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00:01:58,161\n一條文參議院有意見以至於這個案子目前停滯在參議院但是就我所知美方的行政部門以及國會跨黨派的議員依然是非常支持臺美洽簽ADTA這個案子不管是本部跟對方的美方的財政部也好或者是外交部以及我們的駐美代表以及還有AIT這邊都非常的密切的關注這個案子的驅動情形\n\n6\n00:01:59,702 --> 00:02:08,985\n你認為有沒有可能藉由包裹立法手段取得貿易談判的籌碼有關貿易談判這個部分事實上並不是在這個包裹法案裡面那有關貿易談判因為也不是屬於我們財政部的執掌在對方也不是美方的財政部執掌而在我們這邊是由經貿談判公司在主政所以我們這個部分事實上是我們在積極推動有關\n\n7\n00:02:26,811 --> 00:02:47,680\n我們會積極的跟美方這邊做相關的密切關注的一些聯繫當然我們也知道美國在11月就有大選那這個部分恐怕等大選後才會有進一步的進展因為幾個禮拜前AIT處長古立言來拜會財政部那請問你和古立言處長對台美避免雙重課稅協定這個\n\n8\n00:02:52,551 --> 00:02:54,031\n的現況到底有沒有進一步討論或看法?有沒有談到這一點?是禮貌性沒有談是不是?\n\n9\n00:03:13,317 --> 00:03:17,498\n財政部的一些高階的主管們其實跟他都熟識所以也有一些敘舊的大家都聊得蠻開心的\n\n10\n00:03:37,583 --> 00:04:04,184\n近來中國動作博大連APEC特使人選都傳出中國有意見那基於美國、中國以及台灣的雙方關係的變化那整個目前台美租稅協定的進度你認為有沒有中國介入干預變數的存在有沒有我沒有這樣方面的訊息並沒有聽到這樣的訊息沒有齁部長\n\n11\n00:04:05,405 --> 00:04:25,818\n在全球貿易這個整個貿易全球化的時代台灣的產業想要做全世界的生意除了強化自身產品的品質特色和安全外那再加入區域經濟組織和簽署自由貿易協定絕對是有其必要但是吼這些年吶\n\n12\n00:04:26,678 --> 00:04:40,202\n台灣與其他國家洽簽的自由貿易協定的進度可以說非常的緩慢幾乎沒有進展宣傳多年的這個CPTPP就是跨太平洋這個\n\n13\n00:04:42,771 --> 00:05:02,874\n夥伴全面進步協定到現在為止也沒有具體的進展就是連宣稱關係友好的美日和澳簽訂的FTA也看不到它的結果部長對於產業轉型政府或許持續的推動\n\n14\n00:05:03,755 --> 00:05:25,327\n但是你認為光是數位轉型品牌的建立就能夠協助這些弱勢產業找到真正的春天嗎?我想我們要強化我們自己的產業不管是轉型也好或是淨零也好、淨零排碳也好都是國際競爭上面需要做到的那至於參與所謂的國際的所謂TPP等等\n\n15\n00:05:29,409 --> 00:05:46,794\n那行政院的經貿辦公室都會在後面...但是都沒有進展啊!這個部分應該他們會更清楚有啦!很高調啦!但是都沒有進展啦!換句話說如果自由貿易協定還是沒有辦法簽訂你認為整個國內產業在供應鏈重組的短鏈革命中又應該要怎麼樣去面對它的挑戰呢?\n\n16\n00:05:55,736 --> 00:05:55,756\n部長\n\n17\n00:06:24,264 --> 00:06:38,795\n其實齁,台積電就看出來了啦。他們人家要我們去設,我們就設。阿到現在為止怎麼樣?幾乎啦。講實在話,我們齁,一取一求。但是我們要跟人家洽簽,人家就慢慢來吧。\n\n18\n00:06:40,016 --> 00:07:03,616\n我認為這方面政府應該要去想辦法突破部長媒體報導台股當沖降稅優惠今年年底屆期行政院版的修法延長優惠的措施到2027年底預估股市日均值能夠維持在4000億元到4500億元左右之間\n\n19\n00:07:05,157 --> 00:07:18,062\n那部長當中降稅的千分之三降到千分之一1.5最早是2017年4月28號實施經過兩度的延長請問目前修法延長是不是唯一的選項\n\n20\n00:07:20,739 --> 00:07:44,931\n這個部分我們跟金管會有過相關的討論當然資本市場或證券市場相關的一個流動性或增加它的活絡性它的措施有很多那這個部分當沖降稅是其中的一項我想應該不是唯一那我請問你部長能不能說明當沖降稅常態化和取消當沖降稅被行政院排除的理由\n\n21\n00:07:46,981 --> 00:08:02,247\n當中降稅常態化這個部分我們必須要說明依據納稅者權利保護法的規定租稅的優惠要明定實施的年限要達成它合理的政策目的為限不可以過度所以沒有所謂把它取消然後成為常態化的目的\n\n22\n00:08:04,007 --> 00:08:30,926\n至於要不要取消當中降稅這樣的一個措施我想金管會剛剛副主委已經有過相關的一個說明基本上我們認為維持證券市場的一個流動性而且代表整個資本市場的一個活絡照部長跟剛剛金管會的說法就是不能常態化卻能接受動態調整合理化修法來延長當中降稅他理由的依據到底是什麼\n\n23\n00:08:31,707 --> 00:08:50,605\n就是剛剛委員所說的就是一個動態的調整那這個期間上我們認為是三言四語的那如果要是取消當中降稅中央政府稅收股市成交量能這個台股投資人外資以及國內財經等等層面有哪些會受到\n\n24\n00:08:51,646 --> 00:09:09,325\n最大的一個衝擊跟委員報告證券市場的交易量受到許多因素的影響不管是政治、經濟還有國際情勢、投資人的心理等等的因素那當衝降稅會造成交易量多大的一個變化可能單獨要把它分裂出來並不是一個容易而且具體客觀的一個數據部長是\n\n25\n00:09:11,727 --> 00:09:29,958\n因為本席認為說這個納保法第六條租稅優惠常態化的可行性被排除以導致政府修法延長當沖降稅每次要找不同的條件讓修法延長合理化那我請問部長你認為\n\n26\n00:09:32,860 --> 00:09:48,330\n這是修法的常態嗎?因為資本市場的變動因素很多當然在修法的時候他必須考量當時的一些情形來作為是不是要做持續延長的一個因素那因為以前的狀況跟現在狀況有不同的時候當然修法的理由就會有不同\n\n27\n00:09:51,932 --> 00:10:20,249\n部長當初當沖降稅是基於股市量能創新低那基於振興股市的考量結果第一次延長第二次的延長理由不但不同甚至於就像為了刺激台股量能當沖降稅宛如稀釋興奮劑也在所不惜那我請問部長難道不會造成整個政策這個降稅修法污名化嗎\n\n28\n00:10:21,807 --> 00:10:44,449\n我想我們會極力的說明為什麼會要這樣降稅那金管會剛剛副主委也說明的很清楚這樣的一個措施採取的一些理由那或者部長你認為未來還會有第四次延長第五次延長會不會這個部分沒有辦法做預期因為本席認為說因為三年的時間的變動其實是有因為本席認為說真的\n\n29\n00:10:46,030 --> 00:10:55,292\n要慎重考量修法延長時間的條件修法次數的政策必須要與\n\n30\n00:10:57,424 --> 00:11:20,537\n的重要性並且要合理化因為你一次又一次一次又一次幾乎都是用那種就是為了這個當從降稅然後一直展延所以說這個部分我認為財政部跟金管會應該好好審慎的去做處理是的我們兩個部會其實都有做審密的一個討論是的好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n31\n00:11:24,516 --> 00:11:26,844\n謝謝林德虎委員,接著請吳秉瑞委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n389\t17524\t主席、莊部長還有與會各列席官員各銀行的董事長、總經理還有金管會副局長以及所有列席金管會的官員是不是請莊部長莊部長\n25121\t53175\t委員長你好對於台美租稅協定的推動時程因為本席曾經質詢過這一屆國會改選前有沒有機會來通過你說就算是美國下屆新國會財政部也是會努力的來推動請問部長財政部一直努力在推動但是到目前為止還是沒有辦法確定它的進度\n54255\t59339\t就你所知,原因真的是美國國會的兩黨的國會議員對於同樣包括在內的美國國內稅法有不同意見嗎?\n72603\t89425\t各位委員報告有關台美ADTA這個案子包括快速減免法案跟授權法案在這個眾院的時候1月就已經通過了那現在目前在參院那又尤其是因為它是包裹法案那包裹法案裡面因為對於其他的另外一個法\n90226\t118161\t一條文參議院有意見以至於這個案子目前停滯在參議院但是就我所知美方的行政部門以及國會跨黨派的議員依然是非常支持臺美洽簽ADTA這個案子不管是本部跟對方的美方的財政部也好或者是外交部以及我們的駐美代表以及還有AIT這邊都非常的密切的關注這個案子的驅動情形\n119702\t128985\t你認為有沒有可能藉由包裹立法手段取得貿易談判的籌碼有關貿易談判這個部分事實上並不是在這個包裹法案裡面那有關貿易談判因為也不是屬於我們財政部的執掌在對方也不是美方的財政部執掌而在我們這邊是由經貿談判公司在主政所以我們這個部分事實上是我們在積極推動有關\n146811\t167680\t我們會積極的跟美方這邊做相關的密切關注的一些聯繫當然我們也知道美國在11月就有大選那這個部分恐怕等大選後才會有進一步的進展因為幾個禮拜前AIT處長古立言來拜會財政部那請問你和古立言處長對台美避免雙重課稅協定這個\n172551\t174031\t的現況到底有沒有進一步討論或看法?有沒有談到這一點?是禮貌性沒有談是不是?