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00:03:01,323\n對還要一段時間沒那麼快但是也不需要那麼久是啊沒錯我希望說這個時間上部長可以要求一下好我們會加速那另外就是說剛剛也提到就是說這個其實在法規面是沒錯啦是那你可以看美國跟日本跟德國他們在這一部分的法規面都已經訂出了不少了是\n\n9\n00:03:02,113 --> 00:03:20,099\n那我們的呢?我們目前自駕公車實驗的運行的安全的指引我們在今年底會完成這個部分是我們正在努力的部長我先讓你簡單的比較啦你看美國包括自駕車的法案然後日本就是他們都有道路運輸車輛法\n\n10\n00:03:21,980 --> 00:03:22,100\n實驗條例實驗條例\n\n11\n00:03:37,506 --> 00:03:55,949\n委託那個研究計畫目前在訂定自駕車安全指引所以我要讓部長看到的是在這個法規面還離很遠我們還是落後這個要加強我說的就是特斯拉已經無人計程車上路了那臺灣或者是世界的流行\n\n12\n00:03:56,710 --> 00:03:57,791\n臺灣跟日本美國德國比較之下\n\n13\n00:04:12,918 --> 00:04:15,859\n希望這幾個部門能夠加速來完成以免說到時候真的上路的話法不行沒有跟上\n\n14\n00:04:32,657 --> 00:04:55,659\n那再來就是觀光觀光人口我知道部長那個來台旅客的目標不是當時不是你訂的啦是是是那一開始是訂我們今年要1200萬那下修為1000萬到9月底觀光人次目前的統計大概有550萬\n\n15\n00:04:58,667 --> 00:05:24,736\n顯然這個目標達不到到現在今天早上我問的數據是差不多到580幾萬嘛到現在啦580幾萬當然對我們來說到年底要達成1000萬的目標是很辛苦不過坦白講前線的同仁們還在努力我作為部長我不太好直接說不能說達不到不能說達不到但確實是很辛苦對啦其實\n\n16\n00:05:26,056 --> 00:05:26,597\n我這樣跟我們部內的同仁講\n\n17\n00:05:42,312 --> 00:05:44,113\n我本來是想問你說你現在打算講說明年要幾百萬還是一千萬\n\n18\n00:06:08,302 --> 00:06:10,027\n當我們無法達標的時候下一個目標就是以沒達標的那個作為目標\n\n19\n00:06:16,485 --> 00:06:43,261\n那你不能一直下修啊不會下修就一樣是1000萬那今年大概可以達到750萬我們在努力當中我們提出一些具體的建議就是說你可以看到我們之前公共署其實也蠻認真的有做了很多的配套的希望能夠增加跟回流的方案比如說高鐵合作的方案比如說代言人的方案那還有跟航空公司促銷的方案還有抽獎\n\n20\n00:06:44,722 --> 00:07:12,757\n其實這些觀光署很認真在做我也知道那我們有做的就是先感謝跟鼓勵啦但是沒有辦法做到的是或者是有機會我們在那裡沒有想到的我們可以再加強的我們也應該也給觀光署跟交通部一些建議比如說你看那個我們的免簽國家現在泰國跟菲律賓是免簽是事辦免簽那\n\n21\n00:07:14,625 --> 00:07:31,053\n通常我們如果說兩邊要對等事實上也都是我們先發動我們先發動之後他們也會跟著跟進嘛就一段時間之後所以泰國跟菲律賓是這樣來的那我們現在就是說包括現在整個\n\n22\n00:07:32,213 --> 00:08:00,966\n中國的企業都往東南亞去發展有很多那這個部分東南亞將來其實他們從未開發國家到開發中國家這個進步的階段事實上應該他們會經濟會成長不少所以吸引這邊的觀光客我是覺得非常的重要所以呢對於印度印尼越南緬甸柬埔寨寮國等等有沒有可能我們可以事辦免簽有條件免簽\n\n23\n00:08:03,067 --> 