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00:00:55,087\n緩緩相扣所以我覺得這麼多委員其實都是關心而且是提醒我們都支持公司化那我們是希望在國人的期待之下臺鐵真的第一個文化要改第二個是我們內部的效率還有很多該做的事情也不能只有著眼於要不要漲價或是著眼於我只要有我臺鐵最多的這個土地的這個優化或是活化或是經營\n\n3\n00:00:56,407 --> 00:01:08,898\n不是只有這兩個選項第三個選項是我們自我的文化改革要求嘛對不對市長好不好那我第二個我要講的是剛剛我提案裡面的一件這個高鐵市長\n\n4\n00:01:13,198 --> 00:01:38,616\n臺中的高鐵站這個流量旅客的吞吐量是全國第二那我今天來班班客滿早上的班次那節節車廂也都客滿那我現在就必須要講的是第一個我們既然已經有大數據知道說高鐵的臺中站是人流全國第二再來我們又是三鐵共購\n\n5\n00:01:40,077 --> 00:01:52,678\n有捷運、有台鐵、有高鐵再來旁邊有國際展覽館未來會有全亞洲最大的購物觀光城Shopping中心但你看這個圖\n\n6\n00:01:55,098 --> 00:02:17,350\n很明顯就可以知道說第一個我們先怎麼檢討我們的交通紓解方案因為台中高鐵案之前在中修連假曾經發生過這個排隊的人龍一直圈圈就一直排到外面去那花了好幾個小時才去化掉好現在我們有紓解的方案有\n\n7\n00:02:18,130 --> 00:02:20,372\n臺灣鐵路股份有限公司及國家運輸安全提升計畫\n\n8\n00:02:34,215 --> 00:02:55,747\n是怎麼樣去做紓解的配套措施在高鐵之外的平面道路又是如何跟地方政府來討論我們碰到廉價也好或者是有重大的觀光的活動也好我們跟地方政府又是如何來談人潮疏散跟我們輸運的配套\n\n9\n00:02:57,147 --> 00:03:12,800\n這兩件事嘛對不對那我先請教次長以臺中的高鐵站為例喔臺中高鐵站的這個進去跟出來的這個出入口的道路範圍到底是屬高鐵公司管還是臺中市政府管\n\n10\n00:03:13,752 --> 00:03:26,351\n怎麼分工如果是以區域的部分是應該是臺中市政府所以現在臺中市政府他做一個轉營站的有在做規劃一個轉營站的一個交通規劃可是市長臺中市政府跟我說是搞鐵公司管\n\n11\n00:03:28,642 --> 00:03:44,090\n如果是整個區域有一個進出來我現在你們權責要劃分清楚嘛才能夠談嘛以如果高鐵站站區內是在高鐵站的站區內的道路\n\n12\n00:03:45,312 --> 00:04:05,846\n站區內是屬於高鐵公司的那那個站區外要連結出去的平面道路臺中市政府對不對可是你知道嗎我不要講重大活動也不要講廉價你請同仁去看看高鐵臺中站在只要碰到五六日\n\n13\n00:04:07,162 --> 00:04:22,019\n他的一樓站區內的交通跟連結外面的平面道路我跟你講擁捨啊回賭到已經到74號上去啦你知道多長嗎\n\n14\n00:04:24,693 --> 00:04:39,950\n問題是到現在我只是說週末而已喔還不是有重大的活動喔就已經是這樣子的湧射了我們現在難道沒有解方嗎這第一件事情第二件事情我為什麼一直提這個\n\n15\n00:04:40,751 --> 00:05:08,872\n我上次也質詢過我擔憂啊我現在連週末的這個永設我都沒有辦法解決了我未來還會有一個全亞洲最大的shopping中心在旁邊你告訴我說臺中市政府跟那個shopping中心他們有這個交通的配套措施可是我擔憂我沒有辦法相信因為現在就在塞了那未來怎麼辦\n\n16\n00:05:10,481 --> 00:05:39,099\n市長有沒有想過這件事有的確實是剛剛講台中站確實是人流真的是最多那這邊進出鐵道因為它整個外面的周遭可以看得出來你看那個就中南港公路它把它就把它竄在那邊它沒辦法再放大除非是跑到對方去一個是國道1號嘛一個是74號東張嘛對不對那旁邊的平面道路呢基本上呢都不太大條\n\n17\n00:05:40,019 --> 00:05:54,710\n對,都很小,對,所以這部分我想我們大概分兩個部分,第一個當然我們會來進來跟這個台中市府來做一個協調,看怎麼去改善,第二個剛剛委員也提到說,我的是不是可以適合閘道路問題,這部分我想我們也會責成我們的…\n\n18\n00:05:57,291 --> 00:06:17,303\n我提供給我們交通部是不是可以跟台中市政府大家來談談看第一個就國道1號的閘道這個剛剛說高工局可以來評估看看第二個我曾經邀請公路局也去考察過會勘過74號線是不是能夠再增設一個閘道第三支建台中市政府的\n\n19\n00:06:18,383 --> 00:06:43,217\n責任有一個計畫道路是可以延伸銜接永春東7路如果這三支建是在高鐵站外的一個中央跟地方大家可以一起合作去增加平面道路的疏解也好或者是高速公路的疏解、快速道路的疏解這是一個\n\n20\n00:06:44,238 --> 00:06:44,418\n總經理可以嗎?\n\n21\n00:07:14,756 --> 00:07:34,043\n總經理現在是週末的時候光是在站區內這個旅客要來接客的接旅客的那個你知道嗎從禮拜五、禮拜六、禮拜天幾乎通通都是塞塞塞回讀到74號上面去這個你有空可以去找個這個禮拜五的週末的時間去看一下\n\n22\n00:07:42,364 --> 00:08:01,536\n因為這個人潮在5、6日確實是非常的擁擠所以現在5、6日就這樣子了還沒有重大活動這個娛樂城還沒有完工現在就這樣子了所以我才會請交通部這邊是幫忙趕快要趕快想因為兩年後那個娛樂城要完工那你只有兩年的時間要找出解方而且要完工\n\n23\n00:08:08,483 --> 00:08:18,252\n那如果沒有在那之前找到解方而且能夠工程完工的話我敢跟你保證兩年後的高鐵附近會寸步難行\n\n24\n00:08:19,850 --> 00:08:44,428\n所以拜託要跟台中市政府一起來做這件事好不好來找解方好不好我們會配合交通部一起跟台中市政府來溝通高鐵公司有高鐵公司跟地方政府溝通的問題交通部請找台中市政府好好就這個區域裡面我們能做的我們中央地方一起來做好不好接下來最後的30秒剛剛提安有提到\n\n25\n00:08:45,348 --> 00:09:08,748\n臺中軌道規劃現在有綠線、藍線藍線還要延伸到太平那我們局線的可行也已經原則同意那我們剛剛說局線我們希望延伸到清水市長剛剛有說看起來接受到的訊息是臺中市政府願意呢延伸清水這一段的可行案要提出來我們中央會補助對不對對\n\n26\n00:09:09,909 --> 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我們又是三鐵共購\n100077\t112678\t有捷運、有台鐵、有高鐵再來旁邊有國際展覽館未來會有全亞洲最大的購物觀光城Shopping中心但你看這個圖\n115098\t137350\t很明顯就可以知道說第一個我們先怎麼檢討我們的交通紓解方案因為台中高鐵案之前在中修連假曾經發生過這個排隊的人龍一直圈圈就一直排到外面去那花了好幾個小時才去化掉好現在我們有紓解的方案有\n138130\t140372\t臺灣鐵路股份有限