\n193317\t197498\t財政部的一些高階的主管們其實跟他都熟識所以也有一些敘舊的大家都聊得蠻開心的\n217583\t244184\t近來中國動作博大連APEC特使人選都傳出中國有意見那基於美國、中國以及台灣的雙方關係的變化那整個目前台美租稅協定的進度你認為有沒有中國介入干預變數的存在有沒有我沒有這樣方面的訊息並沒有聽到這樣的訊息沒有齁部長\n245405\t265818\t在全球貿易這個整個貿易全球化的時代台灣的產業想要做全世界的生意除了強化自身產品的品質特色和安全外那再加入區域經濟組織和簽署自由貿易協定絕對是有其必要但是吼這些年吶\n266678\t280202\t台灣與其他國家洽簽的自由貿易協定的進度可以說非常的緩慢幾乎沒有進展宣傳多年的這個CPTPP就是跨太平洋這個\n282771\t302874\t夥伴全面進步協定到現在為止也沒有具體的進展就是連宣稱關係友好的美日和澳簽訂的FTA也看不到它的結果部長對於產業轉型政府或許持續的推動\n303755\t325327\t但是你認為光是數位轉型品牌的建立就能夠協助這些弱勢產業找到真正的春天嗎?我想我們要強化我們自己的產業不管是轉型也好或是淨零也好、淨零排碳也好都是國際競爭上面需要做到的那至於參與所謂的國際的所謂TPP等等\n329409\t346794\t那行政院的經貿辦公室都會在後面...但是都沒有進展啊!這個部分應該他們會更清楚有啦!很高調啦!但是都沒有進展啦!換句話說如果自由貿易協定還是沒有辦法簽訂你認為整個國內產業在供應鏈重組的短鏈革命中又應該要怎麼樣去面對它的挑戰呢?\n355736\t355756\t部長\n384264\t398795\t其實齁,台積電就看出來了啦。他們人家要我們去設,我們就設。阿到現在為止怎麼樣?幾乎啦。講實在話,我們齁,一取一求。但是我們要跟人家洽簽,人家就慢慢來吧。\n400016\t423616\t我認為這方面政府應該要去想辦法突破部長媒體報導台股當沖降稅優惠今年年底屆期行政院版的修法延長優惠的措施到2027年底預估股市日均值能夠維持在4000億元到4500億元左右之間\n425157\t438062\t那部長當中降稅的千分之三降到千分之一1.5最早是2017年4月28號實施經過兩度的延長請問目前修法延長是不是唯一的選項\n440739\t464931\t這個部分我們跟金管會有過相關的討論當然資本市場或證券市場相關的一個流動性或增加它的活絡性它的措施有很多那這個部分當沖降稅是其中的一項我想應該不是唯一那我請問你部長能不能說明當沖降稅常態化和取消當沖降稅被行政院排除的理由\n466981\t482247\t當中降稅常態化這個部分我們必須要說明依據納稅者權利保護法的規定租稅的優惠要明定實施的年限要達成它合理的政策目的為限不可以過度所以沒有所謂把它取消然後成為常態化的目的\n484007\t510926\t至於要不要取消當中降稅這樣的一個措施我想金管會剛剛副主委已經有過相關的一個說明基本上我們認為維持證券市場的一個流動性而且代表整個資本市場的一個活絡照部長跟剛剛金管會的說法就是不能常態化卻能接受動態調整合理化修法來延長當中降稅他理由的依據到底是什麼\n511707\t530605\t就是剛剛委員所說的就是一個動態的調整那這個期間上我們認為是三言四語的那如果要是取消當中降稅中央政府稅收股市成交量能這個台股投資人外資以及國內財經等等層面有哪些會受到\n531646\t549325\t最大的一個衝擊跟委員報告證券市場的交易量受到許多因素的影響不管是政治、經濟還有國際情勢、投資人的心理等等的因素那當衝降稅會造成交易量多大的一個變化可能單獨要把它分裂出來並不是一個容易而且具體客觀的一個數據部長是\n551727\t569958\t因為本席認為說這個納保法第六條租稅優惠常態化的可行性被排除以導致政府修法延長當沖降稅每次要找不同的條件讓修法延長合理化那我請問部長你認為\n572860\t588330\t這是修法的常態嗎?因為資本市場的變動因素很多當然在修法的時候他必須考量當時的一些情形來作為是不是要做持續延長的一個因素那因為以前的狀況跟現在狀況有不同的時候當然修法的理由就會有不同\n591932\t620249\t部長當初當沖降稅是基於股市量能創新低那基於振興股市的考量結果第一次延長第二次的延長理由不但不同甚至於就像為了刺激台股量能當沖降稅宛如稀釋興奮劑也在所不惜那我請問部長難道不會造成整個政策這個降稅修法污名化嗎\n621807\t644449\t我想我們會極力的說明為什麼會要這樣降稅那金管會剛剛副主委也說明的很清楚這樣的一個措施採取的一些理由那或者部長你認為未來還會有第四次延長第五次延長會不會這個部分沒有辦法做預期因為本席認為說因為三年的時間的變動其實是有因為本席認為說真的\n646030\t655292\t要慎重考量修法延長時間的條件修法次數的政策必須要與\n657424\t680537\t的重要性並且要合理化因為你一次又一次一次又一次幾乎都是用那種就是為了這個當從降稅然後一直展延所以說這個部分我認為財政部跟金管會應該好好審慎的去做處理是的我們兩個部會其實都有做審密的一個討論是的好謝謝謝謝委員\n684516\t686844\t謝謝林德虎委員,接著請吳秉瑞委員發言\n","txt":"主席、莊部長還有與會各列席官員各銀行的董事長、總經理還有金管會副局長以及所有列席金管會的官員是不是請莊部長莊部長\n委員長你好對於台美租稅協定的推動時程因為本席曾經質詢過這一屆國會改選前有沒有機會來通過你說就算是美國下屆新國會財政部也是會努力的來推動請問部長財政部一直努力在推動但是到目前為止還是沒有辦法確定它的進度\n就你所知,原因真的是美國國會的兩黨的國會議員對於同樣包括在內的美國國內稅法有不同意見嗎?