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00:00:11,321\n好謝謝稍微慢慢邀請我們交通部五次長請五次長鐵道局楊局長還有台鐵杜董事長杜董事長好一件小事先提就是我們台鐵的部分因為山頭大雨可能造成一些鐵路這個\n\n2\n00:00:32,833 --> 00:00:34,073\n吳次長,你有沒有去平溪玩過?\n\n3\n00:00:57,379 --> 00:01:13,937\n平溪我很早以前去過很去過喔對去過去過那你有沒有做過那件事情有有好來楊楊局長有沒有去平溪玩過高中的時候有沒有做過那件事情\n\n4\n00:01:15,765 --> 00:01:43,385\n當初應該是從三雕領直接往上走沒有,我不是講那個,我是講那個放那個東西那個沒有沒有,五次檔有過嘛,兩局檔沒有嘛董事長就不要講啦,這個比較敏感那其實這個就是一個現況啦它可能沒有符合我們的法令的規範但它已經是我們在地的一個觀光在地文化一個很重要的一個元素那我們現況就是去\n\n5\n00:01:45,408 --> 00:01:57,245\n法定上我們去漠視他當然在實務上我知道台鐵有去做一些安全維護的措施那其實針對這樣子長期來地方的觀光文化的一個衍生的在地的一個文化\n\n6\n00:01:58,516 --> 00:02:17,296\n我們有沒有想過要從法律面去給他做一個改善讓他能夠因為他唯有合法我們政府機關才能夠去針對他去做一些合法的安全措施無論是硬體或者是我們的人員的調配我們才依法有據那這部分不曉得我們次長怎麼看\n\n7\n00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:34,347\n從法令上來看的話剛剛提到因為大家涉及到很多管理的問題因為涉及安全的問題那這個確實可能要去深入探討因為這個地方如果這樣的開放其他可能會跟著怕因力來比照\n\n8\n00:02:35,367 --> 00:02:59,014\n那至於剛剛提到為什麼那時候會有因為那時候我的角色還不是在做不是在做鐵道的時候所以我要特別聲明一下那但是因為它這整個現在確實是現場有很多但是如果去我們去強制把它要求去做所謂的監理的部分我覺得又對地方的觀光可能會造成一些是阿它是一個現況\n\n9\n00:03:00,114 --> 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