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00:01:58,080\n我相信在座有孩子的可能也有當阿公阿嬤的大家都很關心孩子的教育所以呢這就很不能理解說現在你看這個數據啊\n\n7\n00:02:17,387 --> 00:02:35,793\n外語補習班本來是在這個108課綱上路之前到現在已經少了500家然後記憶類的補習班少了200家唯獨文理類的補習班增加了到966家部長您知道原因嗎我想現在確實每一個小孩子都是每一個家庭的寶他更是國家的人才的來源\n\n8\n00:02:47,267 --> 00:02:58,884\n那所以大家對教育的一個重視希望能夠有更好的一個對他能夠在發展的過程有更多的支持但是您身為教育部長您不覺得\n\n9\n00:03:00,757 --> 00:03:06,620\n我想108課綱它的整個大方向基本上到現在也是跟WEF世界經濟論壇所要培養的未來產業跟未來的人才想像的圖像\n\n10\n00:03:28,030 --> 00:03:53,084\n是,那您有看到學校的不足嗎?那學校在這個部分,確實跟委員報告,跟委員報告說,像譬如說一齡報告課堂,我們對高中子的學生希望他有更多的這個選修的課,那我們的老師在過去的一個專業,這個本席也支持,就是說希望學生的學習的廣度跟深度,因為像現在全台灣有260幾所學校,\n\n11\n00:03:57,086 --> 00:04:10,293\n但是您希望的增加它的廣度增加它的深度可是帶來的問題就是家長對於學生學習的內容有不確定所以它造成了家長恐慌\n\n12\n00:04:11,314 --> 00:04:36,957\n我如果不送去補習班的話我會不會沒有學到我想我們現在整個團隊在做的這個努力就像剛才我跟委員報告已經有260席所學校跟大學合作大學透過這個AP課程這一個大學義修的課程大學老師到高中去上課或者高中的學生到大學來修課這個本席都不反對我都覺得說\n\n13\n00:04:38,698 --> 00:05:04,927\n應該是在朝好的方向在前進但是本期現在的意思是在提醒你再提醒你說有問題的地方你一定要去重視否則他目前文藝補習班增加這麼多跟我們的教育理念是背道而馳的啊而且我現在不是在跟你講高中我在跟你講的還有一個奇怪的數據招收國小生的補習班\n\n14\n00:05:06,207 --> 00:05:17,400\n在這966家裡面的61.88%,理論上升國中是不需要考試的,為什麼反而是國小補習班最多呢?\n\n15\n00:05:19,309 --> 00:05:19,809\n我現在在跟你講的是文理補習班\n\n16\n00:05:43,340 --> 00:05:46,523\n謝謝委員提醒這我想會後我來更進一步來瞭解\n\n17\n00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:28,456\n那當然還有下個禮拜教育文化委員會要辦一個3C產品的公聽會那我認為呢教育部作為主管機關不能沒有立場要想一個對多數學生好又讓老師可以好好管教的辦法這一點本席也在這裡提到\n\n18\n00:06:28,916 --> 00:06:56,789\n謝謝委員提醒事實上對3C的使用我們已經看到很多國際的一些研究的一些報告他會對青少年產生一些比較多的壓力跟情緒上的所以本席希望就是在公聽會之前是不是能夠有相對應的一些資料可以讓我們參考然後可以來研究然後發表意見那接下來本席要再問的一個問題其實是教育\n\n19\n00:06:57,529 --> 00:07:09,468\n更根本的問題因為你要有好的教育你必須要有好的老師院長我跟您報告今年最大的問題是什麼教師荒\n\n20\n00:07:10,475 --> 00:07:31,302\n沒有老師啊大家都不願意去當老師這是我們國家要面臨的重大國家發展的問題沒有人願意去當老師那我們還怎麼談教育呢我們現在談的什麼教育升級要友善然後要讓小朋友能夠有更好的教育環境這變成是一個空談啊\n\n21\n00:07:32,386 --> 00:07:52,377\n要跟委員報告這一個裡邊也要拜託委員因為施肢因為我們現在的培育的施肢量部長部長我可不可以也提議院長針對這個教師荒可以提出您的看法跟建議嗎?您有察覺到有這個問題嗎?