在2023年已經\n664140\t665983\t執行可行性評估及先行規劃作業。\n682623\t704853\t要求國發會盡量在最快的數...在4個月內好不好?來完成跨部會的...我跟委員報告一下,因為他4月份...我們4月份的時候有提出改善意見給到了農業部。那農業部後來又送了一份到院,然後10月8號院又回覆意見再次修改。所以,呃...農業部現在正在農業部修改中。\n705974\t719509\t我跟委員報告就是說我們在去年年底的時候完成了可行性的規劃那我們分別在1月份跟3月份就提報了中長層計畫到行政院去爭取相關的一個中長層公共建設的一個經費\n720950\t743400\t在整個的一個審查過程中其實委員有非常好的意見我們做了修正那最近的一次修正完了以後我們預計在11月就會再報到行政院去來進行做最後的一個確認那我們期待說透過這樣子幾次的跟委員的溝通能夠讓這個場這個場域的整個功能跟他的一個\n744620\t744800\t﹚陳冠廷﹚\n772623\t778969\t院長,你的一個重大的農業政績在家。謝謝,我們現在外賓來訪,我們經常都送阿里山的紅茶。\n780369\t803782\t還有高山茶,都是很棒的選擇,對,這個是對做外交來講也是非常有意義的,那是有台灣的意向,台灣的重要的觀光景地,然後還有他所孕育出來的這些特補的茶種,然後這些茶種又可以帶來台灣的意向給這些外賓,所以謝謝,謝謝院長。那最後院長,我們剛剛談到阿里山,阿里山上大部分都是國有林地,\n804542\t830395\t那所以山上的民眾最關心的還是國有林地的居住問題那國有林地的既有居住使用房屋的部分本來行政院是有要修正讓肯定續辦清理要點的規定那把國有林地上面的既有的這些建物的清理認定從58527就是58年5月27日改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用邊地公告日期加一線是75年11月1日\n831255\t850848\t但是各部會都認為各縣市政府第一次非督公告的年度相差太遠,它不利於國有領地的管理,所以行政院現在還沒有拍板這個方案。 最早的屏東縣是64年10月6日,最晚的是75年11月1日。 所以我在這邊是不是可以直接建議行政院全國統一用國產法的82721,82年7月21日當作分界點。\n854170\t868725\t那82721之前就已經供民眾居住使用的非營林使用土地可以直接從國有林搬地變為一般的林業用地在變更為國有非公用財產之後就統一交給國產署管理\n869326\t873470\t我跟委員報告,我想58527跟82721本身,我想過去幾年委員一直非常關心的。 非常重要的就是說,82721本身是國產署是針對國有非公用的部分去適用。\n895950\t896571\t﹚陳冠廷﹚\n920330\t920570\t謝謝陳冠廷\n","txt":"陳委員好 院長好 院長各位部會首長還有國人同胞大家好首先要恭賀我們這一次的臺灣的國家日順利舉辦 不管我們如何自稱\n不論來自何時不論來自何方只要我們認同臺灣這塊土地只要我們認同臺灣的民主法治只要我們認同守護臺灣的主權我想我們就是臺灣人這就是我們的國家日那院長從520上任到現在您就任院長大概也是5個多月可不可以跟我們分享一下這5個多月來哪一個在執政的這個願景的實現程度你覺得最滿意的\n最滿意嗎?對自己來說哪一個施政的主軸你覺得最滿意的?因為我們在100天的時候我們有一個行動101的策略方案那提議面提出了很多那我不敢說最滿意我覺得最貼切需要的就是我們看到這兩次風災之後帶給民眾的不便\n謝謝院長,所以說對於國土的堅韌度,你認為這是我們未來最重要的願景事宜?\n那我們請院長還有部長部長經濟部部長來這是直接直接引導到我們的下一個議題就是關於均衡臺灣院長請問什麼是均衡臺灣均衡臺灣在總統的施政理念跟他的競選過程當中一直談到所以第一個階段我們是把\n臺灣走過一片之後找出了140項重要的基礎工程希望能夠因此而提升臺灣整個的基礎工程的基本設施的建設跟水準再來就是我們希望從北部到桃竹苗到中部到大南方甚至到東部都能夠有一個區域性的發展這過去的政府也經常這麼做那我們把過去的經驗加上現在我們可以發展的科技產業融為在一起分這整個區\n﹚陳冠廷\n所以我們對於中小微企業的產業跟所謂的傳產,我們也希望他能夠進行雙軸的轉型,淨零跟能力的轉型,所以我們編了116億來幫助他們從這個轉型,就是希望他們不要落後於整個國際跟台灣的這個科技發展,能夠逐步的上升。\n水利署是以每戶工程不超過60萬元為審查標準,只要超過60萬元,水利署基本上就不會去考慮。\n可是呢在我們嘉義山區很多用戶都是地區偏遠戶密數低也就是說這樣的現行標準來看會超過60萬元的標準所以這些案子會駁回可是部長這不是只有在我們嘉義縣山區其實各個縣市的山區地區都有這樣的偏鄉的問題\n那如果我們要達成均衡台灣是不是我們可以把無自來水地區的供水改善計畫聽說經濟部已經有提一個計畫給行政院未來要提高到80萬元山區用戶要提高到100萬元請問有這件事情嗎在無自來水地區供水供水地區的改善計畫第5期從114年到118年我們編列了106億那當然希望這個能夠檢討過去執行上\n報告委員,我們現在這個水利署可以協助輔導還有這個補助的地方,我想還是要地方政府辦理這個簡易自來水系統,那麼來改善這個民眾的用水。\n譬如說嘉義大埔鄉西雨村5-70的,原來成本156萬一戶,改申請可以申請減水。 水利署正在研提無自來水地區供水改善第5期計畫,也就是114年到118年,加大執行量能持續推動,提升偏鄉以及原住民區健康飲水,並保證供水安全。\n謝謝部長,我必須要強調現在嘉義縣大埔鄉它就是坐落在我們水庫旁,水庫就是坐落在大埔鄉的鄉境之內,所以有許多民眾是住在水庫旁卻無法使用水庫水,等於說我們這樣的做法其實就是把我們最後一塊的地圖把它補起來,堅韌的台灣還有基礎建設的共享,那不可以說是因為他們在偏遠山區反而得到更少的資源,我們要相反的,\n麻煩請農業部長備選\n部長可以請回,謝謝\n院長去年9月的時候賴總統那時候是賴副總統由南下到我們嘉義的新港鄉那時候有提到說他的願景那是施政的願景他說嘉義縣未來不會只有工業區不會只有科學園區他希望還有增加我們的農業生物科技園區也就是我們不忘本我們嘉義是過去是從農業大縣觀光大縣現在是農工科技大縣但是農業還是我們嘉義縣發展的命脈之一所以\n院長關於賴總統的政見這個願景我們是不是可以把它共同實現現在我跟部長來討論一下現在農業部的農業科技園區管理中心下面有屏東園區還有桃園園區還有蘭花園區對總共有三個園區\n那截止至113年8月我看已經有核准115家農企業進駐,那已經總投資金額已經到了172億8千萬台幣,包含農業資產、包含農業設施、天然物、生技研發等6大類的產業都有進駐。\n這三年的營業額分別是52億、55億到64億,所以這是透過園區把上下游的廠商做整個串聯,這是一個龐大的產業工業鏈,這個我們是非常肯定的。