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00:00:49,807\n部長首先我要先針對學齡前聽力篩檢政策的議題來跟您先做個討論跟建議像是這樣子在2024年10月的時候有很多相關的報導在談到全台各縣市學齡前聽力篩檢時事上\n\n3\n00:00:53,129 --> 00:01:08,321\n在實際的進行其實有一些很明顯的差異那最重要的一個問題就是很多聽損的兒童沒有辦法被及時的篩檢那因此呢導致他們在進入3歲到4歲幼兒園的時候才發現這個問題可是這個問題就已經嚴重的影響他們的語言學習社交能力還有學籍表現上\n\n4\n00:01:16,207 --> 00:01:33,365\n目前很多家長已經關注而且在處理這個問題所以這個部分本席今天要跟您做提醒也期待教育部這邊會有一些做法這個問題最主要就是說中央有一些篩檢的機制但是從學齡前一直到學習的過程當中學校佔了很重要的一個角色\n\n5\n00:01:39,452 --> 00:01:51,970\n這個問題最主要是在由各地方政府自行負責的時候呢導致在篩檢的覆蓋率資源的配置還有執行標準上產生很大的一個差距那也有一些研究報導的這個顯示3.86的幼兒\n\n6\n00:01:55,515 --> 00:02:11,506\n其實存在聽力的異常問題麻煩回到那個percentage那一頁但是在一些資源比較短缺的地方偏鄉也好或者是資源沒有那麼豐碩教育資源沒有那麼豐碩的地方就產生出這樣子的語言障礙學習的困難\n\n7\n00:02:12,387 --> 00:02:27,632\n所以尤其是在這個像高雄還有離島還有一些像離島的這個各縣市那所以這個部分是在如果能夠及時干預然後讓數據一致性也就是說中央如果能夠有一些做法其實是可以減少這樣的問題那不曉得部長的看法\n\n8\n00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:58,257\n謝謝委員提醒我想這一個在內政部有一個早期療癒的這樣的一個委員會我們也是委員之一那我想我們一定會在這一個委員會裡面做事實的反映那我相信在衛福部的一些相關的醫療系統他也一定能夠掌握這樣一個順序我們來跨部會看怎麼來協助這些幼兒能夠早期被發現能夠讓他們有一個更好的一個發展的一個可能\n\n9\n00:03:00,164 --> 00:03:23,176\n謝謝部長這邊在今天本席提醒發現了這樣一個問題所以我這邊一個建議是說其實在篩檢的部分專業人員是很重要的一件事情但是由於地方缺乏這樣子的資源所以專業人員在你們可能有的時候在幼兒園請老師還有學校的教職員也協助做這樣的處理可是因為專業度的問題變成在新生兒\n\n10\n00:03:26,819 --> 00:03:27,079\n﹚林倩綺\n\n11\n00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:51,879\n部長您的看法\n\n12\n00:04:23,404 --> 00:04:44,353\n我們怎麼樣有更多的一些專業人員能夠協助這些幼兒的一些發展我想謝謝委員好的那所以最後的提醒就是長期寫系統化的聽力篩檢最重要的是干預政策你我能夠先找先做些干預然後讓兒童的發展不會被漏掉那就可以減少這個問題\n\n13\n00:04:46,215 --> 00:04:47,216\n接下來也是這個偏鄉的問題\n\n14\n00:05:00,851 --> 00:05:25,184\n我想教育部你們最近這個語言的政策也是一直有在被討論但是我這邊關心的是這個主語跟特教教室那上個禮拜呢我們針對全國的這個教育設施有一些討論但是我這邊要談的是那我們在全國老舊校舍補強整建計劃當中可能在硬體的層面那教育部這邊是可以掌握的但是在軟體的部分\n\n15\n00:05:26,365 --> 00:05:46,296\n竟然你們推出了這個主語教學也有這樣主語教師但是呢他們很重要的一個問題就是教室的需求其實被忽略而且忽略很久了所以就本席在偏鄉看到的這個經驗是主語教師沒有教室常常借用校長室借用餐廳甚至\n\n16\n00:06:02,250 --> 00:06:22,926\n我想提供這個援助民族學生這個有更好的一個主語的學習環境這事實上是教育部一直在努力的部長我也提醒一下特教也是在特殊教育這一環也是常常在硬體還有這樣一個整備事實上是被忽略的所以我們剛才主語的部分還有特教的這個部分上課還在漏水或者校長是這個麻煩委員直接讓我們知道\n\n17\n00:06:28,650 --> 00:06:29,891\n我想我們會直接來聊解來改善。