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00:00:38,309\n委員好好謝謝部長那在上個月我們最低工資審議會也讓我們最低工資法首次召開然後也拍板定案我們連久長對不對是那在114年1月1號開始我們基本的薪資會從月薪27470調升到28590是那時薪也會從183調到190元是\n\n3\n00:00:46,375 --> 00:01:01,101\n那這部分也是我們執政黨連9年來調漲基本工資嘛那當然這一部分資方的團體當然其實也是挨叫啦那我們據我們看這個數據勞動部統計2017年調漲最低工資我們受惠的國人大概有166萬那2025年調漲受惠的國人大概有220萬\n\n4\n00:01:13,565 --> 00:01:36,666\n那當然調漲基本工資對於我們編輯勞工的提升很顯著那當然也是我們執政黨跟勞動部的努力啦那當然這一部分針對編輯勞工的部分我們也要感謝我們執政黨跟勞動部的努力那這一部分當然除了我們調漲基本最低的基本工資可以幫助我們\n\n5\n00:01:37,367 --> 00:01:54,276\n免費勞工之外那當然也希望藉由調漲最低基本工資來刺激資方也希望能夠讓我們這些的受雇勞工整體薪資能夠來調漲對不對這也是我們一個重要的目標嘛也希望藉由這個來調漲我們整體的薪資\n\n6\n00:01:57,881 --> 00:02:24,111\n那可是針對這一部分我們看104人力銀行的調查還有我們自由時報也有針對這一部分的報導那調漲最低工資其實據他們來了解好像多數的勞工其實是無感的甚至他覺得調漲最低基本工資反而帶動我們物價的上漲針對這一部分部長有沒有來了解一下\n\n7\n00:02:25,071 --> 00:02:53,276\n委員物價的上漲因素是很多啦齁那麼我理解大家對所謂的這個最低工資調漲這個對經常薪資有沒有帶動其實委員我給您報告你想想看我們現在經常薪資的中位數已經來到46000其實是上漲的我們那個曲線喔我們就是當時在最低工資審議委員會的時候我們勞資學政委員我們一直看那個曲線都是其實是同步成長\n\n8\n00:02:53,616 --> 00:03:10,038\n所以你說調漲最低工資讓我們受雇員工的經常性薪資也是跟著調漲是不是當然一定會有帶他是有推波推升因為他是底嘛他是底部他往上走的時候他就會一起往上調對\n\n9\n00:03:11,179 --> 00:03:39,557\n其實針對這一部分我們了解其實調漲最低的工資那很多僱主說讓他的成本提升當然他的獲利下降所以其實針對除了最低基本工資的員工之外很多的員工除了像這些他不是領最低基本工資的這些受僱勞工的薪資他說其實他們是被調降甚至被動漲的\n\n10\n00:03:41,641 --> 00:04:02,479\n所以針對這部分我們來討論一下那其實你看我們提高這個最低薪資以後其實帶動這個物價的上漲所以對於我們實質的薪資對於企業成本的提高然後這些實質薪資其實是不增反減的\n\n11\n00:04:04,130 --> 00:04:10,454\n應該委員您去看這個我們那個統計調查您秀出來的這個110年是4萬2然後11年到4萬3去年我們今年已經達到4萬6了\n\n12\n00:04:22,922 --> 00:04:47,781\n對你看喔從107年開始到111年齁其實你看整體的條幅我們最低基本工資107年你調4點多可是我們的經常性的平均薪資只有提升2點多然後108年你調升5%結果我們的基本經常性平均薪資只有提高到1點多除了110年調0.84然後我們\n\n13\n00:04:53,025 --> 00:05:14,605\n經常性平均薪資提高到1.807以外其實你看這5年以來我們最低工資條幅這麼大可是你看整體的經常性平均薪資其實帶動很小而且這些的調整之後我們說為什麼說他的實質薪資是不增反減因為他的物價的上漲\n\n14\n00:05:15,706 --> 00:05:32,037\n反而大於他薪資的調升所以看起來他的薪資是調漲但是這物價的通膨反而高於他薪資的調升也就是說其實他好像薪資調高事實上他的錢變小了因為我們物價的上漲\n\n15\n00:05:33,168 --> 00:05:34,650\n市有比通膨的那個數字數字那個好這樣子還高對所以這個\n\n16\n00:05:48,670 --> 00:06:12,094\n通膨是這樣通膨當然其實你經濟在成長經濟在好員工薪資在上漲的時候坦白說在經濟學的理論上通膨是一定多多少少都會存在可是當然我們一定我政府要去打擊通膨這也是一定要做的然後跟委員報告我當然也知道您的顧慮所以我們今年在最低工資通過以\n\n17\n00:06:13,334 --> 00:06:38,560\n我們現在也我剛剛在業務報告的時候我有跟你跟大家報告就是中小微企業的補助升級方案啊好那麼我們希望能夠透過我們在救安基金也在這部分有出一部分的預算我們跟經濟部跟交通部針對小微企業我們希望能夠補助員工提升他的數位能力對因為部長這部分其實我之前也跟你討論過\n\n18\n00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,626\n所以是不是這個最低基本工資跟受雇員工的薪資其實是脫鉤的\n\n19\n00:06:57,020 --> 00:07:22,858\n你最低基本工資一直調其實很多民眾說其他是並沒有被調到的反而帶動這物價的上漲讓他的薪水反而你最低基本工資一直調讓很多員工沒有調到錢甚至調的幅度不夠高造成反而他感覺是不增反減反而是被減薪的感覺好那針對這部分我覺得還是可以看一下這些數據你看這個條幅確實是沒有跟上來\n\n20\n00:07:23,798 --> 00:07:44,228\n對我們要努力啦因為我們也這樣子所以去年委員今年委員大院也通過了這個中小企業條例然後希望能夠補助這一個新企業能夠調升這個非最低工資的這樣的員工部分的那你有沒有了解過這個最低最低工資的調漲\n\n21\n00:07:45,489 --> 00:08:06,372\n他其實看這個數據他確實是沒有帶動整體薪資的漲幅就是這個漲幅是沒有跟上來的你最低金資的漲幅是比較大整體的漲幅是比較低那你們了解過企業為什麼不願意調整這個薪資拒絕跟這個受僱員工分享這個盈利這個原因是在哪裡有沒有去了解過\n\n22\n00:08:08,423 --> 00:08:24,109\n對當然這個企業他們在利潤分享的時候他們有他們要他們的priority是什麼這個可能對我們會有他們的計算方式希望企業跟著調生那我想請問一下我們政府有沒有帶頭把這個薪資做調生\n\n23\n00:08:25,735 --> 00:08:46,216\n委員那個行政院通過的軍工教調薪今年連續再調3%就是這個用意對所以公務員也調3%嘛那我們勞動部應該也要跟上對不對您是指勞動部是不是針對這個薪資部門也要跟著調薪您是指非最低工資的人工的那像我們勞動部有些業務是委外的對不對\n\n24\n00:08:47,677 --> 00:09:02,225\n委員那個部分如果是我機構內的我部內的比如說像我的重建中心我明年也會讓他調4%對那就是說在我們在機構內部的我們當然是會所以也會跟著調嗎因為我們要帶勞動部要帶頭嗎當然可是你看一下據我們瞭解喔勞動部勞發署喔他針對自己委外的就業服務的派遣人員你看喔\n\n25\n00:09:13,971 --> 00:09:34,688\n他這個職缺是派到我們勞動部勞發署各個分署去從事就業情報業務的輔導那當然我們基本工資3年挑戰我們算過3年挑戰超過12%結果我們看這個職務連續3年都動漲我們政府自己也沒有帶頭啊你\n\n26\n00:09:35,749 --> 00:09:55,799\n你這個基本工資三年調漲結果你自己委外的這個職缺連續三年都動漲難怪我們看所有從事這個職缺的一兩個月就換人然後整天在爭財那你調漲基本工資要帶動企業要企業帶動結果自己政府也不做委外的也不做\n\n27\n00:09:56,779 --> 