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00:01:57,206\n我想接下來還是要跟您分享一下我們在之前8月份的時候有受邀到日本參加WebEx的一個日本最大的活動之一那前首相岸田文雄也在上面講了Web3包含AI包含區塊鏈是解決社會問題的重要基礎\n\n6\n00:01:59,006 --> 00:02:15,395\n經濟產業大臣齋藤健也在主題演講當中提出日本正在迎來各種問題其實區塊鏈可能是解決這些問題數位金融解決這些問題的一個非常重要的創新方式日本正在推動自己成為全球創新中心\n\n7\n00:02:16,155 --> 00:02:36,823\n那當我們的鄰國抓住了這些金融科技的一些這個機會想要變成中心的時候反觀我們在臺灣您上任以來說我們很創新很行動但是我們有看了你們上任以來推出的各項政策對金融科技剛剛我們也提到金融兵推其實還是有點不太前瞻想請教一下院長\n\n8\n00:02:37,643 --> 00:02:46,703\n之前一直有傳言說金管會正要計畫組織、調整、要新設虛擬資產管理局。請問目前研議的進度如何?\n\n9\n00:02:47,731 --> 00:03:14,031\n報告委員,我想剛才提到委員確實我們在整個台灣的金融政策最近有一些比較大的不同陳柱委員剛才講的未來整個比如說金融科技的發展是一個很多國家關注的議題那我們也開始在關注這一題因為未來我們從傳統金融走向數位金融的過程當中剛才提到很多的技術的演進都充滿了不確定也充滿了機會所以比如說跟委員報告一下我們本來是我們要\n\n10\n00:03:14,631 --> 00:03:16,092\n那今天院長剛好在我也繼續幫你們爭取一下\n\n11\n00:03:39,326 --> 00:04:06,259\n因為我們的理解是虛擬貨幣跟虛擬通貨都還是留在正期局那我想問一下正期局目前有多少人力來處理虛擬貨幣的業務現在報告委員這確實是我們面臨到一個很大的問題這是我們在處理那個這個VASP的專法的時候陳鵬院裡面給我們13位人力但是因為這個人力要跟市場上在競爭非常的困難我們現在補充這個人力遇到很大的困難但是我們還持續在努力\n\n12\n00:04:07,199 --> 00:04:08,520\n麻煩院長了解一下,因為這個市場非常大,超過兩兆美元。\n\n13\n00:04:25,774 --> 00:04:42,413\n現在所有的美國總統候選人都在討論我們台灣的BASP也就是虛擬資產的業者也成立工會我們這個產業正在正常化可是呢我們這個人力其實還是不太夠那接下來呢很可能一些新創的業者他要去找政績局他的能力也不足\n\n14\n00:04:42,853 --> 00:05:06,839\n他要去找創新處他可能能力也不足跟金控公司或大的企業比起來我想跟院長拜託也具體向您提出要求未來可能會有一些中小型的虛擬資產業者尋求政府的協助我們建議是要去成立一個獨立的而且全責的窗口跟溝通機制去幫助這些業者在發展當中的時候可以比較容易跟政府進行協作\n\n15\n00:05:07,919 --> 00:05:34,606\n這個院長能不能在此具體承諾﹖把緣額也補充足﹖讓我們在虛擬金融、數位金融中心這一塊找一點超車﹖謝謝委員﹖我們這個相關的這個業務是起頭中﹖那起頭之後﹖我想﹖窗口、人力﹖軍管會他會就人力的是不是足夠﹖您具體承諾他才有辦法嗎﹖他會就人力是否足夠﹖能力能不能去﹖如果他說不足﹖院長是不是可以來協助﹖如果他提出\n\n16\n00:05:35,246 --> 00:05:36,808\n今晚會也真的是很創新,10月8日有宣布\n\n17\n00:05:51,361 --> 00:06:09,810\n開放銀行跟券商申請虛擬資產保管業務的事辦。那我們拭目以待,希望據說明年第一季要正式上路,希望一定要準時,因為我們已經落後。所以沒問題,我想這部分我們也是在,我剛剛跟委員報告過,我們傳統金融要轉型在未來的數位金融的時候,我們也要先讓銀行習慣這樣的一個發展,再來就是\n\n18\n00:06:12,831 --> 00:06:17,392\n這個保管方式我們之後再來交流那接下來我想創新其實我們還有一條路徑是金管會一直都有在提的就是現實資產代幣化RWARealWorldAssets\n\n19\n00:06:37,276 --> 00:06:55,882\n那這個目前事辦的規劃不知道院長知不知道RealWorldAssets的具體演繹跟規劃進度如何?有沒有業者提出事辦或實驗?我想這部分也跟委員報告一下因為這也是一個很新的東西我們也觀察到未來可能越來越多實體世界的資產可能透過剛才區塊鏈的技術\n\n20\n00:06:57,202 --> 00:06:57,962\n明年應該就會有一些具體的成績出來\n\n21\n00:07:23,257 --> 00:07:47,788\n好,如果有需要也記得編列相關預算到總預算裡面那提到RWA也要和院長談談這個可能是院長的高度要來關注一下我們的穩定幣StableCoin因為RWA底下其實有一塊就是穩定幣穩定幣並不是一個虛無縹緲的東西要有人把真金白銀放到他的左手他的右手才可以在區塊鏈在數位世界裡放出等量的\n\n22\n00:07:48,268 --> 00:07:48,428\n主席\n\n23\n00:08:02,059 --> 00:08:23,036\n我們現在看到的這些國家﹐日本、新加坡、美國﹐都已經陸續納管﹐而且有的、還沒的也正在討論﹐隨著相關的法案的上路﹐今晚會要提出的這個虛擬資產專法﹐會不會放盡、會不會討論穩定幣的發行﹐格外受到矚目﹐想請問一下院長﹐明年行政院提出的虛擬資產專法﹐會不會討論到﹐或者納入穩定幣的規範﹐\n\n24\n00:08:28,258 --> 00:08:48,657\n報告委員這個因為討論的現在過程還沒有到院裡面來我想金管會會很充分的去掌握跟了解是我想在這邊跟委員報告一下因為我們這個案子確實是我們在上個會期有答應立法院我們今年年底我們會提出一個草案但是我們真正的法案剛剛陳律師院長提到了我們到明年6月才會送到院裡面來\n\n25\n00:08:49,358 --> 00:09:16,253\n有沒有穩定幣的部分剛剛委員提到就是說我們當時這部專法是先從洗錢防治開始出發我們現在走到第三階段我們現在第四階段是才會進行所謂專法專法這部分我們在研究報告裡面有在討論報告裡有法令可能沒有這個範圍我們還沒有確定我們還有經過公聽還有跟各個部會協商我們才會做確定我們現在還在研議中我們跟院長報告一下我們已經幫你做好功課了\n\n26\n00:09:16,693 --> 00:09:33,623\n目前我們台灣只有規範到穩定幣的交易面我們沒有辦法發行其實跟各國比起來已經非常落後了日本已經有可以發行而且他已經有牌照那當然我們不一定要做牌照的制度但是穩定幣在台灣現在是一個薛丁格的幣\n\n27\n00:09:34,423 --> 00:09:56,529\n不知道他到底是什麼樣的存在狀態請教院長行政院曾經邀集金管會跟央行跨部會協調穩定幣規範的權責分配有沒有做過還是有沒有要確定穩定幣的主責機關否則接下來明年可能全世界各國都會發行穩定幣而且是由企業不是由央行這個可不可以來承諾一下將來我們這個\n\n28\n00:09:58,710 --> 00:10:13,647\n金管會所做的任何草案、專法的草案在討論的過程當中,我們會進一步的...