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00:01:52,646\n這部分可不可以請兩位簡單做個說明報告委員這個費率的制定是碳費審議委員會來定義但是我們在形成一個決策的時候的確有進行跨部會的協商包含跟我院長也都有報告過這個事情不過最後其實還是審議委員會來決定那其實我也很尊重這個經濟部因為經濟部是從產業的角度發聲所以其實我們也會跟著他們積極來協調討論這個事情\n\n6\n00:01:54,747 --> 00:01:56,228\n請問經濟部,你們如何替產業發聲?遺憾跟未來發生中間有沒有什麼連結?\n\n7\n00:02:18,314 --> 00:02:32,980\n是,謝謝。經濟部也是碳費審議委員會裡面的一個成員那我們是針對目前各行各業所面對的一個產業環境認為大家應該要可以負擔得起,然後可以用穩健的方式來做處理\n\n8\n00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:34,541\n目前我們也在產創條例裡面修法\n\n9\n00:02:57,597 --> 00:03:02,319\n了解,所以希望往後就不要遺憾而是如何共同努力往前走好,那謝謝署長\n\n10\n00:03:26,448 --> 00:03:37,355\n那再過來是有關的請教部﹖署長可以請回座﹖謝謝探費專款的使用﹖剛剛很多委員都有請教了部長那針對於未來探費預計會有60億元左右的這個探費的\n\n11\n00:03:43,999 --> 00:04:00,310\n請問一下部長有列這麼多的層面需要去處理的部分那在執行過程當中目前有沒有計畫要怎麼分配剛剛部長也提到很多教育面還有相關的調適面等等那部長也很用心的\n\n12\n00:04:01,010 --> 00:04:24,191\n在部裡面做了這一個這麼好的資料可以讓民眾做參考所以如何分配這個碳費的收入目前部長有沒有初步的規劃報告委員這個其實全球我個人是希望說這個60億放大10倍啦600億就是把民眾的錢這個大家的錢有更好的效益來做使用\n\n13\n00:04:24,911 --> 00:04:47,805\n但是這個如何按照氣候變遷因應法的這個原則去定義那這個是要成立一個委員會那目前委員會應該我所知道是說我會來這個擔任這個主席然後來定這個規則請一些這個各方面的委員來參與還有各個部會所以目前的細節怎麼用我們還沒有定那預計明年才會開始草擬這些事情\n\n14\n00:04:48,404 --> 00:05:10,513\n好,我們希望這個效益可以極大化那再過來有關於成立基金的部分部長目前也規劃有3個基金可以來協助整體的這些處理的要求那包括綠色成長基金預計預計或者是說會預注100億元那可是我們看到好像要爭取\n\n15\n00:05:11,872 --> 00:05:28,213\n那到底這兩者之間有多少的落差那再過來就是綠色金融創新的部分什麼時候有好的平台的產生讓這個保險業者可以把這樣的資金搭上綠色產業那這兩部分也馬上部長幫忙說明\n\n16\n00:05:28,553 --> 00:05:47,257\n委員第一個是國發基金我們是已經獲得國發委主委口頭上的承諾他覺得這是非常好的而且他也承諾我說100億用完之後還可以再想辦法然後第一個是這個現在我們正在寫申請書然後因為我們國發基金已經有好幾個部會也有類似的基金所以我們有一個\n\n17\n00:05:47,677 --> 00:06:04,223\n很好的方案方向可以去學習可以來進行那我們也會成立一個專案辦公室那預計我們希望11月送到這個國發基金的審議委員會通過那明年1月1號可以來實施所以我們目前是希望定在明年1月1號可以來開始1月開始來進行做這個事\n\n18\n00:06:05,663 --> 00:06:20,012\n那至於綠色金融創新是跟金管會那金管會其實他也很熱心的協助我們找保險公司能夠來談這個資金的取得這個都不是政府的原來的預算的錢那目前的確已經還不做的成效但是也遇到一些問題\n\n19\n00:06:20,832 --> 00:06:40,721\n就是說裡面的細節上這個例如說做exco做深入解能有一定的風險如何去擔保我們還是遇到一些細節上的問題我們還在解決當中但是這個呢應該未來一兩個月內會有結果那第三個呢因為前面兩個如果完成之後我們更希望的是鼓勵我們國內的創投業者能夠來投資進來因為國際上這種氣候科技這種近鄰的\n\n20\n00:06:44,002 --> 00:06:48,746\n國內的創投業者也可以來關心國內的相關業者可以來做這個事情那其實也跟委員報告我們剛剛統計了一個資料我們國內在一些求職平台這種所謂綠色工作的人才一個月平均大概有2萬個新的工作的機會\n\n21\n00:07:08,565 --> 00:07:18,167\n從這個綠色這個就是賴清德賴總統的綠色成長的戰略裡面我們是不是可以創造一些新的動能來幫助台灣這個是現在我們環境部面對這樣的一個新的態度\n\n22\n00:07:18,893 --> 00:07:41,922\n我們也希望讓這些需求在人力上的供應或者是未來的發展可以更全面再過來就是要請教部長有關於醫療機構減碳的部分那非常謝謝也非常肯定部長在這方面幫我們的醫療機構在這個費用的部分做了一些正向的一種允諾剛剛蘇委員也談到這個事情\n\n23\n00:07:45,703 --> 00:08:09,716\n請教一下我們也知道其實醫療部門雖然所佔的這個使用的量不是很大氣體排放佔了0.9可是如果把醫療供應鏈加進去事實上真的是不少有到4.4%那未來在這部分的政策方向如何能夠具體協助醫院來做節能的這個方案不知道目前的規劃如何\n\n24\n00:08:10,296 --> 00:08:26,850\n目前跟委員報告就是說我們現在經濟部跟環境部正在研議一個就是深度節能就是ESCO的下一代那目前來看的話我們經濟部的團隊會負責公立醫院、部立醫院那整個私立醫院是由環境部這邊來負責所以我們會針對全台灣的這個醫院的\n\n25\n00:08:30,914 --> 00:08:48,411\n現在是8000KW以上的大戶會來進行主動來輔導那小的是未來在做所以這個是深度節能那這個費用不是從政府的費用來而是我們希望帶動民間的資金能夠來幫助這個醫院那細節上可能還要再一兩個月的時間再跟委員報告\n\n26\n00:08:49,451 --> 00:09:12,420\n好因為我們也知道醫學中心那個能源佔用真的是電力的部分非常的高的爬速將近有八成那在電力耗用裡面空調又佔了55%其他照明插座等等那在要更新啦或者是要讓這些設備可以更為發揮它的效能真的是也是一筆重大的費用所以我們很期待\n\n27\n00:09:13,220 --> 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氣體排放佔了0.9可是如果把醫療供應鏈加進去事實上真的是不少 有到4.4%那未來在這部分的政策方向如何能夠具體協助醫院來做節能的這個方案 不知道目前的規劃如何\n490296\t506850\t目前跟委員報告就是說我們現在經濟部跟環境部正在研議一個就是深度節能就是ESCO的下一代那目前來看的話我們經濟部的團隊會負責公立醫院、部立醫院那整個私立醫院是由環境部這邊來負責所以我們會針對全台灣的這個醫院的\n510914\t528411\t現在是8000KW以上的大戶會來進行主動來輔導那小的是未來在做所以這個是深度節能那這個費用不是從政府的費用來而是我們希望帶動民間的資金能夠來幫助這個醫院那細節上可能還要再一兩個月的時間再跟委員報告\n529451\t552420\t好 因為我們也知道醫學中心那個能源佔用真的是電力的部分非常的高的爬速 將近有八成那在電力耗用裡面空調又佔了55%其他照明插座等等那在要更新啦 