這個一個連鎖性的問題就是我們在少子化之後學生減少了\n\n22\n00:07:59,215 --> 00:08:10,924\n所以對校師的需求在各個地方呈現出來不同的需求狀態讓教師想要從事這個行業的人他變成他沒有辦法在一個穩定的未來的工作上面他去做一些\n\n23\n00:08:11,408 --> 00:08:18,790\n其實部長你真應該感謝院長給你這麼大的信任其實我想這個問題是剛剛院長講的真的是一個連鎖性的問題這個問題非常多面向第一就是剛剛我們講的108課綱他備課多資源少\n\n24\n00:08:41,016 --> 00:09:07,754\n所以很多人不願意當老師。第二是加幾滴又耗費心力,沒有這個優厚的條件。然後第三是行政工作太繁雜了,偏離了教學專業。第四,性平生疏平傳,老師是非常疲於奔命的。老師,校長告訴我他說現在老師不是感覺不像在教書都在辦案。\n\n25\n00:09:09,155 --> 00:09:36,635\n一下子要辦性平案一下子要辦霸凌案等等所以第五就是我講的校園職場霸凌職場不友善等其實教師歡跟我們多繳少領延後退的年改制度也非常的有關係包括說無處適從的教育政策跟不夠優厚的調薪政策若不改變明年我們一樣招不夠老師部長你有沒有一個具體的辦法\n\n26\n00:09:38,541 --> 00:10:04,437\n各位委員報告我想怎麼樣提供老師一個更好的一個教學環境一直都是我們在努力的包含行政的減量事實上教育部這些年來也做了相當多的努力問題是行政減量就沒有看到成效啊教育部在減少行政減量的時候也沒有獲得充分的支持啊心力消遂所以反而地方也在增量\n\n27\n00:10:07,038 --> 00:10:12,380\n導師、特教師應該提高佳績,增加投入的人力,您同意嗎?\n\n28\n00:10:25,622 --> 00:10:46,258\n謝謝,謝謝部長,謝謝院長。所以呢,我本席在這裡,其實呢,我當然很重視學生的受教權,但是我們同時也要重視老師的榮譽感。就是說,他現在當老師已經不像以前那麼受尊重,然後這個待遇又這麼差,然後工作又這麼的繁雜。\n\n29\n00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:47,079\n主席\n\n30\n00:11:00,435 --> 00:11:00,995\n市長我們在整個制度上30年的一個\n\n31\n00:11:18,988 --> 00:11:19,668\n請委員相信我﹖我相信﹖\n\n32\n00:11:40,819 --> 00:11:41,319\n老舊校舍改善問題\n\n33\n00:11:55,985 --> 00:12:17,467\n就是,院長看一下,這是我們雲林縣非常多的50年以上的老舊校舍都已經鋼筋外漏、樑柱嚴重歸裂、瓦舍雨遮都隨時有可能掉落的危險。那院長你覺得這種情況是不是有影響到學生上學的安全呢?當然是有。\n\n34\n00:12:18,087 --> 00:12:45,003\n是吧,真的非常危急,你可以想像說假設是在上學的時候,在這樣子的一個建築物裡面上學,發生地震怎麼辦?我們不允許這樣的危險發生在上學。是,所以本席要特別拜託院長,現在目前雲林縣至少還有45棟這樣子的教學樓,那扣除不常使用的,\n\n35\n00:12:46,022 --> 00:13:14,425\n還有26棟這26棟呢假設都要拆除重建的話至少要花3、40億但是呢雲林縣今年只有分到1.4億1.4億代表說不要說45棟都要改26棟最常使用目前平凡在使用的要改的話要整個修下完成要30年\n\n36\n00:13:16,448 --> 00:13:21,050\n院長您覺得會不會太久了?從98年到111年我們編了1300多億已經加強補強了一六千多棟那我們覺得這個還是不夠所以在114年到118年也持續編了350億會在這幾個年度當中來實施我們希望能夠有效但是我還是認為\n\n37\n00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:47,325\n三、五十一還是不夠,我還想透過其他的方式,用民間的力量來完成,看能不能達到。\n\n38\n00:13:55,251 --> 00:14:18,295\n包括說我們調閱了氣象局的這個地震顯示圖。預估30年內會發生6點6級以上的大地震區域之除了花東以外最有可能的就是雲嘉區。所以地震如果假設在這個老舊校舍的這個區域密集發生的話真的非常的危險。所以呢每年你們今年只編了37.5億要改善這個\n\n39\n00:14:21,636 --> 00:14:46,113\n老舊校舍絕對是不足的,而且雲林縣只有分配到1.4億,真的是太少了,是不是請院長可以加碼,去補足這個加快這個改善的速度。我們明年度開始的350億就是希望地方能夠提出最強烈的需求,我們按照它的危險程度能夠依序來進行,來保障師生學童的安全。