所以穩定幣是跟金管會討論,不是跟央行?我想都會,都會討論。會一起討論。都會討論的問題就是不知道要找誰啊?沒有,總之最後專法出來一定會有一個...\n\n29\n00:10:14,748 --> 00:10:29,996\n主管機關現在沒辦法決定,各國都已經,我們要不要再回去看其他國家到底有多少啊?然後我們現在還不知道主責機關是誰嗎?一個新的法律的研議的過程,我們會參考國外現行的例子,來做我們重要的參考,也要符合我國的國情。\n\n30\n00:10:31,567 --> 00:10:45,840\n福和國情是對的,但是這不能當作永遠落後的藉口。我們在金融中心指數排行全世界第73名,今年還降低5分。數位金融中心沒有排名,我們應該要早一點努力要超車嘛。\n\n31\n00:10:47,101 --> 00:11:10,949\n這個方向我們一定會朝這來走我剛才只是跟委員提到比如說有關穩定面跟交易面跟發行面本來就有很多不同的考量我是希望趕快落地下來到底哪一個主責機關院長您發揮您的領導統一跟高度趕快決定如果沒有確定的部會都討論那就等於沒有討論那我們接下來來看為什麼這些問題這麼的重要因為全世界都在擁抱數位資產\n\n32\n00:11:12,749 --> 00:11:28,022\n邁阿密的市長已經領了很多年,用他的薪水領的是比特幣、數位貨幣。路易斯安那州的財政部9月17日公告,州政府計劃接受加密貨幣作為支付國家費用的合法方式。州長甚至說,\n\n33\n00:11:29,143 --> 00:11:57,566\n當今數位的時代政府系統必須不斷發展並擁抱新技術。瑞士的盧加諾也表示要開放民眾使用比特幣和穩定幣來繳稅、支付罰單。這些都是全世界已經發生、正在發生的事情。數位貨幣的應用和研發的新創人才、資訊人才、AI人才是高度重疊的。這也是為什麼日本跟美國非常重視。我們整理了很多各國\n\n34\n00:11:59,027 --> 00:12:22,524\n其實包含瑞士包含泰國包含阿聯酋都有做稅務的優惠去鼓勵大家投入請問院長是不是可以站在鼓勵創新的角度可以給予數位貨幣相關的產業他如果是合規合法的給他們一定程度的付稅優惠打造我們成為數位金融世界的中心可不可以承諾我想一般的國人\n\n35\n00:12:23,183 --> 00:12:24,023\n我向院長報告現在有很多的詐騙集團\n\n36\n00:12:49,096 --> 00:12:50,556\n我們可以看到過去9個月來加密貨幣的議題已經跨越黨派了\n\n37\n00:13:17,805 --> 00:13:24,855\n民主黨的總統候選人現在是副總統他強調數位資產具有戰略重要性\n\n38\n00:13:26,461 --> 00:13:49,407\n特朗普說比特幣要列為戰略儲備這已經是美國兩黨的共識了所以我想要問現在我們有沒有關注到像眾議院的裴若曦跟70億民主黨員還支持了21世紀創新金融技術法案我們的不管是外匯存底我們的一些基金\n\n39\n00:13:49,987 --> 00:13:50,227\n請蔣總裁來說明\n\n40\n00:14:19,060 --> 00:14:44,733\n有關委員是提到就是說中央銀行的外資存底是不是可以考慮來納入這個比特幣不過我目前我跟委員報告我們也有經過審慎的一個研究到目前為止我們還不會把比特幣納入我們的外資資產那持續考慮可以嗎\n\n41\n00:14:45,949 --> 00:15:05,095\n當然當然,因為我想虛擬資產這是一個動態的發展,所以中央銀行也不會說一馬上就說要把這個比特幣把它納入我們的外資產當然要演繹,那院長我們如果要把戰略儲備裡面要納入比特幣,是哪一個部會啊?\n\n42\n00:15:07,170 --> 00:15:19,061\n這將來,到了我們該討論,讓它形成一套制度的時候,當然就是我們這個財經所有的部會來討論,將來一定會有需要的時候,到那個時候,就會有一個討論的方向出來。\n\n43\n00:15:25,427 --> 00:15:35,295\n最後我想說臺灣在人才上面本來是領先的,但是未來一定要您領導統一,希望所有人我們一起打造Web3下一代的護國神山。謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n18455\t21861\t謝謝主席,有請行政院卓同泰院長請卓院長備選\n32128\t53169\t各位早 早 金融韌性也是臺灣韌性的一部分 我們要對接國際那首先非常感謝我們的政府傾聽民意 採納本席的建議在9月30號的時候有正式宣布 開放專業投資人附委託來投資國外的虛擬資產的現貨ETF 包含比特幣等等\n53735\t73964\t那這可以說是我們邁向虛擬世界數位金融的一小步,但是也可以說是一大步,但是這應該只是開始,不是結束,也應該不要停下來。所以想先請教一下院長,我們對於國內的金控公司或國內的企業來自己發行我們國內的虛擬貨幣的ETF有沒有相關的研議?\n74984\t75244\t有機會持續跟上\n96696\t117206\t我想接下來還是要跟您分享一下我們在之前8月份的時候有受邀到日本參加WebEx的一個日本最大的活動之一那前首相岸田文雄也在上面講了Web3包含AI包含區塊鏈是解決社會問題的重要基礎\n119006\t135395\t經濟產業大臣齋藤健也在主題演講當中提出日本正在迎來各種問題其實區塊鏈可能是解決這些問題數位金融解決這些問題的一個非常重要的創新方式日本正在推動自己成為全球創新中心\n136155\t156823\t那當我們的鄰國抓住了這些金融科技的一些這個機會想要變成中心的時候反觀我們在臺灣您上任以來說我們很創新很行動但是我們有看了你們上任以來推出的各項政策對金融科技剛剛我們也提到金融兵推其實還是有點不太前瞻想請教一下院長\n157643\t166703\t之前一直有傳言說金管會正要計畫組織、調整、要新設虛擬資產管理局。 請問目前研議的進度如何?\n167731\t194031\t報告委員,我想剛才提到委員確實我們在整個台灣的金融政策最近有一些比較大的不同陳柱委員剛才講的未來整個比如說金融科技的發展是一個很多國家關注的議題那我們也開始在關注這一題因為未來我們從傳統金融走向數位金融的過程當中剛才提到很多的技術的演進都充滿了不確定也充滿了機會所以比如說跟委員報告一下我們本來是我們要\n194631\t196092\t那今天院長剛好在 我也繼續幫你們爭取一下\n219326\t246259\t因為我們的理解是虛擬貨幣跟虛擬通貨都還是留在正期局那我想問一下正期局目前有多少人力來處理虛擬貨幣的業務現在報告委員這確實是我們面臨到一個很大的問題這是我們在處理那個這個VASP的專法的時候陳鵬院裡面給我們13位人力但是因為這個人力要跟市場上在競爭非常的困難我們現在補充這個人力遇到很大的困難但是我們還持續在努力\n247199\t248520\t麻煩院長了解一下,因為這個市場非常大,超過兩兆美元。