\n那第一期105年已經完成了現在開發第二期那109年正式開始招商但是我們現在在想請教部長的第三期有沒有可能開始規劃如果規劃有沒有可能往台灣的中間的走廊嘉義這個地帶來去做開發\n我跟委員報告,就是整個農業科學園區裡面最重要的是把我們農產業的一級產業做一個加值的部分那陳律師你剛才說的在整個的屏東的農業科學園區裡面我們第二期的部分那以過往的經驗我們在第一期招商到滿70%以後我們就會進到第二期的規劃\n第二期目前實際進駐30%預定要進駐的已經達到40%所以也可以開始去考慮第三期的農業科技園區的座落我想委員也非常這幾年來一直非常積極的推動有關於農業\n謝謝部長。那院長跟部長還是想請\n兩位齁,來做整體的這個規劃,把我們不要說新港齁,我們整個嘉義縣他的這個農產,還有他們可能的這個加工,或者是可能發展的這個整個調線齁,來去做整體的規劃之後,還是希望說能夠在一年內能夠提出嘉義園區的規劃方案,是不是可以請院長能夠來協助促成,來去我們共同把賴總統的這個主要的這個願景能夠在嘉義來把它落實?\n好,謝謝委員,嘉義不僅是農業的大縣,它現在未來會是科技,甚至軍工,工業上的大縣。那從農業的大縣能夠加強農業生技園區的發展,這絕對是一個正確必經的道路。那剛剛我也問過部長,他認為委員所說的這個期限,在一年內我們來把它完成。\n對,我們一年內我們會啟動一個專案的計畫,去做包括產業的分析,包括可行性,包括它的區位跟規模,這個部分我想我們在一年內應該可以去做相關的規劃。\n院長我們嘉義縣另外一個重要的一個議題就是我們的查改廠總廠南遷嘉義的這個進度那這個進度今年1月就已經到了行政院請問大概是什麼時候可以核定我稍微補充一下2021年8月前行政院長蘇貞昌他視察這一個的時候就已經把嘉義預定地了然後農業部在2023年已經\n執行可行性評估及先行規劃作業。\n要求國發會盡量在最快的數...在4個月內好不好?來完成跨部會的...我跟委員報告一下,因為他4月份...我們4月份的時候有提出改善意見給到了農業部。那農業部後來又送了一份到院,然後10月8號院又回覆意見再次修改。所以,呃...農業部現在正在農業部修改中。\n我跟委員報告就是說我們在去年年底的時候完成了可行性的規劃那我們分別在1月份跟3月份就提報了中長層計畫到行政院去爭取相關的一個中長層公共建設的一個經費\n在整個的一個審查過程中其實委員有非常好的意見我們做了修正那最近的一次修正完了以後我們預計在11月就會再報到行政院去來進行做最後的一個確認那我們期待說透過這樣子幾次的跟委員的溝通能夠讓這個場這個場域的整個功能跟他的一個\n﹚陳冠廷﹚\n院長,你的一個重大的農業政績在家。謝謝,我們現在外賓來訪,我們經常都送阿里山的紅茶。\n還有高山茶,都是很棒的選擇,對,這個是對做外交來講也是非常有意義的,那是有台灣的意向,台灣的重要的觀光景地,然後還有他所孕育出來的這些特補的茶種,然後這些茶種又可以帶來台灣的意向給這些外賓,所以謝謝,謝謝院長。那最後院長,我們剛剛談到阿里山,阿里山上大部分都是國有林地,\n那所以山上的民眾最關心的還是國有林地的居住問題那國有林地的既有居住使用房屋的部分本來行政院是有要修正讓肯定續辦清理要點的規定那把國有林地上面的既有的這些建物的清理認定從58527就是58年5月27日改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用邊地公告日期加一線是75年11月1日\n但是各部會都認為各縣市政府第一次非督公告的年度相差太遠,它不利於國有領地的管理,所以行政院現在還沒有拍板這個方案。 最早的屏東縣是64年10月6日,最晚的是75年11月1日。 所以我在這邊是不是可以直接建議行政院全國統一用國產法的82721,82年7月21日當作分界點。\n那82721之前就已經供民眾居住使用的非營林使用土地可以直接從國有林搬地變為一般的林業用地在變更為國有非公用財產之後就統一交給國產署管理\n我跟委員報告,我想58527跟82721本身,我想過去幾年委員一直非常關心的。 非常重要的就是說,82721本身是國產署是針對國有非公用的部分去適用。\n﹚陳冠廷﹚\n謝謝陳冠廷\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.564 --> 00:15.666\n陳委員好院長好院長各位部會首長還有國人同胞大家好首先要恭賀我們這一次的臺灣的國家日順利舉辦不管我們如何自稱\n\n00:37.797 --> 01:04.706\n不論來自何時不論來自何方只要我們認同臺灣這塊土地只要我們認同臺灣的民主法治只要我們認同守護臺灣的主權我想我們就是臺灣人這就是我們的國家日那院長從520上任到現在您就任院長大概也是5個多月可不可以跟我們分享一下這5個多月來哪一個在執政的這個願景的實現程度你覺得最滿意的\n\n01:06.496 --> 01:24.678\n最滿意嗎?對自己來說哪一個施政的主軸你覺得最滿意的?因為我們在100天的時候我們有一個行動101的策略方案那提議面提出了很多那我不敢說最滿意我覺得最貼切需要的就是我們看到這兩次風災之後帶給民眾的不便\n\n01:25.299 --> 01:26.800\n謝謝院長,所以說對於國土的堅韌度,你認為這是我們未來最重要的願景事宜?\n\n01:54.651 --> 02:19.031\n那我們請院長還有部長部長經濟部部長來這是直接直接引導到我們的下一個議題就是關於均衡臺灣院長請問什麼是均衡臺灣均衡臺灣在總統的施政理念跟他的競選過程當中一直談到所以第一個階段我們是把\n\n02:20.372 --> 02:46.486\n臺灣走過一片之後找出了140項重要的基礎工程希望能夠因此而提升臺灣整個的基礎工程的基本設施的建設跟水準再來就是我們希望從北部到桃竹苗到中部到大南方甚至到東部都能夠有一個區域性的發展這過去的政府也經常這麼做那我們把過去的經驗加上現在我們可以發展的科技產業融為在一起分這整個區\n\n02:48.230 --> 02:48.491\n﹚陳冠廷\n\n03:08.345 --> 03:26.136\n所以我們對於中小微企業的產業跟所謂的傳產,我們也希望他能夠進行雙軸的轉型,淨零跟能力的轉型,所以我們編了116億來幫助他們從這個轉型,就是希望他們不要落後於整個國際跟台灣的這個科技發展,能夠逐步的上升。\n\n03:27.057 --> 03:30.879\n水利署是以每戶工程不超過60萬元為審查標準,只要超過60萬元,水利署基本上就不會去考慮。\n\n03:56.926 --> 04:14.232\n可是呢在我們嘉義山區很多用戶都是地區偏遠戶密數低也就是說這樣的現行標準來看會超過60萬元的標準所以這些案子會駁回可是部長這不是只有在我們嘉義縣山區其實各個縣市的山區地區都有這樣的偏鄉的問題\n\n04:15.552 --> 04:33.743\n那如果我們要達成均衡台灣是不是我們可以把無自來水地區的供水改善計畫聽說經濟部已經有提一個計畫給行政院未來要提高到80萬元山區用戶要提高到100萬元請問有這件事情嗎在無自來水地區供水供水地區的改善計畫第5期從114年到118年我們編列了106億那當然希望這個能夠檢討過去執行上\n\n04:41.736 --> 04:46.640\n報告委員,我們現在這個水利署可以協助輔導還有這個補助的地方,我想還是要地方政府辦理這個簡易自來水系統,那麼來改善這個民眾的用水。