\n\n18\n00:06:44,645 --> 00:07:01,119\n來瞭解因為跟委員報告我事實上利用暑假也去看了一些嚴重民族的一個學校其實在這個部分也看到我們國教署相當用心在扶持比如說八蘭花這一個嚴重民族的一個實驗學校他就做得一個非常好\n\n19\n00:07:01,860 --> 00:07:30,192\n他整個的環境空間甚至還提供給國際課能夠來這邊住宿然後能夠傳播原住民族的許多文化再跟國際界來傳播謝謝部長有關心這個部分但是最重要的不是只有原住民族的實驗學校主語這個學校另外其實在都會裡面也會有偏鄉裡面當然更多不是只有原住民族的實驗學校\n\n20\n00:07:31,052 --> 00:07:31,132\n﹚主席\n\n21\n00:07:46,227 --> 00:08:02,064\n民主主義是很普遍的存在這樣的現象但是特殊教師也是所以這些相對比較弱勢的在教學場域當中的請部裡面多加注意在都會有可能出現這樣的狀況但是偏鄉是很普遍\n\n22\n00:08:03,886 --> 00:08:29,268\n所以請注意一下特殊學生跟主語的這個學生上課的一個需求接下來那個早上我們那個部長一直對我們奧運今年的這個獎項感到很自豪那很重要的一點是那我們如何持續這樣一個動能繼續往下走所以呢我想這一次這個羽球讓我們也感到非常的驕傲\n\n23\n00:08:30,009 --> 00:08:47,060\n但是很重要的各位你要知道在選手被培育的過程當中每一個階段都是重要的雖然我有跟部長做一個交流我告訴你一個觀念比如說那個足球隊還是很多選手現在都還在他很好的狀態我們不能只管小朋友這些選手還是要被照顧\n\n24\n00:08:50,762 --> 00:09:03,807\n李楊是在基隆起家的他能夠有今天這麼好的成績其實跟他過去很基礎的培育很重要所以在8月份本席也到他被培育的學校來了解\n\n25\n00:09:06,509 --> 00:09:24,603\n吉隆這個地方他們予求的一個設施狀況那當時教育部也有人來那整個計畫你們說已經成型那現在要提國發會可是依照本席所了解的最新的進度到現在好像還沒有到國發會到底送了沒啊\n\n26\n00:09:25,854 --> 00:09:46,905\n他現在跟委員報告因為他整個計畫在審查過程有做了一個國化會這一個中央部會有一些相關的建議但是我記得當時你們說在9月底已經修改現在重新再送到國化會所以應該會很快就會核定好那那個期程上是什麼因為你們說9月底要送嘛那如果你們又來來回回的有這樣一個過程已經送了已經在國化會了\n\n27\n00:09:48,886 --> 00:10:17,815\n所以現在在國發會因為上一次他是已經修正後然後再送回去所以我們教育部有去徵詢所以現在在國發會接下來的徵詢是什麼接著就核定以後就馬上就可以來對對對所以確定喔就是今年一定核定完然後明年就可以跟委員報告委員所關心的他確實是已經是等於說定案的一個只是讓他整個細節能夠更完善所以應該沒有問題嘛在今年一定定案是那明年我們就可以實施了對吧\n\n28\n00:10:18,695 --> 