00:10:22,653\n委員我們這個明年就會也跟著漲的我們會這個也會漲3%所以這部分我希望部長看一下你看三年我們基本工資調漲12%結果一直呼籲叫企業也跟著帶頭結果我們自己勞動部勞發署所有的委外的都沒有做好我們會來檢討那明年就會一會跟著跟進一起調好這部分還請部長來多瞭解多關心一下好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝那先來休息\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9081\t11025\t好謝謝主席那請問何部長來何部長\n16092\t38309\t委員好好謝謝部長那在上個月我們最低工資審議會也讓我們最低工資法首次召開然後也拍板定案我們連久長對不對是那在114年1月1號開始我們基本的薪資會從月薪27470調升到28590是那時薪也會從183調到190元是\n46375\t61101\t那這部分也是我們執政黨連9年來調漲基本工資嘛那當然這一部分資方的團體當然其實也是挨叫啦那我們據我們看這個數據勞動部統計2017年調漲最低工資我們受惠的國人大概有166萬那2025年調漲受惠的國人大概有220萬\n73565\t96666\t那當然調漲基本工資對於我們編輯勞工的提升很顯著那當然也是我們執政黨跟勞動部的努力啦那當然這一部分針對編輯勞工的部分我們也要感謝我們執政黨跟勞動部的努力那這一部分當然除了我們調漲基本最低的基本工資可以幫助我們\n97367\t114276\t免費勞工之外那當然也希望藉由調漲最低基本工資來刺激資方也希望能夠讓我們這些的受雇勞工整體薪資能夠來調漲對不對這也是我們一個重要的目標嘛也希望藉由這個來調漲我們整體的薪資\n117881\t144111\t那可是針對這一部分我們看104人力銀行的調查還有我們自由時報也有針對這一部分的報導那調漲最低工資其實據他們來了解好像多數的勞工其實是無感的甚至他覺得調漲最低基本工資反而帶動我們物價的上漲針對這一部分部長有沒有來了解一下\n145071\t173276\t委員 物價的上漲因素是很多啦齁 那麼我理解大家對所謂的這個最低工資調漲這個對經常薪資有沒有帶動其實委員我給您報告你想想看我們現在經常薪資的中位數已經來到46000其實是上漲的我們那個曲線喔我們就是當時在最低工資審議委員會的時候我們勞資學政委員我們一直看那個曲線都是其實是同步成長\n173616\t190038\t所以你說調漲最低工資讓我們受雇員工的經常性薪資也是跟著調漲是不是當然一定會有帶他是有推波推升因為他是底嘛他是底部他往上走的時候他就會一起往上調對\n191179\t219557\t其實針對這一部分我們了解其實調漲最低的工資那很多僱主說讓他的成本提升當然他的獲利下降所以其實針對除了最低基本工資的員工之外很多的員工除了像這些他不是領最低基本工資的這些受僱勞工的薪資他說其實他們是被調降甚至被動漲的\n221641\t242479\t所以針對這部分我們來討論一下那其實你看我們提高這個最低薪資以後其實帶動這個物價的上漲所以對於我們實質的薪資對於企業成本的提高然後這些實質薪資其實是不增反減的\n244130\t250454\t應該委員您去看這個我們那個統計調查您秀出來的這個110年是4萬2然後11年到4萬3去年我們今年已經達到4萬6了\n262922\t287781\t對你看喔從107年開始到111年齁其實你看整體的條幅我們最低基本工資107年你調4點多可是我們的經常性的平均薪資只有提升2點多然後108年你調升5%結果我們的基本經常性平均薪資只有提高到1點多除了110年調0.84然後我們\n293025\t314605\t經常性平均薪資提高到1.807以外其實你看這5年以來我們最低工資條幅這麼大可是你看整體的經常性平均薪資其實帶動很小而且這些的調整之後我們說為什麼說他的實質薪資是不增反減因為他的物價的上漲\n315706\t332037\t反而大於他薪資的調升所以看起來他的薪資是調漲但是這物價的通膨反而高於他薪資的調升也就是說其實他好像薪資調高事實上他的錢變小了因為我們物價的上漲\n333168\t334650\t市有比通膨的那個數字數字那個好這樣子還高對所以這個\n348670\t372094\t通膨是這樣通膨當然其