\n\n40\n00:14:46,773 --> 00:14:51,336\n我們最近會通過行政院的院會提出一個完整的草案來送交大院來審理。\n\n41\n00:15:09,847 --> 00:15:29,659\n當然這對臺灣的體育界是一個大事,益助更多的資源在體育發展是好事,本席都贊同,但是明年的預算規模……好謝謝,謝謝張委員,謝謝卓院長。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1972\t6654\t副院長,我想請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。卓院長你辛苦啦,從早上到現在一直不斷電喔。那我想要就是請教卓院長,你瞭不瞭解108課綱。108課綱到現在已經實施5年了。假設\n30287\t48127\t您了解的話,100分你覺得目前大概是可以得到幾分呢?我不方便在這邊直接打分數,但是我覺得教育是一直要翻新創新的,我們應該融入更多的元素在裡面,那已經執行下來,所以我們往後會繼續討論新的發展課綱。\n50546\t69854\t是,所以本席想要給院長一些建議,目前有一個數據,我不曉得院長知不知道,108課綱實施到現在5年多,文理補習班增加了966家,院長你知道現在全國的補習班大概有幾家嗎?\n74571\t81194\t一萬七千五百五十二家那你知道全台灣現在超商有幾家嗎?超商那更多啊\n85467\t86647\t是不是要請部長一起來回答這個問題?\n113758\t118080\t我相信在座有孩子的可能也有當阿公阿嬤的大家都很關心孩子的教育所以呢這就很不能理解說現在你看這個數據啊\n137387\t155793\t外語補習班本來是在這個108課綱上路之前到現在已經少了500家然後記憶類的補習班少了200家唯獨文理類的補習班增加了到966家部長您知道原因嗎我想現在確實每一個小孩子都是每一個家庭的寶他更是國家的人才的來源\n167267\t178884\t那所以大家對教育的一個重視希望能夠有更好的一個對他能夠在發展的過程有更多的支持但是您身為教育部長您不覺得\n180757\t186620\t我想108課綱它的整個大方向基本上到現在也是跟WEF世界經濟論壇所要培養的未來產業跟未來的人才想像的圖像\n208030\t233084\t是,那您有看到學校的不足嗎?那學校在這個部分,確實跟委員報告,跟委員報告說,像譬如說一齡報告課堂,我們對高中子的學生希望他有更多的這個選修的課,那我們的老師在過去的一個專業,這個本席也支持,就是說希望學生的學習的廣度跟深度,因為像現在全台灣有260幾所學校,\n237086\t250293\t但是您希望的增加它的廣度增加它的深度可是帶來的問題就是家長對於學生學習的內容有不確定所以它造成了家長恐慌\n251314\t276957\t我如果不送去補習班的話我會不會沒有學到我想我們現在整個團隊在做的這個努力就像剛才我跟委員報告已經有260席所學校跟大學合作大學透過這個AP課程這一個大學義修的課程大學老師到高中去上課或者高中的學生到大學來修課這個本席都不反對我都覺得說\n278698\t304927\t應該是在朝好的方向在前進但是本期現在的意思是在提醒你再提醒你說有問題的地方你一定要去重視否則他目前文藝補習班增加這麼多跟我們的教育理念是背道而馳的啊而且我現在不是在跟你講高中我在跟你講的還有一個奇怪的數據招收國小生的補習班\n306207\t317400\t在這966家裡面的61.88%,理論上升國中是不需要考試的,為什麼反而是國小補習班最多呢?\n319309\t319809\t我現在在跟你講的是文理補習班\n343340\t346523\t謝謝委員提醒 這我想會後我來更進一步來瞭解\n370080\t388456\t那當然還有下個禮拜教育文化委員會要辦一個3C產品的公聽會那我認為呢教育部作為主管機關不能沒有立場要想一個對多數學生好又讓老師可以好好管教的辦法這一點本席也在這裡提到\n388916\t416789\t謝謝委員提醒事實上對3C的使用我們已經看到很多國際的一些研究的一些報告他會對青少年產生一些比較多的壓力跟情緒上的所以本席希望就是在公聽會之前是不是能夠有相對應的一些資料可以讓我們參考然後可以來研究然後發表意見那接下來本席要再問的一個問題其實是教育\n417529\t429468\t更根本的問題因為你要有好的教育你必須要有好的老師院長我跟您報告今年最大的問題是什麼教師荒\n430475\t451302\t沒有老師啊 大家都不願意去當老師這是我們國家要面臨的重大國家發展的問題沒有人願意去當老師 那我們還怎麼談教育呢我們現在談的什麼教育升級要友善 然後要讓小朋友能夠有更好的教育環境 這變成是一個空談啊\n452386\t472377\t要跟委員報告這一個裡邊也要拜託委員因為施肢因為我們現在的培育的施肢量部長部長我可不可以也提議院長針對這個教師荒可以提出您的看法跟建議嗎?