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00:02:53,293\n光是講相關的法規跟辨識就要9小時那最後花在教學實作跟課程上只有6小時以我們的教書經驗6小時的時間非常的短\n\n9\n00:03:04,065 --> 00:03:04,085\n范雲\n\n10\n00:03:32,452 --> 00:03:53,571\n跟委員報告這當然在之前我們事實上現在在教師的資格考試也把性評的這一個領域的一個支持作為納入這個考試的命題那另外呢我們在實習階段也有許多這個要求各施設培育單位也辦研習活動也就是說他不是只是一個在之前你編的18小時\n\n11\n00:03:55,333 --> 00:04:08,977\n我知道有一些部分的施培機構他們也把性別教育當作一個專門的一個選修或者必修的一個科目那當然這裡邊大學要開還要靠我知道教育部有一些做法因為時間有限但是你們有沒有一個評估跟檢討的成效我們剛剛看到民間的教師組織性別教育協會他調查到的幾乎四成的人說沒有完全沒有上過相關的課程\n\n12\n00:04:21,621 --> 00:04:23,083\n這是第一個我想你們這樣做很好新增加這個18小時專題課程可是要有一個評估檢討機制好嗎\n\n13\n00:04:39,044 --> 00:04:55,073\n二、教學內容我的辦公室把所有我們看到的教學內容來做檢視發現好像就是10年才會增加一筆而且面向相當的局限沒有與時俱進\n\n14\n00:04:56,634 --> 00:05:22,908\n所以如果老師要透過你的這個相關的教育部的網站教學資源的話那其實真的是內容太少了我們看到的是10年才增加一筆那如果我們回來看教科書你會發現就是依照聯合國教科文提出的全面性教育八大核心概念來比照108課綱之後會發現課綱在很多的部分是空缺的\n\n15\n00:05:23,328 --> 00:05:23,748\n學生團體反映．\n\n16\n00:05:42,386 --> 00:06:07,829\n也非常的缺乏情緒及情感教育還有多元性別教育我們剛講賴總統的2.0中有一個就是在強調情感教育跟能不能以男性的經驗為出發讓他們能夠有一些對話的機會那所以我覺得教材缺乏是個很大的問題那部長有聽過那個臺大學生的言論自由月的事件嗎\n\n17\n00:06:10,022 --> 00:06:27,467\n沒有沒關係部長事後可以去了解如果連這些大學生都明明白白的性別歧視的話我想我們現在既有的性別的平等的相關的資源其實是還不足的\n\n18\n00:06:27,847 --> 00:06:27,867\n：范雲\n\n19\n00:06:46,415 --> 00:06:47,096\n這是就教材內容的全面性\n\n20\n00:07:07,410 --> 00:07:24,147\n確實我想在性別教育這個領域怎麼讓他有更豐富的這些教材或者網路的一些教學資源我想這都是我們可以來努力也可以結合民間團體裡面共同來開發\n\n21\n00:07:26,109 --> 00:07:44,688\n好那另外也跟委員報告剛才所以台大的學院這一個我們確實看到因為山西的所謂的一世代他確實因為在那一個網路裡邊他一定程度的就變成他其實不一定不必然有性別歧視是只是他習慣了在那一個\n\n22\n00:07:45,248 --> 00:08:00,492\n那一個倡議就把自己關起來了所以他當然這也是我們一直在正式希望怎麼樣在減少3C對許多情感教育人際互動包括許多的一個更健康的一個發展我們事實上也在注意到這個問題那今天就是針對性的平台至少部長是肯定目前的內容是非常的不足需要就是教育部要能夠拿出資源來鼓勵然後來做這個相關的教材\n\n23\n00:08:13,436 --> 00:08:15,598\n施培施培有點緩不及急至少現場老師性別評論教育協會的報告有40%完全沒有相關的訓練\n\n24\n00:08:29,669 --> 00:08:56,694\n國小來看全台就有10萬名的老師所以我想現在做除了失陪的內容繼續強化深化之外是不是同步能夠有另一個解方因為等到失陪完成所有的老師百分之百都有相關訓練的話我不知道是不是要再一個10年所以是不是能夠有另外一個補助的方案找到真的懂性平教育的老師到校園協助譬如說成立性平教育種子教師團\n\n25\n00:08:57,594 --> 00:09:00,136\n我想這樣的一個想法基本上中央跟地方這一個國家等於說組成性別平等教育的這一個輔導團我想這我們可以跟地方合作馬上來做\n\n26\n00:09:21,336 --> 00:09:42,396\n謝謝部長立馬說可以跟地方合作馬上來合作所以我今天這個要落實賴清德總統的政見因應數位時代性別平等教育2.0的三個實質的操作的內容那部長是不是可以在三個月內提檢討報告然後讓我知道你們打算怎麼做好不好\n\n27\n00:09:43,980 --> 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