\n各位委員報告有關台美ADTA這個案子包括快速減免法案跟授權法案在這個眾院的時候1月就已經通過了那現在目前在參院那又尤其是因為它是包裹法案那包裹法案裡面因為對於其他的另外一個法\n一條文參議院有意見以至於這個案子目前停滯在參議院但是就我所知美方的行政部門以及國會跨黨派的議員依然是非常支持臺美洽簽ADTA這個案子不管是本部跟對方的美方的財政部也好或者是外交部以及我們的駐美代表以及還有AIT這邊都非常的密切的關注這個案子的驅動情形\n你認為有沒有可能藉由包裹立法手段取得貿易談判的籌碼有關貿易談判這個部分事實上並不是在這個包裹法案裡面那有關貿易談判因為也不是屬於我們財政部的執掌在對方也不是美方的財政部執掌而在我們這邊是由經貿談判公司在主政所以我們這個部分事實上是我們在積極推動有關\n我們會積極的跟美方這邊做相關的密切關注的一些聯繫當然我們也知道美國在11月就有大選那這個部分恐怕等大選後才會有進一步的進展因為幾個禮拜前AIT處長古立言來拜會財政部那請問你和古立言處長對台美避免雙重課稅協定這個\n的現況到底有沒有進一步討論或看法?有沒有談到這一點?是禮貌性沒有談是不是?\n財政部的一些高階的主管們其實跟他都熟識所以也有一些敘舊的大家都聊得蠻開心的\n近來中國動作博大連APEC特使人選都傳出中國有意見那基於美國、中國以及台灣的雙方關係的變化那整個目前台美租稅協定的進度你認為有沒有中國介入干預變數的存在有沒有我沒有這樣方面的訊息並沒有聽到這樣的訊息沒有齁部長\n在全球貿易這個整個貿易全球化的時代台灣的產業想要做全世界的生意除了強化自身產品的品質特色和安全外那再加入區域經濟組織和簽署自由貿易協定絕對是有其必要但是吼這些年吶\n台灣與其他國家洽簽的自由貿易協定的進度可以說非常的緩慢幾乎沒有進展宣傳多年的這個CPTPP就是跨太平洋這個\n夥伴全面進步協定到現在為止也沒有具體的進展就是連宣稱關係友好的美日和澳簽訂的FTA也看不到它的結果部長對於產業轉型政府或許持續的推動\n但是你認為光是數位轉型品牌的建立就能夠協助這些弱勢產業找到真正的春天嗎?我想我們要強化我們自己的產業不管是轉型也好或是淨零也好、淨零排碳也好都是國際競爭上面需要做到的那至於參與所謂的國際的所謂TPP等等\n那行政院的經貿辦公室都會在後面...但是都沒有進展啊!這個部分應該他們會更清楚有啦!很高調啦!但是都沒有進展啦!換句話說如果自由貿易協定還是沒有辦法簽訂你認為整個國內產業在供應鏈重組的短鏈革命中又應該要怎麼樣去面對它的挑戰呢?\n部長\n其實齁,台積電就看出來了啦。他們人家要我們去設,我們就設。阿到現在為止怎麼樣?幾乎啦。講實在話,我們齁,一取一求。但是我們要跟人家洽簽,人家就慢慢來吧。\n我認為這方面政府應該要去想辦法突破部長媒體報導台股當沖降稅優惠今年年底屆期行政院版的修法延長優惠的措施到2027年底預估股市日均值能夠維持在4000億元到4500億元左右之間\n那部長當中降稅的千分之三降到千分之一1.5最早是2017年4月28號實施經過兩度的延長請問目前修法延長是不是唯一的選項\n這個部分我們跟金管會有過相關的討論當然資本市場或證券市場相關的一個流動性或增加它的活絡性它的措施有很多那這個部分當沖降稅是其中的一項我想應該不是唯一那我請問你部長能不能說明當沖降稅常態化和取消當沖降稅被行政院排除的理由\n當中降稅常態化這個部分我們必須要說明依據納稅者權利保護法的規定租稅的優惠要明定實施的年限要達成它合理的政策目的為限不可以過度所以沒有所謂把它取消然後成為常態化的目的\n至於要不要取消當中降稅這樣的一個措施我想金管會剛剛副主委已經有過相關的一個說明基本上我們認為維持證券市場的一個流動性而且代表整個資本市場的一個活絡照部長跟剛剛金管會的說法就是不能常態化卻能接受動態調整合理化修法來延長當中降稅他理由的依據到底是什麼\n就是剛剛委員所說的就是一個動態的調整那這個期間上我們認為是三言四語的那如果要是取消當中降稅中央政府稅收股市成交量能這個台股投資人外資以及國內財經等等層面有哪些會受到\n最大的一個衝擊跟委員報告證券市場的交易量受到許多因素的影響不管是政治、經濟還有國際情勢、投資人的心理等等的因素那當衝降稅會造成交易量多大的一個變化可能單獨要把它分裂出來並不是一個容易而且具體客觀的一個數據部長是\n因為本席認為說這個納保法第六條租稅優惠常態化的可行性被排除以導致政府修法延長當沖降稅每次要找不同的條件讓修法延長合理化那我請問部長你認為\n這是修法的常態嗎?