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00:02:05,057\n採請的狀況也不云不如人那尤其我們現在臺鐵公司的同仁有時候遇到這些刮風下雨還要冒著生命危險來搶救那包含我們的車長的一個背勤津貼、靈鬼、作業人員一些危險津貼跟這個第一線的這個主管津貼也許久未來調整那我想請教一下我們的次長跟董事長針對這樣子的一個薪資結構怎麼樣來做有效的調整\n\n7\n00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:25,615\n避免我們的這個競爭力能夠落後所以我簡單先說明然後再請杜董說比較細節的部分我想針對於臺鐵創業人員的這個心智的部分除了基本心智的考量以外還要考慮到他的職務的特性\n\n8\n00:02:27,256 --> 00:02:46,906\n還有他的專業的屬性去做一些評定的所謂的這樣的薪資那當然還有一些所謂的包括他們現在祭出的記憶獎金的部分比如說你三節出勤我還會再給你記憶獎金那危險津貼其實也有我想這部分大概會努力去做那當然最重要的是要創造這個台鐵的營收\n\n9\n00:02:48,527 --> 00:03:06,864\n把他增加以後,他的有營餘,這樣的話他有辦法讓這個把營餘回饋到員工裡面來。對,市長,這個我們都認同啦,但是我們,客氣我們也我們台鐵自己的產業工會,最近也發起這個全島連署啦齁,要求要加薪,這個事情董事長怎麼看這件事情?\n\n10\n00:03:07,745 --> 00:03:32,433\n是我想剛剛市長也有跟委員說明就是我們這邊一定要先增加我們的課員就是我們本業的收入還有就是善用資產就是我們副業的收入必須要讓我們的營運收入來提升這樣子我們才有辦法回饋到這個我們整個這個待遇調整的一個項目上去\n\n11\n00:03:33,784 --> 00:03:53,506\n董事長這一點因為我們的人員的不足加上相關的調度的一個產生很大的一個問題所以我記得上一會期本席也有特別提過我們雖然現在我們的機場設在我們潮州西部幹線但是屏東的鄉親似乎沒有享受到這樣子一個便捷的交通措施\n\n12\n00:03:54,167 --> 00:04:15,913\n像我們的班次來講,屏東縣的區間車的班次有時候甚至要等到2個小時才有一班車這個非常離譜啦這個機場設在我們屏東,結果我們卻不能享受這樣的一個優質的一個交通服務這部分是不是上一次我會期的時候會有要求我們台鐵公司來做檢討那不曉得這個後續的處理狀況\n\n13\n00:04:18,094 --> 00:04:37,242\n各位委員報告這個部分大概有兩個項目第一個就是我們有去檢視我們潮州以北一直到高雄、台南地區這個班次應該是夠應該是夠那現在重點是潮州以南那這一段的確這個剛剛講Headway比較大\n\n14\n00:04:40,603 --> 00:05:08,824\n那這個部分我們在今年6月的時候我們有增加開兩班車來縮減它的headway但是可能還不太夠了那我們現在的想法是說因為我們增開班次車上每一班車大概也就是三十幾位旅客我們有去看那我們現在的想法是說去看一下真正我們這一個區段的旅客他需要\n\n15\n00:05:09,645 --> 00:05:09,765\n主席\n\n16\n00:05:40,266 --> 00:06:00,528\n好那另外我想大家關心的齁臺鐵票價的一個調漲問題那當然對於這個整個成本的考量也好還有我們整個營運的成本考量也好我想臺鐵目前針對這樣的有聽說已經有在董事會有做討論那目前有沒有進一步的一個進度可以跟國人說明一下\n\n17\n00:06:01,628 --> 00:06:18,015\n這個委員報告我們其實上一次第8次董事會已經有提報一個合理化的方案但是董事會認為不周延有退回經理部門那再做更進一步比較周延的那個研究那現在還在進行中\n\n18\n00:06:18,875 --> 00:06:43,741\n對,所以針對所謂的一個短程、中程、長程的一個票價的部分,是不是我們應該台鐵要提出一個比較有競爭性的一個方案?是,是,因為是要比較周圓對啊,你跟高鐵比好像也有點,跟這個捷運系統比好像也比不上,變成這個都不討好營運上也出現很大的問題,是不是應該做一個比較神聖的一個考量?