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00:01:09,926\n我要提到的就是有關進口郵包的部分因為從疫情過後大家的習慣性很多人沒時間出國或者是出國的花費更多他們寧願購物的方式是用郵購的方式這在疫情之後大家培養的習慣那我們現在進口的郵包現在還是規範在新台幣2000塊\n\n4\n00:01:16,727 --> 00:01:44,984\n那我稍微參考了一下國外的數字我們看一下後面兩張我們韓國進口的郵包他們免稅額是在4800塊台幣左右新加坡是9800香港進口是全部都免稅然後美國是定在25000台幣左右這個金額更高所以部長我們既然出國帶回來免稅品有調整其實我更認為\n\n5\n00:01:46,465 --> 00:02:05,234\n其實2000塊郵包有時候我常在網路上購買一些韓國的美妝、化妝品其實2000塊常常一下子就超過了所以我認為這個政策其實應該有檢討的必要性部長你認為呢或署長可不可以直接回應我\n\n6\n00:02:06,550 --> 00:02:33,683\n跟委員報告我們原來是3000塊在107年的時候調為2000塊那當然第一個考慮到其實現在什麼都漲了嘛全世界物價什麼都漲了嘛我們同時有考慮到國內電商平台業者還有進口業者還有相關製造業的一個租稅公平這個部分我們必須是要去考慮的然後同時也要避免這個濫用這個低價免稅制度的有討論當然但是我提到的就是說自然\n\n7\n00:02:34,723 --> 00:02:40,268\n從國外貸還免稅品我們有提高我們過去也是3000塊後來我們調漲為2000但是現在考慮到同樣物價的指數國民所得國際的物價在這三個前提之下我們這個郵購的這個相關的一些物件喔免稅的額度其實也應該可以同時一併再做進一步的檢討\n\n8\n00:02:58,505 --> 00:03:15,335\n也跟委員報告,謝謝委員這邊收集的相當完整的資料但我們所知,其實各國目前也有一些在檢討是不是要取消這樣的一個進口免稅額度這個部分我們覺得這個部分事實上要跟國際的趨勢必須要能夠接軌一次\n\n9\n00:03:16,135 --> 00:03:37,686\n我同意接軌,那你現階段人家的金額我們都沒跟人家接軌所以部長我覺得這個可以儘快因為這個是民眾有感啊你們的政府都在講說民眾有感民眾有感我就提到說我接到了很多陳情在網路上大家的意見是這樣所以我希望部長可不可以在兩個月之內不管結果如何\n\n10\n00:03:38,726 --> 00:03:41,228\n二個月之內提出一個報告結果給我,好不好?\n\n11\n00:03:41,228 --> 00:03:59,725\n好的,好的,謝謝委員。好不好,研究了半年一年,馬上這一任要到還沒有結果。好,這是第一個問題。好,第二個問題是金融營業稅的部分方向。之前金管會的主委跟我回應說我們希望打亞洲盃打世界盃,包括我們雖然沒有機會\n\n12\n00:04:01,247 --> 00:04:19,444\n在上一波成為亞洲的金融中心但是我們希望還是有機會在這個階段成為亞洲的資產管理中心可以兌現賴總統的政策到底我們營業稅的方向上個會期回應我說調整成2%或3%\n\n13\n00:04:21,085 --> 00:04:34,223\n今年年底要做確定那年底時間也到了總是該有一個結果跟方向而且這個部分還涉及到後面的修法對不對那這個會期時間也不多所以部長到底方向是什麼到底是降為2%還是3%\n\n14\n00:04:36,153 --> 00:05:00,396\n跟委員報告金融營業稅有關銀行跟保險本業的營業稅目前是5%好那因為這裡面有一個就是金融營業稅撥入金融業特別準備金到今年年底部長這個我都知道大家都知道你只要回答我到底是2%3%時間點目前沒有調整的規劃完全沒有調整的規劃目前沒有調整的規劃所以年底也不要修法目前沒有因為不需要修法\n\n15\n00:05:02,153 --> 00:05:11,725\n所以還是維持5%維持5%那所有的稅款就改進入國庫那進入國庫以後當然我們會做國家監視這個是確定的方向是的\n\n16\n00:05:14,135 --> 00:05:33,546\n我尊重但是我必須這是跨部會討論的結果我們有跟金管會做密切的溝通以及了解以及我們也做討論總統也知道這件事情嗎這個部分在我們編列預算的時候當然都會去討論明年可能的一些稅務的金額部長我提醒你們啦\n\n17\n00:05:37,189 --> 