\n265774\t282413\t現在所有的美國總統候選人都在討論我們台灣的BASP也就是虛擬資產的業者也成立工會我們這個產業正在正常化可是呢我們這個人力其實還是不太夠那接下來呢很可能一些新創的業者他要去找政績局他的能力也不足\n282853\t306839\t他要去找創新處他可能能力也不足跟金控公司或大的企業比起來我想跟院長拜託也具體向您提出要求未來可能會有一些中小型的虛擬資產業者尋求政府的協助我們建議是要去成立一個獨立的而且全責的窗口跟溝通機制去幫助這些業者在發展當中的時候可以比較容易跟政府進行協作\n307919\t334606\t這個院長能不能在此具體承諾﹖把緣額也補充足﹖讓我們在虛擬金融、數位金融中心這一塊找一點超車﹖謝謝委員﹖我們這個相關的這個業務是起頭中﹖那起頭之後﹖我想﹖窗口、人力﹖軍管會他會就人力的是不是足夠﹖您具體承諾他才有辦法嗎﹖他會就人力是否足夠﹖能力能不能去﹖如果他說不足﹖院長是不是可以來協助﹖如果他提出\n335246\t336808\t今晚會也真的是很創新,10月8日有宣布\n351361\t369810\t開放銀行跟券商申請虛擬資產保管業務的事辦。 那我們拭目以待,希望據說明年第一季要正式上路,希望一定要準時,因為我們已經落後。所以沒問題,我想這部分我們也是在,我剛剛跟委員報告過,我們傳統金融要轉型在未來的數位金融的時候,我們也要先讓銀行習慣這樣的一個發展,再來就是\n372831\t377392\t這個保管方式我們之後再來交流那接下來我想創新其實我們還有一條路徑是金管會一直都有在提的就是現實資產代幣化RWA Real World Assets\n397276\t415882\t那這個目前事辦的規劃不知道院長知不知道Real World Assets的具體演繹跟規劃進度如何?有沒有業者提出事辦或實驗?我想這部分也跟委員報告一下因為這也是一個很新的東西我們也觀察到未來可能越來越多實體世界的資產可能透過剛才區塊鏈的技術\n417202\t417962\t明年應該就會有一些具體的成績出來\n443257\t467788\t好,如果有需要也記得編列相關預算到總預算裡面那提到RWA也要和院長談談這個可能是院長的高度要來關注一下我們的穩定幣Stable Coin因為RWA底下其實有一塊就是穩定幣穩定幣並不是一個虛無縹緲的東西要有人把真金白銀放到他的左手他的右手才可以在區塊鏈在數位世界裡放出等量的\n468268\t468428\t主席\n482059\t503036\t我們現在看到的這些國家﹐日本、新加坡、美國﹐都已經陸續納管﹐而且有的、還沒的也正在討論﹐隨著相關的法案的上路﹐今晚會要提出的這個虛擬資產專法﹐會不會放盡、會不會討論穩定幣的發行﹐格外受到矚目﹐想請問一下院長﹐明年行政院提出的虛擬資產專法﹐會不會討論到﹐或者納入穩定幣的規範﹐\n508258\t528657\t報告委員 這個因為討論的現在過程還沒有到院裡面來我想金管會會很充分的去掌握跟了解是 我想在這邊跟委員報告一下因為我們這個案子確實是我們在上個會期有答應立法院我們今年年底我們會提出一個草案但是我們真正的法案剛剛陳律師院長提到了我們到明年6月才會送到院裡面來\n529358\t556253\t有沒有穩定幣的部分剛剛委員提到就是說我們當時這部專法是先從洗錢防治開始出發我們現在走到第三階段我們現在第四階段是才會進行所謂專法專法這部分我們在研究報告裡面有在討論報告裡有法令可能沒有這個範圍我們還沒有確定我們還有經過公聽還有跟各個部會協商我們才會做確定我們現在還在研議中我們跟院長報告一下我們已經幫你做好功課了\n556693\t573623\t目前我們台灣只有規範到穩定幣的交易面我們沒有辦法發行其實跟各國比起來已經非常落後了日本已經有可以發行而且他已經有牌照那當然我們不一定要做牌照的制度但是穩定幣在台灣現在是一個薛丁格的幣\n574423\t596529\t不知道他到底是什麼樣的存在狀態請教院長行政院曾經邀集金管會跟央行跨部會協調穩定幣規範的權責分配有沒有做過還是有沒有要確定穩定幣的主責機關否則接下來明年可能全世界各國都會發行穩定幣而且是由企業不是由央行這個可不可以來承諾一下將來我們這個\n598710\t613647\t金管會所做的任何草案、專法的草案在討論的過程當中,我們會進一步的...所以穩定幣是跟金管會討論,不是跟央行?我想都會,都會討論。會一起討論。都會討論的問題就是不知道要找誰啊?沒有,總之最後專法出來一定會有一個...\n614748\t629996\t主管機關現在沒辦法決定,各國都已經,我們要不要再回去看其他國家到底有多少啊?然後我們現在還不知道主責機關是誰嗎?一個新的法律的研議的過程,我們會參考國外現行的例子,來做我們重要的參考,也要符合我國的國情。\n631567\t645840\t福和國情是對的,但是這不能當作永遠落後的藉口。我們在金融中心指數排行全世界第73名,今年還降低5分。數位金融中心沒有排名,我們應該要早一點努力要超車嘛。\n647101\t670949\t這個方向我們一定會朝這來走我剛才只是跟委員提到比如說有關穩定面跟交易面跟發行面本來就有很多不同的考量我是希望趕快落地下來到底哪一個主責機關院長您發揮您的領導統一跟高度趕快決定如果沒有確定的部會都討論那就等於沒有討論那我們接下來來看為什麼這些問題這麼的重要因為全世界都在擁抱數位資產\n672749\t688022\t邁阿密的市長已經領了很多年,用他的薪水領的是比特幣、數位貨幣。 路易斯安那州的財政部9月17日公告,州政府計劃接受加密貨幣作為支付國家費用的合法方式。 州長甚至說,\n689143\t717566\t當今數位的時代政府系統必須不斷發展並擁抱新技術。 瑞士的盧加諾也表示要開放民眾使用比特幣和穩定幣來繳稅、支付罰單。 這些都是全世界已經發生、正在發生的事情。 數位貨幣的應用和研發的新創人才、資訊人才、AI人才是高度重疊的。 這也是為什麼日本跟美國非常重視。 我們整理了很多各國\n719027\t742524\t其實包含瑞士包含泰國包含阿聯酋都有做稅務的優惠去鼓勵大家投入請問院長是不是可以站在鼓勵創新的角度可以給予數位貨幣相關的產業他如果是合規合法的給他們一定程度的付稅優惠打造我們成為數位金融世界的中心可不可以承諾我想一般的國人\n743183\t744023\t我向院長報告 現在有很多的詐騙集團\n769096\t770556\t我們可以看到過去9個月來加密貨幣的議題已經跨越黨派了\n797805\t804855\t民主黨的總統候選人現在是副總統他強調數位資產具有戰略重要性\n806461\t829407\t特朗普說比特幣要列為戰略儲備這已經是美國兩黨的共識了所以我想要問現在我們有沒有關注到像眾議院的裴若曦跟70億民主黨員還支持了21世紀創新金融技術法案我們的不管是外匯存底我們的一些基金\n829987\t830227\t請蔣總裁來說明\n859060\t884733\t有關委員是提到就是說中央銀行的外資存底是不是可以考慮來納入這個比特幣不過我目前我跟委員報告我們也有經過審慎的一個研究到目前為止我們還不會把比特幣納入我們的外資資產那持續考慮可以嗎\n885949\t905095\t當然當然,因為我想虛擬資產這是一個動態的發展,所以中央銀行也不會說一馬上就說要把這個比特幣把它納入我們的外資產當然要演繹,那院長我們如果要把戰略儲備裡面要納入比特幣,是哪一個部會啊?