實你經濟在成長經濟在好員工薪資在上漲的時候坦白說在經濟學的理論上通膨是一定多多少少都會存在可是當然我們一定我政府要去打擊通膨這也是一定要做的然後跟委員報告我當然也知道您的顧慮所以我們今年在最低工資通過以\n373334\t398560\t我們現在也我剛剛在業務報告的時候我有跟你跟大家報告就是中小微企業的補助升級方案啊好那麼我們希望能夠透過我們在救安基金也在這部分有出一部分的預算我們跟經濟部跟交通部針對小微企業我們希望能夠補助員工提升他的數位能力對因為部長這部分其實我之前也跟你討論過\n399400\t404626\t所以是不是這個最低基本工資跟受雇員工的薪資其實是脫鉤的\n417020\t442858\t你最低基本工資一直調其實很多民眾說其他是並沒有被調到的反而帶動這物價的上漲讓他的薪水反而你最低基本工資一直調讓很多員工沒有調到錢甚至調的幅度不夠高造成反而他感覺是不增反減反而是被減薪的感覺好那針對這部分我覺得還是可以看一下這些數據你看這個條幅確實是沒有跟上來\n443798\t464228\t對我們要努力啦因為我們也這樣子所以去年委員今年委員大院也通過了這個中小企業條例然後希望能夠補助這一個新企業能夠調升這個非最低工資的這樣的員工部分的那你有沒有了解過這個最低最低工資的調漲\n465489\t486372\t他其實看這個數據他確實是沒有帶動整體薪資的漲幅就是這個漲幅是沒有跟上來的你最低金資的漲幅是比較大整體的漲幅是比較低那你們了解過企業為什麼不願意調整這個薪資拒絕跟這個受僱員工分享這個盈利這個原因是在哪裡有沒有去了解過\n488423\t504109\t對當然這個企業他們在利潤分享的時候他們有他們要他們的priority是什麼這個可能對我們會有他們的計算方式希望企業跟著調生那我想請問一下我們政府有沒有帶頭把這個薪資做調生\n505735\t526216\t委員那個行政院通過的軍工教調薪今年連續再調3%就是這個用意對所以公務員也調3%嘛那我們勞動部應該也要跟上對不對您是指勞動部是不是針對這個薪資部門也要跟著調薪您是指非最低工資的人工的那像我們勞動部有些業務是委外的對不對\n527677\t542225\t委員那個部分如果是我機構內的我部內的比如說像我的重建中心我明年也會讓他調4%對那就是說在我們在機構內部的我們當然是會所以也會跟著調嗎因為我們要帶勞動部要帶頭嗎當然可是你看一下據我們瞭解喔勞動部勞發署喔他針對自己委外的就業服務的派遣人員你看喔\n553971\t574688\t他這個職缺是派到我們勞動部勞發署各個分署去從事就業情報業務的輔導那當然我們基本工資3年挑戰我們算過3年挑戰超過12%結果我們看這個職務連續3年都動漲我們政府自己也沒有帶頭啊你\n575749\t595799\t你這個基本工資三年調漲結果你自己委外的這個職缺連續三年都動漲難怪我們看所有從事這個職缺的一兩個月就換人然後整天在爭財那你調漲基本工資要帶動企業要企業帶動結果自己政府也不做委外的也不做\n596779\t622653\t委員我們這個明年就會也跟著漲的我們會這個也會漲3%所以這部分我希望部長看一下你看三年我們基本工資調漲12%結果一直呼籲叫企業也跟著帶頭結果我們自己勞動部勞發署所有的委外的都沒有做好我們會來檢討那明年就會一會跟著跟進一起調好這部分還請部長來多瞭解多關心一下好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝那先來休息\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那請問何部長來何部長\n委員好好謝謝部長那在上個月我們最低工資審議會也讓我們最低工資法首次召開然後也拍板定案我們連久長對不對是那在114年1月1號開始我們基本的薪資會從月薪27470調升到28590是那時薪也會從183調到190元是\n那這部分也是我們執政黨連9年來調漲基本工資嘛那當然這一部分資方的團體當然其實也是挨叫啦那我們據我們看這個數據勞動部統計2017年調漲最低工資我們受惠的國人大概有166萬那2025年調漲受惠的國人大概有220萬\