00:05:58,842\n這件事牽涉到賴清德當時選舉的政策跟政見這也是當時他找彭金榮來的另外一個非常主要的原因他希望成為亞洲的資產管理中心世界上目前包括新加坡也好很多對於金融業稅他甚至是很低甚至是零所以\n\n18\n00:05:59,582 --> 00:06:21,094\n我尊重你們最後的決定等會兒完全執政就要負責任但是這個會讓我們未來產業的發展、金融業的發展會不會更沒有彈性如果這是你正確的決定我尊重但是我覺得這個未來要變成打亞洲盃打世界盃的亞洲資產管理中心我認為挑戰是非常高的\n\n19\n00:06:21,374 --> 00:06:48,994\n也跟委員報告當然這個部分我們也經過詳細的討論跟金管會第一個就是說我們目前銀行業保險整體稅負和國際比較起來並沒有比較好部長部長我尊重你們我就不再這個問題因為我後面我想問新清安的問題我只是要提醒你們你們後面打亞洲杯打世界杯亞洲資產管理中心你們的彈性可能就會越來越少接下來我還是要問新清安政策我也請金管會的副主委陳燕良副主委今天有來對不對\n\n20\n00:06:51,155 --> 00:07:17,785\n部長那個我想這個會議齁你剛回應前一個委員賴昭偉你回應說不是打房是打草房打草房這件事情就是說房價上漲得太厲害我覺得合理的意志我尊重但是這第七波歷年來有史以來最高的打草房的政策是誰引起的是新清安政策引起的\n\n21\n00:07:19,624 --> 00:07:35,541\n當時沒有思考清楚我們長久以來對於不合理的房價提升長期以來我們都有一定的政策在管制長期以來都有但是這一波是新金安政策當時沒有思考清楚所衍生的後果\n\n22\n00:07:36,021 --> 00:08:02,959\n好,那後果已經產生不管各個工會、產業界都有不同版本建議進來我希望你們兩位都有看到兩個部會都有看到甚至央行都有看到但是我要提醒你們就是說現在很多民間當時在做一些商品的就是說貸款的同時包括公股銀行也是有一些甚至會要求說要加買一些保險所以這個部分\n\n23\n00:08:03,619 --> 00:08:16,304\n我看到產業界有陳情就是說這個部分讓承貸戶的負擔更加嚴重那這一點到底公股銀行有沒有這樣的問題未來我們會不會做管理\n\n24\n00:08:17,947 --> 00:08:24,391\n跟委員報告沒有這樣的一個問題有關房貸加稅你沒有聽說嗎就是房貸的同時要加買其他保險的商品衍生商品你沒有聽說這件事情嗎房貸的時候要買其他相關商品推薦明示暗示的方式\n\n25\n00:08:37,098 --> 00:09:02,850\n購買無關的金融產品不能作為是否核准貸款的一個條件我當然知道但是你這個是官方的回答也有相關的規範部長你不要坐在辦公室裡面我提醒的是我聽到我也知道有這樣子的聲音有這樣問題在所以我提醒你我今天我是善意的提醒你不要把我的諮詢都當作我在我善意的提醒你有這麼一件事情所以\n\n26\n00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:16,838\n作販賣同時無關緊要的金融商品要順便要買明示或暗示的方式貸款會更順利這個都加重他們的負擔一隻牛被八九存皮所以部長好好改進然後另外到底我們25年前我們講說那個不動產的放貸不得超過30%的上限\n\n27\n00:09:30,821 --> 00:09:49,140\n這是30年前的你說銀行法的規定嗎?銀行法,對我們現在銀行投資的管道很多元投資買什麼東西很多元到底30%的上限有沒有檢討的必要性這是金管會的業務25年前\n\n28\n00:09:53,392 --> 00:10:01,181\n到底那個比例怎麼樣分配是一個比較合理的方法跟方式其實銀行的投資面臨現在國際的挑戰\n\n29\n00:10:03,935 --> 00:10:29,982\n國際金融的挑戰處處都有風險什麼是一個最合理的比例30%放在房貸的上限是25年前有沒有重新討論的必要性或者重新把所有的比例重新拿回來討論我覺得這是一個很重要的課題跟議題這次打房昨天是講到說因為打得快到28了放貸到28了我們不希望到28我們後面再來打可能會越打越重今晚會主委昨天是這麼講的所以我提醒你們\n\n30\n00:10:32,463 --> 00:10:35,669\n就是說我覺得可以重新再檢討可以討論因為這畢竟是25年前的規範跟規定嘛\n\n31\n00:10:42,318 --> 00:11:09,915\n副主委是謝謝委員那因為這是一個風險集中度的問題那我想我們回去都有風險什麼樣都有風險只是我覺得這是25年前的38放貸放在房貸放在比是不是一個合理有沒有重新把所有的比例再拿出來檢討還不只是房貸包括其他的投資都是我覺得可以重新再討論是這我也請銀行局把這個課題帶回去研究一個月之內給我答案是好謝謝委員\n\n32\n00:11:11,937 --> 00:11:15,300\n謝謝理念委員接下來我們請王鴻薇委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2332\t29845\t部長早 好久不見了我今天其實好多個問題我們就快速的答案給我我先問一個很多民眾陳情的問題因為我關注到今年度其實你們有對於出國帶回的物品的免稅額有做一些調整那包括入境免稅額從兩萬條到三萬五你們的理由是說你們參考了物價的指數包括國民所得跟國際的物價等等\n31086\t53001\t這個政策看起來民眾其實也鼓掌較好因為其實免稅2萬塊一趟好不容易有機會出國買回來東西其實常常其實3萬塊3萬5好像好像好像很多人還跟我反映說3萬5其實也不是太足夠但是其實這是一個正確的方向我們就給你鼓勵但是\n54022\t69926\t我要提到的就是有關進口郵包的部分因為從疫情過後大家的習慣性很多人沒時間出國或者是出國的花費更多他們寧願購物的方式是用郵購的方式這在疫情之後大家培養的習慣那我們現在進口的郵包現在還是規範在新台幣2000塊\n76727\t104984\t那我稍微參考了一下國外的數字我們看一下後面兩張我們韓國進口的郵包他們免稅額是在4800塊台幣左右新加坡是9800香港進口是全部都免稅然後美國是定在25000台幣左右這個金額更高所以部長我們既然出國帶回來免稅品有調整其實我更認為\n106465\t125234\t其實2000塊郵包有時候我常在網路上購買一些韓國的美妝、化妝品其實2000塊常常一下子就超過了所以我認為這個政策其實應該有檢討的必要性部長你認為呢或署長可不可以直接回應我\n126550\t153683\t跟委員報告我們原來是3000塊在107年的時候調為2000塊那當然第一個考慮到其實現在什麼都漲了嘛全世界物價什麼都漲了嘛我們同時有考慮到國內電商平台業者還有進口業者還有相關製造業的一個租稅公平這個部分我們必須是要去考慮的然後同時也要避免這個濫用這個低價免稅制度的有討論當然但是我提到的就是說自然\n154723\t160268\t從國外貸還免稅品我們有提高我們過去也是3000塊後來我們調漲為2000但是現在考慮到同樣物價的指數國民所得國際的物價在這三個前提之下我們這個郵購的這個相關的一些物件喔免稅的額度其實也應該可以同時一併再做進一步的檢討\n178505\t195335\t也跟委員報告,謝謝委員這邊收集的相當完整的資料但我們所知,其實各國目前也有一些在檢討是不是要取消這樣的一個進口免稅額度這個部分我們覺得這個部分事實上要跟國際的趨勢必須要能夠接軌一次\n196135\t217686\t我同意接軌,那你現階段人家的金額我們都沒跟人家接軌所以部長我覺得這個可以儘快因為這個是民眾有感啊你們的政府都在講說民眾有感民眾有感我就提到說我接到了很多陳情在網路上大家的意見是這樣所以我希望部長可不可以在兩個月之內不管結果如何\n218726\t221228\t二個月之內提出一個報告結果給我,好不好?\n221228\t239725\t好的,好的,謝謝委員。好不好,研究了半年一年,馬上這一任要到還沒有結果。好,這是第一個問題。好,第二個問題是金融營業稅的部分方向。之前金管會的主委跟我回應說我們希望打亞洲盃打世界盃,包括我們雖然沒有機會\n241247\t259444\t在上一波成為亞洲的金融中心但是我們希望還是有機會在這個階段成為亞洲的資產管理中心可以兌現賴總統的政策到底我們營業稅的方向上個會期回應我說調整成2%或3%\n261085\t274223\t今年年底要做確定那年底時間也到了總是該有一個結果跟方向而且這個部分還涉及到後面的修法對不對那這個會期時間也不多所以部長到底方向是什麼到底是降為2%還是3%\n276153\t300396\t跟委員報告金融營業稅有關銀行跟保險本業的營業稅目前是5%好那因為這裡面有一個就是金融營業稅撥入金融業特別準備金到今年年底部長這個我都知道大家都知道你只要回答我到底是2%3%時間點目前沒有調整的規劃完全沒有調整的規劃目前沒有調整的規劃所以年底也不要修法目前沒有因為不需要修法\n302153\t311725\t所以還是維持5%維持5%那所有的稅款就改進入國庫那進入國庫以後當然我們會做國家監視這個是確定的方向是的\n314135\t333546\t我尊重但是我必須這是跨部會討論的結果我們有跟金管會做密切的溝通以及了解以及我們也做討論總統也知道這件事情嗎這個部分在我們編列預算的時候當然都會去討論明年可能的一些稅務的金額部長我提醒你們啦\n337189\t358842\t這件事牽