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00:01:57,834\n第一個不曉得這個調查這一次是教育部主動要做這件事還是國防部又有希望來做那我想這個在這個時間點我們做這樣調查而這個調查出來之後我們沒有看到有對學生有任何的培訓訓練的計畫那到底以後要做什麼也都不知道我們就倉促一下做調查也難怪無非啊其實學校也反彈家長也反彈老師也覺得這很奇怪那我想前面才剛有我們的劉世芳部長說\n\n5\n00:01:58,655 --> 00:01:58,795\n〔記者訪問〕〔記者訪問〕\n\n6\n00:02:14,687 --> 00:02:15,107\n再來我們又提到\n\n7\n00:02:42,751 --> 00:03:01,469\n這部長又說到說全民國防啊現在大家都是要做全民國防嘛但是我們看到其實全民國防現在已經是不定的必修了那我想也納入了12年國教的一個課綱那為什麼又要特別去調查哪一些人他願意來做這些後勤協助的工作以上我想部長是不是能夠重點是說明\n\n8\n00:03:03,012 --> 00:03:13,958\n謝謝委員關心也感謝委員這一個關心我們青年學子不然我們重點回答好不好就第一個我先請教一下這一次這個議員調查是國防部發起還是教育部主動的跟委員報告\n\n9\n00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,621\n這一次是國防部主動還是教育部?\n\n10\n00:03:43,373 --> 00:03:54,818\n教育部是根據去年這一個的公文然後這一個今年通知所以今年是教育部主動喊文的跟國防部沒有關係這無關的再來我想這個因為您說這個絕對不會跟戰事有關您能保證我們這一次的這個調查永遠都會跟戰事這件事情無關嗎\n\n11\n00:04:05,154 --> 00:04:30,102\n我沒有在講全民國防剛剛已經跟你提過全民國防現在是不定必修大家都要全民國防這青年的服務的範圍他主要就是在協助地方政府的避難引導部長我就請教您我們現在您說的這一些我們登記以後有意願的這些工作那我們有沒有給這些有意願的孩子有什麼樣的訓練計畫在裡面有嗎\n\n12\n00:04:32,623 --> 00:04:36,448\n現在有沒有我想就這是不是能夠詳細的請這個吳市長來部長我跟您說啦我來跟您說比較快其實現在是沒有的因為本席昨天問過許許多多的高中的校長目前是沒有的只有一個這個人才庫的被查的這種概念那我建議啦就是說\n\n13\n00:04:51,707 --> 00:04:52,868\n接下來我想回到今天我最重要的一個主題我想根據我們看到這個\n\n14\n00:05:18,679 --> 00:05:18,699\n〔記者〕\n\n15\n00:05:41,229 --> 00:05:56,515\n截至今年4月為止已經停照停辦的15校當中有13校86.67%就是既職的學校我們又看到世界二端的統策報考的人數只剩下6.9萬比同年我們大學學測少了12萬人\n\n16\n00:05:58,676 --> 00:06:21,637\n十二萬人少了五萬多人所以我們也看到近五年來的高職學生的人數從108年37.9萬名學生到112年那也減少了7.5萬名學生來到了30.4萬而這個數字恐怕還會急劇的在惡化中那尤其我們看到現在私立高中其實高中值也呈現一種M形態的一個狀態\n\n17\n00:06:24,119 --> 00:06:47,075\n所以未來會不會迎接這個大規模的退場潮我想這是大家所擔憂的啦好那我們又看到私校工會也預估嘛他說認為說在未來的三年當中恐怕會有50到60所的私校高中只會退場喔那這個問題我們審計部也注意到了那教育部回覆審計部說我們的改善方案就是3加2類5專好\n\n18\n00:06:49,036 --> 00:06:52,479\n三加二類武專是我們這麼重要的一個解套的方案但是呢我們看到這個當然我聽說兩天前三加二改名了現在改成新類武專現在改名叫做新武專新武專模式對不對因為你們現在名稱很多啦那這個新武專模式本來三加二現在三加二加二\n\n19\n00:07:11,255 --> 00:07:12,376\n三加二、三加二、三加四、一加三加四、五加二、二加二N、零加四\n\n20\n00:07:40,509 --> 00:08:02,379\n您弄得清楚嗎?