n那當然調漲基本工資對於我們編輯勞工的提升很顯著那當然也是我們執政黨跟勞動部的努力啦那當然這一部分針對編輯勞工的部分我們也要感謝我們執政黨跟勞動部的努力那這一部分當然除了我們調漲基本最低的基本工資可以幫助我們\n免費勞工之外那當然也希望藉由調漲最低基本工資來刺激資方也希望能夠讓我們這些的受雇勞工整體薪資能夠來調漲對不對這也是我們一個重要的目標嘛也希望藉由這個來調漲我們整體的薪資\n那可是針對這一部分我們看104人力銀行的調查還有我們自由時報也有針對這一部分的報導那調漲最低工資其實據他們來了解好像多數的勞工其實是無感的甚至他覺得調漲最低基本工資反而帶動我們物價的上漲針對這一部分部長有沒有來了解一下\n委員 物價的上漲因素是很多啦齁 那麼我理解大家對所謂的這個最低工資調漲這個對經常薪資有沒有帶動其實委員我給您報告你想想看我們現在經常薪資的中位數已經來到46000其實是上漲的我們那個曲線喔我們就是當時在最低工資審議委員會的時候我們勞資學政委員我們一直看那個曲線都是其實是同步成長\n所以你說調漲最低工資讓我們受雇員工的經常性薪資也是跟著調漲是不是當然一定會有帶他是有推波推升因為他是底嘛他是底部他往上走的時候他就會一起往上調對\n其實針對這一部分我們了解其實調漲最低的工資那很多僱主說讓他的成本提升當然他的獲利下降所以其實針對除了最低基本工資的員工之外很多的員工除了像這些他不是領最低基本工資的這些受僱勞工的薪資他說其實他們是被調降甚至被動漲的\n所以針對這部分我們來討論一下那其實你看我們提高這個最低薪資以後其實帶動這個物價的上漲所以對於我們實質的薪資對於企業成本的提高然後這些實質薪資其實是不增反減的\n應該委員您去看這個我們那個統計調查您秀出來的這個110年是4萬2然後11年到4萬3去年我們今年已經達到4萬6了\n對你看喔從107年開始到111年齁其實你看整體的條幅我們最低基本工資107年你調4點多可是我們的經常性的平均薪資只有提升2點多然後108年你調升5%結果我們的基本經常性平均薪資只有提高到1點多除了110年調0.84然後我們\n經常性平均薪資提高到1.807以外其實你看這5年以來我們最低工資條幅這麼大可是你看整體的經常性平均薪資其實帶動很小而且這些的調整之後我們說為什麼說他的實質薪資是不增反減因為他的物價的上漲\n反而大於他薪資的調升所以看起來他的薪資是調漲但是這物價的通膨反而高於他薪資的調升也就是說其實他好像薪資調高事實上他的錢變小了因為我們物價的上漲\n市有比通膨的那個數字數字那個好這樣子還高對所以這個\n通膨是這樣通膨當然其實你經濟在成長經濟在好員工薪資在上漲的時候坦白說在經濟學的理論上通膨是一定多多少少都會存在可是當然我們一定我政府要去打擊通膨這也是一定要做的然後跟委員報告我當然也知道您的顧慮所以我們今年在最低工資通過以\n我們現在也我剛剛在業務報告的時候我有跟你跟大家報告就是中小微企業的補助升級方案啊好那麼我們希望能夠透過我們在救安基金也在這部分有出一部分的預算我們跟經濟部跟交通部針對小微企業我們希望能夠補助員工提升他的數位能力對因為部長這部分其實我之前也跟你討論過\n所以是不是這個最低基本工資跟受雇員工的薪資其實是脫鉤的\n你最低基本工資一直調其實很多民眾說其他是並沒有被調到的反而帶動這物價的上漲讓他的薪水反而你最低基本工資一直調讓很多員工沒有調到錢甚至調的幅度不夠高造成反而他感覺是不增反減反而是被減薪的感覺好那針對這部分我覺得還是可以看一下這些數據你看這個條幅確實是沒有跟上來\n對我們要努力啦因為我們也這樣子所以去年委員今年委員大院也通過了這個中小企業條例然後希望能夠補助這一個新企業能夠調升這個非最低工資的這樣的員工部分的那你有沒有了解過這個最低最低工資的調漲\n他其實看這個數據他確實是沒有帶動整體薪資的漲幅就是這個漲幅是沒有跟上來的你最低金資的漲幅是比較大整體的漲幅是比較低那你們了解過企業為什麼不願意調整這個薪資拒絕跟這個受僱員工分享這個盈利這個原因是在哪裡有沒有去了解過\n對當然這個企業他們在利潤分享的時候他們有他們要他們的priority是什麼這個可能對我們會有他們的計算方式希望企業跟