涉到賴清德當時選舉的政策跟政見這也是當時他找彭金榮來的另外一個非常主要的原因他希望成為亞洲的資產管理中心世界上目前包括新加坡也好很多對於金融業稅他甚至是很低甚至是零所以\n359582\t381094\t我尊重你們最後的決定等會兒完全執政就要負責任但是這個會讓我們未來產業的發展、金融業的發展會不會更沒有彈性如果這是你正確的決定我尊重但是我覺得這個未來要變成打亞洲盃打世界盃的亞洲資產管理中心我認為挑戰是非常高的\n381374\t408994\t也跟委員報告當然這個部分我們也經過詳細的討論跟金管會第一個就是說我們目前銀行業保險整體稅負和國際比較起來並沒有比較好部長部長我尊重你們我就不再這個問題因為我後面我想問新清安的問題我只是要提醒你們你們後面打亞洲杯打世界杯亞洲資產管理中心你們的彈性可能就會越來越少接下來我還是要問新清安政策我也請金管會的副主委陳燕良副主委今天有來對不對\n411155\t437785\t部長那個我想這個會議齁你剛回應前一個委員賴昭偉你回應說不是打房是打草房打草房這件事情就是說房價上漲得太厲害我覺得合理的意志我尊重但是這第七波歷年來有史以來最高的打草房的政策是誰引起的是新清安政策引起的\n439624\t455541\t當時沒有思考清楚我們長久以來對於不合理的房價提升長期以來我們都有一定的政策在管制長期以來都有但是這一波是新金安政策當時沒有思考清楚所衍生的後果\n456021\t482959\t好,那後果已經產生不管各個工會、產業界都有不同版本建議進來我希望你們兩位都有看到兩個部會都有看到甚至央行都有看到但是我要提醒你們就是說現在很多民間當時在做一些商品的就是說貸款的同時包括公股銀行也是有一些甚至會要求說要加買一些保險所以這個部分\n483619\t496304\t我看到產業界有陳情就是說這個部分讓承貸戶的負擔更加嚴重那這一點到底公股銀行有沒有這樣的問題未來我們會不會做管理\n497947\t504391\t跟委員報告沒有這樣的一個問題有關房貸加稅你沒有聽說嗎就是房貸的同時要加買其他保險的商品衍生商品你沒有聽說這件事情嗎房貸的時候要買其他相關商品推薦明示暗示的方式\n517098\t542850\t購買無關的金融產品不能作為是否核准貸款的一個條件我當然知道但是你這個是官方的回答也有相關的規範部長你不要坐在辦公室裡面我提醒的是我聽到我也知道有這樣子的聲音有這樣問題在所以我提醒你我今天我是善意的提醒你不要把我的諮詢都當作我在我善意的提醒你有這麼一件事情所以\n543810\t556838\t作販賣同時無關緊要的金融商品要順便要買明示或暗示的方式貸款會更順利這個都加重他們的負擔一隻牛被八九存皮所以部長好好改進然後另外到底我們25年前我們講說那個不動產的放貸不得超過30%的上限\n570821\t589140\t這是30年前的你說銀行法的規定嗎?銀行法,對我們現在銀行投資的管道很多元投資買什麼東西很多元到底30%的上限有沒有檢討的必要性這是金管會的業務25年前\n593392\t601181\t到底那個比例怎麼樣分配是一個比較合理的方法跟方式其實銀行的投資面臨現在國際的挑戰\n603935\t629982\t國際金融的挑戰處處都有風險什麼是一個最合理的比例30%放在房貸的上限是25年前有沒有重新討論的必要性或者重新把所有的比例重新拿回來討論我覺得這是一個很重要的課題跟議題這次打房昨天是講到說因為打得快到28了放貸到28了我們不希望到28我們後面再來打可能會越打越重今晚會主委昨天是這麼講的所以我提醒你們\n632463\t635669\t就是說我覺得可以重新再檢討可以討論因為這畢竟是25年前的規範跟規定嘛\n642318\t669915\t副主委是謝謝委員那因為這是一個風險集中度的問題那我想我們回去都有風險什麼樣都有風險只是我覺得這是25年前的38放貸放在房貸放在比是不是一個合理有沒有重新把所有的比例再拿出來檢討還不只是房貸包括其他的投資都是我覺得可以重新再討論是這我也請銀行局把這個課題帶回去研究一個月之內給我答案是好謝謝委員\n671937\t675300\t謝謝理念委員接下來我們請王鴻薇委員\n","txt":"部長早 