是,這個是我們要努力\n\n19\n00:06:46,195 --> 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我想剛剛市長也有跟委員說明就是我們這邊一定要先增加我們的課員就是我們本業的收入還有就是善用資產就是我們副業的收入必須要讓我們的營運收入來提升這樣子我們才有辦法回饋到這個我們整個這個待遇調整的一個項目上去\n董事長這一點因為我們的人員的不足加上相關的調度的一個產生很大的一個問題所以我記得上一會期本席也有特別提過我們雖然現在我們的機場設在我們潮州西部幹線但是屏東的鄉親似乎沒有享受到這樣子一個便捷的交通措施\n像我們的班次來講,屏東縣的區間車的班次有時候甚至要等到2個小時才有一班車這個非常離譜啦這個機場設在我們屏東,結果我們卻不能享受這樣的一個優質的一個交通服務這部分是不是上一次我會期的時候會有要求我們台鐵公司來做檢討那不曉得這個後續的處理狀況\n各位委員報告這個部分大概有兩個項目第一個就是我們有去檢視我們潮州以北一直到高雄、台南地區這個班次應該是夠應該是夠那現在重點是潮州以南那這一段的確這個剛剛講Headway比較大\n那這個部分我們在今年6月的時候我們有增加開兩班車來縮減它的headway但是可能還不太夠了那我們現在的想法是說因為我們增開班次車上每一班車大概也就是三十幾位旅客我們有去看那我們現在的想法是說去看一下真正我們這一個區段的旅客他需要\n主席\n好那另外我想大家關心的齁臺鐵票價的一個調漲問題那當然對於這個整個成本的考量也好還有我們整個營運的成本考量也好我想臺鐵目前針對這樣的有聽說已經有在董事會有做討論那目前有沒有進一步的一個進度可以跟國人說明一下\n這個委員報告我們其實上一次第8次董事會已經有提報一個合理化的方案但是董事會認為不周延有退回經理部門那再做更進一步比較周延的那個研究那現在還在進行中\n對,所以針對所謂的一個短程、中程、長程的一個票價的部分,是不是我們應該台鐵要提出一個比較有競爭性的一個方案?是,是,因為是要比較周圓對啊,你跟高鐵比好像也有點,跟這個捷運系統比好像也比不上,變成這個都不討好營運上也出現很大的問題,是不是應該做一個比較神聖的一個考量?是,這個是我們要努力\n那請問一下次長針對台鐵這個票票價如果確定要調漲之後是不是應該針對不同的路線跟服務的等級要做一些靈活的一個運用甚至說我本席之前提過的\n好,這沒問題\n那另外我想針對這個屏東車站跟潮州車站都還是有出現漏雨的問題那我印像上次本席在上個會期提的時候董事長有承諾說這部分是不是已經有開始在做相關的一個工程的進行是跟委員報告像這個照片左邊這個現在不會發生了這個是我們站內那個集水盤\n徐富癸徐富癸徐富癸\n董事長我想這個還是要抓住問題啦因為畢竟像我們屏東站跟草鎮都大概時間都不到10年那出現這樣的一個狀況因為本席也是常客我幾乎很常去做我自己也發現這個很多的包含老人家也好很多的學生也好為了要生活等等很容易跌倒啦真的很危險啦所以我想在這個問題一定要加快期程這個不能再拖下去那我們也希望說把這個修正問題解決之後\n徐富癸\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.236 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03:32.433\n是我想剛剛市長也有跟委員說明就是我們這邊一定要先增加我們的課員就是我們本業的收入還有就是善用資產就是我們副業的收入必須要讓我們的營運收入來提升這樣子我們才有辦法回饋到這個我們整個這個待遇調整的一個項目上去\n\n03:33.784 --> 03:53.506\n董事長這一點因為我們的人員的不足加上相關的調度的一個產生很大的一個問題所以我記得上一會期本席也有特別提過我們雖然現在我們的機場設在我們潮州西部幹線但是屏東的鄉親似乎沒有享受到這樣子一個便捷的交通措施\n\n03:54.167 --> 04:15.913\n像我們的班次來講,屏東縣的區間車的班次有時候甚至要等到2個小時才有一班車這個非常離譜啦這個機場設在我們屏東,結果我們卻不能享受這樣的一個優質的一個交通服務這部分是不是上一次我會期的時候會有要求我們台鐵公司來做檢討那不曉得這個後續的處理狀況\n\n04:18.094 --> 04:37.242\n各位委員報告這個部分大概有兩個項目第一個就是我們有去檢視我們潮州以北一直到高雄、台南地區這個班次應該是夠應該是夠那現在重點是潮州以南那這一段的確這個剛剛講Headway比較大\n\n04:40.603 --> 05:08.824\n那這個部分我們在今年6月的時候我們有增加開兩班車來縮減它的headway但是可能還不太夠了那我們現在的想法是說因為我們增開班次車上每一班車大概也就是三十幾位旅客我們有去看那我們現在的想法是說去看一下真正我們這一個區段的旅客他需要\n\n05:09.645 --> 05:09.765\n主席\n\n05:40.266 --> 