因為資本市場的變動因素很多當然在修法的時候他必須考量當時的一些情形來作為是不是要做持續延長的一個因素那因為以前的狀況跟現在狀況有不同的時候當然修法的理由就會有不同\n部長當初當沖降稅是基於股市量能創新低那基於振興股市的考量結果第一次延長第二次的延長理由不但不同甚至於就像為了刺激台股量能當沖降稅宛如稀釋興奮劑也在所不惜那我請問部長難道不會造成整個政策這個降稅修法污名化嗎\n我想我們會極力的說明為什麼會要這樣降稅那金管會剛剛副主委也說明的很清楚這樣的一個措施採取的一些理由那或者部長你認為未來還會有第四次延長第五次延長會不會這個部分沒有辦法做預期因為本席認為說因為三年的時間的變動其實是有因為本席認為說真的\n要慎重考量修法延長時間的條件修法次數的政策必須要與\n的重要性並且要合理化因為你一次又一次一次又一次幾乎都是用那種就是為了這個當從降稅然後一直展延所以說這個部分我認為財政部跟金管會應該好好審慎的去做處理是的我們兩個部會其實都有做審密的一個討論是的好謝謝謝謝委員\n謝謝林德虎委員,接著請吳秉瑞委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.389 --> 00:17.524\n主席、莊部長還有與會各列席官員各銀行的董事長、總經理還有金管會副局長以及所有列席金管會的官員是不是請莊部長莊部長\n\n00:25.121 --> 00:53.175\n委員長你好對於台美租稅協定的推動時程因為本席曾經質詢過這一屆國會改選前有沒有機會來通過你說就算是美國下屆新國會財政部也是會努力的來推動請問部長財政部一直努力在推動但是到目前為止還是沒有辦法確定它的進度\n\n00:54.255 --> 00:59.339\n就你所知,原因真的是美國國會的兩黨的國會議員對於同樣包括在內的美國國內稅法有不同意見嗎?\n\n01:12.603 --> 01:29.425\n各位委員報告有關台美ADTA這個案子包括快速減免法案跟授權法案在這個眾院的時候1月就已經通過了那現在目前在參院那又尤其是因為它是包裹法案那包裹法案裡面因為對於其他的另外一個法\n\n01:30.226 --> 01:58.161\n一條文參議院有意見以至於這個案子目前停滯在參議院但是就我所知美方的行政部門以及國會跨黨派的議員依然是非常支持臺美洽簽ADTA這個案子不管是本部跟對方的美方的財政部也好或者是外交部以及我們的駐美代表以及還有AIT這邊都非常的密切的關注這個案子的驅動情形\n\n01:59.702 --> 02:08.985\n你認為有沒有可能藉由包裹立法手段取得貿易談判的籌碼有關貿易談判這個部分事實上並不是在這個包裹法案裡面那有關貿易談判因為也不是屬於我們財政部的執掌在對方也不是美方的財政部執掌而在我們這邊是由經貿談判公司在主政所以我們這個部分事實上是我們在積極推動有關\n\n02:26.811 --> 02:47.680\n我們會積極的跟美方這邊做相關的密切關注的一些聯繫當然我們也知道美國在11月就有大選那這個部分恐怕等大選後才會有進一步的進展因為幾個禮拜前AIT處長古立言來拜會財政部那請問你和古立言處長對台美避免雙重課稅協定這個\n\n02:52.551 --> 02:54.031\n的現況到底有沒有進一步討論或看法?有沒有談到這一點?是禮貌性沒有談是不是?\n\n03:13.317 --> 03:17.498\n財政部的一些高階的主管們其實跟他都熟識所以也有一些敘舊的大家都聊得蠻開心的\n\n03:37.583 --> 04:04.184\n近來中國動作博大連APEC特使人選都傳出中國有意見那基於美國、中國以及台灣的雙方關係的變化那整個目前台美租稅協定的進度你認為有沒有中國介入干預變數的存在有沒有我沒有這樣方面的訊息並沒有聽到這樣的訊息沒有齁部長\n\n04:05.405 --> 04:25.818\n在全球貿易這個整個貿易全球化的時代台灣的產業想要做全世界的生意除了強化自身產品的品質特色和安全外那再加入區域經濟組織和簽署自由貿易協定絕對是有其必要但是吼這些年吶\n\n04:26.678 --> 04:40.202\n台灣與其他國家洽簽的自由貿易協定的進度可以說非常的緩慢幾乎沒有進展宣傳多年的這個CPTPP就是跨太平洋這個\n\n04:42.771 --> 05:02.874\n夥伴全面進步協定到現在為止也沒有具體的進展就是連宣稱關係友好的美日和澳簽訂的FTA也看不到它的結果部長對於產業轉型政府或許持續的推動\n\n05:03.755 --> 05:25.327\n但是你認為光是數位轉型品牌的建立就能夠協助這些弱勢產業找到真正的春天嗎?我想我們要強化我們自己的產業不管是轉型也好或是淨零也好、淨零排碳也好都是國際競爭上面需要做到的那至於參與所謂的國際的所謂TPP等等\n\n05:29.409 --> 05:46.794\n那行政院的經貿辦公室都會在後面...但是都沒有進展啊!這個部分應該他們會更清楚有啦!很高調啦!但是都沒有進展啦!換句話說如果自由貿易協定還是沒有辦法簽訂你認為整個國內產業在供應鏈重組的短鏈革命中又應該要怎麼樣去面對它的挑戰呢?\n\n05:55.736 --> 05:55.756\n部長\n\n06:24.264 --> 06:38.795\n其實齁,台積電就看出來了啦。他們人家要我們去設,我們就設。阿到現在為止怎麼樣?幾乎啦。講實在話,我們齁,一取一求。但是我們要跟人家洽簽,人家就慢慢來吧。