好久不見了我今天其實好多個問題我們就快速的答案給我我先問一個很多民眾陳情的問題因為我關注到今年度其實你們有對於出國帶回的物品的免稅額有做一些調整那包括入境免稅額從兩萬條到三萬五你們的理由是說你們參考了物價的指數包括國民所得跟國際的物價等等\n這個政策看起來民眾其實也鼓掌較好因為其實免稅2萬塊一趟好不容易有機會出國買回來東西其實常常其實3萬塊3萬5好像好像好像很多人還跟我反映說3萬5其實也不是太足夠但是其實這是一個正確的方向我們就給你鼓勵但是\n我要提到的就是有關進口郵包的部分因為從疫情過後大家的習慣性很多人沒時間出國或者是出國的花費更多他們寧願購物的方式是用郵購的方式這在疫情之後大家培養的習慣那我們現在進口的郵包現在還是規範在新台幣2000塊\n那我稍微參考了一下國外的數字我們看一下後面兩張我們韓國進口的郵包他們免稅額是在4800塊台幣左右新加坡是9800香港進口是全部都免稅然後美國是定在25000台幣左右這個金額更高所以部長我們既然出國帶回來免稅品有調整其實我更認為\n其實2000塊郵包有時候我常在網路上購買一些韓國的美妝、化妝品其實2000塊常常一下子就超過了所以我認為這個政策其實應該有檢討的必要性部長你認為呢或署長可不可以直接回應我\n跟委員報告我們原來是3000塊在107年的時候調為2000塊那當然第一個考慮到其實現在什麼都漲了嘛全世界物價什麼都漲了嘛我們同時有考慮到國內電商平台業者還有進口業者還有相關製造業的一個租稅公平這個部分我們必須是要去考慮的然後同時也要避免這個濫用這個低價免稅制度的有討論當然但是我提到的就是說自然\n從國外貸還免稅品我們有提高我們過去也是3000塊後來我們調漲為2000但是現在考慮到同樣物價的指數國民所得國際的物價在這三個前提之下我們這個郵購的這個相關的一些物件喔免稅的額度其實也應該可以同時一併再做進一步的檢討\n也跟委員報告,謝謝委員這邊收集的相當完整的資料但我們所知,其實各國目前也有一些在檢討是不是要取消這樣的一個進口免稅額度這個部分我們覺得這個部分事實上要跟國際的趨勢必須要能夠接軌一次\n我同意接軌,那你現階段人家的金額我們都沒跟人家接軌所以部長我覺得這個可以儘快因為這個是民眾有感啊你們的政府都在講說民眾有感民眾有感我就提到說我接到了很多陳情在網路上大家的意見是這樣所以我希望部長可不可以在兩個月之內不管結果如何\n二個月之內提出一個報告結果給我,好不好?\n好的,好的,謝謝委員。好不好,研究了半年一年,馬上這一任要到還沒有結果。好,這是第一個問題。好,第二個問題是金融營業稅的部分方向。之前金管會的主委跟我回應說我們希望打亞洲盃打世界盃,包括我們雖然沒有機會\n在上一波成為亞洲的金融中心但是我們希望還是有機會在這個階段成為亞洲的資產管理中心可以兌現賴總統的政策到底我們營業稅的方向上個會期回應我說調整成2%或3%\n今年年底要做確定那年底時間也到了總是該有一個結果跟方向而且這個部分還涉及到後面的修法對不對那這個會期時間也不多所以部長到底方向是什麼到底是降為2%還是3%\n跟委員報告金融營業稅有關銀行跟保險本業的營業稅目前是5%好那因為這裡面有一個就是金融營業稅撥入金融業特別準備金到今年年底部長這個我都知道大家都知道你只要回答我到底是2%3%時間點目前沒有調整的規劃完全沒有調整的規劃目前沒有調整的規劃所以年底也不要修法目前沒有因為不需要修法\n所以還是維持5%維持5%那所有的稅款就改進入國庫那進入國庫以後當然我們會做國家監視這個是確定的方向是的\n我尊重但是我必須這是跨部會討論的結果我們有跟金管會做密切的溝通以及了解以及我們也做討論總統也知道這件事情嗎這個部分在我們編列預算的時候當然都會去討論明年可能的一些稅務的金額部長我提醒你們啦\n這件事牽涉到賴清德當時選舉的政策跟政見這也是當時他找彭金榮來的另外一個非常主要的原因他希望成為亞洲的資產管理中心世界上目前包括新加坡也好很多對於金融業稅他甚至是很低甚至是零所以\n我尊重你們最後的決定等會兒完全執政就要負責任但是這個會讓我們未來產業的發展、金融業的發展會不會更沒有彈性如果這是你正確的決定我尊重但是我覺得這個未來要變成打亞洲盃打世界盃的亞洲資產管理中心我認為挑戰是非常高的\n也跟委員報告當然這個部分我們也經過詳細的討論跟金管會第一個就是說我們目前銀行業保險整體稅負和國際比較起來並沒有比較好部長部長我尊重你們我就不再這個問題因為我後面我想問新清安的問題我只是要提醒你們你們後面打亞洲杯打世界杯亞洲資產管理中心你們的彈性可能就會越來越少接下來我還是要問新清安政策我也請金管會的副主委陳燕良副主委今天有來對不對\n部長那個我想這個會議齁你剛回應前一個委員賴昭偉你回應說不是打房是打草房打草房這件事情就是說房價上漲得太厲害我覺得合理的意志我尊重但是這第七波歷年來有史以來最高的打草房的政策是誰引起的是新清安政策引起的\n當時沒有思考清楚我們長久以來對於不合理的房價提升長期以來我們都有一定的政策在管制長期以來都有但是這一波是新金安政策當時沒有思考清楚所衍生的後果\n好,那後果已經產生不管各個工會、產業界都有不同版本建議進來我希望你們兩位都有看到兩個部會都有看到甚至央行都有看到但是我要提醒你們就是說現在很多民間當時在