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00:02:21,171\n我們高層包括我跟總經理還有我們所有員工在內我們都是依據我們國營事業的敘心的我知道你說辦法是有但是你漲了多少嘛40%嘛對不對可是我們基層的卻沒有漲那你想在這樣子的帶領之下基層沒有先漲高層先漲了那這樣子會不會影響基層的時期這是第一件事情沒關係我知道這是觀感問題這是領導觀感問題第二件事情就是想要請問\n\n7\n00:02:24,946 --> 00:02:25,046\n呃...我想...\n\n8\n00:02:39,898 --> 00:03:04,275\n基層剛提到他是依照那個董事長總經理他們關於基層大概依照國營事業去做那現在剛針對於基層也就是所謂從業人員的部分就另外一塊的部分他針對他的底薪還有他的專業的屬性這些的職務的一個特性他就評定那他其實還有一些所謂的那市長就是我其實這邊就是只要未來\n\n9\n00:03:04,855 --> 00:03:32,594\n未來,你是不是應該要趕快想辦法幫他們調薪呢?因為比起其他的就是差很多嘛,對不對?有點差,但是應該沒有差到那麼多有差很多,我剛剛已經說了,比起中華郵政是四萬一千七百五比起港務公司四萬七千多的起薪這個是差很多的所以這樣的工作環境跟待遇就導致新人招不到,舊人留不住然後留不住人才的後果就是比如說台鐵未滿十年年資的員工常年在五城上下徘徊\n\n10\n00:03:33,795 --> 00:03:50,001\n好那其中又以移花東段最嚴重最高升值來到56%所以不斷有這種資深的員工離職也會這樣趨勢在公司化之後有沒有再加重那要怎麼確保行車安全因為你的資深的都留不住啊薪資待遇不好啊\n\n11\n00:03:51,237 --> 00:03:56,721\n所以我要講的就是現在人員年資過短導致經驗無法傳承的工作環境自然影響到事故發生也是有這個影響的和運輸安全\n\n12\n00:04:13,374 --> 00:04:26,522\n那以運安會的這個鐵道安全報告中也顯示臺灣的平交道事故對比照統計定義相同的日本的JR居然長期高於日本的兩倍那你們認為有沒有改進的空間\n\n13\n00:04:29,031 --> 00:04:50,859\n評價道的部分確實應該是一個開放性的真的是有時候其實我們碰到有一些就是不遵守那些交通規則就硬要進去已經警示燈了炸人一下來他還是硬要闖過去這當然所以我們這個要在我們的電路計畫裡面有提到一些如果自由太久的兩三秒鐘的部分他會警示\n\n14\n00:04:51,599 --> 00:05:18,951\n我想這部分我們會再來進行對次長我覺得是這樣當然你可以講出很多理由甚至怪這些人不看這個交通耗資但是實際的數字就是這樣所以我們希望次長我想你也覺得應該要改變所以我們希望可以實質的去討論如何真的改善在未來的數字可以下降那另外我也想要問一下我們可以看到整體台鐵的事件高居不下大概都是六七百件左右那我想要請問一下部長112年到底是幾件\n\n15\n00:05:21,724 --> 00:05:47,939\n一百一十二年的一百一十二年到底是幾件這裡一百一百零八年七百一十五件嘛一百零九年六百三十二件一百一十年七百零二件嘛一百一十一年六百六十一件那一百一十二年到底是幾件因為我剛剛也有看到委員有寫但是我想要問說在台鐵公報年報上居然在一百一十二年刪除了此欄這為什麼會這樣\n\n16\n00:05:50,236 --> 00:05:57,102\n那我上網去查大概就只有分月報表有那為什麼年報沒有是有不想要讓大家看清楚這個數字嗎\n\n17\n00:05:59,536 --> 00:06:23,128\n跟委員報告我們沒有什麼好隱瞞的對那問題是疏漏嗎不公開數字這是不是容我回去查一下跟委員報告好不好好那請查完之後再跟我們講為什麼年報沒有我們沒有要隱瞞是所以我只是提供這給你看我相信這平坦講過去幾年也都公佈那為什麼112年沒有另外準點率的部分\n\n18\n00:06:24,028 --> 00:06:53,123\n我們前任交通部長李孟彥雖然他的任期不長但是他有一項宣示就是說在台鐵今年一月轉型國營公司之後並且進行組織調整就是簡單來講他就是希望效率大大提高讓我們台鐵的準點率能夠從95%漲到97%我想請問這個目標是不是依然沒有改變目標沒有改變不過也要跟委員老實的報告因為今年的天災比較多那我們的準點率是有受到影響\n\n19\n00:06:54,096 --> 00:07:09,354\n是這部分呢我想當然是努力達成那不要亂開支票不過我想要講一件事情我們可以發現所謂的95%的準點率是指單一的這個列車抵達終點站的時候那實際抵達時間如果在表定的時間的一定範圍內就可以說為準點了那\n\n20\n00:07:11,616 --> 00:07:38,991\n對吧那換句話說中途停靠各站究竟是提早或者是延誤多久都不在這個所論上面那這就會造成民眾的體感或者印象上怎麼與統計數字有這麼大的差異那我想要講前面97%你們說統計的目標依然要努力的達成但是未來能不能夠把各站的統計點這各站點的統計數據也都納入參考這樣才可以知道真正的每一站你的準點率是多少\n\n21\n00:07:40,273 --> 00:07:47,309\n是不是跟委員報告其實我們這個準點率是全應該是講說全國一致性的\n\n22\n00:07:48,479 --> 00:08:10,022\n全國一致性的一個做法你現在一致性是從出發點到末端點嗎?但我一直說你中間的這個站點呢?計算方式是一樣跟委員報告計算方式是一樣但是我們台鐵公司我們願意就剛剛委員講的方式我們也會去做統計然後我們來作為我們改進的一個參考\n\n23\n00:08:10,543 --> 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