00:08:30,501\n這個部分其實對臺灣的旅遊業絕對有幫助對我們的觀光絕對有幫助所以我們積極來跟外交部來協調這件事決定權會是在外交部但是我們積極來跟他們協調當然免簽有免簽的優點跟缺點但是你也不能因業廢死所以要做一個最完整的調配所以我是建議就是說免簽國家可以再試辦那包括行銷航線那甚至以前有觀光組提年我不知道部長知不知道\n\n24\n00:08:34,862 --> 00:08:47,567\n以前曾經每一年度有個觀光主題年後來取消掉了我是認為你有時候大鍋菜人家來要吃什麼菜沒有一個重點有時候多元就是沒有主軸啦\n\n25\n00:08:48,347 --> 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觀光人口我知道部長那個來台旅客的目標不是當時不是你訂的啦是是是那一開始是訂我們今年要1200萬那下修為1000萬到9月底觀光人次目前的統計大概有550萬\n298667\t324736\t顯然這個目標達不到到現在今天早上我問的數據是差不多到580幾萬嘛到現在啦580幾萬當然對我們來說到年底要達成1000萬的目標是很辛苦不過坦白講前線的同仁們還在努力我作為部長我不太好直接說不能說達不到不能說達不到但確實是很辛苦對啦其實\n326056\t326597\t我這樣跟我們部內的同仁講\n342312\t344113\t我本來是想問你說你現在打算講說明年要幾百萬還是一千萬\n368302\t370027\t當我們無法達標的時候下一個目標就是以沒達標的那個作為目標\n376485\t403261\t那你不能一直下修啊不會下修就一樣是1000萬那今年大概可以達到750萬我們在努力當中我們提出一些具體的建議就是說你可以看到我們之前公共署其實也蠻認真的有做了很多的配套的希望能夠增加跟回流的方案比如說高鐵合作的方案比如說代言人的方案那還有跟航空公司促銷的方案還有抽獎\n404722\t432757\t其實這些觀光署很認真在做我也知道那我們有做的就是先感謝跟鼓勵啦但是沒有辦法做到的是或者是有機會我們在那裡沒有想到的我們可以再加強的我們也應該也給觀光署跟交通部一些建議比如說你看那個我們的免簽國家現在泰國跟菲律賓是免簽是事辦免簽那\n434625\t451053\t通常我們如果說兩邊要對等事實上也都是我們先發動我們先發動之後他們也會跟著跟進嘛就一段時間之後所以泰國跟菲律賓是這樣來的那我們現在就是說包括現在整個\n452213\t480966\t中國的企業都往東南亞去發展有很多那這個部分東南亞將來其實他們從未開發國家到開發中國家這個進步的階段事實上應該他們會經濟會成長不少所以吸引這邊的觀光客我是覺得非常的重要所以呢對於印度印尼越南緬甸柬埔寨寮國等等有沒有可能我們可以事辦免簽有條件免簽\n483067\t510501\t這個部分其實對臺灣的旅遊業絕對有幫助對我們的觀光絕對有幫助所以我們積極來跟外交部來協調這件事決定權會是在外交部但是我們積極來跟他們協調當然免簽有免簽的優點跟缺點但是你也不能因業廢死所以要做一個最完整的調配所以我是建議就是說免簽國家可以再試辦那包括行銷航線那甚至以前有觀光組提年我不知道部長知不知道\n514862\t527567\t以前曾經每一年度有個觀光主題年後來取消掉了我是認為你有時候大鍋菜人家來要吃什麼菜沒有一個重點有時候多元就是沒有主軸啦\n528347\t553904\t設定主題委員有主軸有多元這樣子會比較容易focus我們過去曾經辦過自行車方面的年我們其實今年也有我們在日月潭應該是12月的時候要辦環法環法的自行車賽的挑戰賽在日月潭我們也會辦這樣的活動沒關係我的意思不只是自行車我知道要辦一個主題年你每一年以前是每一年有一個觀光主題年\n554704\t554784\t主席\n573187\t602152\t所以我是建議這個觀光組提名還可以再恢復那另外就是賣食產業我想展覽會經濟我今天就不談太多了改天再談那也就是說這些東西是不是請交通部可以思考觀光組可以思考就是說除了我們之前的提升方案之外我給這些具體