06:00.528\n好那另外我想大家關心的齁臺鐵票價的一個調漲問題那當然對於這個整個成本的考量也好還有我們整個營運的成本考量也好我想臺鐵目前針對這樣的有聽說已經有在董事會有做討論那目前有沒有進一步的一個進度可以跟國人說明一下\n\n06:01.628 --> 06:18.015\n這個委員報告我們其實上一次第8次董事會已經有提報一個合理化的方案但是董事會認為不周延有退回經理部門那再做更進一步比較周延的那個研究那現在還在進行中\n\n06:18.875 --> 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我想剛剛市長也有跟委員說明就是我們這邊一定要先增加我們的課員就是我們本業的收入還有就是善用資產就是我們副業的收入必須要讓我們的營運收入來提升這樣子我們才有辦法回饋到這個我們整個這個待遇調整的一個項目上去"},{"start":213.784,"end":233.506,"text":"董事長這一點因為我們的人員的不足加上相關的調度的一個產生很大的一個問題所以我記得上一會期本席也有特別提過我們雖然現在我們的機場設在我們潮州西部幹線但是屏東的鄉親似乎沒有享受到這樣子一個便捷的交通措施"},{"start":234.167,"end":255.913,"text":"像我們的班次來講,屏東縣的區間車的班次有時候甚至要等到2個小時才有一班車這個非常離譜啦這個機場設在我們屏東,結果我們卻不能享受這樣的一個優質的一個交通服務這部分是不是上一次我會期的時候會有要求我們台鐵公司來做檢討那不曉得這個後續的處理狀況"},{"start":258.094,"end":277.242,"text":"各位委員報告這個部分大概有兩個項目第一個就是我們有去檢視我們潮州以北一直到高雄、台南地區這個班次應該是夠應該是夠那現在重點是潮州以南那這一段的確這個剛剛講Headway比較大"},{"start":280.603,"end":308.824,"text":"那這個部分我們在今年6月的時候我們有增加開兩班車來縮減它的headway但是可能還不太夠了那我們現在的想法是說因為我們增開班次車上每一班車大概也就是三十幾位旅客我們有去看那我們現在的想法是說去看一下真正我們這一個區段的旅客他需要"},{"start":309.645,"end":309.765,"text":"主席"},{"start":340.266,"end":360.528,"text":"好那另外我想大家關心的齁臺鐵票價的一個調漲問題那當然對於這個整個成本的考量也好還有我們整個營運的成本考量也好我想臺鐵目前針對這樣的有聽說已經有在董事會有做討論那目前有沒有進一步的一個進度可以跟國人說明一下"},{"start":361.628,"end":378.015,"text":"這個委員報告我們其實上一次第8次董事會已經有提報一個合理化的方案但是董事會認為不周延有退回經理部門那再做更進一步比較周延的那個研究那現在還在進行中"},{"start":378.875,"end":403.741,"text":"對,所以針對所謂的一個短程、中程、長程的一個票價的部分,是不是我們應該台鐵要提出一個比較有競爭性的一個方案?是,是,因為是要比較周圓對啊,你跟高鐵比好像也有點,跟這個捷運系統比好像也比不上,變成這個都不討好營運上也出現很大的問題,是不是應該做一個比較神聖的一個考量?是,這個是我們要努力"},{"start":406.195,"end":421.224,"text":"那請問一下次長針對台鐵這個票票價如果確定要調漲之後是不是應該針對不同的路線跟服務的等級要做一些靈活的一個運用甚至說我本席之前提過的"},{"start":421.664,"end":421.744,"text":"好,這沒問題"},{"start":445.697,"end":469.717,"text":"那另外我想針對這個屏東車站跟潮州車站都還是有出現漏雨的問題那我印像上次本席在上個會期提的時候董事長有承諾說這部分是不是已經有開始在做相關的一個工程的進行是跟委員報告像這個照片左邊這個現在不會發生了這個是我們站內那個集水盤"},{"start":470.418,"end":471.959,"text":"徐富癸徐富癸徐富癸"},{"start":497.898,"end":527.459,"text":"董事長我想這個還是要抓住問題啦因為畢竟像我們屏東站跟草鎮都大概時間都不到10年那出現這樣的一個狀況因為本席也是常客我幾乎很常去做我自己也發現這個很多的包含老人家也好很多的學生也好為了要生活等等很容易跌倒啦真的很危險啦所以我想在這個問題一定要加快期程這個不能再拖下去那我們也希望說把這個修正問題解決之後"},{"start":527.819,"end":528.119,"text":"徐富癸