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00:01:24,731\n我所掌握的資料是像歐美日他們大概是15%我們有一段落差對那為什麼我們做不到呢從實際上來看的話如何手機賣出去如何回收其實還是要從源頭來做起所以其實這段時間我們跟手機的廠商一個一個去談因為其實有些的產業每個產業不一樣像有些大牌的大家常用的其實他們都想要自己的回收體系算他自己的\n\n5\n00:01:25,031 --> 00:01:27,853\n你有訂一個目標是2026年要提升3%提升到大概是日韓歐美的低標啦會不會覺得這個訂的有點太低了\n\n6\n00:01:54,074 --> 00:02:20,083\n因為我一直跟貴部門要一些rawdata來看我想知道說從一開始有手機回收你們來統計這個比率至今可是網站也沒有然後這個rawdata也沒有所以其實不知道你們這個12%是怎麼計算出來的我們這個手機回收月是由我們各業者提供另外就是我們在經濟隊回收的這個數量來加起來的\n\n7\n00:02:22,187 --> 00:02:30,364\n我有稍微查了一下,其實回收的比例這麼低,大概因為管道很麻煩,誘因不足,還有其實民眾很擔心自己的個資\n\n8\n00:02:31,874 --> 00:02:58,587\n因此我看了一下國外的做法在這邊也提供給部長因為你們是AI內閣你們更應該要創新有創意所以歐美的經驗是他們常常會在手機的訊息通知民眾回來回收還有一些回收的管道另外他們的廠商是會開立手機刪除的證明等等讓他們安心還有一些足夠的誘因下一張給您看一下這個\n\n9\n00:03:01,488 --> 00:03:17,655\n手機回收月等等活動內容其實是很豐富的可是呢你知道你們缺了最大的市佔率叫做蘋果嗎?哈囉對這個你知道嗎?我知道可是以前有蘋果你知道嗎?知道\n\n10\n00:03:19,069 --> 00:03:19,430\n委員會主席\n\n11\n00:03:39,446 --> 00:04:00,318\n因為他現在的市佔率大概是24.3%而且很多直營門市呢他持續做舊機換新機的方案他會發現民間二手機的回收量蘋果回收佔了56.3%排行是第一名所以你如果沒有把Apple納進來的話其實你要達到你希望跟國際接軌的數據是很難的\n\n12\n00:04:03,108 --> 00:04:30,027\n對,方委員其實我剛好前幾個禮拜幫家人去換手機那家人手機摔壞了那我去我以前去蘋果他就會把我回收走了那我們去一般的這個通訊行他就說回收率一支300塊那就以消費者的角度來說的話所以這個就是造成說一般的企業他主動像你主席仔細看這個蘋果的這個業績報告他的回收率是他重要的指標對,所以你真的應該要說服他可以跟你配合嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:30,647 --> 00:04:58,502\n但是因為手機業者他是最主動的但是有些的業者沒有那麼的主動這個是您之前環境部以前叫做環保署的時候110年的活動是有跟所有的10大品牌還有5大電信合作這個發布在之前110年的新聞稿中包括有Apple可是現在升格到環境部照理說應該有更大規模更高層級的合作案這個是今天希望可以\n\n14\n00:04:59,302 --> 00:05:24,555\n請你們可以注意的然後未來可以多加改善我們未來會把它提升但是委員提到說能不能有更好的目標我會再跟我們團隊再仔細再討論有沒有更精進的作為這是近期有看到在前瞻計畫第5期裡面看到部長有提出一個淨零排碳氣候法制策略精進計畫只規劃做8個月但是花了1.7億\n\n15\n00:05:26,036 --> 00:05:35,577\n其中主要的工作就是包括建立碳足跡係數資料庫這件事,您知道嗎?知道,這個是我們要呼應國際的要求,有一個冷卻行動的計畫\n\n16\n00:05:37,125 --> 00:05:38,146\n請問這兩個的計畫內容是不是有重疊的部分?\n\n17\n00:06:01,602 --> 00:06:29,229\n報告委員這兩個不一樣一個是這個是範疇三啦範疇三是很難去計算的那這個是這個是冷卻行動雖然名稱上面是一樣的但是針對這個碳足跡還有係數資料庫這個項目是不是您想要再擴充1111更多還是有什麼其他的我們請我們署長跟委員報告因為目前在網站上公佈的這個碳足跡的係數都是民間他們自願性要做碳足跡的這個\n\n18\n00:06:30,429 --> 00:06:30,470\n陳菁徽\n\n19\n00:06:50,888 --> 00:06:51,088\n這是您的網站\n\n20\n00:07:06,884 --> 00:07:29,677\n裡面有14個單位有跟你們合作做這些碳足跡的揭露那當然比如說高鐵或是華航這些有關股為主的單位都覺得是理所當然很能理解可是剛有許多委員提到的台鐵、台電也都是公家機關但為什麼你們到目前只有合作了14個而沒有一些指標可以再往上增加呢?\n\n21\n00:07:30,652 --> 00:07:31,693\n這個早上有許多委員已經關心了,所有這個\n\n22\n00:07:57,884 --> 00:07:59,105\n請這些超標的醫院提出具體的改善措施\n\n23\n00:08:21,605 --> 00:08:37,199\n這個我們跟這個八家醫院都有開會啦衛福部都有開會啦齁那事實上我們也希望說讓他們做源頭管制是最重要的對可是衛福部說跟跟這個醫院不相關您覺得呢\n\n24\n00:08:37,745 --> 00:08:41,526\n那正在環境部的立場你有沒有一些想法對於我們周遭醫院周遭這些住戶有沒有產生一些健康的影響做出評估或是調查\n\n25\n00:09:08,304 --> 00:09:26,952\n這個是我們先對水的部分,他們放流水,然後他對環境的這個影響,雖然說他們現在沒有立即的危害,但是委員提到的所以附近的這個住戶水體的,我們是針對水體啦,沒有對醫院附近的這個住戶的衝擊。對,但是我們調查這個其實主要就是害怕未來這些抗藥性嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:28,450 --> 00:09:54,959\n沒關係,這邊有一個具體的建議這邊有提供部長一個想法行政院近期有核定一個國家級防疫一體抗生素的抗藥性管理行動計畫等等會在114年正式啟動,總共編列了19億元那其中呢,疾管署的副署長羅一鈞就有講到說醫療機構的放流水管理並沒有納入在這樣子的計畫內左院長特別要求環境部應該主動監控\n\n27\n00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:57,561\n此後請我們市長,水保市市長\n\n28\n00:10:16,909 --> 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