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00:01:28,877\n關於體育零容忍的部分雖然我們要即將成立運動部但是有一些非常重要的議題我還是快速跟部長溝通部長關於監察院有對某一個教練提出糾正但是這樣的教練竟然還在學校裡頭我之前已經跟體育署說過了\n\n6\n00:01:50,996 --> 00:02:13,070\n再來很多很多的案子還包含五人制足球協會的會議當中我們發函請體育署說明但是體育署給我們的回應說這個會議太多沒有辦法逐一說明可是有兒虐的教練在賽事場上開會還有人當志工更不要說8月9月每一個禮拜幾乎每一個禮拜都會有跟體育或者是運動相關的兒虐案件不斷在發生那林榮忍這件我們行政上我們輸了\n\n7\n00:02:17,773 --> 00:02:21,275\n我相信你的態度是積極的,我也相信你願意內部檢討,我完全相信。但是部長我們這樣看起來,如果有很多事情我們沒有辦法及時完成。其實文化部在去年的蜜兔事件之後有開始做一些追回獎項、撤銷補助的事情。\n\n8\n00:02:38,627 --> 00:02:39,127\n下一位教育部長\n\n9\n00:03:06,482 --> 00:03:07,102\n可以嗎?部長可以好謝謝部長再來\n\n10\n00:03:35,530 --> 00:03:49,034\n好這個事情真的有點可怕之前有范雲委員提醒體育署要簽相關的契約我們覺得很好保障雙方選手跟協會的權利跟義務但是我們得到的內容卻是9月30號以前叫選手要開這個選區委員會還要找三個選手一起討論10月30號通過理事會公告\n\n11\n00:03:53,735 --> 00:04:15,163\n可是呢選手卻被告知10月30號要簽一份很可怕的合約我只舉其中一個例子你們告訴選手說不得於公開場合或社群媒體網站的方法以不當的行為或言論導致於有辱代表隊破壞代表隊和諧及損及國家榮譽如果我今天不是在台灣的立法院看到這個公文我真的會以為我在什麼極權國家\n\n12\n00:04:16,343 --> 00:04:23,895\n什麼叫做有入國家榮譽我們是要怎麼樣管制選手的言論但是這個契約竟然是體育署公辦給所有的單項運動協會要他們去叫選手簽\n\n13\n00:04:27,635 --> 00:04:41,205\n謝謝委員提醒事實上現在目前這個是沒有的沒有部長不是這樣我聽到是你們已經協會叫選手要簽所以我才想體育署沒有立刻讓部長我們會積極跟你們追蹤所以請部長公開宣誓告訴選手你不用急著簽讓教育部去跟體育署搞清楚狀況可以嗎部長可以所以部長你認同對不對是我們不應該做出這個侵害人權事宜這個太荒謬了\n\n14\n00:04:55,745 --> 00:05:00,606\n大漢這個問題我知道教育部已經核准他們退場我只是想問部長還沒有畢業這些學生他們在怎麼辦我們查了相關的數字原住民的學生然後或者是相關特教學生佔的比例將近50%而這些學生只是叫他轉學部長你去過花蓮嗎花蓮最後他要轉只剩下東華大學可以轉東華大學要收嗎還是大漢學院打算拿一萬一個人一萬五千塊把他們送去別的地方他們要怎麼被送去別的地方\n\n15\n00:05:21,732 --> 00:05:23,313\n學校如果能夠先安置先安置\n\n16\n00:05:51,714 --> 00:06:16,122\n但是教育部他沒有辦法的全部教育部安置我們教育部要這樣幫忙嗎?是用這個角度這樣幫忙嗎?那學校不用負起責任嗎?