"}]}}},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"sessionTimes":5,"tmpMeeting":null,"committees":[23],"term":11,"id":"委員會-11-2-23-5","title":"第11屆第2會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議","type":"委員會"},"會議時間":"2024-10-14T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"10:52:16 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11:01:19","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部、交通部鐵道局、交通部運輸研究所、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司、台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司及國家運輸安全調查委員會就「臺灣鐵道安全提升計畫」進行專題報告，並備質詢。）","id":155421,"gazette":{"lineno":500,"blocks":[["徐委員富癸：（10時52分）謝謝主席，我們有請交通部伍政次跟臺鐵公司杜董事長。"],["主席：好，請伍次長還有杜微董事長。"],["伍次長勝園：委員好。"],["徐委員富癸：次長早、董事長早。今天我們交通委員會針對臺鐵鐵道安全的部分，我想前面幾位委員都提了很多的問題，本席這邊還是要再一次強調過去整個臺鐵，從以前臺鐵局到現在改制到臺鐵公司之後，包含我們相關的部會也好，包含所有社會都對於臺鐵公司有很高很高的期待，希望藉由這一次改制能夠脫胎換骨，但是我們現在看到，不但是現任人員難以留任，新人招考的狀況更是不理想，像今年2月，我們公司招考了936名新進人員，結果只有錄取了七百多位，尤其在電力、電務、電機這些專業人力上面出現不是不足額錄取，就是零錄取的一些狀況。","在薪資結構方面，除了原本的薪資結構遠遠不如我們高鐵之外，甚至連小夜勤的加班費，高鐵從10月份開始申請單次發放一個人275塊，但我們臺鐵夜點費只有120塊，不到一半，差勤的狀況也遠不如人，尤其我們現在臺鐵公司的同仁有時候遇到颳風下雨還要冒著生命危險來搶救，包含我們車長的備勤津貼、臨軌作業人員一些危險津貼跟第一線的主管津貼也許久未調整，我想請教一下我們的次長跟董事長，針對這樣一個薪資結構，怎麼樣來做有效的調整，避免我們的競爭力落後？"],["伍次長勝園：我簡單先說明，再請杜董說明比較細節的部分，針對臺鐵從業人員薪資的部分，除了基本薪資的考量以外，還考慮到他的職務特性，還有他的專業屬性去評定所謂的薪資，當然還有一些包括他們現在祭出的激勵獎金的部分，比如說你三節出勤，我還會再給激勵獎金，另外還有危險津貼，這部分我們會努力去做。當然，最重要的是創造臺鐵的營收，讓營收增加，之後有盈餘，將來才有辦法讓盈餘回饋給員工。"],["徐委員富癸：對，這個我們都認同，但是連臺鐵自己的產業工會最近都發起全島連署，要求加薪，這件事董事長怎麼看？"],["杜董事長微：是。剛剛次長也有跟委員說明，我們一定要先增加客源，就是我們本業的收入，還有就是善用資產，也就是我們副業的收入，必須提升我們的營運收入，這樣我們才有辦法回饋並做待遇調整。"],["徐委員富癸：董事長，因為人員不足，以致在調度上產生很大的問題，我記得上會期本席也有特別提過，雖然現在機廠設在潮州西部幹線，但屏東鄉親似乎沒有因此而享受到便捷的交通措施。以班次來講，屏東縣區間車的班次有時候甚至要等兩個小時才有一班車，實在非常離譜！機廠設在屏東，結果我們卻無法享受到優質的交通服務！上會期我要求臺鐵公司做檢討，不曉得後續的處理狀況如何？"],["杜董事長微：跟委員報告，這部分大概有兩個項目，第一個，我們有去檢視潮州以北一直到高雄、臺南地區的班次應該是夠，重點是潮州以南這一段。這段如同剛剛所講的，headway比較大，所以我們在今年6月時增開兩班車以縮減其headway，但可能還不太夠。由於增開班次，每一班車大概就是三十幾位旅客，我們有去看過。我們現在的想法是，先看一下這個區段的旅客真正需要比較密集的時間帶……"],["徐委員富癸：我也希望能做量化的統計，我們也不希望因為這個班次……有時候有些地段坐的人及使用量可能沒那麼高，但有些路段、區段，確實有非常多人有通勤、就醫等明顯的需求，所以能不能調整一下班次，做有效運用？"],["杜董事長微：我們研究以後再來跟委員報告。"],["徐委員富癸：好。