\n\n05:02.293 --> 05:29.771\n譬如說嘉義大埔鄉西雨村5-70的,原來成本156萬一戶,改申請可以申請減水。水利署正在研提無自來水地區供水改善第5期計畫,也就是114年到118年,加大執行量能持續推動,提升偏鄉以及原住民區健康飲水,並保證供水安全。\n\n05:30.992 --> 05:54.686\n謝謝部長,我必須要強調現在嘉義縣大埔鄉它就是坐落在我們水庫旁,水庫就是坐落在大埔鄉的鄉境之內,所以有許多民眾是住在水庫旁卻無法使用水庫水,等於說我們這樣的做法其實就是把我們最後一塊的地圖把它補起來,堅韌的台灣還有基礎建設的共享,那不可以說是因為他們在偏遠山區反而得到更少的資源,我們要相反的,\n\n05:54.946 --> 05:54.986\n麻煩請農業部長備選\n\n06:25.593 --> 06:26.139\n部長可以請回,謝謝\n\n06:35.157 --> 07:03.437\n院長去年9月的時候賴總統那時候是賴副總統由南下到我們嘉義的新港鄉那時候有提到說他的願景那是施政的願景他說嘉義縣未來不會只有工業區不會只有科學園區他希望還有增加我們的農業生物科技園區也就是我們不忘本我們嘉義是過去是從農業大縣觀光大縣現在是農工科技大縣但是農業還是我們嘉義縣發展的命脈之一所以\n\n07:04.090 --> 07:16.246\n院長關於賴總統的政見這個願景我們是不是可以把它共同實現現在我跟部長來討論一下現在農業部的農業科技園區管理中心下面有屏東園區還有桃園園區還有蘭花園區對總共有三個園區\n\n07:20.512 --> 07:28.982\n那截止至113年8月我看已經有核准115家農企業進駐,那已經總投資金額已經到了172億8千萬台幣,包含農業資產、包含農業設施、天然物、生技研發等6大類的產業都有進駐。\n\n07:41.095 --> 07:45.781\n這三年的營業額分別是52億、55億到64億,所以這是透過園區把上下游的廠商做整個串聯,這是一個龐大的產業工業鏈,這個我們是非常肯定的。\n\n07:52.694 --> 08:08.407\n那第一期105年已經完成了現在開發第二期那109年正式開始招商但是我們現在在想請教部長的第三期有沒有可能開始規劃如果規劃有沒有可能往台灣的中間的走廊嘉義這個地帶來去做開發\n\n08:10.578 --> 08:31.186\n我跟委員報告,就是整個農業科學園區裡面最重要的是把我們農產業的一級產業做一個加值的部分那陳律師你剛才說的在整個的屏東的農業科學園區裡面我們第二期的部分那以過往的經驗我們在第一期招商到滿70%以後我們就會進到第二期的規劃\n\n08:32.446 --> 08:47.411\n第二期目前實際進駐30%預定要進駐的已經達到40%所以也可以開始去考慮第三期的農業科技園區的座落我想委員也非常這幾年來一直非常積極的推動有關於農業\n\n08:48.571 --> 08:50.493\n謝謝部長。那院長跟部長還是想請\n\n09:17.649 --> 09:45.825\n兩位齁,來做整體的這個規劃,把我們不要說新港齁,我們整個嘉義縣他的這個農產,還有他們可能的這個加工,或者是可能發展的這個整個調線齁,來去做整體的規劃之後,還是希望說能夠在一年內能夠提出嘉義園區的規劃方案,是不是可以請院長能夠來協助促成,來去我們共同把賴總統的這個主要的這個願景能夠在嘉義來把它落實?\n\n09:46.633 --> 10:06.783\n好,謝謝委員,嘉義不僅是農業的大縣,它現在未來會是科技,甚至軍工,工業上的大縣。那從農業的大縣能夠加強農業生技園區的發展,這絕對是一個正確必經的道路。那剛剛我也問過部長,他認為委員所說的這個期限,在一年內我們來把它完成。\n\n10:07.003 --> 10:17.910\n對,我們一年內我們會啟動一個專案的計畫,去做包括產業的分析,包括可行性,包括它的區位跟規模,這個部分我想我們在一年內應該可以去做相關的規劃。\n\n10:41.476 --> 11:02.198\n院長我們嘉義縣另外一個重要的一個議題就是我們的查改廠總廠南遷嘉義的這個進度那這個進度今年1月就已經到了行政院請問大概是什麼時候可以核定我稍微補充一下2021年8月前行政院長蘇貞昌他視察這一個的時候就已經把嘉義預定地了然後農業部在2023年已經\n\n11:04.140 --> 11:05.983\n執行可行性評估及先行規劃作業。\n\n11:22.623 --> 11:44.853\n要求國發會盡量在最快的數...在4個月內好不好?來完成跨部會的...我跟委員報告一下,因為他4月份...我們4月份的時候有提出改善意見給到了農業部。那農業部後來又送了一份到院,然後10月8號院又回覆意見再次修改。所以,呃...農業部現在正在農業部修改中。\n\n11:45.974 --> 11:59.509\n我跟委員報告就是說我們在去年年底的時候完成了可行性的規劃那我們分別在1月份跟3月份就提報了中長層計畫到行政院去爭取相關的一個中長層公共建設的一個經費\n\n12:00.950 --> 12:23.400\n在整個的一個審查過程中其實委員有非常好的意見我們做了修正那最近的一次修正完了以後我們預計在11月就會再報到行政院去來進行做最後的一個確認那我們期待說透過這樣子幾次的跟委員的溝通能夠讓這個場這個場域的整個功能跟他的一個\n\n12:24.620 --> 12:24.800\n﹚陳冠廷﹚\n\n12:52.623 --> 12:58.969\n院長,你的一個重大的農業政績在家。謝謝,我們現在外賓來訪,我們經常都送阿里山的紅茶。\n\n13:00.369 --> 13:23.782\n還有高山茶,都是很棒的選擇,對,這個是對做外交來講也是非常有意義的,那是有台灣的意向,台灣的重要的觀光景地,然後還有他所孕育出來的這些特補的茶種,然後這些茶種又可以帶來台灣的意向給這些外賓,所以謝謝,謝謝院長。那最後院長,我們剛剛談到阿里山,阿里山上大部分都是國有林地,\n\n13:24.542 --> 13:50.395\n那所以山上的民眾最關心的還是國有林地的居住問題那國有林地的既有居住使用房屋的部分本來行政院是有要修正讓肯定續辦清理要點的規定那把國有林地上面的既有的這些建物的清理認定從58527就是58年5月27日改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用邊地公告日期加一線是75年11月1日\n\n13:51.255 --> 14:10.848\n但是各部會都認為各縣市政府第一次非督公告的年度相差太遠,它不利於國有領地的管理,所以行政院現在還沒有拍板這個方案。最早的屏東縣是64年10月6日,最晚的是75年11月1日。