\n\n06:40.016 --> 07:03.616\n我認為這方面政府應該要去想辦法突破部長媒體報導台股當沖降稅優惠今年年底屆期行政院版的修法延長優惠的措施到2027年底預估股市日均值能夠維持在4000億元到4500億元左右之間\n\n07:05.157 --> 07:18.062\n那部長當中降稅的千分之三降到千分之一1.5最早是2017年4月28號實施經過兩度的延長請問目前修法延長是不是唯一的選項\n\n07:20.739 --> 07:44.931\n這個部分我們跟金管會有過相關的討論當然資本市場或證券市場相關的一個流動性或增加它的活絡性它的措施有很多那這個部分當沖降稅是其中的一項我想應該不是唯一那我請問你部長能不能說明當沖降稅常態化和取消當沖降稅被行政院排除的理由\n\n07:46.981 --> 08:02.247\n當中降稅常態化這個部分我們必須要說明依據納稅者權利保護法的規定租稅的優惠要明定實施的年限要達成它合理的政策目的為限不可以過度所以沒有所謂把它取消然後成為常態化的目的\n\n08:04.007 --> 08:30.926\n至於要不要取消當中降稅這樣的一個措施我想金管會剛剛副主委已經有過相關的一個說明基本上我們認為維持證券市場的一個流動性而且代表整個資本市場的一個活絡照部長跟剛剛金管會的說法就是不能常態化卻能接受動態調整合理化修法來延長當中降稅他理由的依據到底是什麼\n\n08:31.707 --> 08:50.605\n就是剛剛委員所說的就是一個動態的調整那這個期間上我們認為是三言四語的那如果要是取消當中降稅中央政府稅收股市成交量能這個台股投資人外資以及國內財經等等層面有哪些會受到\n\n08:51.646 --> 09:09.325\n最大的一個衝擊跟委員報告證券市場的交易量受到許多因素的影響不管是政治、經濟還有國際情勢、投資人的心理等等的因素那當衝降稅會造成交易量多大的一個變化可能單獨要把它分裂出來並不是一個容易而且具體客觀的一個數據部長是\n\n09:11.727 --> 09:29.958\n因為本席認為說這個納保法第六條租稅優惠常態化的可行性被排除以導致政府修法延長當沖降稅每次要找不同的條件讓修法延長合理化那我請問部長你認為\n\n09:32.860 --> 09:48.330\n這是修法的常態嗎?因為資本市場的變動因素很多當然在修法的時候他必須考量當時的一些情形來作為是不是要做持續延長的一個因素那因為以前的狀況跟現在狀況有不同的時候當然修法的理由就會有不同\n\n09:51.932 --> 10:20.249\n部長當初當沖降稅是基於股市量能創新低那基於振興股市的考量結果第一次延長第二次的延長理由不但不同甚至於就像為了刺激台股量能當沖降稅宛如稀釋興奮劑也在所不惜那我請問部長難道不會造成整個政策這個降稅修法污名化嗎\n\n10:21.807 --> 10:44.449\n我想我們會極力的說明為什麼會要這樣降稅那金管會剛剛副主委也說明的很清楚這樣的一個措施採取的一些理由那或者部長你認為未來還會有第四次延長第五次延長會不會這個部分沒有辦法做預期因為本席認為說因為三年的時間的變動其實是有因為本席認為說真的\n\n10:46.030 --> 10:55.292\n要慎重考量修法延長時間的條件修法次數的政策必須要與\n\n10:57.424 --> 11:20.537\n的重要性並且要合理化因為你一次又一次一次又一次幾乎都是用那種就是為了這個當從降稅然後一直展延所以說這個部分我認為財政部跟金管會應該好好審慎的去做處理是的我們兩個部會其實都有做審密的一個討論是的好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n11:24.516 --> 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Tahovecahe等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(五)\t本院委員賴惠員等37人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】\n(六)\t本院委員林楚茵等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】\n(七)\t本院委員邱志偉等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n【10月16日及17日二天一次會】）","id":155498,"gazette":{"lineno":90,"blocks":[["林委員德福：（9時30分）謝謝主席。莊部長、與會各列席官員、各銀行的董事長、總經理，以及金管會副主委與所有列席的金管會官員。請莊部長。"],["主席：請莊部長。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員好。"],["林委員德福：部長好。對於臺美租稅協定的推動時程，本席曾經質詢過這一屆國會改選前有沒有機會通過，你說就算是美國下屆新國會，財政部也是會努力來推動。請問部長，財政部一直努力在推動，但是到目前為止還是沒有辦法確定它的進度，就你所知，原因真的是美國國會的兩黨國會議員對於同樣包裹在內的美國國內稅法有不同意見嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，有關臺美ADTA的案子，包括快速減免法案跟授權法案，1月在眾院的時候就已經通過了，目前在參院，它是包裹法案，包裹法案裡面因為參議院的參議員對於其他另外一個法律的條文有意見，以至於這個案子目前停滯在參議院。