\n907170\t919061\t這將來,到了我們該討論,讓它形成一套制度的時候,當然就是我們這個財經所有的部會來討論,將來一定會有需要的時候,到那個時候,就會有一個討論的方向出來。\n925427\t935295\t最後我想說臺灣在人才上面本來是領先的,但是未來一定要您領導統一,希望所有人我們一起打造Web3下一代的護國神山。謝謝。\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請行政院卓同泰院長請卓院長備選\n各位早 早 金融韌性也是臺灣韌性的一部分 我們要對接國際那首先非常感謝我們的政府傾聽民意 採納本席的建議在9月30號的時候有正式宣布 開放專業投資人附委託來投資國外的虛擬資產的現貨ETF 包含比特幣等等\n那這可以說是我們邁向虛擬世界數位金融的一小步,但是也可以說是一大步,但是這應該只是開始,不是結束,也應該不要停下來。所以想先請教一下院長,我們對於國內的金控公司或國內的企業來自己發行我們國內的虛擬貨幣的ETF有沒有相關的研議?\n有機會持續跟上\n我想接下來還是要跟您分享一下我們在之前8月份的時候有受邀到日本參加WebEx的一個日本最大的活動之一那前首相岸田文雄也在上面講了Web3包含AI包含區塊鏈是解決社會問題的重要基礎\n經濟產業大臣齋藤健也在主題演講當中提出日本正在迎來各種問題其實區塊鏈可能是解決這些問題數位金融解決這些問題的一個非常重要的創新方式日本正在推動自己成為全球創新中心\n那當我們的鄰國抓住了這些金融科技的一些這個機會想要變成中心的時候反觀我們在臺灣您上任以來說我們很創新很行動但是我們有看了你們上任以來推出的各項政策對金融科技剛剛我們也提到金融兵推其實還是有點不太前瞻想請教一下院長\n之前一直有傳言說金管會正要計畫組織、調整、要新設虛擬資產管理局。 請問目前研議的進度如何?\n報告委員,我想剛才提到委員確實我們在整個台灣的金融政策最近有一些比較大的不同陳柱委員剛才講的未來整個比如說金融科技的發展是一個很多國家關注的議題那我們也開始在關注這一題因為未來我們從傳統金融走向數位金融的過程當中剛才提到很多的技術的演進都充滿了不確定也充滿了機會所以比如說跟委員報告一下我們本來是我們要\n那今天院長剛好在 我也繼續幫你們爭取一下\n因為我們的理解是虛擬貨幣跟虛擬通貨都還是留在正期局那我想問一下正期局目前有多少人力來處理虛擬貨幣的業務現在報告委員這確實是我們面臨到一個很大的問題這是我們在處理那個這個VASP的專法的時候陳鵬院裡面給我們13位人力但是因為這個人力要跟市場上在競爭非常的困難我們現在補充這個人力遇到很大的困難但是我們還持續在努力\n麻煩院長了解一下,因為這個市場非常大,超過兩兆美元。\n現在所有的美國總統候選人都在討論我們台灣的BASP也就是虛擬資產的業者也成立工會我們這個產業正在正常化可是呢我們這個人力其實還是不太夠那接下來呢很可能一些新創的業者他要去找政績局他的能力也不足\n他要去找創新處他可能能力也不足跟金控公司或大的企業比起來我想跟院長拜託也具體向您提出要求未來可能會有一些中小型的虛擬資產業者尋求政府的協助我們建議是要去成立一個獨立的而且全責的窗口跟溝通機制去幫助這些業者在發展當中的時候可以比較容易跟政府進行協作\n這個院長能不能在此具體承諾﹖把緣額也補充足﹖讓我們在虛擬金融、數位金融中心這一塊找一點超車﹖謝謝委員﹖我們這個相關的這個業務是起頭中﹖那起頭之後﹖我想﹖窗口、人力﹖軍管會他會就人力的是不是足夠﹖您具體承諾他才有辦法嗎﹖他會就人力是否足夠﹖能力能不能去﹖如果他說不足﹖院長是不是可以來協助﹖如果他提出\n今晚會也真的是很創新,10月8日有宣布\n開放銀行跟券商申請虛擬資產保管業務的事辦。 那我們拭目以待,希望據說明年第一季要正式上路,希望一定要準時,因為我們已經落後。所以沒問題,我想這部分我們也是在,我剛剛跟委員報告過,我們傳統金融要轉型在未來的數位金融的時候,我們也要先讓銀行習慣這樣的一個發展,再來就是\n這個保管方式我們之後再來交流那接下來我想創新其實我們還有一條路徑是金管會一直都有在提的就是現實資產代幣化RWA Real World Assets\n那這個目前事辦的規劃不知道院長知不知道Real World Assets的具體演繹跟規劃進度如何?有沒有業者提出事辦或實驗?我想這部分也跟委員報告一下因為這也是一個很新的東西我們也觀察到未來可能越來越多實體世界的資產可能透過剛才區塊鏈的技術\n明年應該就會有一些具體的成績出來\n好,如果有需要也記得編列相關預算到總預算裡面那提到RWA也要和院長談談這個可能是院長的高度要來關注一下我們的穩定幣Stable Coin因為RWA底下其實有一塊就是穩定幣穩定幣並不是一個虛無縹緲的東西要有人把真金白銀放到他的左手他的右手才可以在區塊鏈在數位世界裡放出等量的\n主席\n我們現在看到的這些國家﹐日本、新加坡、美國﹐都已經陸續納管﹐而且有的、還沒的也正在討論﹐隨著相關的法案的上路﹐今晚會要提出的這個虛擬資產專法﹐會不會放盡、會不會討論穩定幣的發行﹐格外受到矚目﹐想請問一下院長﹐明年行政院提出的虛擬資產專法﹐會不會討論到﹐或者納入穩定幣的規範﹐\n報告委員 這個因為討論的現在過程還沒有到院裡面來我想金管會會很充分的去掌握跟了解是 我想在這邊跟委員報告一下因為我們這個案子確實是我們在上個會期有答應立法院我們今年年底我們會提出一個草案但是我們真正的法案剛剛陳律師院長提到了我們到明年6月才會送到院裡面來\n有沒有穩定幣的部分剛剛委員提到就是說我們當時這部專法是先從洗錢防治開始出發我們現在走到第三階段我們現在第四階段是才會進行所謂專法專法這部分我們在研究報告裡面有在討論報告裡有法令可能沒有這個範圍我們還沒有確定我們還有經過公聽還有跟各個部會協商我們才會做確定我們現在還在研議中我們跟院長報告一下我們已經幫你做好功課了\n目前我們台灣只有規範到穩定幣的交易面我們沒有辦法發行其實跟各國比起來已經非常落後了日本已經有可以發行而且他已經有牌照那當然我們不一定要做牌照的制度但是穩定幣在台灣現在是一個薛丁格的幣\n不知道他到底是什麼樣的存在狀態請教院長行政院曾經邀集金管會跟央行跨部會協調穩定幣規範的權責分配有沒有做過還是有沒有要確定穩定幣的主責機關否則接下來明年可能全世界各國都會發行穩定幣而且是由企業不是由央行這個可不可以來承諾一下將來我們這個\n金管會所做的任何草案、專法的草案在討論的過程當中,我們會進一步的...所以穩定幣是跟金管會討論,不是跟央行?我想都會,都會討論。會一起討論。都會討論的問題就是不知道要找誰啊?沒有,總之最後專法出來一定會有一個...\n主管機關現在沒辦法決定,各國都已經,我們要不要再回去看其他國家到底有多少啊?然後我們現在還不知道主責機關是誰嗎?一個新的法律的研議的過程,我們會參考國外現行的例子,來做我們重要的參考,也要符合我國的國情。\n福和國情是對的,但是這不能當作永遠落後的藉口。我們在金融中心指數排行全世界第73名,今年還降低5分。數位金融中心沒有排名,我們應該要早一點努力要超車嘛。\n這個方向我們一定會朝這來走我剛才只是跟委員提到比如說有關穩定面跟交易面跟發行面本來就有很多不同的考量我是希望趕快落地下來到底哪一個主責機關院長您發揮您的領導統一跟高度趕快決定如果沒有確定的部會都討論那就等於沒有討論那我們接下來來看為什麼這些問題這麼的重要因為全世界都在擁抱數位資產\n邁阿密的市長已經領了很多年,用他的薪水領的是比特幣、數位貨幣。 