另外，我想大家關心的臺鐵票價調漲的問題，不管是基於成本考量，還是營運成本考量也好，聽說臺鐵董事會已經對此有做討論，目前有沒有進一步的進度可以跟國人說明一下？"],["杜董事長微：跟委員報告，其實上一次（第8次）已經向董事會提報合理化方案，但董事會認為不周延，所以退回經理部門，需要再做更進一步且比較周延的研究，現在還在進行中。"],["徐委員富癸：針對短程、中程、長程的票價部分，臺鐵是不是應該提出比較有競爭性的方案？"],["杜董事長微：是、是。"],["徐委員富癸：不然跟高鐵比，好像有點……跟捷運系統比，好像也比不上，變成都不討好，營運上也出現很大問題。是不是應該做比較審慎的考量？"],["杜董事長微：這個我們要努力。"],["徐委員富癸：請教次長，若臺鐵票價確定調漲之後，是不是應該針對不同路線與服務等級，做一些靈活的運用？本席之前提過，比如在區間的套裝旅遊上跟旅遊業者合作，聽說成績也很不錯，這部分是不是有跟觀光署做進一步討論，也可以作為刺激國內消費很好的誘因？這部分是不是請次長協助一下？"],["伍次長勝園：好，這沒問題。"],["徐委員富癸：另外，屏東車站與潮州車站還是有漏雨問題，我印象中上一次本席在上個會期提的時候，董事長有承諾說這部分是不是已經有開始在做相關的工程進行？"],["杜董事長微：是，跟委員報告，像這張照片左邊這個，現在不會發生了，這是站內的集水盤容量不夠，我們已經加大，像這次颱風的豪雨，這個地區沒有再漏了；但是月臺上的，因為年代久了，silicon比較脆化了，因為那是要高架作業，我們大概在10月底以前會來進行改善。"],["徐委員富癸：董事長，我想這還是要抓出問題，因為畢竟像我們屏東站跟潮州站大概時間都不到十年，卻出現這樣的狀況，因為本席也是常客，我很常去坐，我自己也發現，包含老人家也好、很多學生也好，為了要閃開，很容易跌倒，真的很危險，所以我想這個問題一定要加快期程，不能再拖下去，我們也希望在修繕問題解決之後，針對整個設計上的結構部分能不能再做一個調整？"],["杜董事長微：是。"],["徐委員富癸：好，針對這部分是不是可以給本席一個書面的答復？"],["伍次長勝園：是，沒問題。"],["徐委員富癸：好，謝謝。"],["伍次長勝園：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝徐富癸委員。","現在休息10分鐘。","休息（11時1分）","繼續開會（11時12分）"],["主席：現在繼續開會。","現在處理臨時提案，請議事人員一併宣讀。","一、","有鑑於東部之交通發展，近10年未受到交通部之重視，尤其是東部民眾仰賴之鐵路運輸，迄113年5月尚未完成雙軌及電氣化，儼然落後西部近20年。然臺鐵公司化後，汲汲於營利獲取，忽略長期漠視東部鐵路建設，此外，一票難求之問題仍未有效解決，在此諸多問題仍需臺鐵儘速研處之餘，卻提出最為不相關之漲票價政策，嚴重損壞東部民眾搭乘權益，爰此建請交通部及國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司，在花東鐵路電氣化及雙軌化尚未完成，且今年度多次遭受颱風侵襲，東部幹線中斷成為常態，民眾必須花費更多交通金錢與時間成本往返北部。東部災區完成復原與完全修復之前，凍漲臺鐵東部幹線之票價，避免帶給東部民眾及外縣市觀光客之衝擊。","提案人：黃建賓　　黃健豪　　林國成　　廖先翔","二、","案由：大台中山海環線計畫歷經十餘年，含山線鐵路高架化延伸至烏日（大慶─烏日）、海線鐵路雙軌暨部分高架化及新建甲后線鐵路，目前台中市政府修正並補充內容，並依交通部建議拆分，預計年底前送國發會審議；另台中山海環線，總經費高達800餘億，中央依照相關作業要點及地方財政能力，軌道高架化中央、地方各有經費分擔經比例，但仍應考量台中後續中捷運藍、橘線、屯區環狀大平霧紫線、藍線延伸至太平、綠線延伸至北屯大坑與彰化等重大軌道與捷運交通建設之財政負擔，建請交通部考量提高專案補助大慶─烏日鐵路高架化、海線鐵路雙軌暨部分高架化經費，以及請交通部加速相關計畫行政流程並儘速審查，並將後續執行狀況書面資料回覆本委員會。","提案人：何欣純　　蔡其昌　　陳素月　　林俊憲　　","三、","案由：交通部已於今年7月2日召開委員會審議修正通過中捷捷橘線可行性研究計畫。但台中地方反映藍、橘線兩條捷運行經台中大部分區域，卻未涵蓋海線清水區，尤其中捷橘線僅離清水僅3公里，若能延伸與海線其他區域包括大甲、沙鹿甚至彰化等地，都能藉由台鐵轉乘捷運，到機場或台中其他區域。