因為教委之前為了這群孩子召開記者會但是如果部長你說學校沒有辦法處理我們教育部接手那我們就往這個方向追喔協助確保這些學生可以留在當地就學的權益\n\n17\n00:06:17,455 --> 00:06:19,916\n藝術音樂科系招生缺額連年增加有多麼可怕部長到了113年我們的缺額已經到了50%那已經有相關音樂藝術舞蹈的科系老師在提出這個警鐘\n\n18\n00:06:42,202 --> 00:07:00,636\n我當然知道孩子們的就學有他們的考量但是我們這些音樂藝術舞蹈科系的老師他們在問我們有沒有別的機會教育部來積極的協助那我自己這邊快速的想不管是我們從國中小或是大專業校相關領域的學習或者是如同我們在開設AI學程我們跨校\n\n19\n00:07:01,737 --> 00:07:22,265\n這些藝術科系可不可以得到教育部的支持協助他們或者是設計相關的學程例如說我們很多音樂家好朋友他們在國外念書的時候他們會被要求要去上管理的課經營的課人文的課豐富他的專業領域等到他進入產業當中他不見得一定是一個在台上表演那個人他可以是在整個產業界工作的人部長你自己怎麼看這個事情\n\n20\n00:07:24,949 --> 00:07:39,403\n我想因為首先跟委員報告因為我們現在藝術類科基本上都是各大專業校他們單招我知道我知道我知道但是我們教育部可以有一些角色吧如果有學校提出他們有例如說跨學程整合的需求跨校結合的需求\n\n21\n00:07:40,083 --> 00:07:40,203\n陳培瑜\n\n22\n00:07:56,107 --> 00:08:17,142\n已經是非常多爸爸媽媽延伸到學校老師的痛了我之前也跟部長分享過小一的老師必須要幫孩子開3C戒毒班他才有辦法教小一的小孩開始學注音符號這件事情已經在很多地方發生了3C的困境我想部長都知道但是因為那種質詢的時間有限我可不可以問其實就教育部的角度我知道你們有做嬰幼兒閱讀禮帶你們還有做新生閱讀禮帶你們在計畫裡面還有閱讀推動教師\n\n23\n00:08:22,205 --> 00:08:22,245\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n24\n00:08:40,017 --> 00:08:40,057\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n25\n00:09:00,890 --> 00:09:28,143\n我完全認同委員所對這一個小孩子的教育跟在閱讀他的一個價值的一些例子。是,那我剛剛幫教育部這邊列出來,所以我不會說教育部都沒有做事,但是我們可不可以更廣泛更深入的去看閱讀這件事情到底可以怎麼從兩歲開始,為什麼說兩歲,因為教育部你們主管的幼兒園是從兩歲開始嗎?是。那我們可不可以從幼兒園開始,甚至我們現在幼兒園是沒有採購沒有購出預算的耶。\n\n26\n00:09:29,925 --> 00:09:30,872\n部長你知道這個事情嗎?是\n\n27\n00:09:33,804 --> 00:10:02,081\n在設備設施採購裡邊他還是有各校裡邊有彈性可以來用而演但是這個部長你講到彈性了但是在去年部長跟你報告去年國教法修法之前我們台灣的中小學是沒有固定的購書預算去年國教法我率先提出必須要有固定的預算或者是每年因編列預算我們台灣才正式有用整體政府完整的預算在支持閱讀這件事情如果我們要走入AI還不認真回過頭來面對閱讀我不知道我們的AI走到哪裡去跟委員報告\n\n28\n00:10:02,901 --> 00:10:02,941\n陳培瑜\n\n29\n00:10:25,826 --> 00:10:26,006\n謝謝部長。部長我們看最後這一張。\n\n30\n00:10:43,916 --> 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這個事情真的有點可怕之前有范雲委員提醒體育署要簽相關的契約我們覺得很好保障雙方選手跟協會的權利跟義務但是我們得到的內容卻是9月30號以前叫選手要開這個選區委員會還要找三個選手一起討論10月30號通過理事會公告\n可是呢選手卻被告知10月30號要簽一份很可怕的合約我只舉其中一個例子你們告訴選手說不得於公開場合或社群媒體網站的方法以不當的行為或言論導致於有辱代表隊破壞代表隊和諧及損及國家榮譽如果我今天不是在台灣的立法院看到這個公文我真的會以為我在什麼極權國家\n什麼叫做有入國家榮譽我們是要怎麼樣管制選手的言論但是這個契約竟然是體育署公辦給所有的單項運動