做一些商品的就是說貸款的同時包括公股銀行也是有一些甚至會要求說要加買一些保險所以這個部分\n我看到產業界有陳情就是說這個部分讓承貸戶的負擔更加嚴重那這一點到底公股銀行有沒有這樣的問題未來我們會不會做管理\n跟委員報告沒有這樣的一個問題有關房貸加稅你沒有聽說嗎就是房貸的同時要加買其他保險的商品衍生商品你沒有聽說這件事情嗎房貸的時候要買其他相關商品推薦明示暗示的方式\n購買無關的金融產品不能作為是否核准貸款的一個條件我當然知道但是你這個是官方的回答也有相關的規範部長你不要坐在辦公室裡面我提醒的是我聽到我也知道有這樣子的聲音有這樣問題在所以我提醒你我今天我是善意的提醒你不要把我的諮詢都當作我在我善意的提醒你有這麼一件事情所以\n作販賣同時無關緊要的金融商品要順便要買明示或暗示的方式貸款會更順利這個都加重他們的負擔一隻牛被八九存皮所以部長好好改進然後另外到底我們25年前我們講說那個不動產的放貸不得超過30%的上限\n這是30年前的你說銀行法的規定嗎?銀行法,對我們現在銀行投資的管道很多元投資買什麼東西很多元到底30%的上限有沒有檢討的必要性這是金管會的業務25年前\n到底那個比例怎麼樣分配是一個比較合理的方法跟方式其實銀行的投資面臨現在國際的挑戰\n國際金融的挑戰處處都有風險什麼是一個最合理的比例30%放在房貸的上限是25年前有沒有重新討論的必要性或者重新把所有的比例重新拿回來討論我覺得這是一個很重要的課題跟議題這次打房昨天是講到說因為打得快到28了放貸到28了我們不希望到28我們後面再來打可能會越打越重今晚會主委昨天是這麼講的所以我提醒你們\n就是說我覺得可以重新再檢討可以討論因為這畢竟是25年前的規範跟規定嘛\n副主委是謝謝委員那因為這是一個風險集中度的問題那我想我們回去都有風險什麼樣都有風險只是我覺得這是25年前的38放貸放在房貸放在比是不是一個合理有沒有重新把所有的比例再拿出來檢討還不只是房貸包括其他的投資都是我覺得可以重新再討論是這我也請銀行局把這個課題帶回去研究一個月之內給我答案是好謝謝委員\n謝謝理念委員接下來我們請王鴻薇委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.332 --> 00:29.845\n部長早好久不見了我今天其實好多個問題我們就快速的答案給我我先問一個很多民眾陳情的問題因為我關注到今年度其實你們有對於出國帶回的物品的免稅額有做一些調整那包括入境免稅額從兩萬條到三萬五你們的理由是說你們參考了物價的指數包括國民所得跟國際的物價等等\n\n00:31.086 --> 00:53.001\n這個政策看起來民眾其實也鼓掌較好因為其實免稅2萬塊一趟好不容易有機會出國買回來東西其實常常其實3萬塊3萬5好像好像好像很多人還跟我反映說3萬5其實也不是太足夠但是其實這是一個正確的方向我們就給你鼓勵但是\n\n00:54.022 --> 01:09.926\n我要提到的就是有關進口郵包的部分因為從疫情過後大家的習慣性很多人沒時間出國或者是出國的花費更多他們寧願購物的方式是用郵購的方式這在疫情之後大家培養的習慣那我們現在進口的郵包現在還是規範在新台幣2000塊\n\n01:16.727 --> 01:44.984\n那我稍微參考了一下國外的數字我們看一下後面兩張我們韓國進口的郵包他們免稅額是在4800塊台幣左右新加坡是9800香港進口是全部都免稅然後美國是定在25000台幣左右這個金額更高所以部長我們既然出國帶回來免稅品有調整其實我更認為\n\n01:46.465 --> 02:05.234\n其實2000塊郵包有時候我常在網路上購買一些韓國的美妝、化妝品其實2000塊常常一下子就超過了所以我認為這個政策其實應該有檢討的必要性部長你認為呢或署長可不可以直接回應我\n\n02:06.550 --> 02:33.683\n跟委員報告我們原來是3000塊在107年的時候調為2000塊那當然第一個考慮到其實現在什麼都漲了嘛全世界物價什麼都漲了嘛我們同時有考慮到國內電商平台業者還有進口業者還有相關製造業的一個租稅公平這個部分我們必須是要去考慮的然後同時也要避免這個濫用這個低價免稅制度的有討論當然但是我提到的就是說自然\n\n02:34.723 --> 02:40.268\n從國外貸還免稅品我們有提高我們過去也是3000塊後來我們調漲為2000但是現在考慮到同樣物價的指數國民所得國際的物價在這三個前提之下我們這個郵購的這個相關的一些物件喔免稅的額度其實也應該可以同時一併再做進一步的檢討\n\n02:58.505 --> 03:15.335\n也跟委員報告,謝謝委員這邊收集的相當完整的資料但我們所知,其實各國目前也有一些在檢討是不是要取消這樣的一個進口免稅額度這個部分我們覺得這個部分事實上要跟國際的趨勢必須要能夠接軌一次\n\n03:16.135 --> 03:37.686\n我同意接軌,那你現階段人家的金額我們都沒跟人家接軌所以部長我覺得這個可以儘快因為這個是民眾有感啊你們的政府都在講說民眾有感民眾有感我就提到說我接到了很多陳情在網路上大家的意見是這樣所以我希望部長可不可以在兩個月之內不管結果如何\n\n03:38.726 --> 03:41.228\n二個月之內提出一個報告結果給我,好不好?