未來中捷橘線綜合規劃、基本設計、細部設計與補助款項撥補等程序，尚有充分時間可以努力，若臺中市政府進行橘線延伸清水段的可行性研究，一併納入橘線捷運，可全段一次施工完成，有經費不足，交通部應全力予以協助。","提案人：何欣純　　蔡其昌　　陳素月　　林俊憲　　","四、","有鑑於台中市烏日區2023年登記人口數突破8萬人，移入之人口逐年增加；位於烏日區之高鐵台中站亦為台灣高鐵公司進出人數第二高之車站；又近期規劃於高鐵台中站旁設置大型購物觀光商城已進入開工前置工程，烏日高鐵特區之周邊交通道路規劃已漸不敷使用，經常有交通壅塞之情形發生，未來如購物觀光商城開幕後，交通、人潮必然更趨繁忙，爰建請交通部評估國道一號於高鐵台中站周邊增設匝道之可能性，並與臺中市政府共同研議規劃改善台中市高鐵站區周邊之交通。","提案人：何欣純　　蔡其昌　　陳素月　　林俊憲　　","五、","案由：為儘速規劃並建構台中捷運路網，目前除捷運綠線完工通車外，另有台中捷運藍線、橘線（機場捷運線）、綠線延伸段（北屯大坑、南至彰化）；屯區環狀紫線（大平霧線）、中捷藍線延伸到太平等分別進行相關行政審議與修正程序中。現臺中市政府初步規劃「崇德豐原線」，沿線行經崇德商圈、十四期重劃區、洲際棒球場、潭子地區、至豐原大道與中正路路口，且臺中市政府於今年8月初申請可行性研究補助資料函送交通部，預估可行性研究經費共計2,000萬元，請交通部加速台中捷運「崇德豐原線」行政流程並儘速審查，並依中央補助比例協助，並將後續執行狀況書面資料回覆本委員會。","提案人：何欣純　　蔡其昌　　陳素月　　林俊憲　　"],["主席：現在針對臨時提案第一案，請問各位委員及行政單位，有無意見？"],["杜董事長微：報告，有。"],["主席：請杜董事長。"],["杜董事長微：是。剛剛有跟委員報告，我們建議最後倒數第三行的最右邊開始做一點修正，我唸一下，就是從「東部災區」那邊開始，「東部災區和仁=崇德間完成復原，恢復雙線通車之前，凍漲臺鐵東部幹線之票價，避免帶給東部民眾及外縣市觀光客之衝擊，未來票價合理化方案應考量花東輸運特性調整。」"],["主席：好，謝謝杜董事長。針對杜董事長剛剛的修正意見，請問委員有沒有意見？（沒有）好，沒有意見，我們請臺鐵公司杜董事長再把書面給議事組這邊。"],["杜董事長微：是，請委員簽名再給議事組。"],["主席：OK，謝謝。修正通過。","針對臨時提案第二案，請問各位委員及行政單位有無意見？請提案委員何欣純委員。"],["何委員欣純：謝謝。這個案子是我跟蔡其昌委員共同提案，因為我們共同在關心大臺中山海環線計畫，我記得上個會期曾經問過局長，局長有主動去跟臺中市政府溝通，有關這個山線鐵路高架化延伸至烏日，就是大慶到烏日段，還有海線鐵路雙軌暨部分高架化，以及興建甲后線鐵路，這三件事情，我記得局長有說要跟臺中市政府協調、協商，看是不是可以做部分的調整跟拆解，我想可能有初步的共識，我現在只是提案，希望再確認而且確保，希望交通部能夠在這三件事上面，可以考慮提高我們專案補助的經費，而且第二個，要加速這個計畫的行政流程跟審查，希望等一下再請交通部回答一下，好不好？我們這個案子希望各位委員大家都一起來支持，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝。其他委員有沒有意見？好，請蔡其昌委員。"],["蔡委員其昌：謝謝。有關這個案子，楊局長跟部長、次長都到我辦公室去報告過，跟欣純委員共同提案，其實主要就是透過提案讓部裡面更加清楚我們臺中兩位委員的態度跟想法。主要分兩個段落，我想大家都知道，第一個就是大慶段，這個也談很久了，當時主要還是在於經費分配比例的問題，所以這個部分一定要跟臺中市政府再一次積極溝通，中央願意出錢，依照規定，中央出該出的，如果市政府財政困難，中央依照規定，我們允許最大的補助款，我覺得中央都應該來協助臺中市，但是我們如果要中央全出，這個就是市政府不做這件事情的藉口，我想沒有辦法，這麼多年來就卡在這裡，所以能夠出的我們儘量來幫忙，這是第一個要確立的原則。","第二個，海線的部分，因為當時我要求要從環線裡面把海線的雙軌高架切割出來，雙軌化我們已經進行可研，早就已經做一段時間了，這個問題不大，現在依照進度持續推動海線的雙軌化，但是在大甲、清水、沙鹿三個段要高架化，這個又要市政府依照規定做部分的配合款，盧市長從過去的不願意到現在，我聽你們的講法，他有鬆口，我的原則還是一樣，如果地方政府的經費不足，但它願意出，但經費不夠，我們中央依照規定可協助的部分，我們還是要盡力來協助，也就是說，只要中央可以協助我們臺中發展的部分，我跟何欣純委員都覺得中央就要全力來幫忙，如果中央幫忙了、地方政府不做，那臺中市民自有論斷，我一向的立場都是如此。","最後一件事，時間的把握很重要，為什麼？