協會要他們去叫選手簽\n謝謝委員提醒事實上現在目前這個是沒有的沒有部長不是這樣我聽到是你們已經協會叫選手要簽所以我才想體育署沒有立刻讓部長我們會積極跟你們追蹤所以請部長公開宣誓告訴選手你不用急著簽讓教育部去跟體育署搞清楚狀況可以嗎部長可以所以部長你認同對不對是我們不應該做出這個侵害人權事宜這個太荒謬了\n大漢這個問題我知道教育部已經核准他們退場我只是想問部長還沒有畢業這些學生他們在怎麼辦我們查了相關的數字原住民的學生然後或者是相關特教學生佔的比例將近50%而這些學生只是叫他轉學部長你去過花蓮嗎花蓮最後他要轉只剩下東華大學可以轉東華大學要收嗎還是大漢學院打算拿一萬一個人一萬五千塊把他們送去別的地方他們要怎麼被送去別的地方\n學校如果能夠先安置先安置\n但是教育部他沒有辦法的全部教育部安置我們教育部要這樣幫忙嗎?是用這個角度這樣幫忙嗎?那學校不用負起責任嗎?因為教委之前為了這群孩子召開記者會但是如果部長你說學校沒有辦法處理我們教育部接手那我們就往這個方向追喔協助確保這些學生可以留在當地就學的權益\n藝術音樂科系招生缺額連年增加有多麼可怕部長到了113年我們的缺額已經到了50%那已經有相關音樂藝術舞蹈的科系老師在提出這個警鐘\n我當然知道孩子們的就學有他們的考量但是我們這些音樂藝術舞蹈科系的老師他們在問我們有沒有別的機會教育部來積極的協助那我自己這邊快速的想不管是我們從國中小或是大專業校相關領域的學習或者是如同我們在開設AI學程我們跨校\n這些藝術科系可不可以得到教育部的支持協助他們或者是設計相關的學程例如說我們很多音樂家好朋友他們在國外念書的時候他們會被要求要去上管理的課經營的課人文的課豐富他的專業領域等到他進入產業當中他不見得一定是一個在台上表演那個人他可以是在整個產業界工作的人部長你自己怎麼看這個事情\n我想因為首先跟委員報告因為我們現在藝術類科基本上都是各大專業校他們單招我知道我知道我知道但是我們教育部可以有一些角色吧如果有學校提出他們有例如說跨學程整合的需求跨校結合的需求\n陳培瑜\n已經是非常多爸爸媽媽延伸到學校老師的痛了我之前也跟部長分享過小一的老師必須要幫孩子開3C戒毒班他才有辦法教小一的小孩開始學注音符號這件事情已經在很多地方發生了3C的困境我想部長都知道但是因為那種質詢的時間有限我可不可以問其實就教育部的角度我知道你們有做嬰幼兒閱讀禮帶你們還有做新生閱讀禮帶你們在計畫裡面還有閱讀推動教師\n﹚陳培瑜\n﹚陳培瑜\n我完全認同委員所對這一個小孩子的教育跟在閱讀他的一個價值的一些例子。是,那我剛剛幫教育部這邊列出來,所以我不會說教育部都沒有做事,但是我們可不可以更廣泛更深入的去看閱讀這件事情到底可以怎麼從兩歲開始,為什麼說兩歲,因為教育部你們主管的幼兒園是從兩歲開始嗎?是。那我們可不可以從幼兒園開始,甚至我們現在幼兒園是沒有採購沒有購出預算的耶。\n部長你知道這個事情嗎?是\n在設備設施採購裡邊他還是有各校裡邊有彈性可以來用而演但是這個部長你講到彈性了但是在去年部長跟你報告去年國教法修法之前我們台灣的中小學是沒有固定的購書預算去年國教法我率先提出必須要有固定的預算或者是每年因編列預算我們台灣才正式有用整體政府完整的預算在支持閱讀這件事情如果我們要走入AI還不認真回過頭來面對閱讀我不知道我們的AI走到哪裡去跟委員報告\n陳培瑜\n謝謝部長。部長我們看最後這一張。\n陳培瑜\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.369 --> 00:00.610\n請陳培瑜委員質詢。\n\n00:17.165 --> 00:45.717\n部長我們今天快問快答可以嗎好我時間壓力很大第一個部長有一個出版社他在他的講義裡面提到有民眾黨點點點點點然後造福什麼鄉親然後但是呢暗酸另外的政黨好所有洗腦的工作你有看到這個新聞嗎在給學生寫的講義裡面我知道國教院負責審查課本好但是為什麼講義出現這個東西我們不是要教育場域要政治中立嗎為什麼會出現這個東西看起來部長沒有掌握情況\n\n00:46.704 --> 01:00.831\n國教院知道這件事情。