但是就我所知，美方的行政部門以及國會跨黨派的議員依然是非常支持臺美洽簽ADTA這個案子，不管是本部跟美方的財政部也好，或者是外交部以及我們的駐美代表以及AIT這邊都非常密切關注這個案子的推動情形。"],["林委員德福：我請問你，你認為有沒有可能藉由包裹立法手段取得貿易談判籌碼？"],["莊部長翠雲：有關貿易談判部分，事實上並不是在這個包裹法案裡面，有關貿易談判，在我方也不是財政部的職掌，在對方也不是美方的財政部職掌，我們這邊是由經貿談判辦公室在主政，所以這個部分，事實上是我們在積極推動有關ADTA的案子，我們會積極地跟美方做相關密切關注的聯繫。"],["林委員德福：部長……"],["莊部長翠雲：當然我們也知道，美國在11月就有大選……"],["林委員德福：我知道。"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分恐怕要等大選後才會有進一步的進展。"],["林委員德福：部長，幾個禮拜前AIT處長谷立言來拜會財政部，請問你和谷立言處長對臺美避免雙重課稅協定的現況，到底有沒有進一步討論或看法？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，因為谷立言處長於7月就任AIT處長以後，就禮貌性地拜會我國的相關部會，所以在上個月來到財政部，都是禮貌性的拜會，當然ADTA……"],["林委員德福：有沒有談到這一點？是禮貌性的拜會，所以沒有談到，是嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：ADTA這個事情，當然美方關注、我方也關注，彼此都會談到，當然就如同我剛剛所報告的，目前在參議院，恐怕要等到美國大選以後，看看有沒有進一步的機會來推動。因為谷處長也是第三次到臺灣就任，財政部的一些高階主管們其實跟他都熟識，所以也有一些敘舊，大家都聊得滿開心的。"],["林委員德福：部長，近來中國動作頗大，連APEC特使人選都傳出中國有意見，基於美國、中國及臺灣的三方關係變化，目前整個臺美租稅協定的進度，你認為有沒有中國介入干預的變數存在？"],["莊部長翠雲：我沒有這方面的訊息，並沒有聽到這樣的訊息。"],["林委員德福：沒有？"],["莊部長翠雲：對。"],["林委員德福：部長，在整個貿易全球化的時代，臺灣的產業想要做全世界的生意，除了強化自身產品的品質、特色及安全外，再加入區域經濟組織和簽署自由貿易協定是絕對有其必要。但是這些年，臺灣與其他國家洽簽自由貿易協定的進度可以說是非常地緩慢，幾乎沒有進展，宣傳多年的跨太平洋夥伴全面進步協定（CPTPP），到現在為止也沒有具體的進展，就連宣稱關係友好的美、日、澳簽訂的FTA也看不到它的結果。部長，對於產業轉型，政府或許持續的推動，但是你認為光是數位轉型品牌的建立就能夠協助這些弱勢產業找到真正的春天嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：我想我們要強化我們自己的產業，不管是轉型也好，或是淨零排碳也好，都是國際競爭上面需要做到的。至於參與國際的CPTPP等等，行政院的經貿辦公室都會在後面推動。"],["林委員德福：但是都沒有進展啊！部長。"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分他們應該會更清楚。"],["林委員德福：有啦，很高調啦，但是都沒有進展，換句話說，如果自由貿易協定還是沒有辦法簽訂，你認為整個國內產業在供應鏈重組的這個短鏈革命中，又應該要怎麼樣去面對它的挑戰呢？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們要強化我們自己的產業體質，然後在國際上取得一個關鍵的地位。以我們的出口來說，我們今年的出口其實會創歷年的次高，我們是有信心的。尤其我們在AI以及人工智慧、高效能運算這方面具有產能以及製程的優勢，這個部分我們在國際上具有關鍵地位的時候，別人自然就需要靠我們的供應。"],["林委員德福：部長，其實從台積電就看出來了啦，人家要我們去設，我們就設，到現在為止怎麼樣？幾乎啦，講實在話，我們予取予求，但是我們要跟人家洽簽，人家就慢慢來，我認為這方面政府應該要去想辦法突破。","部長，媒體報導臺股當沖降稅的優惠今年年底屆期，行政院版修法延長優惠措施到2027年底，預估股市日均值能夠維持在4,000億元到4,500億元之間。部長，當沖降稅的3‰降到1.5‰最早是2017年4月28號實施，經過兩度的延長，請問目前修法延長是不是唯一的選項？"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分我們跟金管會有過相關的討論，當然資本市場或證券市場相關的流動性或增加活絡性，它的措施有很多，這個部分當沖降稅是其中的一項而已，我想應該不是唯一。"],["林委員德福：我請問你，部長能不能說明當沖降稅常態化和取消當沖降稅被行政院排除的理由？"],["莊部長翠雲：當沖降稅常態化這個部分，我們必須要說明，依據納稅者權利保護法的規定，租稅的優惠要明定實施的年限，要以達成它合理的政策目的為限，不可以過度，所以沒有所謂把它取消，然後成為常態化的目的。