這第一個您弄得清楚很重要但家長跟學校跟老師弄不弄得清楚更重要本席一樣幫您在地方的試掉了很多的家長老師跟學校不知道大部分人都不知道那我們來看這個表格上面是本席幫你整理出來因為今天時間真的很有限\n\n21\n00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:04,901\n三加二還是三加四好?\n\n22\n00:08:22,056 --> 00:08:48,289\n我跟委員報告他是各自有他的一個特色好各自有他一個好處那我請教一下部長那誰什麼學生要選3加2什麼學生要選3加43加2我的心目中主要就是希望高中高職技高的學生不要再為了升學當然我想喔不要再為了升學組織配合組織很清楚就是說3加2的學生希望說他們到高3可以中10座啦那沒有升學壓力啦那但是呢\n\n23\n00:08:49,870 --> 00:08:55,455\n今天喔?部長,那如果三家這麼好,三家四還要繼續留嗎?產西,產西合作專班還要繼續留嗎?有一些學校他產業他過去當然有一些產業的產學合作建校合作的模式\n\n24\n00:09:07,244 --> 00:09:28,835\n不是嘛,部長,我想你這個3加4喔,剛剛我念了這麼一大堆喔,事實上都是產學專班底下的不同的方案啦齁,我建議您啦齁,您自己喔,我今天是沒有時間,我不想一個一個考你啦,我可以保證這題如果考你,你考60分不到啦。為什麼?因為本席昨天晚上要能了解這一些來詢問你的時候,我看了又看,真的是一團混亂。\n\n25\n00:09:30,356 --> 00:09:30,796\n委員是不是能夠讓我對3加2新五專\n\n26\n00:10:33,592 --> 00:10:33,792\n部長,我們不管3加2\n\n27\n00:10:58,024 --> 00:10:58,245\n參議院委員會委員會委員會\n\n28\n00:11:17,068 --> 00:11:31,036\n我們希望教育部能夠比照過去的國教輔導團或者是學習歷程檔案說明是不是能夠來組織一個這個計職專案輔導團來做巡迴的說明讓教育部這麼好的政策可以讓我們全國的學校都知道好不好那部長您之後再回覆萬委員好不好最後這一點這可不可以來做這可以來做嗎可以喔那會後希望部長給我一個詳細的說明那我們就到這\n\n29\n00:11:45,564 --> 00:11:46,065\n第二位質詢的\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6665\t28959\t部長早我想有關現在有高中在發暫時狀態青年扶勤同意書那昨天我有看到部長有出來做說明不過呢在本期選區內還是很多的家長跟很多的民眾都有非常多的疑慮跟恐慌所以我想今天在這裡再就教部長一次讓您有機會更正式的來說明白我想在去年的二月傳出國防部要修這個權動法\n30100\t59543\t那當時是要要求學校針對16歲以上的學生建置所謂的青年服勤資料但是要回傳國防部那所以呢當時這件事情引發了非常大的反彈那教育部那個時候為了要回應民眾的疑慮所以也發文說要停止回傳國防部的這個動作把人員編組這些資料留校來被查那所以我們以為風波就要平息了不過呢現在又傳出來說我們又在做這相關的調查了那所以我想\n60043\t71347\t這一次是教育部用韓文的方式我們都有收到嘛各縣市的這個教育局來做一些統計跟造冊那部長您有說到說這個權動法是民國90年11月14號其實就公布了啦那但是為什麼在去年傳出修法之前其實高達23年的時間都沒有調查去年開始調查那去年調查鬧得沸沸揚揚人心惶惶的那現在我們在兩岸這麼緊張的時刻呢我們又要開始再來做這樣一個調查我想\n89774\t117834\t第一個不曉得這個調查這一次是教育部主動要做這件事還是國防部又有希望來做那我想這個在這個時間點我們做這樣調查而這個調查出來之後我們沒有看到有對學生有任何的培訓訓練的計畫那到底以後要做什麼也都不知道我們就倉促一下做調查也難怪無非啊其實學校也反彈家長也反彈老師也覺得這很奇怪那我想前面才剛有我們的劉世芳部長說\n118655\t118795\t〔記者訪問〕〔記者訪問〕\n134687\t135107\t再來我們又提到\n162751\t181469\t這部長又說到說全民國防啊現在大家都是要做全民國防嘛但是我們看到其實全民國防現在已經是不定的必修了那我想也納入了12年國教的一個課綱那為什麼又要特別去調查哪一些人他願意來做這些後勤協助的工作以上我想部長是不是能夠重點是說明\n183012\t193958\t謝謝委員關心也感謝委員這一個關心我們青年學子不然我們重點回答好不好就第一個我先請教一下這一次這個議員調查是國防部發起還是教育部主動的跟委員報告\n198480\t200621\t這一次是國防部主動還是教育部?