國教院很清楚。是。謝謝委員。基本上這個事情。快問快答,謝謝。那因為教科書的審定呢是在國教院的範圍。對,我知道,講義。包括課本跟席座。是。但是複習講義。是。那我們要這樣回答家長嗎?\n\n01:04.873 --> 01:23.180\n有,我們還是把這樣的一個信息給出版社,請他們做專業上的判準。我們可以有什麼更積極的作為嗎?他們的判準,如果他告訴你他專業上的判準,他決定這樣做是對的,你也接受嗎?我們要這樣回應家長,我們要這樣回應學生。而且他是在公民課本裡面耶。\n\n01:23.973 --> 01:28.877\n關於體育零容忍的部分雖然我們要即將成立運動部但是有一些非常重要的議題我還是快速跟部長溝通部長關於監察院有對某一個教練提出糾正但是這樣的教練竟然還在學校裡頭我之前已經跟體育署說過了\n\n01:50.996 --> 02:13.070\n再來很多很多的案子還包含五人制足球協會的會議當中我們發函請體育署說明但是體育署給我們的回應說這個會議太多沒有辦法逐一說明可是有兒虐的教練在賽事場上開會還有人當志工更不要說8月9月每一個禮拜幾乎每一個禮拜都會有跟體育或者是運動相關的兒虐案件不斷在發生那林榮忍這件我們行政上我們輸了\n\n02:17.773 --> 02:21.275\n我相信你的態度是積極的,我也相信你願意內部檢討,我完全相信。但是部長我們這樣看起來,如果有很多事情我們沒有辦法及時完成。其實文化部在去年的蜜兔事件之後有開始做一些追回獎項、撤銷補助的事情。\n\n02:38.627 --> 02:39.127\n下一位教育部長\n\n03:06.482 --> 03:07.102\n可以嗎?部長可以好謝謝部長再來\n\n03:35.530 --> 03:49.034\n好這個事情真的有點可怕之前有范雲委員提醒體育署要簽相關的契約我們覺得很好保障雙方選手跟協會的權利跟義務但是我們得到的內容卻是9月30號以前叫選手要開這個選區委員會還要找三個選手一起討論10月30號通過理事會公告\n\n03:53.735 --> 04:15.163\n可是呢選手卻被告知10月30號要簽一份很可怕的合約我只舉其中一個例子你們告訴選手說不得於公開場合或社群媒體網站的方法以不當的行為或言論導致於有辱代表隊破壞代表隊和諧及損及國家榮譽如果我今天不是在台灣的立法院看到這個公文我真的會以為我在什麼極權國家\n\n04:16.343 --> 04:23.895\n什麼叫做有入國家榮譽我們是要怎麼樣管制選手的言論但是這個契約竟然是體育署公辦給所有的單項運動協會要他們去叫選手簽\n\n04:27.635 --> 04:41.205\n謝謝委員提醒事實上現在目前這個是沒有的沒有部長不是這樣我聽到是你們已經協會叫選手要簽所以我才想體育署沒有立刻讓部長我們會積極跟你們追蹤所以請部長公開宣誓告訴選手你不用急著簽讓教育部去跟體育署搞清楚狀況可以嗎部長可以所以部長你認同對不對是我們不應該做出這個侵害人權事宜這個太荒謬了\n\n04:55.745 --> 05:00.606\n大漢這個問題我知道教育部已經核准他們退場我只是想問部長還沒有畢業這些學生他們在怎麼辦我們查了相關的數字原住民的學生然後或者是相關特教學生佔的比例將近50%而這些學生只是叫他轉學部長你去過花蓮嗎花蓮最後他要轉只剩下東華大學可以轉東華大學要收嗎還是大漢學院打算拿一萬一個人一萬五千塊把他們送去別的地方他們要怎麼被送去別的地方\n\n05:21.732 --> 05:23.313\n學校如果能夠先安置先安置\n\n05:51.714 --> 06:16.122\n但是教育部他沒有辦法的全部教育部安置我們教育部要這樣幫忙嗎?是用這個角度這樣幫忙嗎?那學校不用負起責任嗎?因為教委之前為了這群孩子召開記者會但是如果部長你說學校沒有辦法處理我們教育部接手那我們就往這個方向追喔協助確保這些學生可以留在當地就學的權益\n\n06:17.455 --> 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