因為中央直接自己做的海線雙軌化按照時程在推動，但如果市政府沒有辦法配合，那這時候會出現一個狀況，就是先雙軌化好了，再拆掉雙軌化、再把它高架，我想這個浪費公帑，市民也不會接受！關於這兩個介面，地方政府同意高架化、願意支持經費，中央的雙軌化中央全面處理，那這兩個介面之間要把它配合好，這個就是上一次你們到我辦公室時我再三提醒的部分，所以局長這部分可能要多多把握，那欣純委員把它加以書面化，表示我們非常重視這一個案子，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝。針對臨時提案第2案，交通部這邊是不是請次長還是楊局長？"],["楊局長正君：跟兩位委員報告，這個提案我們沒有意見，完全遵照委員的指導來辦理；至於剛剛何委員跟蔡委員所關切的山線跟海線高架部分，確實我們現在努力地按照三個計畫做拆分，經費的部分按照剛剛委員所指導的原則來進行，這個案子我們也已經轉報到行政院，國發會有一些修正的意見，現在正由臺中市政府做修正報告，我們後續會按照這個方向來努力。"],["何委員欣純：好，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝，臨時提案第2案行政單位沒有意見，我們就照案通過。","針對臨時提案第3案，請問各位委員及行政單位有無意見？請何欣純委員。"],["何委員欣純：我簡單補充說明，這也是我跟蔡其昌委員共同的提案，事實上蔡其昌是清水在地的優秀立委，那我是清水的媳婦，所以我們共同在推海線、捷運能夠進入清水。尤其我們現在看到橘線已經通過可行性評估、原則通過，現在臺中市政府還在做修正調整，那我們希望在這部分還在做修正調整的時候，可以要求臺中市政府重視清水地區、納入橘線延伸的可行性研究。我跟蔡委員希望中央在專業還有技術面是不是可以跟臺中市政府再做進一步的溝通，希望臺中市政府……所以我在這裡就寫「若臺中市政府進行橘線延伸清水段的可行性研究」，我希望中央地方大家一起合作，交通部應該全力予以協助，這是這個提案的最主要的精神。"],["主席：謝謝何欣純委員說明。","請蔡其昌委員。"],["蔡委員其昌：我來做個補充，交通部從上一任部長到這一任部長都來我辦公室溝通過，我的想法很簡單，就效益而言，短短的三公里就可以到清水街上但卻只到清泉崗機場，這種專業規劃極不合理、對海線的鄉親極不尊重。所以我在委員會也質詢過，如果市政府這樣做中央要來經費支持的話，本席對這個案子高度有意見，這是一個不合理、不合常規的一個規劃！從前一任部長到這一任部長我都請你們跟臺中市政府進行溝通，你們也都去溝通了，剛剛伍次長也跟我講，都有去溝通了。","主要是這樣，因為市政府已經將橘線到清泉崗國際機場的可研送到中央，也通過了，所以市政府不願意再破壞原有送來的可研，本席也支持，但本席覺得市政府應該同時再發包一個案子，就是延伸線的可研再發包一個案子，市政府如果經費不夠沒有問題，我也跟兩個部長都溝通好了，這一條延伸的可研預算中央來支持，中央來出就對了啦！所以市政府現在的回復是，局長說會報告給市長，所以要請市長趕快來支持，中央都幫他爭取到可研的經費、中央都願意出了！","因為可研趕快這個時候做，到時候施工就可以一起來，就是現在橘線過的可研加上延伸線過的可研，如果兩個可研都過了，因為施工還有一段很長的時間，可能十年以上，到時候就可以一起嘛；如果這時候不把這個可研一併做好，那你要等民國幾年才要來做這個可研？所以我覺得把握這個時間點不分藍綠啦！為臺中市民來做事，這個才是最重要的，我跟欣純委員也爭取到了中央可以來補助嘛，所以我也很希望市政府真的以蒼生為念、以海線的發展為念來支持這個案子。"],["主席：謝謝蔡其昌委員。","請交通部這邊做回應。"],["伍次長勝園：我這邊跟委員報告，我們對這個事情非常慎重，上禮拜我找了臺中市政府來開會，跟他說明關於延伸到清水我們確實聽到很多民意，我們請他再考量一下；關於剛才提到的，這樣的費用交通部願意來幫忙、來支持。他上禮拜給我的初步回應是說，應該會去做。","如同剛剛提到的，如果同步進行的時候，未來如果同時核定，那我就一起施工都沒有關係，即使有差一點都沒有關係，就是可以完成、可以做的就趕快去做，畢竟它比較短，未來真的就有機會一次全部把它完成。"],["何委員欣純：所以你聽到了初步回應是會做，好，那我們期待啦，好不好？"],["伍次長勝園：是，我們會……"],["何委員欣純：我們中央交通部一定要全力支持啦，好不好？"],["伍次長勝園：一定！是！"],["何委員欣純：好，謝謝。"],["主席：針對臨時提案第3案交通部這邊沒有意見，我們就照案通過。","接下來是臨時提案第4案，請問各位委員及行政單位有無意見？