路易斯安那州的財政部9月17日公告,州政府計劃接受加密貨幣作為支付國家費用的合法方式。 州長甚至說,\n當今數位的時代政府系統必須不斷發展並擁抱新技術。 瑞士的盧加諾也表示要開放民眾使用比特幣和穩定幣來繳稅、支付罰單。 這些都是全世界已經發生、正在發生的事情。 數位貨幣的應用和研發的新創人才、資訊人才、AI人才是高度重疊的。 這也是為什麼日本跟美國非常重視。 我們整理了很多各國\n其實包含瑞士包含泰國包含阿聯酋都有做稅務的優惠去鼓勵大家投入請問院長是不是可以站在鼓勵創新的角度可以給予數位貨幣相關的產業他如果是合規合法的給他們一定程度的付稅優惠打造我們成為數位金融世界的中心可不可以承諾我想一般的國人\n我向院長報告 現在有很多的詐騙集團\n我們可以看到過去9個月來加密貨幣的議題已經跨越黨派了\n民主黨的總統候選人現在是副總統他強調數位資產具有戰略重要性\n特朗普說比特幣要列為戰略儲備這已經是美國兩黨的共識了所以我想要問現在我們有沒有關注到像眾議院的裴若曦跟70億民主黨員還支持了21世紀創新金融技術法案我們的不管是外匯存底我們的一些基金\n請蔣總裁來說明\n有關委員是提到就是說中央銀行的外資存底是不是可以考慮來納入這個比特幣不過我目前我跟委員報告我們也有經過審慎的一個研究到目前為止我們還不會把比特幣納入我們的外資資產那持續考慮可以嗎\n當然當然,因為我想虛擬資產這是一個動態的發展,所以中央銀行也不會說一馬上就說要把這個比特幣把它納入我們的外資產當然要演繹,那院長我們如果要把戰略儲備裡面要納入比特幣,是哪一個部會啊?\n這將來,到了我們該討論,讓它形成一套制度的時候,當然就是我們這個財經所有的部會來討論,將來一定會有需要的時候,到那個時候,就會有一個討論的方向出來。\n最後我想說臺灣在人才上面本來是領先的,但是未來一定要您領導統一,希望所有人我們一起打造Web3下一代的護國神山。謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:18.455 --> 00:21.861\n謝謝主席,有請行政院卓同泰院長請卓院長備選\n\n00:32.128 --> 00:53.169\n各位早早金融韌性也是臺灣韌性的一部分我們要對接國際那首先非常感謝我們的政府傾聽民意採納本席的建議在9月30號的時候有正式宣布開放專業投資人附委託來投資國外的虛擬資產的現貨ETF包含比特幣等等\n\n00:53.735 --> 01:13.964\n那這可以說是我們邁向虛擬世界數位金融的一小步,但是也可以說是一大步,但是這應該只是開始,不是結束,也應該不要停下來。所以想先請教一下院長,我們對於國內的金控公司或國內的企業來自己發行我們國內的虛擬貨幣的ETF有沒有相關的研議?\n\n01:14.984 --> 01:15.244\n有機會持續跟上\n\n01:36.696 --> 01:57.206\n我想接下來還是要跟您分享一下我們在之前8月份的時候有受邀到日本參加WebEx的一個日本最大的活動之一那前首相岸田文雄也在上面講了Web3包含AI包含區塊鏈是解決社會問題的重要基礎\n\n01:59.006 --> 02:15.395\n經濟產業大臣齋藤健也在主題演講當中提出日本正在迎來各種問題其實區塊鏈可能是解決這些問題數位金融解決這些問題的一個非常重要的創新方式日本正在推動自己成為全球創新中心\n\n02:16.155 --> 02:36.823\n那當我們的鄰國抓住了這些金融科技的一些這個機會想要變成中心的時候反觀我們在臺灣您上任以來說我們很創新很行動但是我們有看了你們上任以來推出的各項政策對金融科技剛剛我們也提到金融兵推其實還是有點不太前瞻想請教一下院長\n\n02:37.643 --> 02:46.703\n之前一直有傳言說金管會正要計畫組織、調整、要新設虛擬資產管理局。請問目前研議的進度如何?\n\n02:47.731 --> 03:14.031\n報告委員,我想剛才提到委員確實我們在整個台灣的金融政策最近有一些比較大的不同陳柱委員剛才講的未來整個比如說金融科技的發展是一個很多國家關注的議題那我們也開始在關注這一題因為未來我們從傳統金融走向數位金融的過程當中剛才提到很多的技術的演進都充滿了不確定也充滿了機會所以比如說跟委員報告一下我們本來是我們要\n\n03:14.631 --> 03:16.092\n那今天院長剛好在我也繼續幫你們爭取一下\n\n03:39.326 --> 04:06.259\n因為我們的理解是虛擬貨幣跟虛擬通貨都還是留在正期局那我想問一下正期局目前有多少人力來處理虛擬貨幣的業務現在報告委員這確實是我們面臨到一個很大的問題這是我們在處理那個這個VASP的專法的時候陳鵬院裡面給我們13位人力但是因為這個人力要跟市場上在競爭非常的困難我們現在補充這個人力遇到很大的困難但是我們還持續在努力\n\n04:07.199 --> 04:08.520\n麻煩院長了解一下,因為這個市場非常大,超過兩兆美元。\n\n04:25.774 --> 04:42.413\n現在所有的美國總統候選人都在討論我們台灣的BASP也就是虛擬資產的業者也成立工會我們這個產業正在正常化可是呢我們這個人力其實還是不太夠那接下來呢很可能一些新創的業者他要去找政績局他的能力也不足\n\n04:42.853 --> 05:06.839\n他要去找創新處他可能能力也不足跟金控公司或大的企業比起來我想跟院長拜託也具體向您提出要求未來可能會有一些中小型的虛擬資產業者尋求政府的協助我們建議是要去成立一個獨立的而且全責的窗口跟溝通機制去幫助這些業者在發展當中的時候可以比較容易跟政府進行協作\n\n05:07.919 --> 05:34.606\n這個院長能不能在此具體承諾﹖把緣額也補充足﹖讓我們在虛擬金融、數位金融中心這一塊找一點超車﹖謝謝委員﹖我們這個相關的這個業務是起頭中﹖那起頭之後﹖我想﹖窗口、人力﹖軍管會他會就人力的是不是足夠﹖您具體承諾他才有辦法嗎﹖他會就人力是否足夠﹖能力能不能去﹖如果他說不足﹖院長是不是可以來協助﹖如果他提出\n\n05:35.246 --> 05:36.808\n今晚會也真的是很創新,10月8日有宣布\n\n05:51.361 --> 06:09.810\n開放銀行跟券商申請虛擬資產保管業務的事辦。那我們拭目以待,希望據說明年第一季要正式上路,希望一定要準時,因為我們已經落後。所以沒問題,我想這部分我們也是在,我剛剛跟委員報告過,我們傳統金融要轉型在未來的數位金融的時候,我們也要先讓銀行習慣這樣的一個發展,再來就是\n\n06:12.831 --> 06:17.392\n這個保管方式我們之後再來交流那接下來我想創新其實我們還有一條路徑是金管會一直都有在提的就是現實資產代幣化RWARealWorldAssets\n\n06:37.276 --> 06:55.882\n那這個目前事辦的規劃不知道院長知不知道RealWorldAssets的具體演繹跟規劃進度如何?有沒有業者提出事辦或實驗?