的建議希望說也能夠去思考那也能夠最終達到我們一千萬的目標甚至一千二的目標我們還可以再繼續努力\n602452\t604357\t委員您今天所建議的每一項都很好我會納入來執行好謝謝\n","txt":"首先謝謝樹葉、趙偉跟新存的協助主席我們現在請部長請陳部長部長好委員早現在那個特斯拉以及那個無人計程車已經上路了不知道部長知不知道\n有聽說這個事情那台灣在那個我們沙倫那邊有自駕車系統的基地那另外以前我們高雄市呢也有事辦這個無人公車的搭乘那目前就是說\n在世界我就看到已經有無人計程車已經開始上路那這個議題其實我也要求了很多次了就是說到底我們現在交通部在這一部分的進度那有沒有掌握\n報告委員,這個自駕車的部分,它主要推廣或者說未來的商業發展的部分,它主要主管的是經濟部但是對於交通部來說,對於這個法規面的管理是交通部應該要做的,那這個部分我們也正在努力\n不過對於自駕的系統雖然他的主責是在經濟部不過對我們來說公共運輸的部分的自駕是我們比較關注的所以過去呢從一百零八年民國一百零八年到現在我們總共投入了一億四千萬補助了六個地方政府包含剛剛委員所說的齁臺南齁彰化臺中新竹桃園以及新北齁我們有補助他們做這個自駕車的這個沙盒的這個驗證的服務啦齁這個部分是交通部所做的齁\n謝謝部長,部長還了解這麼多也還不錯,不過再跟部長補充一下,交通部在智慧運輸系統已經投入了43億,我們這部分是24億是針對這個\n4年計畫23億但實際上合定是24億那他不是針對自駕系統他是智慧運輸系統當然這個有很多也很重要因為你們的報告也有看包括那個鐵路的安全的監控沒錯沒錯上一次我跟鐵路局問過他們也講說那個AI還要學習\n對還要一段時間沒那麼快但是也不需要那麼久是啊沒錯我希望說這個時間上部長可以要求一下好我們會加速那另外就是說剛剛也提到就是說這個其實在法規面是沒錯啦是那你可以看美國跟日本跟德國他們在這一部分的法規面都已經訂出了不少了是\n那我們的呢?我們目前自駕公車實驗的運行的安全的指引我們在今年底會完成這個部分是我們正在努力的部長我先讓你簡單的比較啦你看美國包括自駕車的法案然後日本就是他們都有道路運輸車輛法\n實驗條例實驗條例\n委託那個研究計畫目前在訂定自駕車安全指引所以我要讓部長看到的是在這個法規面還離很遠我們還是落後這個要加強我說的就是特斯拉已經無人計程車上路了那臺灣或者是世界的流行\n臺灣跟日本美國德國比較之下\n希望這幾個部門能夠加速來完成以免說到時候真的上路的話法不行沒有跟上\n那再來就是觀光 觀光人口我知道部長那個來台旅客的目標不是當時不是你訂的啦是是是那一開始是訂我們今年要1200萬那下修為1000萬到9月底觀光人次目前的統計大概有550萬\n顯然這個目標達不到到現在今天早上我問的數據是差不多到580幾萬嘛到現在啦580幾萬當然對我們來說到年底要達成1000萬的目標是很辛苦不過坦白講前線的同仁們還在努力我作為部長我不太好直接說不能說達不到不能說達不到但確實是很辛苦對啦其實\n我這樣跟我們部內的同仁講\n我本來是想問你說你現在打算講說明年要幾百萬還是一千萬\n當我們無法達標的時候下一個目標就是以沒達標的那個作為目標\n那你不能一直下修啊不會下修就一樣是1000萬那今年大概可以達到750萬我們在努力當中我們提出一些具體的建議就是說你可以看到我們之前公共署其實也蠻認真的有做了很多的配套的希望能夠增加跟回流的方案比如說高鐵合作的方案比如說代言人的方案那還有跟航空公司促銷的方案還有抽獎\n其實這些觀光署很認真在做我也知道那我們有做的就是先感謝跟鼓勵啦但是沒有辦法做到的是或者是有機會我們在那裡沒有想到的我們可以再加強的我們也應該也給觀光署跟交通部一些建議比如說你看那個我們的免簽國家現在泰國跟菲律賓是免簽是事辦免簽那\n通常我們如果說兩邊要對等事實上也都是我們先發動我們先發動之後他們也會跟著跟進嘛就一段時間之後所以泰國跟菲律賓是這樣來的那我們現在就是說包括現在整個\n中國的企業都往東南亞去發展有很多那這個部分東南亞將來其實他們從未開發國家到開發中國家這個進步的階段事實上