至於要不要取消當沖降稅這樣的一個措施，我想剛剛金管會副主委已經有過相關的說明，基本上，我們認為維持證券市場的流動性，而且帶動資本市場的活絡……"],["林委員德福：所以照部長跟剛剛金管會的說法，就是不能常態化，卻能接受動態調整合理化，以修法來延長當沖降稅，它的依據到底是什麼？"],["莊部長翠雲：就是剛剛委員所說的，是一個動態的調整，這個期間上，我們認為3年是適宜的。"],["林委員德福：如果取消當沖降稅，中央政府稅收、股市成交量能、臺股投資人、外資以及國內財經等等層面，有哪些會受到最大的衝擊？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，證券市場的交易量受到許多因素的影響，不管是政治、經濟還有國際情勢、投資人的心理等等因素，當沖降稅會造成交易量多大的變化，可能要單獨把它分列出來，並不是一個容易而且具體客觀的數據。"],["林委員德福：部長，本席認為納保法第六條，租稅優惠常態化的可行性被排除，已導致政府修法延長當沖降稅，每次都要找不同的條件修法，讓修法延長合理化。我請問部長，你認為這應該是修法的常態嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：因為資本市場的變動因素很多，當然在修法的時候，它必須考量當時的一些情形來作為是不是要持續延長的一個因素，因為以前的狀況跟現在的狀況有不同的話，當然修法的理由就會不同。"],["林委員德福：部長，當初當沖降稅是基於股市量能創新低，基於振興股市的考量，結果第一次延長、第二次延長的理由不但不同，甚至就像為了刺激臺股量能，當沖降稅宛如吸食「興奮劑」也在所不惜。我請問部長，難道不會造成整個政策降稅修法污名化嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：我想我們會極力地說明為什麼要這樣降稅，剛剛金管會副主委也說明得很清楚，採取這個措施的一些理由。"],["林委員德福：部長，又或者你認為未來還會有第四次延長、第五次延長？會不會？"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分沒有辦法預期，因為3年時間的變動其實是有……"],["林委員德福：本席認為真的要慎重考量修法延長時間的條件，修法次數必須要與它的重要性相符，並且要合理化，因為你一次又一次、一次又一次，幾乎都是為了當沖降稅，然後一直展延，這個部分我認為財政部跟金管會應該好好審慎地處理。"],["莊部長翠雲：是的，我們兩個部會其實都有縝密的討論。"],["林委員德福：好，謝謝。"],["莊部長翠雲：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝林德福委員。","接著請吳秉叡委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":340,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-2","speakers":["賴惠員","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","李彥秀","王鴻薇","李坤城","黃珊珊","顏寬恒","王世堅","羅明才","邱志偉","陳培瑜","陳玉珍","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe"],"page_start":277,"meetingDate":["2024-10-16"],"gazette_id":"1138501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138501_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理（含各轉投資事業機構公\n股代表之董、監事）列席業務報告，並備質詢；二、審查「證券交易稅條例」5案：(一)行政院函\n請審議「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委員羅明才等20人\n擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等25人擬具「證券交\n易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等\n19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員邱志偉等19\n人擬具「證券交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1138501_00004"}}}