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00:01:51,598\n假訊息的散播其實也相當的快速你看到這個在PTT的網站上面一直不斷的講台灣的LNG船呢這個掉頭就走台灣的LNG船沒有辦法停泊入港所以台灣很快會發生缺天然氣的危機部長你們要不要趁這個時候啊再一次\n\n6\n00:01:54,419 --> 00:02:21,304\n來跟台灣的國人做最嚴正的聲明到底這件事情是怎麼一回事報告委員我想這個訊息就是如同您指教的這個是虛假的訊息我們當天早上的這一個船進來主要因為他提早到了他提早到了我那個船塢是沒有辦法讓他進港的所以他才繞出去的這個跟所謂的這個中共來圍台\n\n7\n00:02:23,965 --> 00:02:46,144\n我講是沒有正相關的其實中國一直不斷的透過各種的形式創造各式各樣的假議題一直講說台灣會有缺天然氣的危機這個因為環台演習所以LNG船就掉頭就走我覺得像這一些即時的假訊息阻止\n\n8\n00:02:46,724 --> 00:02:48,525\n所以現在我們的天然氣儲存量是足夠的嗎?足夠的\n\n9\n00:03:16,793 --> 00:03:28,711\n來第二個議題我要問這個部長齁要請教您喔這個聽說您前兩天去參加一個論壇對不對這個叫做印太\n\n10\n00:03:30,728 --> 00:03:32,068\n報告委員因為在這個成立大會的時候\n\n11\n00:03:55,834 --> 00:04:10,831\n那麼之前的這個日本駐台大使還有美國駐台大使都有在講就是說大家都是區域聯盟那麼對這個所有的這個命題都應該彼此去關心那麼我們在這個民主同盟的時候我們會討論到這個能源的這個問題\n\n12\n00:04:13,114 --> 00:04:13,334\n當場是沒有\n\n13\n00:04:31,889 --> 00:04:54,728\n但是在之前的時候我們大家都彼此有交換過這個學者專家都有在討論那身為這個區域聯盟的一份子大家彼此對互相的這個綠能因為綠能是2050年淨零減碳最重要的一個命題所以我們在談到說綠能啊大家如果做的話可以互相支援這樣\n\n14\n00:04:56,008 --> 00:04:56,688\n台電持反對的立場\n\n15\n00:05:22,099 --> 00:05:38,606\n你們對於這個所謂的區域聯盟討論能源議題上面這個看法是什麼那個跟委員報告那個減碳是全球性的事情而且現在都有非常多新的電力技術在發展都在倡議要全球合作\n\n16\n00:05:39,446 --> 00:06:05,202\n所以其實台電公司對於所有新的技術發展其實都有在研究那這種海底電纜的技術其實剛才也提到現在交流電的技術已經交流電的海底電纜其實已經都在運用像我們離岸風電就是海底電纜那這個比較長程的是要用直流電的電纜就是高壓直流電纜其實我們有在研究當中那它如果普及應用成本下降其實它也是一個未來我們會採取的電網建設的方式\n\n17\n00:06:08,624 --> 00:06:24,862\n未來會有台電來做嗎我國際合作就不一定是有台電來做因為台電是國營公司啊國際合作需要更多的彈性我想這個要請可能可能不見得台電來幫忙瞭解這個是沒有問題的但是是一個怎麼樣的合作架構我想這個還不確定\n\n18\n00:06:26,670 --> 00:06:42,747\n那我可不可以簡單白話的再問一次齁這件事情上面應該還是在主要還是在研議的階段或者是說大家還在意見交流的階段嗎是不是這樣部長現在是確實是在意見交流的階段\n\n19\n00:06:43,473 --> 00:07:11,473\n好如果是這樣的話我覺得很多的話其實不用講得太前面啦部長還在意見交流的階段其實你也不用講得太具體因為這個很可能是您個人的想法不代表政府的立場也不代表你們現在的規劃建制是已經到了一個成熟的階段所以我覺得民主同盟的這一些包括能源問題的交流是好事但是有一些話其實是不用講得太前面啦\n\n20\n00:07:12,653 --> 00:07:38,279\n謝謝委員執教來那個部長您先休息一下我要接下來請教台電這個我還是要在對於台電公司表達感謝這一次山陀而颱風來對於高雄沿海地區所造成的這個損害台電的同仁不眠不休大概三天不眠不休我知道董事長您也在那裡住了三天全程的在那裡盯場不過\n\n21\n00:07:39,602 --> 00:07:54,356\n台電現在我知道你們要推這個所謂的防災型微電網推動計畫對不對過去你們好像在阿里山已經有推動成功嘛在台東是不是沒有沒有完成因為聽說地方政府\n\n22\n00:07:55,441 --> 00:07:57,382\n臺電公司能夠把這個所謂的防災行為電網推動計畫直接深入到高雄的山區\n\n23\n00:08:17,013 --> 00:08:37,652\n跟委員報告我們各個縣市都有做評估因為上次的颱風開明的時候山區很嚴重這一次山坨是平地很嚴重海邊很嚴重但是每一次只要有風災來山區都很嚴重山區那個要救援要花很多時間所以我們真的覺得微電網是一個好的方法\n\n24\n00:08:38,152 --> 00:08:53,244\n那主要是做在就是他的收容中心那讓他能夠有電那這一個部分只要地方政府能夠選定地點然後我們來跟台電商議那我們一起來找裁員來把這些微電網能夠做起來那我想說這是一個台電會去積極推動的一個項目\n\n25\n00:08:55,225 --> 00:09:15,796\n董事長我應該是要責成你們台電內部應該其實要有主要的專責計畫去做這件事情不能說你現在告訴我說你還要再去找裁員我覺得你所謂的強韌電網的計畫包括你的防災行為電網這個都應該要包含在裡面對於山區容易受到風災影響來產生停電斷電的這樣的一個危險\n\n26\n00:09:19,318 --> 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