或者是要讓這些設備可以更為發揮它的效能真的是也是一筆重大的費用所以我們很期待\n553220\t553480\t謝謝王正旭委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席：有請彭部長：還有經濟部產業發展署楊署長王委員早\n部長早讓地球可以深呼吸所有地球上的生物可以深呼吸台灣的民眾可以放心地深呼吸我想這是今天要跟部長討論的事情那近年減碳的政策真的非常重要所以我們要走對的路做對的事那部長有多少信心\n關於碳費的部分先請教一下有關於當這個碳費拍板以後\n當然各界反映會有不一樣的一些想法那請問部長在這個拍板之前有跟經濟部這邊有做多少的一些互相的討論那為什麼碳會拍板定案以後經濟部會表達遺憾\n這部分可不可以請兩位簡單做個說明報告委員這個費率的制定是碳費審議委員會來定義但是我們在形成一個決策的時候的確有進行跨部會的協商包含跟我院長也都有報告過這個事情不過最後其實還是審議委員會來決定那其實我也很尊重這個經濟部因為經濟部是從產業的角度發聲所以其實我們也會跟著他們積極來協調討論這個事情\n請問經濟部,你們如何替產業發聲?遺憾跟未來發生中間有沒有什麼連結?\n是,謝謝。經濟部也是碳費審議委員會裡面的一個成員那我們是針對目前各行各業所面對的一個產業環境認為大家應該要可以負擔得起,然後可以用穩健的方式來做處理\n目前我們也在產創條例裡面修法\n了解,所以希望往後就不要遺憾而是如何共同努力往前走好,那謝謝署長\n那再過來是有關的請教部﹖署長可以請回座﹖謝謝探費專款的使用﹖剛剛很多委員都有請教了部長那針對於未來探費預計會有60億元左右的這個探費的\n請問一下部長有列這麼多的層面需要去處理的部分那在執行過程當中目前有沒有計畫要怎麼分配剛剛部長也提到很多教育面還有相關的調適面等等那部長也很用心的\n在部裡面做了這一個這麼好的資料可以讓民眾做參考所以如何分配這個碳費的收入目前部長有沒有初步的規劃報告委員這個其實全球我個人是希望說這個60億放大10倍啦600億就是把民眾的錢這個大家的錢有更好的效益來做使用\n但是這個如何按照氣候變遷因應法的這個原則去定義那這個是要成立一個委員會那目前委員會應該我所知道是說我會來這個擔任這個主席然後來定這個規則請一些這個各方面的委員來參與還有各個部會所以目前的細節怎麼用我們還沒有定那預計明年才會開始草擬這些事情\n好,我們希望這個效益可以極大化那再過來有關於成立基金的部分部長目前也規劃有3個基金可以來協助整體的這些處理的要求那包括綠色成長基金預計預計或者是說會預注100億元那可是我們看到好像要爭取\n那到底這兩者之間有多少的落差那再過來就是綠色金融創新的部分什麼時候有好的平台的產生讓這個保險業者可以把這樣的資金搭上綠色產業那這兩部分也馬上部長幫忙說明\n委員第一個是國發基金我們是已經獲得國發委主委口頭上的承諾他覺得這是非常好的而且他也承諾我說100億用完之後還可以再想辦法然後第一個是這個現在我們正在寫申請書然後因為我們國發基金已經有好幾個部會也有類似的基金所以我們有一個\n很好的方案方向可以去學習可以來進行那我們也會成立一個專案辦公室那預計我們希望11月送到這個國發基金的審議委員會通過那明年1月1號可以來實施所以我們目前是希望定在明年1月1號可以來開始1月開始來進行做這個事\n那至於綠色金融創新是跟金管會那金管會其實他也很熱心的協助我們找保險公司能夠來談這個資金的取得這個都不是政府的原來的預算的錢那目前的確已經還不做的成效但是也遇到一些問題\n就是說裡面的細節上這個例如說做exco做深入解能有一定的風險如何去擔保我們還是遇到一些細節上的問題我們還在解決當中但是這個呢應該未來一兩個月內會有結果那第三個呢因為前面兩個如果完成之後我們更希望的是鼓勵我們國內的創投業者能夠來投資進來因為國際上這種氣候科技這種近鄰的\n國內的創投業者也可以來關心國內的相關業者可以來做這個事情那其實也跟委員報告我們剛剛統計了一個資料我們國內在一些求職平台這種所謂綠色工作的人才一個月平均大概有2萬個新的工作的機會\n從這個綠色這個就是賴清德賴總統的綠色成長的戰略裡面我們是不是可以創造一些新的動能來幫助台灣這個是現在我們環境部面對這樣的一個新的態度\n我們也希望讓這些需求在人力上的供應或者是未來的發展可以更全面再過來就是要請教部長有關於醫療機構減碳的部分那非常謝謝也非常肯定部長在這方面幫我們的醫療機構在這個費用的部分做了一些正向的一種允諾剛剛蘇委員也談到這個事情\n請教一下我們也知道其實醫療部門雖然所佔的這個使用的量不是很大 