您有察覺到有這個問題嗎?這個一個連鎖性的問題就是我們在少子化之後學生減少了\n479215\t490924\t所以對校師的需求在各個地方呈現出來不同的需求狀態讓教師想要從事這個行業的人他變成他沒有辦法在一個穩定的未來的工作上面他去做一些\n491408\t498790\t其實部長你真應該感謝院長給你這麼大的信任其實我想這個問題是剛剛院長講的真的是一個連鎖性的問題這個問題非常多面向第一就是剛剛我們講的108課綱他備課多資源少\n521016\t547754\t所以很多人不願意當老師。 第二是加幾滴又耗費心力,沒有這個優厚的條件。 然後第三是行政工作太繁雜了,偏離了教學專業。 第四,性平生疏平傳,老師是非常疲於奔命的。 老師,校長告訴我他說現在老師不是感覺不像在教書都在辦案。\n549155\t576635\t一下子要辦性平案一下子要辦霸凌案等等所以第五就是我講的校園職場霸凌職場不友善等其實教師歡跟我們多繳少領延後退的年改制度也非常的有關係包括說無處適從的教育政策跟不夠優厚的調薪政策若不改變明年我們一樣招不夠老師部長你有沒有一個具體的辦法\n578541\t604437\t各位委員報告我想怎麼樣提供老師一個更好的一個教學環境一直都是我們在努力的包含行政的減量事實上教育部這些年來也做了相當多的努力問題是行政減量就沒有看到成效啊教育部在減少行政減量的時候也沒有獲得充分的支持啊心力消遂所以反而地方也在增量\n607038\t612380\t導師、特教師應該提高佳績,增加投入的人力,您同意嗎?\n625622\t646258\t謝謝,謝謝部長,謝謝院長。所以呢,我本席在這裡,其實呢,我當然很重視學生的受教權,但是我們同時也要重視老師的榮譽感。就是說,他現在當老師已經不像以前那麼受尊重,然後這個待遇又這麼差,然後工作又這麼的繁雜。\n647039\t647079\t主席\n660435\t660995\t市長我們在整個制度上30年的一個\n678988\t679668\t請委員相信我﹖我相信﹖\n700819\t701319\t老舊校舍改善問題\n715985\t737467\t就是,院長看一下,這是我們雲林縣非常多的50年以上的老舊校舍都已經鋼筋外漏、樑柱嚴重歸裂、瓦舍雨遮都隨時有可能掉落的危險。那院長你覺得這種情況是不是有影響到學生上學的安全呢?當然是有。\n738087\t765003\t是吧,真的非常危急,你可以想像說假設是在上學的時候,在這樣子的一個建築物裡面上學,發生地震怎麼辦?我們不允許這樣的危險發生在上學。是,所以本席要特別拜託院長,現在目前雲林縣至少還有45棟這樣子的教學樓,那扣除不常使用的,\n766022\t794425\t還有26棟這26棟呢假設都要拆除重建的話至少要花3、40億但是呢雲林縣今年只有分到1.4億1.4億代表說不要說45棟都要改26棟最常使用目前平凡在使用的要改的話要整個修下完成要30年\n796448\t801050\t院長您覺得會不會太久了?從98年到111年我們編了1300多億已經加強補強了一六千多棟那我們覺得這個還是不夠所以在114年到118年也持續編了350億會在這幾個年度當中來實施我們希望能夠有效但是我還是認為\n821120\t827325\t三、五十一還是不夠,我還想透過其他的方式,用民間的力量來完成,看能不能達到。\n835251\t858295\t包括說我們調閱了氣象局的這個地震顯示圖。 預估30年內會發生6點6級以上的大地震區域之除了花東以外最有可能的就是雲嘉區。 所以地震如果假設在這個老舊校舍的這個區域密集發生的話真的非常的危險。 所以呢每年你們今年只編了37.5億要改善這個\n861636\t886113\t老舊校舍絕對是不足的,而且雲林縣只有分配到1.4億,真的是太少了,是不是請院長可以加碼,去補足這個加快這個改善的速度。我們明年度開始的350億就是希望地方能夠提出最強烈的需求,我們按照它的危險程度能夠依序來進行,來保障師生學童的安全。\n886773\t891336\t我們最近會通過行政院的院會提出一個完整的草案來送交大院來審理。\n909847\t929659\t當然這對臺灣的體育界是一個大事,益助更多的資源在體育發展是好事,本席都贊同,但是明年的預算規模……好謝謝,謝謝張委員,謝謝卓院長。