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對吧\n618695\t618715\t謝謝委員\n","txt":"主席各位立院同仁還有我們今天教育部相關的部會夥伴們大家早大家好我先有請部長有請鄭部長謝謝部長本席今天就一些議題來跟部長這邊做個討論委員好\n部長首先我要先針對學齡前聽力篩檢政策的議題來跟您先做個討論跟建議像是這樣子在2024年10月的時候有很多相關的報導在談到全台各縣市學齡前聽力篩檢時事上\n在實際的進行其實有一些很明顯的差異那最重要的一個問題就是很多聽損的兒童沒有辦法被及時的篩檢那因此呢導致他們在進入3歲到4歲幼兒園的時候才發現這個問題可是這個問題就已經嚴重的影響他們的語言學習社交能力還有學籍表現上\n目前很多家長已經關注而且在處理這個問題所以這個部分本席今天要跟您做提醒也期待教育部這邊會有一些做法這個問題最主要就是說中央有一些篩檢的機制但是從學齡前一直到學習的過程當中學校佔了很重要的一個角色\n這個問題最主要是在由各地方政府自行負責的時候呢導致在篩檢的覆蓋率資源的配置還有執行標準上產生很大的一個差距那也有一些研究報導的這個顯示3.86的幼兒\n其實存在聽力的異常問題麻煩回到那個percentage那一頁但是在一些資源比較短缺的地方偏鄉也好或者是資源沒有那麼豐碩教育資源沒有那麼豐碩的地方就產生出這樣子的語言障礙學習的困難\n所以尤其是在這個像高雄還有離島還有一些像離島的這個各縣市那所以這個部分是在如果能夠及時干預然後讓數據一致性也就是說中央如果能夠有一些做法其實是可以減少這樣的問題那不曉得部長的看法\n謝謝委員提醒我想這一個在內政部有一個早期療癒的這樣的一個委員會我們也是委員之一那我想我們一定會在這一個委員會裡面做事實的反映那我相信在衛福部的一些相關的醫療系統他也一定能夠掌握這樣一個順序我們來跨部會看怎麼來協助這些幼兒能夠早期被發現能夠讓他們有一個更好的一個發展的一個可能\n謝謝部長這邊在今天本席提醒發現了這樣一個問題所以我這邊一個建議是說其實在篩檢的部分專業人員是很重要的一件事情但是由於地方缺乏這樣子的資源所以專業人員在你們可能有的時候在幼兒園請老師還有學校的教職員也協助做這樣的處理可是因為專業度的問題變成在新生兒\n﹚林倩綺\n部長您的看法\n我們怎麼樣有更多的一些專業人員能夠協助這些幼兒的一些發展我想謝謝委員好的那所以最後的提醒就是長期寫系統化的聽力篩檢最重要的是干預政策你我能夠先找先做些干預然後讓兒童的發展不會被漏掉那就可以減少這個問題\n接下來也是這個偏鄉的問題\n我想教育部你們最近這個語言的政策也是一直有在被討論但是我這邊關心的是這個主語跟特教教室那上個禮拜呢我們針對全國的這個教育設施有一些討論但是我這邊要談的是那我們在全國老舊校舍補強整建計劃當中可能在硬體的層面那教育部這邊是可以掌握的但是在軟體的部分\n竟然你們推出了這個主語教學也有這樣主語教師但是呢他們很重要的一個問題就是教室的需求其實被忽略而且忽略很久了所以就本席在偏鄉看到的這個經驗是主語教師沒有教室常常借用校長室借用餐廳甚至\n﹗\n我想提供這個援助民族學生這個有更好的一個主語的學習環境這事實上是教育部一直在努力的部長我也提醒一下特教也是在特殊教育這一環也是常常在硬體還有這樣一個整備事實上是被忽略的所以我們剛才主語的部分還有特教的這個部分上課還在漏水或者校長是這個麻煩委員直接讓我們知道\n我想我們會直接來聊解來改善。\n來瞭解因為跟委員報告我事實上利用暑假也去看了一些嚴重民族的一個學校其實在這個部分也看到我們國教署相當用心在扶持比如說八蘭花這一個嚴重民族的一個實驗學校他就做得一個非常好\n他整個的環境空間甚至還提供給國際課能夠來這邊住宿然後能夠傳播原住民族的許多文化再跟國際界來傳播謝謝部長有關心這個部分但是最重要的不是只有原住民族的實驗學校主語這個學校另外其實在都會裡面也會有偏鄉裡面當然更多不是只有原住民族的實驗學校\n﹚主席\n民主主義是很普遍的存在這樣的現象但是特殊教師也是所以這些相對比較弱勢的在教學場域當中的請部裡面多加注意在都會有可能出現這樣的狀況但是偏鄉是很普遍\n所以請注意一下特殊學生跟主語的這個學生上課的一個需求接下來那個早上我們那個部長一直對我們奧運今年的這個獎項感到很自豪那很重要的一點是那我們如何持續這樣一個動能繼續往下走所以呢我想這一次這個羽球讓我們也感到非常的驕傲\n但是很重要的各位你要知道在選手被培育的過程當中每一個階段都是重要的雖然我有跟部長做一個交流我告訴你一個觀念比如說那個足球隊還是很多選手現在都還在他很好的狀態我們不能只管小朋友這些選手還是要被照顧\n李楊是在基隆起家的他能夠有今天這麼好的成績其實跟他過去很基礎的培育很重要所以在8月份本席也到他被培育的學校來了解\n吉隆這個地方他們予求的一個設施狀況那當時教育部也有人來那整個計畫你們說已經成型那現在要提國發會可是依照本席所了解的最新的進度到現在好像還沒有到國發會到底送了沒啊\n他現在跟委員報告因為他整個計畫在審查過程有做了一個國化會這一個中央部會有一些相關的建議但是我記得當時你們說在9月底已經修改現在重新再送到國化會所以應該會很快就會核定好那那個期程上是什麼因為你們說9月底要送嘛那如果你們又來來回回的有這樣一個過程已經送了已經在國化會了\n所以現在在國發會 