氣體排放佔了0.9可是如果把醫療供應鏈加進去事實上真的是不少 有到4.4%那未來在這部分的政策方向如何能夠具體協助醫院來做節能的這個方案 不知道目前的規劃如何\n目前跟委員報告就是說我們現在經濟部跟環境部正在研議一個就是深度節能就是ESCO的下一代那目前來看的話我們經濟部的團隊會負責公立醫院、部立醫院那整個私立醫院是由環境部這邊來負責所以我們會針對全台灣的這個醫院的\n現在是8000KW以上的大戶會來進行主動來輔導那小的是未來在做所以這個是深度節能那這個費用不是從政府的費用來而是我們希望帶動民間的資金能夠來幫助這個醫院那細節上可能還要再一兩個月的時間再跟委員報告\n好 因為我們也知道醫學中心那個能源佔用真的是電力的部分非常的高的爬速 將近有八成那在電力耗用裡面空調又佔了55%其他照明插座等等那在要更新啦 或者是要讓這些設備可以更為發揮它的效能真的是也是一筆重大的費用所以我們很期待\n謝謝王正旭委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.853 --> 00:10.158\n謝謝主席：有請彭部長：還有經濟部產業發展署楊署長王委員早\n\n00:18.373 --> 00:44.267\n部長早讓地球可以深呼吸所有地球上的生物可以深呼吸台灣的民眾可以放心地深呼吸我想這是今天要跟部長討論的事情那近年減碳的政策真的非常重要所以我們要走對的路做對的事那部長有多少信心\n\n00:45.845 --> 00:47.045\n關於碳費的部分先請教一下有關於當這個碳費拍板以後\n\n01:08.750 --> 01:25.256\n當然各界反映會有不一樣的一些想法那請問部長在這個拍板之前有跟經濟部這邊有做多少的一些互相的討論那為什麼碳會拍板定案以後經濟部會表達遺憾\n\n01:26.956 --> 01:52.646\n這部分可不可以請兩位簡單做個說明報告委員這個費率的制定是碳費審議委員會來定義但是我們在形成一個決策的時候的確有進行跨部會的協商包含跟我院長也都有報告過這個事情不過最後其實還是審議委員會來決定那其實我也很尊重這個經濟部因為經濟部是從產業的角度發聲所以其實我們也會跟著他們積極來協調討論這個事情\n\n01:54.747 --> 01:56.228\n請問經濟部,你們如何替產業發聲?遺憾跟未來發生中間有沒有什麼連結?\n\n02:18.314 --> 02:32.980\n是,謝謝。經濟部也是碳費審議委員會裡面的一個成員那我們是針對目前各行各業所面對的一個產業環境認為大家應該要可以負擔得起,然後可以用穩健的方式來做處理\n\n02:33.940 --> 02:34.541\n目前我們也在產創條例裡面修法\n\n02:57.597 --> 03:02.319\n了解,所以希望往後就不要遺憾而是如何共同努力往前走好,那謝謝署長\n\n03:26.448 --> 03:37.355\n那再過來是有關的請教部﹖署長可以請回座﹖謝謝探費專款的使用﹖剛剛很多委員都有請教了部長那針對於未來探費預計會有60億元左右的這個探費的\n\n03:43.999 --> 04:00.310\n請問一下部長有列這麼多的層面需要去處理的部分那在執行過程當中目前有沒有計畫要怎麼分配剛剛部長也提到很多教育面還有相關的調適面等等那部長也很用心的\n\n04:01.010 --> 04:24.191\n在部裡面做了這一個這麼好的資料可以讓民眾做參考所以如何分配這個碳費的收入目前部長有沒有初步的規劃報告委員這個其實全球我個人是希望說這個60億放大10倍啦600億就是把民眾的錢這個大家的錢有更好的效益來做使用\n\n04:24.911 --> 04:47.805\n但是這個如何按照氣候變遷因應法的這個原則去定義那這個是要成立一個委員會那目前委員會應該我所知道是說我會來這個擔任這個主席然後來定這個規則請一些這個各方面的委員來參與還有各個部會所以目前的細節怎麼用我們還沒有定那預計明年才會開始草擬這些事情\n\n04:48.404 --> 05:10.513\n好,我們希望這個效益可以極大化那再過來有關於成立基金的部分部長目前也規劃有3個基金可以來協助整體的這些處理的要求那包括綠色成長基金預計預計或者是說會預注100億元那可是我們看到好像要爭取\n\n05:11.872 --> 05:28.213\n那到底這兩者之間有多少的落差那再過來就是綠色金融創新的部分什麼時候有好的平台的產生讓這個保險業者可以把這樣的資金搭上綠色產業那這兩部分也馬上部長幫忙說明\n\n05:28.553 --> 05:47.257\n委員第一個是國發基金我們是已經獲得國發委主委口頭上的承諾他覺得這是非常好的而且他也承諾我說100億用完之後還可以再想辦法然後第一個是這個現在我們正在寫申請書然後因為我們國發基金已經有好幾個部會也有類似的基金所以我們有一個\n\n05:47.677 --> 06:04.223\n很好的方案方向可以去學習可以來進行那我們也會成立一個專案辦公室那預計我們希望11月送到這個國發基金的審議委員會通過那明年1月1號可以來實施所以我們目前是希望定在明年1月1號可以來開始1月開始來進行做這個事\n\n06:05.663 --> 06:20.012\n那至於綠色金融創新是跟金管會那金管會其實他也很熱心的協助我們找保險公司能夠來談這個資金的取得這個都不是政府的原來的預算的錢那目前的確已經還不做的成效但是也遇到一些問題\n\n06:20.832 --> 06:40.721\n就是說裡面的細節上這個例如說做exco做深入解能有一定的風險如何去擔保我們還是遇到一些細節上的問題我們還在解決當中但是這個呢應該未來一兩個月內會有結果那第三個呢因為前面兩個如果完成之後我們更希望的是鼓勵我們國內的創投業者能夠來投資進來因為國際上這種氣候科技這種近鄰的\n\n06:44.002 --> 06:48.746\n國內的創投業者也可以來關心國內的相關業者可以來做這個事情那其實也跟委員報告我們剛剛統計了一個資料我們國內在一些求職平台這種所謂綠色工作的人才一個月平均大概有2萬個新的工作的機會\n\n07:08.565 --> 07:18.167\n從這個綠色這個就是賴清德賴總統的綠色成長的戰略裡面我們是不是可以創造一些新的動能來幫助台灣這個是現在我們環境部面對這樣的一個新的態度\n\n07:18.893 --> 07:41.922\n我們也希望讓這些需求在人力上的供應或者是未來的發展可以更全面再過來就是要請教部長有關於醫療機構減碳的部分那非常謝謝也非常肯定部長在這方面幫我們的醫療機構在這個費用的部分做了一些正向的一種允諾剛剛蘇委員也談到這個事情\n\n07:45.703 --> 08:09.716\n請教一下我們也知道其實醫療部門雖然所佔的這個使用的量不是很大氣體排放佔了0.9可是如果把醫療供應鏈加進去事實上真的是不少有到4.4%那未來在這部分的政策方向如何能夠具體協助醫院來做節能的這個方案不知道目前的規劃如何\n\n08:10.296 --> 08:26.850\n目前跟委員報告就是說我們現在經濟部跟環境部正在研議一個就是深度節能就是ESCO的下一代那目前來看的話我們經濟部的團隊會負責公立醫院、部立醫院那整個私立醫院是由環境部這邊來負責所以我們會針對全台灣的這個醫院的\n\n08:30.914 --> 08:48.411\n現在是8000KW以上的大戶會來進行主動來輔導那小的是未來在做所以這個是深度節能那這個費用不是從政府的費用來而是我們希望帶動民間的資金能夠來幫助這個醫院那細節上可能還要再一兩個月的時間再跟委員報告\n\n08:49.451 --> 09:12.420\n好因為我們也知道醫學中心那個能源佔用真的是電力的部分非常的高的爬速將近有八成那在電力耗用裡面空調又佔了55%其他照明插座等等那在要更新啦或者是要讓這些設備可以更為發揮它的效能真的是也是一筆重大的費用所以我們很期待\n\n09:13.220 --> 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