\n","txt":"副院長,我想請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。卓院長你辛苦啦,從早上到現在一直不斷電喔。那我想要就是請教卓院長,你瞭不瞭解108課綱。108課綱到現在已經實施5年了。假設\n您了解的話,100分你覺得目前大概是可以得到幾分呢?我不方便在這邊直接打分數,但是我覺得教育是一直要翻新創新的,我們應該融入更多的元素在裡面,那已經執行下來,所以我們往後會繼續討論新的發展課綱。\n是,所以本席想要給院長一些建議,目前有一個數據,我不曉得院長知不知道,108課綱實施到現在5年多,文理補習班增加了966家,院長你知道現在全國的補習班大概有幾家嗎?\n一萬七千五百五十二家那你知道全台灣現在超商有幾家嗎?超商那更多啊\n是不是要請部長一起來回答這個問題?\n我相信在座有孩子的可能也有當阿公阿嬤的大家都很關心孩子的教育所以呢這就很不能理解說現在你看這個數據啊\n外語補習班本來是在這個108課綱上路之前到現在已經少了500家然後記憶類的補習班少了200家唯獨文理類的補習班增加了到966家部長您知道原因嗎我想現在確實每一個小孩子都是每一個家庭的寶他更是國家的人才的來源\n那所以大家對教育的一個重視希望能夠有更好的一個對他能夠在發展的過程有更多的支持但是您身為教育部長您不覺得\n我想108課綱它的整個大方向基本上到現在也是跟WEF世界經濟論壇所要培養的未來產業跟未來的人才想像的圖像\n是,那您有看到學校的不足嗎?那學校在這個部分,確實跟委員報告,跟委員報告說,像譬如說一齡報告課堂,我們對高中子的學生希望他有更多的這個選修的課,那我們的老師在過去的一個專業,這個本席也支持,就是說希望學生的學習的廣度跟深度,因為像現在全台灣有260幾所學校,\n但是您希望的增加它的廣度增加它的深度可是帶來的問題就是家長對於學生學習的內容有不確定所以它造成了家長恐慌\n我如果不送去補習班的話我會不會沒有學到我想我們現在整個團隊在做的這個努力就像剛才我跟委員報告已經有260席所學校跟大學合作大學透過這個AP課程這一個大學義修的課程大學老師到高中去上課或者高中的學生到大學來修課這個本席都不反對我都覺得說\n應該是在朝好的方向在前進但是本期現在的意思是在提醒你再提醒你說有問題的地方你一定要去重視否則他目前文藝補習班增加這麼多跟我們的教育理念是背道而馳的啊而且我現在不是在跟你講高中我在跟你講的還有一個奇怪的數據招收國小生的補習班\n在這966家裡面的61.88%,理論上升國中是不需要考試的,為什麼反而是國小補習班最多呢?\n我現在在跟你講的是文理補習班\n謝謝委員提醒 這我想會後我來更進一步來瞭解\n那當然還有下個禮拜教育文化委員會要辦一個3C產品的公聽會那我認為呢教育部作為主管機關不能沒有立場要想一個對多數學生好又讓老師可以好好管教的辦法這一點本席也在這裡提到\n謝謝委員提醒事實上對3C的使用我們已經看到很多國際的一些研究的一些報告他會對青少年產生一些比較多的壓力跟情緒上的所以本席希望就是在公聽會之前是不是能夠有相對應的一些資料可以讓我們參考然後可以來研究然後發表意見那接下來本席要再問的一個問題其實是教育\n更根本的問題因為你要有好的教育你必須要有好的老師院長我跟您報告今年最大的問題是什麼教師荒\n沒有老師啊 大家都不願意去當老師這是我們國家要面臨的重大國家發展的問題沒有人願意去當老師 那我們還怎麼談教育呢我們現在談的什麼教育升級要友善 然後要讓小朋友能夠有更好的教育環境 這變成是一個空談啊\n要跟委員報告這一個裡邊也要拜託委員因為施肢因為我們現在的培育的施肢量部長部長我可不可以也提議院長針對這個教師荒可以提出您的看法跟建議嗎?您有察覺到有這個問題嗎?這個一個連鎖性的問題就是我們在少子化之後學生減少了\n所以對校師的需求在各個地方呈現出來不同的需求狀態讓教師想要從事這個行業的人他變成他沒有辦法在一個穩定的未來的工作上面他去做一些\n其實部長你真應該感謝院長給你這麼大的信任其實我想這個問題是剛剛院長講的真的是一個連鎖性的問題這個問題非常多面向第一就是剛剛我們講的108課綱他備課多資源少\n所以很多人不願意當老師。 第二是加幾滴又耗費心力,沒有這個優厚的條件。 然後第三是行政工作太繁雜了,偏離了教學專業。 第四,性平生疏平傳,老師是非常疲於奔命的。 老師,校長告訴我他說現在老師不是感覺不像在教書都在辦案。