\n223373\t234818\t教育部是根據去年這一個的公文然後這一個今年通知所以今年是教育部主動喊文的跟國防部沒有關係這無關的再來我想這個因為您說這個絕對不會跟戰事有關您能保證我們這一次的這個調查永遠都會跟戰事這件事情無關嗎\n245154\t270102\t我沒有在講全民國防剛剛已經跟你提過全民國防現在是不定必修大家都要全民國防這青年的服務的範圍他主要就是在協助地方政府的避難引導部長我就請教您我們現在您說的這一些我們登記以後有意願的這些工作那我們有沒有給這些有意願的孩子有什麼樣的訓練計畫在裡面有嗎\n272623\t276448\t現在有沒有我想就這是不是能夠詳細的請這個吳市長來部長我跟您說啦我來跟您說比較快其實現在是沒有的因為本席昨天問過許許多多的高中的校長目前是沒有的只有一個這個人才庫的被查的這種概念那我建議啦就是說\n291707\t292868\t接下來我想回到今天我最重要的一個主題我想根據我們看到這個\n318679\t318699\t〔記者〕\n341229\t356515\t截至今年4月為止已經停照停辦的15校當中有13校86.67%就是既職的學校我們又看到世界二端的統策報考的人數只剩下6.9萬比同年我們大學學測少了12萬人\n358676\t381637\t十二萬人少了五萬多人所以我們也看到近五年來的高職學生的人數從108年37.9萬名學生到112年那也減少了7.5萬名學生來到了30.4萬而這個數字恐怕還會急劇的在惡化中那尤其我們看到現在私立高中其實高中值也呈現一種M形態的一個狀態\n384119\t407075\t所以未來會不會迎接這個大規模的退場潮我想這是大家所擔憂的啦好那我們又看到私校工會也預估嘛他說認為說在未來的三年當中恐怕會有50到60所的私校高中只會退場喔那這個問題我們審計部也注意到了那教育部回覆審計部說我們的改善方案就是3加2類5專好\n409036\t412479\t三加二類武專是我們這麼重要的一個解套的方案但是呢我們看到這個當然我聽說兩天前三加二改名了現在改成新類武專現在改名叫做新武專新武專模式對不對因為你們現在名稱很多啦那這個新武專模式本來三加二現在三加二加二\n431255\t432376\t三加二、三加二、三加四、一加三加四、五加二、二加二N、零加四\n460509\t482379\t您弄得清楚嗎?這第一個 您弄得清楚很重要但家長跟學校跟老師弄不弄得清楚更重要本席一樣幫您在地方的試掉了很多的家長老師跟學校不知道 大部分人都不知道那我們來看 這個表格上面是本席幫你整理出來因為今天時間真的很有限\n484480\t484901\t三加二還是三加四好?\n502056\t528289\t我跟委員報告他是各自有他的一個特色好 各自有他一個好處 那我請教一下部長那誰 什麼學生要選3加2 什麼學生要選3加43加2我的心目中主要就是希望高中 高職 技高的學生不要再為了升學當然 我想喔 不要再為了升學組織配合組織很清楚就是說3加2的學生希望說他們到高3可以中10座啦那沒有升學壓力啦那但是呢\n529870\t535455\t今天喔?部長,那如果三家這麼好,三家四還要繼續留嗎?產西,產西合作專班還要繼續留嗎?有一些學校他產業他過去當然有一些產業的產學合作建校合作的模式\n547244\t568835\t不是嘛,部長,我想你這個3加4喔,剛剛我念了這麼一大堆喔,事實上都是產學專班底下的不同的方案啦齁,我建議您啦齁,您自己喔,我今天是沒有時間,我不想一個一個考你啦,我可以保證這題如果考你,你考60分不到啦。為什麼?因為本席昨天晚上要能了解這一些來詢問你的時候,我看了又看,真的是一團混亂。\n570356\t570796\t委員是不是能夠讓我對3加2新五專\n596032\t611340\t響鐘\n611340\t633592\t議員議員議員\n633592\t633792\t部長,我們不管3加2\n658024\t658245\t參議院委員會委員會委員會\n677068\t691036\t我們希望教育部能夠比照過去的國教輔導團或者是學習歷程檔案說明是不是能夠來組織一個這個計職專案輔導團來做巡迴的說明讓教育部這麼好的政策可以讓我們全國的學校都知道好不好那部長您之後再回覆萬委員好不好最後這一點這可不可以來做這可以來做嗎可以喔那會後希望部長給我一個詳細的說明那我們就到這\n705564\t706065\t第二位質詢的\n","txt":"部長早我想有關現在有高中在