公司及國家運輸安全提升計畫\n154215\t175747\t是怎麼樣去做紓解的配套措施在高鐵之外的平面道路又是如何跟地方政府來討論我們碰到廉價也好或者是有重大的觀光的活動也好我們跟地方政府又是如何來談人潮疏散跟我們輸運的配套\n177147\t192800\t這兩件事嘛對不對那我先請教次長以臺中的高鐵站為例喔臺中高鐵站的這個進去跟出來的這個出入口的道路範圍到底是屬高鐵公司管還是臺中市政府管\n193752\t206351\t怎麼分工如果是以區域的部分是應該是臺中市政府所以現在臺中市政府他做一個轉營站的有在做規劃一個轉營站的一個交通規劃可是市長臺中市政府跟我說是搞鐵公司管\n208642\t224090\t如果是整個區域有一個進出來我現在你們權責要劃分清楚嘛才能夠談嘛以如果高鐵站站區內是在高鐵站的站區內的道路\n225312\t245846\t站區內是屬於高鐵公司的那那個站區外要連結出去的平面道路臺中市政府對不對可是你知道嗎我不要講重大活動也不要講廉價你請同仁去看看高鐵臺中站在只要碰到五六日\n247162\t262019\t他的一樓站區內的交通跟連結外面的平面道路我跟你講擁捨啊回賭到已經到74號上去啦你知道多長嗎\n264693\t279950\t問題是到現在我只是說週末而已喔還不是有重大的活動喔就已經是這樣子的湧射了我們現在難道沒有解方嗎這第一件事情第二件事情我為什麼一直提這個\n280751\t308872\t我上次也質詢過我擔憂啊我現在連週末的這個永設我都沒有辦法解決了我未來還會有一個全亞洲最大的shopping中心在旁邊你告訴我說臺中市政府跟那個shopping中心他們有這個交通的配套措施可是我擔憂我沒有辦法相信因為現在就在塞了那未來怎麼辦\n310481\t339099\t市長有沒有想過這件事有的確實是剛剛講台中站確實是人流真的是最多那這邊進出鐵道因為它整個外面的周遭可以看得出來你看那個就中南港公路它把它就把它竄在那邊它沒辦法再放大除非是跑到對方去一個是國道1號嘛一個是74號東張嘛對不對那旁邊的平面道路呢基本上呢都不太大條\n340019\t354710\t對,都很小,對,所以這部分我想我們大概分兩個部分,第一個當然我們會來進來跟這個台中市府來做一個協調,看怎麼去改善,第二個剛剛委員也提到說,我的是不是可以適合閘道路問題,這部分我想我們也會責成我們的…\n357291\t377303\t我提供給我們交通部是不是可以跟台中市政府大家來談談看第一個就國道1號的閘道這個剛剛說高工局可以來評估看看第二個我曾經邀請公路局也去考察過會勘過74號線是不是能夠再增設一個閘道第三支建台中市政府的\n378383\t403217\t責任有一個計畫道路是可以延伸銜接永春東7路如果這三支建是在高鐵站外的一個中央跟地方大家可以一起合作去增加平面道路的疏解也好或者是高速公路的疏解、快速道路的疏解這是一個\n404238\t404418\t總經理可以嗎?\n434756\t454043\t總經理現在是週末的時候光是在站區內這個旅客要來接客的接旅客的那個你知道嗎從禮拜五、禮拜六、禮拜天幾乎通通都是塞塞塞回讀到74號上面去這個你有空可以去找個這個禮拜五的週末的時間去看一下\n462364\t481536\t因為這個人潮在5、6日確實是非常的擁擠所以現在5、6日就這樣子了還沒有重大活動這個娛樂城還沒有完工現在就這樣子了所以我才會請交通部這邊是幫忙趕快要趕快想因為兩年後那個娛樂城要完工那你只有兩年的時間要找出解方而且要完工\n488483\t498252\t那如果沒有在那之前找到解方而且能夠工程完工的話我敢跟你保證兩年後的高鐵附近會寸步難行\n499850\t524428\t所以拜託要跟台中市政府一起來做這件事好不