因為上一次他是已經修正後然後再送回去所以我們教育部有去徵詢所以現在在國發會接下來的徵詢是什麼接著就核定以後就馬上就可以來 對對對所以確定喔就是今年一定核定完然後明年就可以跟委員報告委員所關心的他確實是已經是等於說定案的一個只是讓他整個細節能夠更完善所以應該沒有問題嘛在今年一定定案 是那明年我們就可以實施了 對吧\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.097 --> 00:16.926\n主席各位立院同仁還有我們今天教育部相關的部會夥伴們大家早大家好我先有請部長有請鄭部長謝謝部長本席今天就一些議題來跟部長這邊做個討論委員好\n\n00:31.758 --> 00:49.807\n部長首先我要先針對學齡前聽力篩檢政策的議題來跟您先做個討論跟建議像是這樣子在2024年10月的時候有很多相關的報導在談到全台各縣市學齡前聽力篩檢時事上\n\n00:53.129 --> 01:08.321\n在實際的進行其實有一些很明顯的差異那最重要的一個問題就是很多聽損的兒童沒有辦法被及時的篩檢那因此呢導致他們在進入3歲到4歲幼兒園的時候才發現這個問題可是這個問題就已經嚴重的影響他們的語言學習社交能力還有學籍表現上\n\n01:16.207 --> 01:33.365\n目前很多家長已經關注而且在處理這個問題所以這個部分本席今天要跟您做提醒也期待教育部這邊會有一些做法這個問題最主要就是說中央有一些篩檢的機制但是從學齡前一直到學習的過程當中學校佔了很重要的一個角色\n\n01:39.452 --> 01:51.970\n這個問題最主要是在由各地方政府自行負責的時候呢導致在篩檢的覆蓋率資源的配置還有執行標準上產生很大的一個差距那也有一些研究報導的這個顯示3.86的幼兒\n\n01:55.515 --> 02:11.506\n其實存在聽力的異常問題麻煩回到那個percentage那一頁但是在一些資源比較短缺的地方偏鄉也好或者是資源沒有那麼豐碩教育資源沒有那麼豐碩的地方就產生出這樣子的語言障礙學習的困難\n\n02:12.387 --> 02:27.632\n所以尤其是在這個像高雄還有離島還有一些像離島的這個各縣市那所以這個部分是在如果能夠及時干預然後讓數據一致性也就是說中央如果能夠有一些做法其實是可以減少這樣的問題那不曉得部長的看法\n\n02:31.151 --> 02:58.257\n謝謝委員提醒我想這一個在內政部有一個早期療癒的這樣的一個委員會我們也是委員之一那我想我們一定會在這一個委員會裡面做事實的反映那我相信在衛福部的一些相關的醫療系統他也一定能夠掌握這樣一個順序我們來跨部會看怎麼來協助這些幼兒能夠早期被發現能夠讓他們有一個更好的一個發展的一個可能\n\n03:00.164 --> 03:23.176\n謝謝部長這邊在今天本席提醒發現了這樣一個問題所以我這邊一個建議是說其實在篩檢的部分專業人員是很重要的一件事情但是由於地方缺乏這樣子的資源所以專業人員在你們可能有的時候在幼兒園請老師還有學校的教職員也協助做這樣的處理可是因為專業度的問題變成在新生兒\n\n03:26.819 --> 03:27.079\n﹚林倩綺\n\n03:51.639 --> 03:51.879\n部長您的看法\n\n04:23.404 --> 04:44.353\n我們怎麼樣有更多的一些專業人員能夠協助這些幼兒的一些發展我想謝謝委員好的那所以最後的提醒就是長期寫系統化的聽力篩檢最重要的是干預政策你我能夠先找先做些干預然後讓兒童的發展不會被漏掉那就可以減少這個問題\n\n04:46.215 --> 04:47.216\n接下來也是這個偏鄉的問題\n\n05:00.851 --> 05:25.184\n我想教育部你們最近這個語言的政策也是一直有在被討論但是我這邊關心的是這個主語跟特教教室那上個禮拜呢我們針對全國的這個教育設施有一些討論但是我這邊要談的是那我們在全國老舊校舍補強整建計劃當中可能在硬體的層面那教育部這邊是可以掌握的但是在軟體的部分\n\n05:26.365 --> 05:46.296\n竟然你們推出了這個主語教學也有這樣主語教師但是呢他們很重要的一個問題就是教室的需求其實被忽略而且忽略很久了所以就本席在偏鄉看到的這個經驗是主語教師沒有教室常常借用校長室借用餐廳甚至\n\n06:02.250 --> 06:22.926\n我想提供這個援助民族學生這個有更好的一個主語的學習環境這事實上是教育部一直在努力的部長我也提醒一下特教也是在特殊教育這一環也是常常在硬體還有這樣一個整備事實上是被忽略的所以我們剛才主語的部分還有特教的這個部分上課還在漏水或者校長是這個麻煩委員直接讓我們知道\n\n06:28.650 --> 06:29.891\n我想我們會直接來聊解來改善。\n\n06:44.645 --> 07:01.119\n來瞭解因為跟委員報告我事實上利用暑假也去看了一些嚴重民族的一個學校其實在這個部分也看到我們國教署相當用心在扶持比如說八蘭花這一個嚴重民族的一個實驗學校他就做得一個非常好\n\n07:01.860 --> 07:30.192\n他整個的環境空間甚至還提供給國際課能夠來這邊住宿然後能夠傳播原住民族的許多文化再跟國際界來傳播謝謝部長有關心這個部分但是最重要的不是只有原住民族的實驗學校主語這個學校另外其實在都會裡面也會有偏鄉裡面當然更多不是只有原住民族的實驗學校\n\n07:31.052 --> 07:31.132\n﹚主席\n\n07:46.227 --> 08:02.064\n民主主義是很普遍的存在這樣的現象但是特殊教師也是所以這些相對比較弱勢的在教學場域當中的請部裡面多加注意在都會有可能出現這樣的狀況但是偏鄉是很普遍\n\n08:03.886 --> 08:29.268\n所以請注意一下特殊學生跟主語的這個學生上課的一個需求接下來那個早上我們那個部長一直對我們奧運今年的這個獎項感到很自豪那很重要的一點是那我們如何持續這樣一個動能繼續往下走所以呢我想這一次這個羽球讓我們也感到非常的驕傲\n\n08:30.009 --> 08:47.060\n但是很重要的各位你要知道在選手被培育的過程當中每一個階段都是重要的雖然我有跟部長做一個交流我告訴你一個觀念比如說那個足球隊還是很多選手現在都還在他很好的狀態我們不能只管小朋友這些選手還是要被照顧\n\n08:50.762 --> 09:03.807\n李楊是在基隆起家的他能夠有今天這麼好的成績其實跟他過去很基礎的培育很重要所以在8月份本席也到他被培育的學校來了解\n\n09:06.509 --> 09:24.603\n吉隆這個地方他們予求的一個設施狀況那當時教育部也有人來那整個計畫你們說已經成型那現在要提國發會可是依照本席所了解的最新的進度到現在好像還沒有到國發會到底送了沒啊\n\n09:25.854 --> 09:46.905\n他現在跟委員報告因為他整個計畫在審查過程有做了一個國化會這一個中央部會有一些相關的建議但是我記得當時你們說在9月底已經修改現在重新再送到國化會所以應該會很快就會核定好那那個期程上是什麼因為你們說9月底要送嘛那如果你們又來來回回的有這樣一個過程已經送了已經在國化會了\n\n09:48.886 --> 10:17.815\n所以現在在國發會因為上一次他是已經修正後然後再送回去所以我們教育部有去徵詢所以現在在國發會接下來的徵詢是什麼接著就核定以後就馬上就可以來對對對所以確定喔就是今年一定核定完然後明年就可以跟委員報告委員所關心的他確實是已經是等於說定案的一個只是讓他整個細節能夠更完善所以應該沒有問題嘛在今年一定定案是那明年我們就可以實施了對吧\n\n10:18.695 --> 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