所以我在這邊是不是可以直接建議行政院全國統一用國產法的82721,82年7月21日當作分界點。\n\n14:14.170 --> 14:28.725\n那82721之前就已經供民眾居住使用的非營林使用土地可以直接從國有林搬地變為一般的林業用地在變更為國有非公用財產之後就統一交給國產署管理\n\n14:29.326 --> 14:33.470\n我跟委員報告,我想58527跟82721本身,我想過去幾年委員一直非常關心的。非常重要的就是說,82721本身是國產署是針對國有非公用的部分去適用。\n\n14:55.950 --> 14:56.571\n﹚陳冠廷﹚\n\n15:20.330 --> 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水利署正在研提無自來水地區供水改善第5期計畫,也就是114年到118年,加大執行量能持續推動,提升偏鄉以及原住民區健康飲水,並保證供水安全。"},{"start":330.992,"end":354.686,"text":"謝謝部長,我必須要強調現在嘉義縣大埔鄉它就是坐落在我們水庫旁,水庫就是坐落在大埔鄉的鄉境之內,所以有許多民眾是住在水庫旁卻無法使用水庫水,等於說我們這樣的做法其實就是把我們最後一塊的地圖把它補起來,堅韌的台灣還有基礎建設的共享,那不可以說是因為他們在偏遠山區反而得到更少的資源,我們要相反的,"},{"start":354.946,"end":354.986,"text":"麻煩請農業部長備選"},{"start":385.593,"end":386.139,"text":"部長可以請回,謝謝"},{"start":395.157,"end":423.437,"text":"院長去年9月的時候賴總統那時候是賴副總統由南下到我們嘉義的新港鄉那時候有提到說他的願景那是施政的願景他說嘉義縣未來不會只有工業區不會只有科學園區他希望還有增加我們的農業生物科技園區也就是我們不忘本我們嘉義是過去是從農業大縣觀光大縣現在是農工科技大縣但是農業還是我們嘉義縣發展的命脈之一所以"},{"start":424.09,"end":436.246,"text":"院長關於賴總統的政見這個願景我們是不是可以把它共同實現現在我跟部長來討論一下現在農業部的農業科技園區管理中心下面有屏東園區還有桃園園區還有蘭花園區對總共有三個園區"},{"start":440.512,"end":448.982,"text":"那截止至113年8月我看已經有核准115家農企業進駐,那已經總投資金額已經到了172億8千萬台幣,包含農業資產、包含農業設施、天然物、生技研發等6大類的產業都有進駐。"},{"start":461.095,"end":465.781,"text":"這三年的營業額分別是52億、55億到64億,所以這是透過園區把上下游的廠商做整個串聯,這是一個龐大的產業工業鏈,這個我們是非常肯定的。"},{"start":472.694,"end":488.407,"text":"那第一期105年已經完成了現在開發第二期那109年正式開始招商但是我們現在在想請教部長的第三期有沒有可能開始規劃如果規劃有沒有可能往台灣的中間的走廊嘉義這個地帶來去做開發"},{"start":490.578,"end":511.186,"text":"我跟委員報告,就是整個農業科學園區裡面最重要的是把我們農產業的一級產業做一個加值的部分那陳律師你剛才說的在整個的屏東的農業科學園區裡面我們第二期的部分那以過往的經驗我們在第一期招商到滿70%以後我們就會進到第二期的規劃"},{"start":512.446,"end":527.411,"text":"第二期目前實際進駐30%預定要進駐的已經達到40%所以也可以開始去考慮第三期的農業科技園區的座落我想委員也非常這幾年來一直非常積極的推動有關於農業"},{"start":528.571,"end":530.493,"text":"謝謝部長。那院長跟部長還是想請"},{"start":557.649,"end":585.825,"text":"兩位齁,來做整體的這個規劃,把我們不要說新港齁,我們整個嘉義縣他的這個農產,還有他們可能的這個加工,或者是可能發展的這個整個調線齁,來去做整體的規劃之後,還是希望說能夠在一年內能夠提出嘉義園區的規劃方案,是不是可以請院長能夠來協助促成,來去我們共同把賴總統的這個主要的這個願景能夠在嘉義來把它落實?"},{"start":586.633,"end":606.783,"text":"好,謝謝委員,嘉義不僅是農業的大縣,它現在未來會是科技,甚至軍工,工業上的大縣。那從農業的大縣能夠加強農業生技園區的發展,這絕對是一個正確必經的道路。那剛剛我也問過部長,他認為委員所說的這個期限,在一年內我們來把它完成。"},{"start":607.003,"end":617.91,"text":"對,我們一年內我們會啟動一個專案的計畫,去做包括產業的分析,包括可行性,包括它的區位跟規模,這個部分我想我們在一年內應該可以去做相關的規劃。"},{"start":641.476,"end":662.198,"text":"院長我們嘉義縣另外一個重要的一個議題就是我們的查改廠總廠南遷嘉義的這個進度那這個進度今年1月就已經到了行政院請問大概是什麼時候可以核定我稍微補充一下2021年8月前行政院長蘇貞昌他視察這一個的時候就已經把嘉義預定地了然後農業部在2023年已經"},{"start":664.14,"end":665.983,"text":"執行可行性評估及先行規劃作業。"},{"start":682.623,"end":704.853,"text":"要求國發會盡量在最快的數...在4個月內好不好?來完成跨部會的...我跟委員報告一下,因為他4月份...我們4月份的時候有提出改善意見給到了農業部。那農業部後來又送了一份到院,然後10月8號院又回覆意見再次修改。所以,呃...農業部現在正在農業部修改中。"},{"start":705.974,"end":719.509,"text":"我跟委員報告就是說我們在去年年底的時候完成了可行性的規劃那我們分別在1月份跟3月份就提報了中長層計畫到行政院去爭取相關的一個中長層公共建設的一個經費"},{"start":720.95,"end":743.4,"text":"在整個的一個審查過程中其實委員有非常好的意見我們做了修正那最近的一次修正完了以後我們預計在11月就會再報到行政院去來進行做最後的一個確認那我們期待說透過這樣子幾次的跟委員的溝通能夠讓這個場這個場域的整個功能跟他的一個"},{"start":744.62,"end":744.8,"text":"﹚陳冠廷﹚"},{"start":772.623,"end":778.969,"text":"院長,你的一個重大的農業政績在家。謝謝,我們現在外賓來訪,我們經常都送阿里山的紅茶。"