著調生那我想請問一下我們政府有沒有帶頭把這個薪資做調生\n委員那個行政院通過的軍工教調薪今年連續再調3%就是這個用意對所以公務員也調3%嘛那我們勞動部應該也要跟上對不對您是指勞動部是不是針對這個薪資部門也要跟著調薪您是指非最低工資的人工的那像我們勞動部有些業務是委外的對不對\n委員那個部分如果是我機構內的我部內的比如說像我的重建中心我明年也會讓他調4%對那就是說在我們在機構內部的我們當然是會所以也會跟著調嗎因為我們要帶勞動部要帶頭嗎當然可是你看一下據我們瞭解喔勞動部勞發署喔他針對自己委外的就業服務的派遣人員你看喔\n他這個職缺是派到我們勞動部勞發署各個分署去從事就業情報業務的輔導那當然我們基本工資3年挑戰我們算過3年挑戰超過12%結果我們看這個職務連續3年都動漲我們政府自己也沒有帶頭啊你\n你這個基本工資三年調漲結果你自己委外的這個職缺連續三年都動漲難怪我們看所有從事這個職缺的一兩個月就換人然後整天在爭財那你調漲基本工資要帶動企業要企業帶動結果自己政府也不做委外的也不做\n委員我們這個明年就會也跟著漲的我們會這個也會漲3%所以這部分我希望部長看一下你看三年我們基本工資調漲12%結果一直呼籲叫企業也跟著帶頭結果我們自己勞動部勞發署所有的委外的都沒有做好我們會來檢討那明年就會一會跟著跟進一起調好這部分還請部長來多瞭解多關心一下好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝那先來休息\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.081 --> 00:11.025\n好謝謝主席那請問何部長來何部長\n\n00:16.092 --> 00:38.309\n委員好好謝謝部長那在上個月我們最低工資審議會也讓我們最低工資法首次召開然後也拍板定案我們連久長對不對是那在114年1月1號開始我們基本的薪資會從月薪27470調升到28590是那時薪也會從183調到190元是\n\n00:46.375 --> 01:01.101\n那這部分也是我們執政黨連9年來調漲基本工資嘛那當然這一部分資方的團體當然其實也是挨叫啦那我們據我們看這個數據勞動部統計2017年調漲最低工資我們受惠的國人大概有166萬那2025年調漲受惠的國人大概有220萬\n\n01:13.565 --> 01:36.666\n那當然調漲基本工資對於我們編輯勞工的提升很顯著那當然也是我們執政黨跟勞動部的努力啦那當然這一部分針對編輯勞工的部分我們也要感謝我們執政黨跟勞動部的努力那這一部分當然除了我們調漲基本最低的基本工資可以幫助我們\n\n01:37.367 --> 01:54.276\n免費勞工之外那當然也希望藉由調漲最低基本工資來刺激資方也希望能夠讓我們這些的受雇勞工整體薪資能夠來調漲對不對這也是我們一個重要的目標嘛也希望藉由這個來調漲我們整體的薪資\n\n01:57.881 --> 02:24.111\n那可是針對這一部分我們看104人力銀行的調查還有我們自由時報也有針對這一部分的報導那調漲最低工資其實據他們來了解好像多數的勞工其實是無感的甚至他覺得調漲最低基本工資反而帶動我們物價的上漲針對這一部分部長有沒有來了解一下\n\n02:25.071 --> 02:53.276\n委員物價的上漲因素是很多啦齁那麼我理解大家對所謂的這個最低工資調漲這個對經常薪資有沒有帶動其實委員我給您報告你想想看我們現在經常薪資的中位數已經來到46000其實是上漲的我們那個曲線喔我們就是當時在最低工資審議委員會的時候我們勞資學政委員我們一直看那個曲線都是其實是同步成長\n\n02:53.616 --> 03:10.038\n所以你說調漲最低工資讓我們受雇員工的經常性薪資也是跟著調漲是不是當然一定會有帶他是有推波推升因為他是底嘛他是底部他往上走的時候他就會一起往上調對\n\n03:11.179 --> 03:39.557\n其實針對這一部分我們了解其實調漲最低的工資那很多僱主說讓他的成本提升當然他的獲利下降所以其實針對除了最低基本工資的員工之外很多的員工除了像這些他不是領最低基本工資的這些受僱勞工的薪資他說其實他們是被調降甚至被動漲的\n\n03:41.641 --> 04:02.479\n所以針對這部分我們來討論一下那其實你看我們提高這個最低薪資以後其實帶動這個物價的上漲所以對於我們實質的薪資對於企業成本的提高然後這些實質薪資其實是不增反減的\n\n04:04.130 --> 04:10.454\n應該委員您去看這個我們那個統計調查您秀出來的這個110年是4萬2然後11年到4萬3去年我們今年已經達到4萬6了\n\n04:22.922 --> 04:47.781\n對你看喔從107年開始到111年齁其實你看整體的條幅我們最低基本工資107年你調4點多可是我們的經常性的平均薪資只有提升2點多然後108年你調升5%結果我們的基本經常性平均薪資只有提高到1點多除了110年調0.84然後我們\n\n04:53.025 --> 05:14.605\n經常性平均薪資提高到1.807以外其實你看這5年以來我們最低工資條幅這麼大可是你看整體的經常性平均薪資其實帶動很小而且這些的調整之後我們說為什麼說他的實質薪資是不增反減因為他的物價的上漲\n\n05:15.706 --> 05:32.037\n反而大於他薪資的調升所以看起來他的薪資是調漲但是這物價的通膨反而高於他薪資的調升也就是說其實他好像薪資調高事實上他的錢變小了因為我們物價的上漲\n\n05:33.168 --> 05:34.650\n市有比通膨的那個數字數字那個好這樣子還高對所以這個\n\n05:48.670 --> 06:12.094\n通膨是這樣通膨當然其實你經濟在成長經濟在好員工薪資在上漲的時候坦白說在經濟學的理論上通膨是一定多多少少都會存在可是當然我們一定我政府要去打擊通膨這也是一定要做的然後跟委員報告我當然也知道您的顧慮所以我們今年在最低工資通過以\n\n06:13.334 --> 06:38.560\n我們現在也我剛剛在業務報告的時候我有跟你跟大家報告就是中小微企業的補助升級方案啊好那麼我們希望能夠透過我們在救安基金也在這部分有出一部分的預算我們跟經濟部跟交通部針對小微企業我們希望能夠補助員工提升他的數位能力對因為部長這部分其實我之前也跟你討論過\n\n06:39.400 --> 06:44.626\n所以是不是這個最低基本工資跟受雇員工的薪資其實是脫鉤的\n\n06:57.020 --> 07:22.858\n你最低基本工資一直調其實很多民眾說其他是並沒有被調到的反而帶動這物價的上漲讓他的薪水反而你最低基本工資一直調讓很多員工沒有調到錢甚至調的幅度不夠高造成反而他感覺是不增反減反而是被減薪的感覺好那針對這部分我覺得還是可以看一下這些數據你看這個條幅確實是沒有跟上來\n\n07:23.798 --> 07:44.228\n對我們要努力啦因為我們也這樣子所以去年委員今年委員大院也通過了這個中小企業條例然後希望能夠補助這一個新企業能夠調升這個非最低工資的這樣的員工部分的那你有沒有了解過這個最低最低工資的調漲\n\n07:45.489 --> 08:06.372\n他其實看這個數據他確實是沒有帶動整體薪資的漲幅就是這個漲幅是沒有跟上來的你最低金資的漲幅是比較大整體的漲幅是比較低那你們了解過企業為什麼不願意調整這個薪資拒絕跟這個受僱員工分享這個盈利這個原因是在哪裡有沒有去了解過\n\n08:08.423 --> 08:24.109\n對當然這個企業他們在利潤分享的時候他們有他們要他們的priority是什麼這個可能對我們會有他們的計算方式希望企業跟著調生那我想請問一下我們政府有沒有帶頭把這個薪資做調生\n\n08:25.735 --> 08:46.216\n委員那個行政院通過的軍工教調薪今年連續再調3%就是這個用意對所以公務員也調3%嘛那我們勞動部應該也要跟上對不對您是指勞動部是不是針對這個薪資部門也要跟著調薪您是指非最低工資的人工的那像我們勞動部有些業務是委外的對不對\n\n08:47.677 --> 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