發暫時狀態青年扶勤同意書那昨天我有看到部長有出來做說明不過呢在本期選區內還是很多的家長跟很多的民眾都有非常多的疑慮跟恐慌所以我想今天在這裡再就教部長一次讓您有機會更正式的來說明白我想在去年的二月傳出國防部要修這個權動法\n那當時是要要求學校針對16歲以上的學生建置所謂的青年服勤資料但是要回傳國防部那所以呢當時這件事情引發了非常大的反彈那教育部那個時候為了要回應民眾的疑慮所以也發文說要停止回傳國防部的這個動作把人員編組這些資料留校來被查那所以我們以為風波就要平息了不過呢現在又傳出來說我們又在做這相關的調查了那所以我想\n這一次是教育部用韓文的方式我們都有收到嘛各縣市的這個教育局來做一些統計跟造冊那部長您有說到說這個權動法是民國90年11月14號其實就公布了啦那但是為什麼在去年傳出修法之前其實高達23年的時間都沒有調查去年開始調查那去年調查鬧得沸沸揚揚人心惶惶的那現在我們在兩岸這麼緊張的時刻呢我們又要開始再來做這樣一個調查我想\n第一個不曉得這個調查這一次是教育部主動要做這件事還是國防部又有希望來做那我想這個在這個時間點我們做這樣調查而這個調查出來之後我們沒有看到有對學生有任何的培訓訓練的計畫那到底以後要做什麼也都不知道我們就倉促一下做調查也難怪無非啊其實學校也反彈家長也反彈老師也覺得這很奇怪那我想前面才剛有我們的劉世芳部長說\n〔記者訪問〕〔記者訪問〕\n再來我們又提到\n這部長又說到說全民國防啊現在大家都是要做全民國防嘛但是我們看到其實全民國防現在已經是不定的必修了那我想也納入了12年國教的一個課綱那為什麼又要特別去調查哪一些人他願意來做這些後勤協助的工作以上我想部長是不是能夠重點是說明\n謝謝委員關心也感謝委員這一個關心我們青年學子不然我們重點回答好不好就第一個我先請教一下這一次這個議員調查是國防部發起還是教育部主動的跟委員報告\n這一次是國防部主動還是教育部?\n教育部是根據去年這一個的公文然後這一個今年通知所以今年是教育部主動喊文的跟國防部沒有關係這無關的再來我想這個因為您說這個絕對不會跟戰事有關您能保證我們這一次的這個調查永遠都會跟戰事這件事情無關嗎\n我沒有在講全民國防剛剛已經跟你提過全民國防現在是不定必修大家都要全民國防這青年的服務的範圍他主要就是在協助地方政府的避難引導部長我就請教您我們現在您說的這一些我們登記以後有意願的這些工作那我們有沒有給這些有意願的孩子有什麼樣的訓練計畫在裡面有嗎\n現在有沒有我想就這是不是能夠詳細的請這個吳市長來部長我跟您說啦我來跟您說比較快其實現在是沒有的因為本席昨天問過許許多多的高中的校長目前是沒有的只有一個這個人才庫的被查的這種概念那我建議啦就是說\n接下來我想回到今天我最重要的一個主題我想根據我們看到這個\n〔記者〕\n截至今年4月為止已經停照停辦的15校當中有13校86.67%就是既職的學校我們又看到世界二端的統策報考的人數只剩下6.9萬比同年我們大學學測少了12萬人\n十二萬人少了五萬多人所以我們也看到近五年來的高職學生的人數從108年37.9萬名學生到112年那也減少了7.5萬名學生來到了30.4萬而這個數字恐怕還會急劇的在惡化中那尤其我們看到現在私立高中其實高中值也呈現一種M形態的一個狀態\n所以未來會不會迎接這個大規模的退場潮我想這是大家所擔憂的啦好那我們又看到私校工會也預估嘛他說認為說在未來的三年當中恐怕會有50到60所的私校高中只會退場喔那這個問題我們審計部也注意到了那教育部回覆審計部說我們的改善方案就是3加2類5專好\n三加二類武專是我們這麼重要的一個解套的方案但是呢我們看到這個當然我聽說兩天前三加二改名了現在改成新類武專現在改名叫做新武專新武專模式對不對因為你們現在名稱很多啦那這個新武專模式本來三加二現在三加二加二\n三加二、三加二、三加四、一加三加四、五加二、二加二N、零加四\n您弄得清楚嗎?這第一個 您弄得清楚很重要但家長跟學校跟老師弄不弄得清楚更重要本席一樣幫您在地方的試掉了很多的家長老師跟學校不知道 大部分人都不知道那我們來看 這個表格上面是本席幫你整理出來因為今天時間真的很有限\n三加二還是三加四好?\n我跟委員報告他是各自有他的一個特色好 各自有他一個好處 那我請教一下部長那誰 什麼學生要選3加2 什麼學生要選3加43加2我的心目中主要就是希望高中 高職 技高的學生不要再為了升學當然 我想喔 不要再為了升學組織配合組織很清楚就是說3加2的學生希望說他們到高3可以中10座啦那沒有升學壓力啦那但是呢\n今天喔?部長,那如果三家這麼好,三家四還要繼續留嗎?產西,產西合作專班還要繼續留嗎?