},{"start":780.369,"end":803.782,"text":"還有高山茶,都是很棒的選擇,對,這個是對做外交來講也是非常有意義的,那是有台灣的意向,台灣的重要的觀光景地,然後還有他所孕育出來的這些特補的茶種,然後這些茶種又可以帶來台灣的意向給這些外賓,所以謝謝,謝謝院長。那最後院長,我們剛剛談到阿里山,阿里山上大部分都是國有林地,"},{"start":804.542,"end":830.395,"text":"那所以山上的民眾最關心的還是國有林地的居住問題那國有林地的既有居住使用房屋的部分本來行政院是有要修正讓肯定續辦清理要點的規定那把國有林地上面的既有的這些建物的清理認定從58527就是58年5月27日改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用邊地公告日期加一線是75年11月1日"},{"start":831.255,"end":850.848,"text":"但是各部會都認為各縣市政府第一次非督公告的年度相差太遠,它不利於國有領地的管理,所以行政院現在還沒有拍板這個方案。 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三、10月15日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","id":155388,"gazette":{"lineno":1112,"blocks":[["陳委員冠廷：（15時2分）你好，我們請院長。"],["主席：麻煩請卓院長再備詢，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：陳委員好。"],["陳委員冠廷：院長好。院長、各位部會首長，還有國人同胞，大家好。首先要恭賀我們這一次的臺灣國家日順利舉辦，不管我們如何自稱，不論來自何時，不論來自何方，只要我們認同臺灣這塊土地，只要我們認同臺灣的民主法治，只要我們認同守護臺灣的主權，我想我們就是臺灣人，這就是我們的國家日。","院長，從520上任到現在，您就任院長大概也是五個多月，可不可以跟我們分享一下，這五個多月來，哪一個執政願景的實現程度你覺得是最滿意的？"],["卓院長榮泰：最滿意嗎？"],["陳委員冠廷：對自己來講、對自己來說，哪一個施政的主軸你覺得最滿意？"],["卓院長榮泰：因為我們在100天的時候有一個行動101的策略方案，裡面提出了很多，我不敢說最滿意，我覺得最貼切需要的，就是我們看到這兩次風災之後帶給民眾的不便，過去我們雖然在治水上面花了相當的時間，也花了相當的經費，我覺得已經達到起碼、基本上的需求，但是還有一些系統性的問題，我已經在明年度551億的系統性治水當中，希望相關單位都能夠緊密地去設計好未來的需求，我覺得這個不是滿意，而是現在此刻最需要的。"],["陳委員冠廷：謝謝院長，所以對於國土的堅韌度，你認為這是我們未來最重要的願景之一。我們請院長，還有經濟部部長來……"],["主席：麻煩請經濟部長備詢。"],["陳委員冠廷：接下來直接引導到我們的下一個議題，就是關於均衡臺灣。院長，請問什麼是均衡臺灣？"],["卓院長榮泰：均衡臺灣在總統的施政理念及他的競選過程當中一直談到，所以第一個階段我們是把臺灣走過一遍之後，找出了140項重要的基礎工程，希望能夠因此而提升臺灣整個基礎工程基本設施的建設及水準。再來，我們希望從北部到桃竹苗、到中部、到大南方，甚至到東部，都能夠有一個區域性的發展，過去政府也經常這麼做，我們把過去的經驗加上現在發展的科技產業融合在一起，分為幾個區能夠公平地來發展，地方建設有了，發展產業也有了，臺灣才能夠起來。"],["陳委員冠廷：經濟發展的果實要讓全民共享，大概是這樣子，也就是要落實總統說的均衡臺灣，不能夠只有管零星的產業，不能夠只有管半導體產業，不能夠只管在臺灣領先世界的產業而已，還有油、水、電等民生問題都要處理，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：當然，所以對於中小微企業的產業與所謂的傳產，我們也希望能夠進行雙軸的轉型，淨零和能源的轉型，所以我們編列116億幫助他們從事轉型，就是希望他們不要落後於整個國際，臺灣的科技發展能夠逐步的上升。"],["陳委員冠廷：沒錯，不要落後於國際發展。同時，一些偏鄉的民生基礎設施，我們也要把它做得更好，也就是我們不是在經營公司而已，不是只有追尋利潤而已，我們要注重的是基礎設施的健全發展。所以我想要請教，根據沒有自來水地區的供水改善計畫，現在各縣市的無自來水延管申請案，水利署是以每戶工程不超過60萬元為審查標準，只要超過60萬元，水利署基本上就不會去考慮。可是在我們嘉義山區，很多用戶都是地區偏遠、戶密數低，以現行標準來看，會超過60萬元的標準，所以這些案子會駁回。可是部長，這不是只有在我們嘉義縣山區，其實各個縣市的山區地區都有這樣的偏鄉問題，如果我們要達成均衡臺灣，是不是可以把無自來水地區的供水改善計畫──聽說經濟部已經有提一個計畫給行政院，未來要提高到80萬元，山區用戶要提高到100萬元，請問有這件事情嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：無自來水供水地區的改善計畫第五期從114年到118年，我們編列了106億，當然希望能夠檢討過去執行上不易的，或是民眾認為更多需求的，我們從經費上來寬列，請部長說明一下。"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，現在水利署可以協助輔導，還有補助的地方，我想還是要地方政府辦理簡易自來水系統來改善民眾用水，譬如，嘉義大埔鄉西興村5至7鄰原來成本是一戶156萬，可以改申請簡水，水利署正在研提無自來水地區供水改善第五期計畫，也就是114年至118年，我們會加大執行量能、持續推動，以提升偏鄉以及原住民區健康飲水，並保證供水安全。"],["陳委員冠廷：謝謝部長。我必須要強調，現在嘉義縣大埔鄉就坐落在水庫旁，水庫就坐落在大埔鄉的鄉境之內，所以有許多民眾是住在水庫旁，卻無法使用水庫水，等於我們這樣的作法，其實就是把我們最後一塊地圖補起來，堅韌的臺灣，還有基礎建設的共享，不可以因為他們在偏遠山區反而得到更少的資源，相反地，我們要把均衡臺灣做得更好。目前整個計畫每戶用戶的成本大概是87.9萬，有超過60萬，但是符合之前提供給行政院的無自來水地區供水計畫，在100萬以內的狀況，所以還是希望行政院可以全力支持，院長，這個部分可不可以來協助？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的，我們會支持地方上所需要的。"],["陳委員冠廷：謝謝，請農業部部長。"],["主席：麻煩請農業部部長備詢。"],["陳委員冠廷：院長，去年9月的時候賴副總統有南下到我們嘉義的新港鄉，那時候他有提到他的施政願景，他說嘉義縣未來不會只有工業區，不會只有科學園區，他希望還有增加農業生物科技園區，也就是我們不忘本，嘉義過去是農業大縣、觀光大縣，現在是農工科技大縣，但是農業還是嘉義縣發展的命脈之一，所以院長，關於賴總統的政見、這個願景，我們是不是可以把它共同實現？