我想這部分也跟委員報告一下因為這也是一個很新的東西我們也觀察到未來可能越來越多實體世界的資產可能透過剛才區塊鏈的技術\n\n06:57.202 --> 06:57.962\n明年應該就會有一些具體的成績出來\n\n07:23.257 --> 07:47.788\n好,如果有需要也記得編列相關預算到總預算裡面那提到RWA也要和院長談談這個可能是院長的高度要來關注一下我們的穩定幣StableCoin因為RWA底下其實有一塊就是穩定幣穩定幣並不是一個虛無縹緲的東西要有人把真金白銀放到他的左手他的右手才可以在區塊鏈在數位世界裡放出等量的\n\n07:48.268 --> 07:48.428\n主席\n\n08:02.059 --> 08:23.036\n我們現在看到的這些國家﹐日本、新加坡、美國﹐都已經陸續納管﹐而且有的、還沒的也正在討論﹐隨著相關的法案的上路﹐今晚會要提出的這個虛擬資產專法﹐會不會放盡、會不會討論穩定幣的發行﹐格外受到矚目﹐想請問一下院長﹐明年行政院提出的虛擬資產專法﹐會不會討論到﹐或者納入穩定幣的規範﹐\n\n08:28.258 --> 08:48.657\n報告委員這個因為討論的現在過程還沒有到院裡面來我想金管會會很充分的去掌握跟了解是我想在這邊跟委員報告一下因為我們這個案子確實是我們在上個會期有答應立法院我們今年年底我們會提出一個草案但是我們真正的法案剛剛陳律師院長提到了我們到明年6月才會送到院裡面來\n\n08:49.358 --> 09:16.253\n有沒有穩定幣的部分剛剛委員提到就是說我們當時這部專法是先從洗錢防治開始出發我們現在走到第三階段我們現在第四階段是才會進行所謂專法專法這部分我們在研究報告裡面有在討論報告裡有法令可能沒有這個範圍我們還沒有確定我們還有經過公聽還有跟各個部會協商我們才會做確定我們現在還在研議中我們跟院長報告一下我們已經幫你做好功課了\n\n09:16.693 --> 09:33.623\n目前我們台灣只有規範到穩定幣的交易面我們沒有辦法發行其實跟各國比起來已經非常落後了日本已經有可以發行而且他已經有牌照那當然我們不一定要做牌照的制度但是穩定幣在台灣現在是一個薛丁格的幣\n\n09:34.423 --> 09:56.529\n不知道他到底是什麼樣的存在狀態請教院長行政院曾經邀集金管會跟央行跨部會協調穩定幣規範的權責分配有沒有做過還是有沒有要確定穩定幣的主責機關否則接下來明年可能全世界各國都會發行穩定幣而且是由企業不是由央行這個可不可以來承諾一下將來我們這個\n\n09:58.710 --> 10:13.647\n金管會所做的任何草案、專法的草案在討論的過程當中,我們會進一步的...所以穩定幣是跟金管會討論,不是跟央行?我想都會,都會討論。會一起討論。都會討論的問題就是不知道要找誰啊?沒有,總之最後專法出來一定會有一個...\n\n10:14.748 --> 10:29.996\n主管機關現在沒辦法決定,各國都已經,我們要不要再回去看其他國家到底有多少啊?然後我們現在還不知道主責機關是誰嗎?一個新的法律的研議的過程,我們會參考國外現行的例子,來做我們重要的參考,也要符合我國的國情。\n\n10:31.567 --> 10:45.840\n福和國情是對的,但是這不能當作永遠落後的藉口。我們在金融中心指數排行全世界第73名,今年還降低5分。數位金融中心沒有排名,我們應該要早一點努力要超車嘛。\n\n10:47.101 --> 11:10.949\n這個方向我們一定會朝這來走我剛才只是跟委員提到比如說有關穩定面跟交易面跟發行面本來就有很多不同的考量我是希望趕快落地下來到底哪一個主責機關院長您發揮您的領導統一跟高度趕快決定如果沒有確定的部會都討論那就等於沒有討論那我們接下來來看為什麼這些問題這麼的重要因為全世界都在擁抱數位資產\n\n11:12.749 --> 11:28.022\n邁阿密的市長已經領了很多年,用他的薪水領的是比特幣、數位貨幣。路易斯安那州的財政部9月17日公告,州政府計劃接受加密貨幣作為支付國家費用的合法方式。州長甚至說,\n\n11:29.143 --> 11:57.566\n當今數位的時代政府系統必須不斷發展並擁抱新技術。瑞士的盧加諾也表示要開放民眾使用比特幣和穩定幣來繳稅、支付罰單。這些都是全世界已經發生、正在發生的事情。數位貨幣的應用和研發的新創人才、資訊人才、AI人才是高度重疊的。這也是為什麼日本跟美國非常重視。我們整理了很多各國\n\n11:59.027 --> 12:22.524\n其實包含瑞士包含泰國包含阿聯酋都有做稅務的優惠去鼓勵大家投入請問院長是不是可以站在鼓勵創新的角度可以給予數位貨幣相關的產業他如果是合規合法的給他們一定程度的付稅優惠打造我們成為數位金融世界的中心可不可以承諾我想一般的國人\n\n12:23.183 --> 12:24.023\n我向院長報告現在有很多的詐騙集團\n\n12:49.096 --> 12:50.556\n我們可以看到過去9個月來加密貨幣的議題已經跨越黨派了\n\n13:17.805 --> 13:24.855\n民主黨的總統候選人現在是副總統他強調數位資產具有戰略重要性\n\n13:26.461 --> 13:49.407\n特朗普說比特幣要列為戰略儲備這已經是美國兩黨的共識了所以我想要問現在我們有沒有關注到像眾議院的裴若曦跟70億民主黨員還支持了21世紀創新金融技術法案我們的不管是外匯存底我們的一些基金\n\n13:49.987 --> 13:50.227\n請蔣總裁來說明\n\n14:19.060 --> 14:44.733\n有關委員是提到就是說中央銀行的外資存底是不是可以考慮來納入這個比特幣不過我目前我跟委員報告我們也有經過審慎的一個研究到目前為止我們還不會把比特幣納入我們的外資資產那持續考慮可以嗎\n\n14:45.949 --> 15:05.095\n當然當然,因為我想虛擬資產這是一個動態的發展,所以中央銀行也不會說一馬上就說要把這個比特幣把它納入我們的外資產當然要演繹,那院長我們如果要把戰略儲備裡面要納入比特幣,是哪一個部會啊?\n\n15:07.170 --> 15:19.061\n這將來,到了我們該討論,讓它形成一套制度的時候,當然就是我們這個財經所有的部會來討論,將來一定會有需要的時候,到那個時候,就會有一個討論的方向出來。\n\n15:25.427 --> 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請問目前研議的進度如何?"},{"start":167.731,"end":194.031,"text":"報告委員,我想剛才提到委員確實我們在整個台灣的金融政策最近有一些比較大的不同陳柱委員剛才講的未來整個比如說金融科技的發展是一個很多國家關注的議題那我們也開始在關注這一題因為未來我們從傳統金融走向數位金融的過程當中剛才提到很多的技術的演進都充滿了不確定也充滿了機會所以比如說跟委員報告一下我們本來是我們要"},{"start":194.631,"end":196.092,"text":"那今天院長剛好在 我也繼續幫你們爭取一下"},{"start":219.326,"end":246.259,"text":"因為我們的理解是虛擬貨幣跟虛擬通貨都還是留在正期局那我想問一下正期局目前有多少人力來處理虛擬貨幣的業務現在報告委員這確實是我們面臨到一個很大的問題這是我們在處理那個這個VASP的專法的時候陳鵬院裡面給我們13位人力但是因為這個人力要跟市場上在競爭非常的困難我們現在補充這個人力遇到很大的困難但是我們還持續在努力"},{"start":247.199,"end":248.52,"text":"麻煩院長了解一下,因為這個市場非常大,超過兩兆美元。"