\n一下子要辦性平案一下子要辦霸凌案等等所以第五就是我講的校園職場霸凌職場不友善等其實教師歡跟我們多繳少領延後退的年改制度也非常的有關係包括說無處適從的教育政策跟不夠優厚的調薪政策若不改變明年我們一樣招不夠老師部長你有沒有一個具體的辦法\n各位委員報告我想怎麼樣提供老師一個更好的一個教學環境一直都是我們在努力的包含行政的減量事實上教育部這些年來也做了相當多的努力問題是行政減量就沒有看到成效啊教育部在減少行政減量的時候也沒有獲得充分的支持啊心力消遂所以反而地方也在增量\n導師、特教師應該提高佳績,增加投入的人力,您同意嗎?\n謝謝,謝謝部長,謝謝院長。所以呢,我本席在這裡,其實呢,我當然很重視學生的受教權,但是我們同時也要重視老師的榮譽感。就是說,他現在當老師已經不像以前那麼受尊重,然後這個待遇又這麼差,然後工作又這麼的繁雜。\n主席\n市長我們在整個制度上30年的一個\n請委員相信我﹖我相信﹖\n老舊校舍改善問題\n就是,院長看一下,這是我們雲林縣非常多的50年以上的老舊校舍都已經鋼筋外漏、樑柱嚴重歸裂、瓦舍雨遮都隨時有可能掉落的危險。那院長你覺得這種情況是不是有影響到學生上學的安全呢?當然是有。\n是吧,真的非常危急,你可以想像說假設是在上學的時候,在這樣子的一個建築物裡面上學,發生地震怎麼辦?我們不允許這樣的危險發生在上學。是,所以本席要特別拜託院長,現在目前雲林縣至少還有45棟這樣子的教學樓,那扣除不常使用的,\n還有26棟這26棟呢假設都要拆除重建的話至少要花3、40億但是呢雲林縣今年只有分到1.4億1.4億代表說不要說45棟都要改26棟最常使用目前平凡在使用的要改的話要整個修下完成要30年\n院長您覺得會不會太久了?從98年到111年我們編了1300多億已經加強補強了一六千多棟那我們覺得這個還是不夠所以在114年到118年也持續編了350億會在這幾個年度當中來實施我們希望能夠有效但是我還是認為\n三、五十一還是不夠,我還想透過其他的方式,用民間的力量來完成,看能不能達到。\n包括說我們調閱了氣象局的這個地震顯示圖。 預估30年內會發生6點6級以上的大地震區域之除了花東以外最有可能的就是雲嘉區。 所以地震如果假設在這個老舊校舍的這個區域密集發生的話真的非常的危險。 所以呢每年你們今年只編了37.5億要改善這個\n老舊校舍絕對是不足的,而且雲林縣只有分配到1.4億,真的是太少了,是不是請院長可以加碼,去補足這個加快這個改善的速度。我們明年度開始的350億就是希望地方能夠提出最強烈的需求,我們按照它的危險程度能夠依序來進行,來保障師生學童的安全。\n我們最近會通過行政院的院會提出一個完整的草案來送交大院來審理。\n當然這對臺灣的體育界是一個大事,益助更多的資源在體育發展是好事,本席都贊同,但是明年的預算規模……好謝謝,謝謝張委員,謝謝卓院長。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.972 --> 00:06.654\n副院長,我想請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。卓院長你辛苦啦,從早上到現在一直不斷電喔。那我想要就是請教卓院長,你瞭不瞭解108課綱。108課綱到現在已經實施5年了。假設\n\n00:30.287 --> 00:48.127\n您了解的話,100分你覺得目前大概是可以得到幾分呢?我不方便在這邊直接打分數,但是我覺得教育是一直要翻新創新的,我們應該融入更多的元素在裡面,那已經執行下來,所以我們往後會繼續討論新的發展課綱。\n\n00:50.546 --> 01:09.854\n是,所以本席想要給院長一些建議,目前有一個數據,我不曉得院長知不知道,108課綱實施到現在5年多,文理補習班增加了966家,院長你知道現在全國的補習班大概有幾家嗎?\n\n01:14.571 --> 01:21.194\n一萬七千五百五十二家那你知道全台灣現在超商有幾家嗎?超商那更多啊\n\n01:25.467 --> 01:26.647\n是不是要請部長一起來回答這個問題?\n\n01:53.758 --> 01:58.080\n我相信在座有孩子的可能也有當阿公阿嬤的大家都很關心孩子的教育所以呢這就很不能理解說現在你看這個數據啊\n\n02:17.387 --> 02:35.793\n外語補習班本來是在這個108課綱上路之前到現在已經少了500家然後記憶類的補習班少了200家唯獨文理類的補習班增加了到966家部長您知道原因嗎我想現在確實每一個小孩子都是每一個家庭的寶他更是國家的人才的來源\n\n02:47.267 --> 