我跟部長討論一下，現在農業部的農業科技園區管理中心下面有屏東園區，還有桃園園區跟蘭花……"],["陳部長駿季：還有蘭花園區。"],["陳委員冠廷：對，總共有三個園區。截止至113年8月，我看已經有核准115家農企業進駐，總投資金額已經到了172億8,000萬臺幣，包含農業資材、農業設施、天然物、生技研發等六大類的產業都有進駐。第一期做得不錯，這三年的營業額分別是52億、55億到64億，所以這是透過園區把上、下游的廠商整個做串聯，這是一個龐大的產業工業鏈，這個我們是非常肯定的。第一期105年已經額滿了，現在開發第二期，109年正式開始招商，但是我們現在再想請教部長的，第三期有沒有可能開始規劃？如果規劃，有沒有可能往臺灣中間的走廊──嘉義這個地帶來去開發？"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，整個農業科學園區裡面最重要是把農產業的一級產業進行加值的部分，誠如你剛才說的，在整個屏東農業科技園區裡面第二期的部分，以過往的經驗，在第一期招商大概達70%以後，我們就會進到第二期的規劃，現在第二期目前實際進駐達30%，預定要進駐的已經達到40%，所以也可以開始去考慮第三期農業科技園區的坐落。","我想委員這幾年來一直非常積極地推動關於農業科技園區在嘉義地方落腳，這個部分我想跟委員說明，我們要做這樣的一個園區，一定要考慮到周遭產業的特殊性，不要跟其他園區有其區隔性的部分，我想我們會開始去做比較有系統的、產業需求的規劃，來作為後續是不是要成立的一個因應。"],["陳委員冠廷：謝謝部長。院長跟部長，還是想請兩位來做整體的規劃，不要說新港，而是把整個嘉義縣的農產及他們可能的加工，或者是可能發展的調性，來去做整體的規劃之後，還是希望在一年內能夠提出嘉義園區的規劃方案，是不是可以請院長能夠來協助促成，我們共同把賴總統主要的願景能夠在嘉義落實？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。嘉義不僅是農業大縣，未來會是科技，甚至軍工、工業上的大縣，從農業大縣能夠加強農業生技園區的發展，這絕對是一個正確必經的道路。剛剛我也問過部長，他認為委員所說這個期限在一年內我們來把它完成。"],["陳部長駿季：對！一年內我們會啟動一個專案計畫去做，包括產業分析、包括可行性、包括它的區域跟規模，這個部分我想我們在一年內應該可以去做相關的規劃。"],["陳委員冠廷：謝謝部長。因為這個包含地方的鄉長、還有地方的議員，都已經在協助找一些可規劃的土地，所以我相信只要有相關的腹案，馬上就可以來執行。","接下來我們請國發會主委，不好意思，部長還是請您繼續。"],["主席：麻煩請國發會主委備詢。"],["陳委員冠廷：院長，我們嘉義縣另外一個重要的議題，就是茶改場總場南遷嘉義的進度，今年1月就已經到了行政院，請問大概是什麼時候可以核定？我稍微補充一下，2021年8月前行政院長蘇貞昌在視察的時候，就已經把嘉義定為預定地了，然後農業部在2023年已經進行了可行性評估跟先行規劃作業，今年1月已經把評估報告陳給行政院，可是從1月到現在已有9個月，我們現在是沒有聽到下文。所以如果從頭算，2021年8月到現在是2024年10月，是不是可以請院長來要求國發會儘量以最快地速度完成跨部會的協調工作，在4個月內好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我跟委員報告一下，因為我們在4月份的時候，有提出改善意見給農業部，農業部後來又送了一份到院，然後10月8號院又回復意見再次修改，所以現在正在農業部修改中。"],["卓院長榮泰：請農業部說明。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我們在去年年底的時候完成了可行性規劃，我們分別在1月份跟3月份，就提報了中長程計畫到行政院去爭取相關的中長程公共建設經費，在整個審查過程中，其實委員有非常好的意見，我們也做了修正；最近一次修正完了以後，我們預計在11月就會再報到行政院進行最後的確認，我們期待透過幾次跟委員的溝通，讓這個場域的整個功能跟產業鏈結能夠達到更實際的效力。"],["陳委員冠廷：所以11月？"],["陳部長駿季：11月，11月我們就會送，我們現在大概整理得差不多了。"],["陳委員冠廷：院長，中南部的茶農都在看這一個案子，不是只有我們嘉義地區，雲嘉南地區、中南部的茶農都在看這個案子，所以我必須要為我們的茶農請命，希望院長能夠促成行政院儘快落實茶改場南遷嘉義，讓這個案子成為院長你在嘉義的一個重大農業政績。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝，現在外賓來訪我們經常送阿里山的紅茶。"],["陳委員冠廷：還有高山茶，都是很棒的選擇，這個對做外交來講也是非常有意義的，那是有臺灣的意象、臺灣重要的觀光景地，然後還有它所孕育出來的這些特別茶種，這些茶種又可以帶來臺灣的意象給外賓，謝謝院長。","最後，院長，我們剛剛談到阿里山，阿里山上大部分都是國有林地，所以山上的民眾最關心的還是國有林地的居住問題，關於國有林地的既有居住使用房屋部分，本來行政院有要修正濫墾地續辦清理要點的規定，把國有林地上面的既有建物清理認定從58年5月27日改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用編定公告日期，嘉義縣是75年11月1日。但是各部會都認為各縣市政府第一次非都公告的年度相差太遠，不利於國有林地的管理，所以行政院現在還沒有拍板這個方案，最早的屏東縣是64年10月6號、最晚的是75年11月1日，所以我在這邊是不是可以直接建議行政院，全國統一用國產法的82年7月21日當作分界點，那82年7月21日之前就已經供民眾居住使用的非營林使用土地，可以直接從國有林班地變為一般林業用地，再變更為國有非公用財產之後就統一交給國產署管理，再統一出租給民眾，這樣子的話可以解決山區大部分的居住問題，是不是可以請行政院來考量一下？"],["卓院長榮泰：適用性的問題、適法性的問題還是請部長來答復，他有一些想法。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，關於58年5月27日跟82年7月21日的問題，過去幾年委員一直非常關心，非常重要的是，82年7月21日本身是國產署針對國有非公用的部分去適用，林務局的保安林地是國有公用的部分，所以它不能直接適用！但是後來我們折衝了一個，就是用最近的航拍相關規定，就像您說的。