好來找解方好不好我們會配合交通部一起跟台中市政府來溝通高鐵公司有高鐵公司跟地方政府溝通的問題交通部請找台中市政府好好就這個區域裡面我們能做的我們中央地方一起來做好不好接下來最後的30秒剛剛提安有提到\n525348\t548748\t臺中軌道規劃現在有綠線、藍線藍線還要延伸到太平那我們局線的可行也已經原則同意那我們剛剛說局線我們希望延伸到清水市長剛剛有說看起來接受到的訊息是臺中市政府願意呢延伸清水這一段的可行案要提出來我們中央會補助對不對對\n549909\t560300\t那我剛剛說我們缺了一個什麼三線所以呢臺中捷運重得豐原線進入三線三層這很重要可行性評估臺中市政府送來了嗎請問一下\n563298\t583652\t報告委員他們申請支付已經送過來送過來我們一定要全力支持好不好是照委員的指導對那臺鐵的山海環線剛剛我們在體驗的時候次長還有局長都有說明過了我們希望能夠儘速的請交通部全力的來支持我們拚年底好不好好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝何欣純委員\n","txt":"市長在進入我的質詢之前,其實大家在關心臺鐵公司化之後,其實公司文化、公司治理的文化跟員工\n緩緩相扣所以我覺得這麼多委員其實都是關心而且是提醒我們都支持公司化那我們是希望在國人的期待之下臺鐵真的第一個文化要改第二個是我們內部的效率還有很多該做的事情也不能只有著眼於要不要漲價或是著眼於我只要有我臺鐵最多的這個土地的這個優化或是活化或是經營\n不是只有這兩個選項 第三個選項是我們自我的文化改革要求嘛 對不對市長好不好那我第二個我要講的是剛剛我提案裡面的一件 這個高鐵市長\n臺中的高鐵站 這個流量 旅客的吞吐量是全國第二那我今天來 班班客滿 早上的班次 那節節車廂也都客滿那我現在就必須要講的是 第一個 我們既然已經有大數據知道說高鐵的臺中站是人流全國第二再來 我們又是三鐵共購\n有捷運、有台鐵、有高鐵再來旁邊有國際展覽館未來會有全亞洲最大的購物觀光城Shopping中心但你看這個圖\n很明顯就可以知道說第一個我們先怎麼檢討我們的交通紓解方案因為台中高鐵案之前在中修連假曾經發生過這個排隊的人龍一直圈圈就一直排到外面去那花了好幾個小時才去化掉好現在我們有紓解的方案有\n臺灣鐵路股份有限公司及國家運輸安全提升計畫\n是怎麼樣去做紓解的配套措施在高鐵之外的平面道路又是如何跟地方政府來討論我們碰到廉價也好或者是有重大的觀光的活動也好我們跟地方政府又是如何來談人潮疏散跟我們輸運的配套\n這兩件事嘛對不對那我先請教次長以臺中的高鐵站為例喔臺中高鐵站的這個進去跟出來的這個出入口的道路範圍到底是屬高鐵公司管還是臺中市政府管\n怎麼分工如果是以區域的部分是應該是臺中市政府所以現在臺中市政府他做一個轉營站的有在做規劃一個轉營站的一個交通規劃可是市長臺中市政府跟我說是搞鐵公司管\n如果是整個區域有一個進出來我現在你們權責要劃分清楚嘛才能夠談嘛以如果高鐵站站區內是在高鐵站的站區內的道路\n站區內是屬於高鐵公司的那那個站區外要連結出去的平面道路臺中市政府對不對可是你知道嗎我不要講重大活動也不要講廉價你請同仁去看看高鐵臺中站在只要碰到五六日\n他的一樓站區內的交通跟連結外面的平面道路我跟你講擁捨啊回賭到已經到74號上去啦你知道多長嗎\n問題是到現在我只是說週末而已喔還不是有重大的活動喔就已經是這樣子的湧射了我們現在難道沒有解方嗎這第一件事情第二件事情我為什麼一直提這個\n我上次也質詢過我擔憂啊我現在連週末的這個永設我都沒有辦法解決了我未來還會有一個全亞洲最大的shopping中心在旁邊你告訴我說臺中市政府跟那個shopping中心他們有這個交通的配套措施可是我擔憂我沒有辦法相信因為現在