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這我想會後我來更進一步來瞭解"},{"start":370.08,"end":388.456,"text":"那當然還有下個禮拜教育文化委員會要辦一個3C產品的公聽會那我認為呢教育部作為主管機關不能沒有立場要想一個對多數學生好又讓老師可以好好管教的辦法這一點本席也在這裡提到"},{"start":388.916,"end":416.789,"text":"謝謝委員提醒事實上對3C的使用我們已經看到很多國際的一些研究的一些報告他會對青少年產生一些比較多的壓力跟情緒上的所以本席希望就是在公聽會之前是不是能夠有相對應的一些資料可以讓我們參考然後可以來研究然後發表意見那接下來本席要再問的一個問題其實是教育"},{"start":417.529,"end":429.468,"text":"更根本的問題因為你要有好的教育你必須要有好的老師院長我跟您報告今年最大的問題是什麼教師荒"},{"start":430.475,"end":451.302,"text":"沒有老師啊 大家都不願意去當老師這是我們國家要面臨的重大國家發展的問題沒有人願意去當老師 那我們還怎麼談教育呢我們現在談的什麼教育升級要友善 然後要讓小朋友能夠有更好的教育環境 這變成是一個空談啊"},{"start":452.386,"end":472.377,"text":"要跟委員報告這一個裡邊也要拜託委員因為施肢因為我們現在的培育的施肢量部長部長我可不可以也提議院長針對這個教師荒可以提出您的看法跟建議嗎?您有察覺到有這個問題嗎?這個一個連鎖性的問題就是我們在少子化之後學生減少了"},{"start":479.215,"end":490.924,"text":"所以對校師的需求在各個地方呈現出來不同的需求狀態讓教師想要從事這個行業的人他變成他沒有辦法在一個穩定的未來的工作上面他去做一些"},{"start":491.408,"end":498.79,"text":"其實部長你真應該感謝院長給你這麼大的信任其實我想這個問題是剛剛院長講的真的是一個連鎖性的問題這個問題非常多面向第一就是剛剛我們講的108課綱他備課多資源少"},{"start":521.016,"end":547.754,"text":"所以很多人不願意當老師。 第二是加幾滴又耗費心力,沒有這個優厚的條件。 然後第三是行政工作太繁雜了,偏離了教學專業。 第四,性平生疏平傳,老師是非常疲於奔命的。 老師,校長告訴我他說現在老師不是感覺不像在教書都在辦案。"},{"start":549.155,"end":576.635,"text":"一下子要辦性平案一下子要辦霸凌案等等所以第五就是我講的校園職場霸凌職場不友善等其實教師歡跟我們多繳少領延後退的年改制度也非常的有關係包括說無處適從的教育政策跟不夠優厚的調薪政策若不改變明年我們一樣招不夠老師部長你有沒有一個具體的辦法"},{"start":578.541,"end":604.437,"text":"各位委員報告我想怎麼樣提供老師一個更好的一個教學環境一直都是我們在努力的包含行政的減量事實上教育部這些年來也做了相當多的努力問題是行政減量就沒有看到成效啊教育部在減少行政減量的時候也沒有獲得充分的支持啊心力消遂所以反而地方也在增量"},{"start":607.038,"end":612.38,"text":"導師、特教師應該提高佳績,增加投入的人力,您同意嗎?"},{"start":625.622,"end":646.258,"text":"謝謝,謝謝部長,謝謝院長。所以呢,我本席在這裡,其實呢,我當然很重視學生的受教權,但是我們同時也要重視老師的榮譽感。就是說,他現在當老師已經不像以前那麼受尊重,然後這個待遇又這麼差,然後工作又這麼的繁雜。"},{"start":647.039,"end":647.079,"text":"主席"},{"start":660.435,"end":660.995,"text":"市長我們在整個制度上30年的一個"},{"start":678.988,"end":679.668,"text":"請委員相信我﹖我相信﹖"},{"start":700.819,"end":701.319,"text":"老舊校舍改善問題"},{"start":715.985,"end":737.467,"text":"就是,院長看一下,這是我們雲林縣非常多的50年以上的老舊校舍都已經鋼筋外漏、樑柱嚴重歸裂、瓦舍雨遮都隨時有可能掉落的危險。那院長你覺得這種情況是不是有影響到學生上學的安全呢?當然是有。"},{"start":738.087,"end":765.003,"text":"是吧,真的非常危急,你可以想像說假設是在上學的時候,在這樣子的一個建築物裡面上學,發生地震怎麼辦?