我跟委員報告，有兩個方法可以解這個問題，因為它的確已經變成一個聚落了，如果國土計畫實施以後，我們用鄉規就可以直接處理。"],["陳委員冠廷：我昨天出現質詢的部分。"],["陳部長駿季：對，就直接可以處理，但是國土計畫還沒有實施之前，還有一條路，我們在奮起湖也是利用這樣的方式，如果它規劃成觀光發展區的時候，我們農業部也樂觀其成能夠把它解編。"],["陳委員冠廷：謝謝部長、謝謝院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們請農業部繼續努力，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳冠廷委員的質詢、謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","接下來請登記第10號陳超明委員質詢。"],["陳委員超明：院長好，首先有請行政院卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：陳委員好。"],["陳委員超明：卓院長好。我第一個質詢的問題就是桃竹苗大矽谷計畫，我們的速度要加快，好不好？今年國發會在2月份提出桃竹苗大矽谷計畫，這期間我安排了經濟委員會考察苗栗2次，我個人召開協調會8次，很高興終於在9月30號經過行政院正式核定，苗栗縣有三個地方納入大矽谷計畫，一個是竹南科學園區第二期擴編、一個是頭份科學園區、一個是後龍的產業園區，所以我在此表達非常感謝之意。因為賴總統在總統競選期間提出大矽谷計畫，一直看不到那個影子，大家放心不下來，我每天被人家問，謝謝你，真是幫了忙……"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，應該要往這個方向走。"],["陳委員超明：我也跟院長報告，投資在苗栗縣絕對是最好的選擇。苗栗縣有個特色──新竹市的科學園區；新竹縣、新竹市都緊鄰著苗栗縣；還鄰接著臺中科學園區，所以在這個地方把它整個補起來，就是非常完整，能串聯我們西部的科技走廊。在這裡感謝院長，安定了人心，不然我電話一直接，被問說是真的還是假的？","這次也表現了我們中央與地方團結合作、共圓夢想，讓苗栗縣成為西部科技走廊新興的一個都市！在這裡我們苗栗縣鍾東錦縣長特別叫我感謝賴總統、卓院長……"],["卓院長榮泰：不敢當。"],["陳委員超明：還有國發會，還有經濟部大家全力的支持，把這個核定下來，讓它能大展身手，讓我們苗栗縣的願景能前程似錦，這一點要再靠你們繼續給我們支持跟幫忙，因為這裡面一定有很多困難的問題，只要中央幫我們協助解決的話，我相信很快苗栗人的夢想就會完成，這點拜託一下。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，總統的政見一定是最重要的國家施政方向，但是不可能一夜實現，我們一定會按部就班、循序進行……"],["陳委員超明：對，接下來就靠苗栗縣去打拚……"],["卓院長榮泰：這當中國發會扮演非常重要的角色，非常非常的辛苦……"],["陳委員超明：我曉得，所以我現在巴結他，我現在在委員會都不敢亂修理他，好不好？謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：謝謝。"],["陳委員超明：現在請經濟部長，國發會可以下去了。"],["主席：麻煩請經濟部長備詢。"],["陳委員超明：卓院長，我第二個主題就是苗栗天花湖水庫的興建與否，你們中央要很清楚的表態，我們地方才敢來做，經濟部在民國83年開始規劃天花湖水庫，在102年通過環評，但是後續因為地方的溝通，那時民運團體起來，到處都在反對，也是現在的執政黨當初很多的作為，我自已經歷過這個情形，我們一清二楚。","現在桃竹苗大矽谷計畫已經核定，未來高科技進駐到苗栗或是到新竹的時候，用水量勢必增加很多，我們五個水庫給臺中跟新竹科學園區使用，以前的水都是靠苗栗供應，現在我們又有產業基地，我們互相聯絡、互相幫忙，但是天花湖水庫我覺得勢必要建，現在加上我們極端的氣候，有水要思無水的痛苦，現在下雨量很多，大家都不擔心，但是到時極端氣候變遷、乾旱的氣候，我們要未雨綢繆，尤其前兩年缺水的時候，在竹南、頭份、在苗栗縣大概有50%的人口缺水、缺電，害我們每天追得要死。","我現在只要這樣，苗栗縣政府有準備，會來支持天花湖水庫，作為大矽谷計畫的備用水源，你們到底有沒有要做？你們每天都說缺水庫，沒有人反對，現在苗栗縣第一個表態支持水庫的興建，你們也要表態一下，部長知道這件事吧？"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，這一件事情我不清楚。"],["陳委員超明：你不知道？"],["郭部長智輝：對。"],["陳委員超明：我們在等看你們會不會來問，我們主動跟你們說，好像我們在跟你們討一樣，以後要積極一點，情報要靈活一點。"],["郭部長智輝：是，謝謝委員指教。"],["陳委員超明：不然我跟你講，建立一個水庫，你們現在為了科學園區用電、用水，你們海邊的淡水計畫花了多少錢，建一個水庫已經足夠了，要去想一下啦！"],["郭部長智輝：是，謝謝委員……"],["陳委員超明：從企業界出來，一定要了解這些問題。"],["郭部長智輝：是，謝謝委員，這個我們會納入優先考慮。"],["陳委員超明：好，你有時間來我們苗栗……"],["卓院長榮泰：我再跟委員報告，這個地區當然需要工業區，將來的園區都需要用水，但天花湖這個場址，原來我們過去幾年顧慮的是認為它要不要有更進一步的考慮，它有沒有斷層帶，造成未來安全上的疑慮，現在進一步發現這個斷層的問題好像是不存在的，但是要確定，如果這個不存在，安全上是可控的，我們就把它弄比較高的安全係數標準來看，是不是可以適合來做水庫，請經濟部再做詳細說明。"],["郭部長智輝：我馬上責成水利署下去做評估。"],["陳委員超明：好，因為以前都是地方反對的，你們都不敢做，現在地方表態說要全力來建了……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們重視安全上的問題，這個要先做。"],["陳委員超明：你們應該要下去鼓勵支持，好不好？"],["郭部長智輝：好，謝謝委員。"],["陳委員超明：經濟部請回座。我現在要討論國土計畫，你們說要上路，我自己是農民出身的，苗栗縣是農業縣，我現在跟院長說，農地無奈，農民也三聲無奈，國土計畫法在明年（114年）4月要生效，我跟院長說，你們真的要很慎重考慮，因為國土計畫法在國民黨執政的時代通過，再來換民進黨執政，在這八年裡面，你們也沒有去地方溝通協調，大家搞得亂七八糟。雖然國民黨過了，這表示所有的責任是在你們執政期間，你們漠視那些基層跟農會，幾乎沒人理，我覺得這個問題很重要，但是中央好像馬馬虎虎，地方政府就想說這裡面要劃什麼土地起來也怕遭遇到民怨及民眾反對。","我現在跟院長說，不要怪地方政府，我還是要說一些事情，其實是中央的行政責任，你們現在這結束了，明年要到期，要表示你們的power，你們全力推動，這個不對，我是主張要延緩。我現在要跟你說的是什麼？