},{"start":265.774,"end":282.413,"text":"現在所有的美國總統候選人都在討論我們台灣的BASP也就是虛擬資產的業者也成立工會我們這個產業正在正常化可是呢我們這個人力其實還是不太夠那接下來呢很可能一些新創的業者他要去找政績局他的能力也不足"},{"start":282.853,"end":306.839,"text":"他要去找創新處他可能能力也不足跟金控公司或大的企業比起來我想跟院長拜託也具體向您提出要求未來可能會有一些中小型的虛擬資產業者尋求政府的協助我們建議是要去成立一個獨立的而且全責的窗口跟溝通機制去幫助這些業者在發展當中的時候可以比較容易跟政府進行協作"},{"start":307.919,"end":334.606,"text":"這個院長能不能在此具體承諾﹖把緣額也補充足﹖讓我們在虛擬金融、數位金融中心這一塊找一點超車﹖謝謝委員﹖我們這個相關的這個業務是起頭中﹖那起頭之後﹖我想﹖窗口、人力﹖軍管會他會就人力的是不是足夠﹖您具體承諾他才有辦法嗎﹖他會就人力是否足夠﹖能力能不能去﹖如果他說不足﹖院長是不是可以來協助﹖如果他提出"},{"start":335.246,"end":336.808,"text":"今晚會也真的是很創新,10月8日有宣布"},{"start":351.361,"end":369.81,"text":"開放銀行跟券商申請虛擬資產保管業務的事辦。 那我們拭目以待,希望據說明年第一季要正式上路,希望一定要準時,因為我們已經落後。所以沒問題,我想這部分我們也是在,我剛剛跟委員報告過,我們傳統金融要轉型在未來的數位金融的時候,我們也要先讓銀行習慣這樣的一個發展,再來就是"},{"start":372.831,"end":377.392,"text":"這個保管方式我們之後再來交流那接下來我想創新其實我們還有一條路徑是金管會一直都有在提的就是現實資產代幣化RWA Real World Assets"},{"start":397.276,"end":415.882,"text":"那這個目前事辦的規劃不知道院長知不知道Real World Assets的具體演繹跟規劃進度如何?有沒有業者提出事辦或實驗?我想這部分也跟委員報告一下因為這也是一個很新的東西我們也觀察到未來可能越來越多實體世界的資產可能透過剛才區塊鏈的技術"},{"start":417.202,"end":417.962,"text":"明年應該就會有一些具體的成績出來"},{"start":443.257,"end":467.788,"text":"好,如果有需要也記得編列相關預算到總預算裡面那提到RWA也要和院長談談這個可能是院長的高度要來關注一下我們的穩定幣Stable Coin因為RWA底下其實有一塊就是穩定幣穩定幣並不是一個虛無縹緲的東西要有人把真金白銀放到他的左手他的右手才可以在區塊鏈在數位世界裡放出等量的"},{"start":468.268,"end":468.428,"text":"主席"},{"start":482.059,"end":503.036,"text":"我們現在看到的這些國家﹐日本、新加坡、美國﹐都已經陸續納管﹐而且有的、還沒的也正在討論﹐隨著相關的法案的上路﹐今晚會要提出的這個虛擬資產專法﹐會不會放盡、會不會討論穩定幣的發行﹐格外受到矚目﹐想請問一下院長﹐明年行政院提出的虛擬資產專法﹐會不會討論到﹐或者納入穩定幣的規範﹐"},{"start":508.258,"end":528.657,"text":"報告委員 這個因為討論的現在過程還沒有到院裡面來我想金管會會很充分的去掌握跟了解是 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World Assets（RWA），這個部分目前試辦的規劃，不知道院長知不知道Real World Assets的具體研議跟規劃的進度如何？有沒有業者提出試辦或實驗？"],["彭主任委員金隆：這部分也跟委員報告一下，因為這也是一個很新的東西，我們也觀察到未來越來越多實體世界的資產，可能透過剛才區塊鏈的技術，能夠做一些所謂代幣化，代幣化可以做到24小時低成本的交易，也可以做到信任，所以我們現在組成了這樣一個工作小組，結合了銀行，還有我們的證券公司，還有我們的集保，還有相關的周邊單位，目前正在組成一個工作群，正在研議這樣一個實驗中。"],["葛委員如鈞：什麼時候會有相關的時程出來？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們現在已經在進行中，大概明年應該就會有一些具體的成績出來。"],["葛委員如鈞：好，如果有需要，也記得編列相關預算到總預算裡面。","提到RWA，也要和院長談談，這個可能是院長的高度要來關注一下，就是穩定幣（stablecoin），因為RWA底下其實有一塊就是穩定幣，穩定幣並不是一個虛無飄渺的東西，要有人把真金白銀放到他的左手，他的右手才可以在區塊鏈、在數位世界裡放出等量所謂的美元或者數位美元，就是所謂的USDC，或者這些數位的穩定幣，它跟我們所謂的央行數位貨幣其實是不一樣的。目前我們看到一些國家，像日本、新加坡、美國，都已經陸續納管，還沒有的也正在討論。隨著相關法案上路，金管會所提出虛擬資產專法中會不會放進或討論穩定幣的發行格外受到矚目。想請問院長，明年行政院提出的虛擬資產專法會不會討論或者納入穩定幣的規範？"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，因為還在討論過程，還沒有到院裡面來，我想金管會會很充分去掌握跟了解。"],["彭主任委員金隆：在這邊跟委員報告一下，我們在上會期就這個案子有答應立法院，在今年年底會提出草案。但誠如院長所提，真正的法案要到明年6月才會送到院裡面來……"],["葛委員如鈞：有沒有穩定幣的部分？"],["彭主任委員金隆：誠如剛剛委員所提，當時這部專法是從洗錢防制開始出發，現在已經走到第三階段，到第四階段才會進行所謂的專法。就專法這部分來說，我們在研究報告裡面有在討論……"],["葛委員如鈞：報告裡有，法令可能沒有。"],["彭主任委員金隆：範圍我們還沒有確定，還要經過公聽，還要跟各部會協商後才會做確定，現在還在研議中。"],["葛委員如鈞：跟院長報告一下，我們已經幫你做好功課了。目前臺灣只規範到穩定幣的交易面，還沒有辦法發行，跟各國比起來其實已經非常落後了。日本已經可以發行，而且有牌照，當然，我們不一定要做牌照制度，但現在穩定幣在臺灣是薛丁格的幣，不知道到底是什麼樣的存在狀態。請教院長，行政院是否曾邀集金管會跟央行做跨部會協調穩定幣規範的權責分配？請問有沒有做過？有沒有要確定穩定幣的主責機關？明年全世界各國可能都會發行穩定幣，而且是由企業，不是由央行。這個可不可以來承諾一下？"