應該他們會經濟會成長不少所以吸引這邊的觀光客我是覺得非常的重要所以呢對於印度印尼越南緬甸柬埔寨寮國等等有沒有可能我們可以事辦免簽有條件免簽\n這個部分其實對臺灣的旅遊業絕對有幫助對我們的觀光絕對有幫助所以我們積極來跟外交部來協調這件事決定權會是在外交部但是我們積極來跟他們協調當然免簽有免簽的優點跟缺點但是你也不能因業廢死所以要做一個最完整的調配所以我是建議就是說免簽國家可以再試辦那包括行銷航線那甚至以前有觀光組提年我不知道部長知不知道\n以前曾經每一年度有個觀光主題年後來取消掉了我是認為你有時候大鍋菜人家來要吃什麼菜沒有一個重點有時候多元就是沒有主軸啦\n設定主題委員有主軸有多元這樣子會比較容易focus我們過去曾經辦過自行車方面的年我們其實今年也有我們在日月潭應該是12月的時候要辦環法環法的自行車賽的挑戰賽在日月潭我們也會辦這樣的活動沒關係我的意思不只是自行車我知道要辦一個主題年你每一年以前是每一年有一個觀光主題年\n主席\n所以我是建議這個觀光組提名還可以再恢復那另外就是賣食產業我想展覽會經濟我今天就不談太多了改天再談那也就是說這些東西是不是請交通部可以思考觀光組可以思考就是說除了我們之前的提升方案之外我給這些具體的建議希望說也能夠去思考那也能夠最終達到我們一千萬的目標甚至一千二的目標我們還可以再繼續努力\n委員您今天所建議的每一項都很好我會納入來執行好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.934 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03:20.099\n那我們的呢?我們目前自駕公車實驗的運行的安全的指引我們在今年底會完成這個部分是我們正在努力的部長我先讓你簡單的比較啦你看美國包括自駕車的法案然後日本就是他們都有道路運輸車輛法\n\n03:21.980 --> 03:22.100\n實驗條例實驗條例\n\n03:37.506 --> 03:55.949\n委託那個研究計畫目前在訂定自駕車安全指引所以我要讓部長看到的是在這個法規面還離很遠我們還是落後這個要加強我說的就是特斯拉已經無人計程車上路了那臺灣或者是世界的流行\n\n03:56.710 --> 03:57.791\n臺灣跟日本美國德國比較之下\n\n04:12.918 --> 04:15.859\n希望這幾個部門能夠加速來完成以免說到時候真的上路的話法不行沒有跟上\n\n04:32.657 --> 04:55.659\n那再來就是觀光觀光人口我知道部長那個來台旅客的目標不是當時不是你訂的啦是是是那一開始是訂我們今年要1200萬那下修為1000萬到9月底觀光人次目前的統計大概有550萬\n\n04:58.667 --> 05:24.736\n顯然這個目標達不到到現在今天早上我問的數據是差不多到580幾萬嘛到現在啦580幾萬當然對我們來說到年底要達成1000萬的目標是很辛苦不過坦白講前線的同仁們還在努力我作為部長我不太好直接說不能說達不到不能說達不到但確實是很辛苦對啦其實\n\n05:26.056 --> 05:26.597\n我這樣跟我們部內的同仁講\n\n05:42.312 --> 05:44.113\n我本來是想問你說你現在打算講說明年要幾百萬還是一千萬\n\n06:08.302 --> 06:10.027\n當我們無法達標的時候下一個目標就是以沒達標的那個作為目標\n\n06:16.485 --> 06:43.261\n那你不能一直下修啊不會下修就一樣是1000萬那今年大概可以達到750萬我們在努力當中我們提出一些具體的建議就是說你可以看到我們之前公共署其實也蠻認真的有做了很多的配套的希望能夠增加跟回流的方案比如說高鐵合作的方案比如說代言人的方案那還有跟航空公司促銷的方案還有抽獎\n\n06:44.722 --> 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