有一些學校他產業他過去當然有一些產業的產學合作建校合作的模式\n不是嘛,部長,我想你這個3加4喔,剛剛我念了這麼一大堆喔,事實上都是產學專班底下的不同的方案啦齁,我建議您啦齁,您自己喔,我今天是沒有時間,我不想一個一個考你啦,我可以保證這題如果考你,你考60分不到啦。為什麼?因為本席昨天晚上要能了解這一些來詢問你的時候,我看了又看,真的是一團混亂。\n委員是不是能夠讓我對3加2新五專\n響鐘\n議員議員議員\n部長,我們不管3加2\n參議院委員會委員會委員會\n我們希望教育部能夠比照過去的國教輔導團或者是學習歷程檔案說明是不是能夠來組織一個這個計職專案輔導團來做巡迴的說明讓教育部這麼好的政策可以讓我們全國的學校都知道好不好那部長您之後再回覆萬委員好不好最後這一點這可不可以來做這可以來做嗎可以喔那會後希望部長給我一個詳細的說明那我們就到這\n第二位質詢的\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.665 --> 00:28.959\n部長早我想有關現在有高中在發暫時狀態青年扶勤同意書那昨天我有看到部長有出來做說明不過呢在本期選區內還是很多的家長跟很多的民眾都有非常多的疑慮跟恐慌所以我想今天在這裡再就教部長一次讓您有機會更正式的來說明白我想在去年的二月傳出國防部要修這個權動法\n\n00:30.100 --> 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不要再為了升學組織配合組織很清楚就是說3加2的學生希望說他們到高3可以中10座啦那沒有升學壓力啦那但是呢"},{"start":529.87,"end":535.455,"text":"今天喔?部長,那如果三家這麼好,三家四還要繼續留嗎?產西,產西合作專班還要繼續留嗎?有一些學校他產業他過去當然有一些產業的產學合作建校合作的模式"},{"start":547.244,"end":568.835,"text":"不是嘛,部長,我想你這個3加4喔,剛剛我念了這麼一大堆喔,事實上都是產學專班底下的不同的方案啦齁,我建議您啦齁,您自己喔,我今天是沒有時間,我不想一個一個考你啦,我可以保證這題如果考你,你考60分不到啦。為什麼?因為本席昨天晚上要能了解這一些來詢問你的時候,我看了又看,真的是一團混亂。"},{"start":570.356,"end":570.796,"text":"委員是不是能夠讓我對3加2新五專"},{"start":596.032,"end":611.34,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":611.34,"end":633.592,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":633.592,"end":633.792,"text":"部長,我們不管3加2"},{"start":658.024,"end":658.245,"text":"參議院委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":677.068,"end":691.036,"text":"我們希望教育部能夠比照過去的國教輔導團或者是學習歷程檔案說明是不是能夠來組織一個這個計職專案輔導團來做巡迴的說明讓教育部這麼好的政策可以讓我們全國的學校都知道好不好那部長您之後再回覆萬委員好不好最後這一點這可不可以來做這可以來做嗎可以喔那會後希望部長給我一個詳細的說明那我們就到這"},{"start":705.564,"end":706.065,"text":"第二位質詢的"}]}}},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"sessionTimes":4,"tmpMeeting":null,"committees":[22],"term":11,"id":"委員會-11-2-22-4","title":"第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議","type":"委員會"},"會議時間":"2024-10-16T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"09:20:15 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