請何欣純委員。"],["何委員欣純：我再補充說明一下，這是我跟蔡其昌委員、素月委員、俊憲委員共同提案，我跟其昌委員兩位臺中委員共同關心臺中高鐵站周遭的交通狀況，我上次在質詢的時候部長、次長及大家都有聽到，我們現在真的必須立刻來面對、解決這個問題，當然有很多方法。我在這個提案裡面提到，交通部是不是可以來評估看看國道1號跟高鐵臺中站的連結？這是一個；增設匝道之後，當然還有其他平面道路該解決的，也希望交通部跟臺中市政府共同來研議、規劃、改善。","因為臺中高鐵站人口流量最多；第二個，它有國際展覽會館在那裡；第三個，它有一個未來亞洲最大的大型觀光購物中心在那裡，現在已經在塞了，你可以看到未來三年後絕對會更塞！那我們要未雨綢繆，所以我希望交通部再更積極一點來做各項的評估、來找解方，然後最重要的是，也要跟臺中市政府進行中央、地方密切的溝通，看怎麼樣去解決，以上是我這個提案，希望大家支持。"],["主席：謝謝欣純委員的說明。","那還有沒有其他委員要表示意見？","如果沒有，我們就請交通部這邊做個回復。"],["伍次長勝園：是，跟委員報告，這個部分現在我們知道臺中市政府有在做所謂轉運站等一些交通的事情，這個我們都密切在保持配合；另外，針對國道1號增設匝道的部分，因為匝道有一些技術上的需求，沒關係，我想這個請我們高公局來做一個評估，這沒問題，我們來評估看看。"],["主席：謝謝。針對臨時提案第4案交通部這邊沒有意見，我們就照案通過。","接下來處理第5案，請問各位委員及行政單位有無意見？"],["何委員欣純：我再補充說明一下。"],["主席：好，請欣純委員。"],["何委員欣純：這個同樣是我跟蔡其昌委員關心臺中軌道運輸的部分，我們現在有綠線、藍線、橘線，藍線還要再延伸到屯區；橘線我們剛剛提案要延伸到清水；綠線現行也有延伸往北到大坑、往南到彰化；還有另外一個屯區的環狀線，就是大平霧線。另外我們很多人在爭取，包括不分黨派的委員，大家認為在崇德豐原線、山線，在目前臺中捷運路網裡面，缺了山線這一線，所以希望能夠規劃崇德豐原線，交通部是不是可以支持？這是這個提案最主要的，希望交通部能夠支持大臺中的軌道捷運，好不好？"],["主席：好，謝謝欣純委員。請問還有沒有其他委員要補充說明？如果沒有，就請交通部回應。"],["伍次長勝園：是，我們遵照委員的指導，我們會全力協助。"],["主席：交通部這邊沒有意見，臨時提案第5案就照案通過。","臨時提案處理完畢，如有委員對上述提案補簽，列入紀錄並刊登公報。","一、","有鑑於東部之交通發展，近10年未受到交通部之重視，尤其是東部民眾仰賴之鐵路運輸，迄113年5月尚未完成雙軌及電氣化，儼然落後西部近20年。然臺鐵公司化後，汲汲於營利獲取，忽略長期漠視東部鐵路建設，此外，一票難求之問題仍未有效解決，在此諸多問題仍需臺鐵儘速研處之餘，卻提出最為不相關之漲票價政策，嚴重損壞東部民眾搭乘權益，爰此建請交通部及國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司，在花東鐵路電氣化及雙軌化尚未完成，且今年度多次遭受颱風侵襲，東部幹線中斷成為常態，民眾必須花費更多交通金錢與時間成本往返北部。東部災區完成復原與完全修復之前，凍漲臺鐵東部幹線之票價，避免帶給東部民眾及外縣市觀光客之衝擊。","提案人：黃建賓　　傅崐萁　　黃健豪　　林國成　　廖先翔","五、","案由：為儘速規劃並建構臺中捷運路網，目前除捷運綠線完工通車外，另有台中捷運藍線、橘線（機場捷運線）、綠線延伸段（北屯大坑、南至彰化）；屯區環狀紫線（大平霧線）、中捷藍線延伸到太平等分別進行相關行政審議與修正程序中。現臺中市政府初步規劃「崇德豐原線」，沿線行經崇德商圈、十四期重劃區、洲際棒球場、潭子地區、至豐原大道與中正路路口，且臺中市政府於今年8月初申請可行性研究補助資料函送交通部，預估可行性研究經費共計2,000萬元，請交通部加速台中捷運「崇德豐原線」行政流程並儘速審查，並依中央補助比例協助，並將後續執行狀況書面資料回覆本委員會。","提案人：何欣純　　蔡其昌　　黃健豪　　陳素月　　林俊憲"],["主席：接下來邀請蔡其昌委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":98,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-5","speakers":["陳素月","李昆澤","許智傑","林國成","林俊憲","魯明哲","黃健豪","廖偉翔","徐富癸","何欣純","蔡其昌","廖先翔","黃建賓","鄭天財Sra 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