我們不允許這樣的危險發生在上學。是,所以本席要特別拜託院長,現在目前雲林縣至少還有45棟這樣子的教學樓,那扣除不常使用的,"},{"start":766.022,"end":794.425,"text":"還有26棟這26棟呢假設都要拆除重建的話至少要花3、40億但是呢雲林縣今年只有分到1.4億1.4億代表說不要說45棟都要改26棟最常使用目前平凡在使用的要改的話要整個修下完成要30年"},{"start":796.448,"end":801.05,"text":"院長您覺得會不會太久了?從98年到111年我們編了1300多億已經加強補強了一六千多棟那我們覺得這個還是不夠所以在114年到118年也持續編了350億會在這幾個年度當中來實施我們希望能夠有效但是我還是認為"},{"start":821.12,"end":827.325,"text":"三、五十一還是不夠,我還想透過其他的方式,用民間的力量來完成,看能不能達到。"},{"start":835.251,"end":858.295,"text":"包括說我們調閱了氣象局的這個地震顯示圖。 預估30年內會發生6點6級以上的大地震區域之除了花東以外最有可能的就是雲嘉區。 所以地震如果假設在這個老舊校舍的這個區域密集發生的話真的非常的危險。 所以呢每年你們今年只編了37.5億要改善這個"},{"start":861.636,"end":886.113,"text":"老舊校舍絕對是不足的,而且雲林縣只有分配到1.4億,真的是太少了,是不是請院長可以加碼,去補足這個加快這個改善的速度。我們明年度開始的350億就是希望地方能夠提出最強烈的需求,我們按照它的危險程度能夠依序來進行,來保障師生學童的安全。"},{"start":886.773,"end":891.336,"text":"我們最近會通過行政院的院會提出一個完整的草案來送交大院來審理。"},{"start":909.847,"end":929.659,"text":"當然這對臺灣的體育界是一個大事,益助更多的資源在體育發展是好事,本席都贊同,但是明年的預算規模……好謝謝,謝謝張委員,謝謝卓院長。"}]}}},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"sessionTimes":4,"tmpMeeting":null,"term":11,"id":"院會-11-2-4","title":"第11屆第2會期第4次會議","type":"院會"},"會議時間":"2024-10-15T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"10:46:28 - 11:02:04","會議名稱":"第11屆第2會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。 二、10月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 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席的是臺東縣民眾服務社的好朋友，我們在此表達歡迎，謝謝。","下一位我們請葛如鈞委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":179,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-4","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","黃珊珊","林楚茵","葛如鈞","林德福","鄭正鈐","林沛祥","麥玉珍","張嘉郡","范雲","謝衣鳯","莊瑞雄","黃建賓","陳秀寳","林倩綺","吳沛憶","羅美玲","黃捷","張雅琳","李坤城","王美惠"],"page_start":103,"meetingDate":["2024-10-15"],"gazette_id":"1137801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137801_00003","1137801_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第4次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1137801_00004"}}}