苗栗山多、平原少、水庫多，苗栗縣的國土保育區面積你們劃了26%，保育區只能種樹，無法耕種；農業發展區占22%，現在所有鄉親深怕的就是國土保育區第一類及農業發展地區第一類使用受到限制，這讓大家擔心。","我講這個問題很重要，我們要學屏東的作法，屏東怎麼做你知道嗎？把公有地──就是台糖的土地化為農一，農一就是永遠要耕種，不得翻身，它是這樣劃的；它把本來的優良農地改為農二；把都市計畫內的農業用地改為城鄉發展區。如果屏東通過，苗栗縣就照這樣劃，我絕對會請縣長支持這樣通過。現在百姓很怕，所以國土計畫真的要好好考慮，如果能延兩年，好好地溝通協調，讓地方劃出他們未來要發展最重要的地方。部長，我上次本來要問你，今天總質詢的時間很短，你不要說農民有農業的精神，大家都要看土地能不能漲，人都不會改變，人性不會改變，不要想得很偉大，你們都曉得，都市裡面的農業區你們都一直在改變，變成商業區，用這方式下去做……"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，有關於農業發展區到底怎麼劃，我想絕對不是只有地方政府劃、中央審，一定是中央跟地方政府一起合作，所以我想後續我們會去加強溝通，然後……"],["陳委員超明：這跟農業部比較沒關係，是內政部……"],["陳部長駿季：適合的這些地……"],["陳委員超明：但你也要提出你的看法……"],["陳部長駿季：我想我們會跟縣政府一起來討論，怎麼樣劃是最有利的。第二點，剛剛委員說的國保區部分，其實農業部也主動，有一些國保區其實不適合劃在國保的，可以劃在農業發展區的，我們也主動跟內政部請求把它劃出來，這個部分我想一起努力。"],["陳委員超明：我了解，院長，你有什麼看法？我真的很誠懇向你建議把它延後，延兩年、三年不晚，好好地規劃，很多農民都是支持你們的，你們這樣劃，我跟你說，對你們來說很危險，我是很真誠的跟你談這問題，你的看法如何？"],["卓院長榮泰：是，謝謝委員提醒，我個人也一直覺得國土計畫法的內容是不是沒有辦法向農民說得很清楚，第二個是過去幾年我們在溝通的過程當中，是不是時間上沒有盡到該有的效率，目前大家在還沒有說明很清楚的情況底下，但是有法律時間上的要求，所以我是要求農業部跟內政部還是積極去溝通，但溝通的成效到底如何，我現在還在觀察中。"],["陳委員超明：還有一點，糧食是國安問題，部長、院長，我這個土地是荒廢在那也沒有種植，我常常聽那些學者專家說什麼糧食國安的問題，你自己去看，現在產量提高了，你要有各種改變的方式，因為總質詢的關係，我把幾個重點講完，改天我會跟農業部請教，你再轉告卓院長，我是鄉下出身的。"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員。"],["陳委員超明：再來，我對苗栗一直想要做的事情，就是「指定苗栗為低丘緩坡示範區，打造臺灣輕井澤」，我們苗栗這個地方低丘緩坡很漂亮，而且每一個地方交通非常的便利，我現在跟你們說一個現實的問題在哪裡，苗栗1甲3,000坪的農地大概是1,500萬到2,000萬，你說可不可憐？說不定買你們臺北市的豪宅，連1間廁所也買不起；買新北市的房子，10坪就買不起，我100坪的土地換不到10坪，你覺得這樣有道理嗎？部長，你好好想我講的這幾個問題。所以在都市裡面，農地都重劃變成建地，我們苗栗的農地、低丘緩坡只能做農，為什麼就要受到限制？關於這個我常有個觀念，苗栗縣的交通很方便，到臺北45分鐘，到高雄70分鐘，到臺中20分鐘，所以苗栗要蓋農舍要符合農舍的興建規定，這裡面有一點很困擾的就是「農舍用地應矩形配置於農地之地界線側及臨接道路，不得影響農業經營用地的完整性。但屬特殊地形者，不在此限。」特殊地形者的部分，我在經濟委員會跟你們農業部討論好幾次了，你們說：「不會啦！好啦！」但你要知道，平地的農地跟我手上的山坡地是不一樣的，你用這種條件設限，地方的公務人員沒人敢去解釋特殊的地形，怕變成圖利，所以我們苗栗縣85%的山坡地都面臨嚴苛的審核，沒辦法通過。我覺得這點要因地制宜，不能說平地的農舍跟我們山坡地的農舍，你們要求的條件都一樣，平地有路，山坡地要自己開。","現在山坡地的部分，部長、院長要知道，山坡地缺水，農作物收成也缺工，農產作物你們又給我們限制，為什麼種水稻、種水果才能增加收入？你怎麼不去改種高經濟價值的樹木，檜木、牛樟、肖楠或是沉香木，還有一些有經濟價值的？你不要限制我一定要種西瓜、要種花生、要種水稻才可以，有時候我真的想不通，你們都不會變通，所以我在這裡，希望可以的話，低丘緩坡以苗栗縣為示範區，好好地考慮那個地方的地形狀況再來做，這樣我們苗栗縣才會發展，那些土地才會活化起來，不然都卡在那，我帶你們去看，整座山上都是空的。"],["卓院長榮泰：請部長說明一下。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員簡單報告，類似日本輕井澤的這個部分，其實在我們國土計畫農四部分的一個鄉村聚落規劃裡面，就可以把它規劃下去，這樣後續在推動的時候，其實有非常多的資源是可以投入的。"],["陳委員超明：你現在這樣說的意思就是我們山坡地有一些可以改成城鄉發展區嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：沒有，這個會根據你的地形地貌，我剛才說它以農業發展區的農四部分……"],["陳委員超明：沒有，我的意思是你劃定一個特區，因為低丘緩坡很漂亮，比日本的輕井澤還要漂亮。"],["主席：好，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，再請部長書面說明，好不好？"],["陳委員超明：你去走看看，以前蓋的……你退休的時候就會喜歡苗栗縣了，愛上那個地方。"],["主席：謝謝苗栗的陳超明委員。"],["陳委員超明：好，謝謝。"],["委員陳超明書面補充資料："],["主席：謝謝卓院長及相關首長的備詢。","跟院會報告，現在在我們議場2樓旁聽席的是北一女中的學生，專門來這裡觀摩我們立法院，歡迎大家！未來國家的棟梁，歡迎你們！","接下來我們請登記第11號牛煦庭委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":19,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-4","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-10-11"],"gazette_id":"1137801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137801_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第4次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1137801_00001"}}}