就在塞了那未來怎麼辦\n市長有沒有想過這件事有的確實是剛剛講台中站確實是人流真的是最多那這邊進出鐵道因為它整個外面的周遭可以看得出來你看那個就中南港公路它把它就把它竄在那邊它沒辦法再放大除非是跑到對方去一個是國道1號嘛一個是74號東張嘛對不對那旁邊的平面道路呢基本上呢都不太大條\n對,都很小,對,所以這部分我想我們大概分兩個部分,第一個當然我們會來進來跟這個台中市府來做一個協調,看怎麼去改善,第二個剛剛委員也提到說,我的是不是可以適合閘道路問題,這部分我想我們也會責成我們的…\n我提供給我們交通部是不是可以跟台中市政府大家來談談看第一個就國道1號的閘道這個剛剛說高工局可以來評估看看第二個我曾經邀請公路局也去考察過會勘過74號線是不是能夠再增設一個閘道第三支建台中市政府的\n責任有一個計畫道路是可以延伸銜接永春東7路如果這三支建是在高鐵站外的一個中央跟地方大家可以一起合作去增加平面道路的疏解也好或者是高速公路的疏解、快速道路的疏解這是一個\n總經理可以嗎?\n總經理現在是週末的時候光是在站區內這個旅客要來接客的接旅客的那個你知道嗎從禮拜五、禮拜六、禮拜天幾乎通通都是塞塞塞回讀到74號上面去這個你有空可以去找個這個禮拜五的週末的時間去看一下\n因為這個人潮在5、6日確實是非常的擁擠所以現在5、6日就這樣子了還沒有重大活動這個娛樂城還沒有完工現在就這樣子了所以我才會請交通部這邊是幫忙趕快要趕快想因為兩年後那個娛樂城要完工那你只有兩年的時間要找出解方而且要完工\n那如果沒有在那之前找到解方而且能夠工程完工的話我敢跟你保證兩年後的高鐵附近會寸步難行\n所以拜託要跟台中市政府一起來做這件事好不好來找解方好不好我們會配合交通部一起跟台中市政府來溝通高鐵公司有高鐵公司跟地方政府溝通的問題交通部請找台中市政府好好就這個區域裡面我們能做的我們中央地方一起來做好不好接下來最後的30秒剛剛提安有提到\n臺中軌道規劃現在有綠線、藍線藍線還要延伸到太平那我們局線的可行也已經原則同意那我們剛剛說局線我們希望延伸到清水市長剛剛有說看起來接受到的訊息是臺中市政府願意呢延伸清水這一段的可行案要提出來我們中央會補助對不對對\n那我剛剛說我們缺了一個什麼三線所以呢臺中捷運重得豐原線進入三線三層這很重要可行性評估臺中市政府送來了嗎請問一下\n報告委員他們申請支付已經送過來送過來我們一定要全力支持好不好是照委員的指導對那臺鐵的山海環線剛剛我們在體驗的時候次長還有局長都有說明過了我們希望能夠儘速的請交通部全力的來支持我們拚年底好不好好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝何欣純委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.434 --> 00:07.436\n市長在進入我的質詢之前,其實大家在關心臺鐵公司化之後,其實公司文化、公司治理的文化跟員工\n\n00:26.761 --> 00:55.087\n緩緩相扣所以我覺得這麼多委員其實都是關心而且是提醒我們都支持公司化那我們是希望在國人的期待之下臺鐵真的第一個文化要改第二個是我們內部的效率還有很多該做的事情也不能只有著眼於要不要漲價或是著眼於我只要有我臺鐵最多的這個土地的這個優化或是活化或是經營\n\n00:56.407 --> 01:08.898\n不是只有這兩個選項第三個選項是我們自我的文化改革要求嘛對不對市長好不好那我第二個我要講的是剛剛我提案裡面的一件這個高鐵市長\n\n01:13.198 --> 01:38.616\n臺中的高鐵站這個流量旅客的吞吐量是全國第二那我今天來班班客滿早上的班次那節節車廂也都客滿那我現在就必須要講的是第一個我們既然已經有大數據知道說高鐵的臺中站是人流全國第二再來我們又是三鐵共購\n\n01:40.077 --> 01:52.678\n有捷運、有台鐵、有高鐵再來旁邊有國際展覽館未來會有全亞洲最大的購物觀光城Shopping中心但你看這個圖\n\n01:55.098 --> 02:17.350\n很明顯就可以知道說第一個我們先怎麼檢討我們的交通紓解方案因為台中高鐵案之前在中修連假曾經發生過這個排隊的人龍一直圈圈就一直排到外面去那花了好幾個小時才去化掉好現在我們有紓解的方案有\n\n02:18.130 --> 02:20.372\n臺灣鐵路股份有限公司及國家運輸安全提升計畫\n\n02:34.215 --> 02:55.747\n是怎麼樣去做紓解的配套措施在高鐵之外的平面道路又是如何跟地方政府來討論我們碰到廉價也好或者是有重大的觀光的活動也好我們跟地方政府又是如何來談人潮疏散跟我們輸運的配套\n\n02:57.147 --> 03:12.800\n這兩件事嘛對不對那我先請教次長以臺中的高鐵站為例喔臺中高鐵站的這個進去跟出來的這個出入口的道路範圍到底是屬高鐵公司管還是臺中市政府管\n\n03:13.752 --> 03:26.351\n怎麼分工如果是以區域的部分是應該是臺中市政府所以現在臺中市政府他做一個轉營站的有在做規劃一個轉營站的一個交通規劃可是市長臺中市政府跟我說是搞鐵公司管\n\n03:28.642 --> 03:44.090\n如果是整個區域有一個進出來我現在你們權責要劃分清楚嘛才能夠談嘛以如果高鐵站站區內是在高鐵站的站區內的道路\n\n03:45.312 --> 04:05.846\n站區內是屬於高鐵公司的那那個站區外要連結出去的平面道路臺中市政府對不對可是你知道嗎我不要講重大活動也不要講廉價你請同仁去看看高鐵臺中站在只要碰到五六日\n\n04:07.162 --> 04:22.019\n他的一樓站區內的交通跟連結外面的平面道路我跟你講擁捨啊回賭到已經到74號上去啦你知道多長嗎\n\n04:24.693 --> 04:39.950\n問題是到現在我只是說週末而已喔還不是有重大的活動喔就已經是這樣子的湧射了我們現在難道沒有解方嗎這第一件事情第二件事情我為什麼一直提這個\n\n04:40.751 --> 05:08.872\n我上次也質詢過我擔憂啊我現在連週末的這個永設我都沒有辦法解決了我未來還會有一個全亞洲最大的shopping中心在旁邊你告訴我說臺中市政府跟那個shopping中心他們有這個交通的配套措施可是我擔憂我沒有辦法相信因為現在就在塞了那未來怎麼辦\n\n05:10.481 --> 05:39.099\n市長有沒有想過這件事有的確實是剛剛講台中站確實是人流真的是最多那這邊進出鐵道因為它整個外面的周遭可以看得出來你看那個就中南港公路它把它就把它竄在那邊它沒辦法再放大除非是跑到對方去一個是國道1號嘛一個是74號東張嘛對不對那旁邊的平面道路呢基本上呢都不太大條\n\n05:40.019 --> 05:54.710\n對,都很小,對,所以這部分我想我們大概分兩個部分,第一個當然我們會來進來跟這個台中市府來做一個協調,看怎麼去改善,第二個剛剛委員也提到說,我的是不是可以適合閘道路問題,這部分我想我們也會責成我們的…\n\n05:57.291 --> 06:17.303\n我提供給我們交通部是不是可以跟台中市政府大家來談談看第一個就國道1號的閘道這個剛剛說高工局可以來評估看看第二個我曾經邀請公路局也去考察過會勘過74號線是不是能夠再增設一個閘道第三支建台中市政府的\n\n06:18.383 --> 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