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，將來金管會所做的任何草案、專法草案在討論的過程當中，我們會進一步了解……"],["葛委員如鈞：所以穩定幣是跟金管會討論，不是跟央行？"],["卓院長榮泰：我想都會討論。"],["彭主任委員金隆：會一起討論。"],["葛委員如鈞：都會討論的問題就是不知道要找誰！"],["彭主任委員金隆：總之，最後專法出來一定會有一個……"],["葛委員如鈞：現在還沒有辦法決定主管機關？我們要不要再回去看其他國家到底如何？然後我們現在還不知道主責機關是誰？"],["卓院長榮泰：在一部新法的研議過程中，我們會參考國外現行例子來做我們重要的參考，畢竟也要符合我國的國情。"],["葛委員如鈞：符合國情是對的，但這不能當作永遠落後的藉口。我們在金融中心指數排行全世界第73名……"],["卓院長榮泰：瞭解。"],["葛委員如鈞：今年還降低5分！數位金融中心沒有排名，所以我們應該早一點努力超車！"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們一定會朝這個方向來走，我剛剛跟委員提到，穩定幣的交易面跟發行面本來就有很多不同考量……"],["葛委員如鈞：我是希望趕快落地下來，看到底是哪一個機關主責！請院長發揮您的領導統御跟高度趕快決定，如果沒有確定的部會都討論，那就等於沒有討論！","我們接下來來看，為什麼這些問題這麼重要？因為全世界都在擁抱數位資產，邁阿密市長的薪水領的是數位貨幣比特幣，而且已經很多年了；路易斯安納州的財政部9月17日公告，州政府計劃接受加密貨幣作為支付國家費用的合法方式。州長甚至說，當今數位時代，政府系統必須不斷發展並擁抱新技術。瑞士的盧加諾也表示，要開放民眾使用比特幣和穩定幣來繳稅、支付罰單，這些都是全世界已經發生、正在發生的事情。數位貨幣應用和研發的新創人才、資訊人才與AI人才高度重疊，這也是為什麼日本跟美國非常重視。我們整理了很多國家，包含瑞士、泰國、阿聯酋，都有賦稅優惠鼓勵大家投入。請問院長，是不是可以站在鼓勵創新的角度，給予數位貨幣相關產業，凡合規合法的就給他們一定程度的賦稅優惠，打造我們成為數位金融世界中心？可不可以承諾？"],["卓院長榮泰：一般國人大概也不是全部都像委員這麼了解過程……"],["葛委員如鈞：臺灣有一百萬用戶……"],["卓院長榮泰：我說的是一般。看這樣的方式，我覺得可能有人羨慕、有人還是怕怕，所以我們還是要建立一套安全、穩定、可信而且可以保值的方式，這個我們有賴於各種形式的專法來建立之後，才能納進去一個合理……"],["葛委員如鈞：我向院長報告，現在有很多詐騙集團可能會不肖、不善地利用這些技術……"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["葛委員如鈞：因為政府對這些技術是不公開、不透明、不擁抱的，其實一旦擁抱了，投入了教育資源，大家反而不會被騙，這同時也是在做打詐，所以我跟院長交流……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們願意面對這個潮流的發展，趕快去接應這個世界的接軌，我們願意這樣做，也積極在做。"],["葛委員如鈞：我想作為院長，你一定也非常關注美國的總統大選，我們看到過去9個月來，加密貨幣的議題已經跨越黨派了，民主黨的候選人，現在是副總統，他強調數位資產具有戰略重要性，Donald Trump說要把比特幣列為戰略儲備，這已經是美國兩黨的共識了，所以我想問，現在我們有沒有關注到像眾議院裴洛西跟71位民主黨員還支持21世紀創新金融技術法案，我們不管是外匯存底、基金或戰略儲備，是不是也應該考慮納入比特幣或者數位資產來做為金融韌性的一部分？如果我們的金融沒有韌性，老實說，未來真的有一些巨大災害發生的時候也會非常危險啊，我們如果有很大一部分比例都在特定國家的資產上，這也會危險啊！我們能不能來研議這樣的一個作法？"],["卓院長榮泰：請楊總裁來說明。"],["楊總裁金龍：有關委員提到中央銀行的外匯存底是不是可以考慮來納入比特幣，我目前跟委員報告，我們也有經過審慎的一個研究，到目前為止，我們還不會把比特幣納入我們的外匯資產。"],["葛委員如鈞：那持續考慮可以嗎？"],["楊總裁金龍：當然、當然，因為我想虛擬資產是一個動態的發展……"],["葛委員如鈞：好，謝謝。"],["楊總裁金龍：所以中央銀行也不會馬上就說要把比特幣納入我們的外匯資產，這個是……"],["葛委員如鈞：好，當然要研議。院長，我們如果要在戰略儲備裡面納入比特幣，是哪一個部會啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：將來到了我們該討論讓它形成一套制度的時候……"],["葛委員如鈞：還是總統的委員會啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：形成一套制度的時候，當然就是我們財經所有的部會來討論，將來一定會有需要的時候，到那個時候就會……"],["葛委員如鈞：需要的時候來不及了！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們正在討論……"],["葛委員如鈞：您可不可以提前指示、提前召集會議？"],["卓院長榮泰：明年就會有一個討論的方向出來嘛！"],["葛委員如鈞：最後我想說，臺灣在人才上本來是領先的，但是未來一定要您領導統御，希望所有的人一起打造Web3──下一代的護國神山，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝葛委員，謝謝卓院長。","報告院會，現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是國防大學政治系的同學，我們在此歡迎他們到立法院參訪，謝謝。","下一位請林德福委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":179,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-4","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","黃珊珊","林楚茵","葛如鈞","林德福","鄭正鈐","林沛祥","麥玉珍","張嘉郡","范雲","謝衣鳯","莊瑞雄","黃建賓","陳秀寳","林倩綺","吳沛憶","羅美玲","黃捷","張雅琳","李坤城","王美惠"],"page_start":103,"meetingDate":["2024-10-15"],"gazette_id":"1137801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137801_00003","1137801_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第4次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1137801_00004"}}}