\n\n03:41.228 --> 03:59.725\n好的,好的,謝謝委員。好不好,研究了半年一年,馬上這一任要到還沒有結果。好,這是第一個問題。好,第二個問題是金融營業稅的部分方向。之前金管會的主委跟我回應說我們希望打亞洲盃打世界盃,包括我們雖然沒有機會\n\n04:01.247 --> 04:19.444\n在上一波成為亞洲的金融中心但是我們希望還是有機會在這個階段成為亞洲的資產管理中心可以兌現賴總統的政策到底我們營業稅的方向上個會期回應我說調整成2%或3%\n\n04:21.085 --> 04:34.223\n今年年底要做確定那年底時間也到了總是該有一個結果跟方向而且這個部分還涉及到後面的修法對不對那這個會期時間也不多所以部長到底方向是什麼到底是降為2%還是3%\n\n04:36.153 --> 05:00.396\n跟委員報告金融營業稅有關銀行跟保險本業的營業稅目前是5%好那因為這裡面有一個就是金融營業稅撥入金融業特別準備金到今年年底部長這個我都知道大家都知道你只要回答我到底是2%3%時間點目前沒有調整的規劃完全沒有調整的規劃目前沒有調整的規劃所以年底也不要修法目前沒有因為不需要修法\n\n05:02.153 --> 05:11.725\n所以還是維持5%維持5%那所有的稅款就改進入國庫那進入國庫以後當然我們會做國家監視這個是確定的方向是的\n\n05:14.135 --> 05:33.546\n我尊重但是我必須這是跨部會討論的結果我們有跟金管會做密切的溝通以及了解以及我們也做討論總統也知道這件事情嗎這個部分在我們編列預算的時候當然都會去討論明年可能的一些稅務的金額部長我提醒你們啦\n\n05:37.189 --> 05:58.842\n這件事牽涉到賴清德當時選舉的政策跟政見這也是當時他找彭金榮來的另外一個非常主要的原因他希望成為亞洲的資產管理中心世界上目前包括新加坡也好很多對於金融業稅他甚至是很低甚至是零所以\n\n05:59.582 --> 06:21.094\n我尊重你們最後的決定等會兒完全執政就要負責任但是這個會讓我們未來產業的發展、金融業的發展會不會更沒有彈性如果這是你正確的決定我尊重但是我覺得這個未來要變成打亞洲盃打世界盃的亞洲資產管理中心我認為挑戰是非常高的\n\n06:21.374 --> 06:48.994\n也跟委員報告當然這個部分我們也經過詳細的討論跟金管會第一個就是說我們目前銀行業保險整體稅負和國際比較起來並沒有比較好部長部長我尊重你們我就不再這個問題因為我後面我想問新清安的問題我只是要提醒你們你們後面打亞洲杯打世界杯亞洲資產管理中心你們的彈性可能就會越來越少接下來我還是要問新清安政策我也請金管會的副主委陳燕良副主委今天有來對不對\n\n06:51.155 --> 07:17.785\n部長那個我想這個會議齁你剛回應前一個委員賴昭偉你回應說不是打房是打草房打草房這件事情就是說房價上漲得太厲害我覺得合理的意志我尊重但是這第七波歷年來有史以來最高的打草房的政策是誰引起的是新清安政策引起的\n\n07:19.624 --> 07:35.541\n當時沒有思考清楚我們長久以來對於不合理的房價提升長期以來我們都有一定的政策在管制長期以來都有但是這一波是新金安政策當時沒有思考清楚所衍生的後果\n\n07:36.021 --> 08:02.959\n好,那後果已經產生不管各個工會、產業界都有不同版本建議進來我希望你們兩位都有看到兩個部會都有看到甚至央行都有看到但是我要提醒你們就是說現在很多民間當時在做一些商品的就是說貸款的同時包括公股銀行也是有一些甚至會要求說要加買一些保險所以這個部分\n\n08:03.619 --> 08:16.304\n我看到產業界有陳情就是說這個部分讓承貸戶的負擔更加嚴重那這一點到底公股銀行有沒有這樣的問題未來我們會不會做管理\n\n08:17.947 --> 08:24.391\n跟委員報告沒有這樣的一個問題有關房貸加稅你沒有聽說嗎就是房貸的同時要加買其他保險的商品衍生商品你沒有聽說這件事情嗎房貸的時候要買其他相關商品推薦明示暗示的方式\n\n08:37.098 --> 09:02.850\n購買無關的金融產品不能作為是否核准貸款的一個條件我當然知道但是你這個是官方的回答也有相關的規範部長你不要坐在辦公室裡面我提醒的是我聽到我也知道有這樣子的聲音有這樣問題在所以我提醒你我今天我是善意的提醒你不要把我的諮詢都當作我在我善意的提醒你有這麼一件事情所以\n\n09:03.810 --> 09:16.838\n作販賣同時無關緊要的金融商品要順便要買明示或暗示的方式貸款會更順利這個都加重他們的負擔一隻牛被八九存皮所以部長好好改進然後另外到底我們25年前我們講說那個不動產的放貸不得超過30%的上限\n\n09:30.821 --> 09:49.140\n這是30年前的你說銀行法的規定嗎?銀行法,對我們現在銀行投資的管道很多元投資買什麼東西很多元到底30%的上限有沒有檢討的必要性這是金管會的業務25年前\n\n09:53.392 --> 10:01.181\n到底那個比例怎麼樣分配是一個比較合理的方法跟方式其實銀行的投資面臨現在國際的挑戰\n\n10:03.935 --> 10:29.982\n國際金融的挑戰處處都有風險什麼是一個最合理的比例30%放在房貸的上限是25年前有沒有重新討論的必要性或者重新把所有的比例重新拿回來討論我覺得這是一個很重要的課題跟議題這次打房昨天是講到說因為打得快到28了放貸到28了我們不希望到28我們後面再來打可能會越打越重今晚會主委昨天是這麼講的所以我提醒你們\n\n10:32.463 --> 10:35.669\n就是說我覺得可以重新再檢討可以討論因為這畢竟是25年前的規範跟規定嘛\n\n10:42.318 --> 11:09.915\n副主委是謝謝委員那因為這是一個風險集中度的問題那我想我們回去都有風險什麼樣都有風險只是我覺得這是25年前的38放貸放在房貸放在比是不是一個合理有沒有重新把所有的比例再拿出來檢討還不只是房貸包括其他的投資都是我覺得可以重新再討論是這我也請銀行局把這個課題帶回去研究一個月之內給我答案是好謝謝委員\n\n11:11.937 --> 11:15.300\n謝謝理念委員接下來我們請王鴻薇委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":2.332,"end":29.845,"text":"部長早 好久不見了我今天其實好多個問題我們就快速的答案給我我先問一個很多民眾陳情的問題因為我關注到今年度其實你們有對於出國帶回的物品的免稅額有做一些調整那包括入境免稅額從兩萬條到三萬五你們的理由是說你們參考了物價的指數包括國民所得跟國際的物價等等"},{"start":31.086,"end":53.001,"text":"這個政策看起來民眾其實也鼓掌較好因為其實免稅2萬塊一趟好不容易有機會出國買回來東西其實常常其實3萬塊3萬5好像好像好像很多人還跟我反映說3萬5其實也不是太足夠但是其實這是一個正確的方向我們就給你鼓勵但是"},{"start":54.022,"end":69.926,"text":"我要提到的就是有關進口郵包的部分因為從疫情過後大家的習慣性很多人沒時間出國或者是出國的花費更多他們寧願購物的方式是用郵購的方式這在疫情之後大家培養的習慣那我們現在進口的郵包現在還是規範在新台幣2000塊"},{"start":76.727,"end":104.984,"text":"那我稍微參考了一下國外的數字我們看一下後面兩張我們韓國進口的郵包他們免稅額是在4800塊台幣左右新加坡是9800香港進口是全部都免稅然後美國是定在25000台幣左右這個金額更高所以部長我們既然出國帶回來免稅品有調整其實我更認為"},{"start":106.465,"end":125.234,"text":"其實2000塊郵包有時候我常在網路上購買一些韓國的美妝、化妝品其實2000塊常常一下子就超過了所以我認為這個政策其實應該有檢討的必要性部長你認為呢或署長可不可以直接回應我"},{"start":126.55,"end":153.683,"text":"跟委員報告我們原來是3000塊在107年的時候調為2000塊那當然第一個考慮到其實現在什麼都漲了嘛全世界物價什麼都漲了嘛我們同時有考慮到國內電商平台業者還有進口業者還有相關製造業的一個租稅公平這個部分我們必須是要去考慮的然後同時也要避免這個濫用這個低價免稅制度的有討論當然但是我提到的就是說自然"},{"start":154.723,"end":160.268,"text":"從國外貸還免稅品我們有提高我們過去也是3000塊後來我們調漲為2000但是現在考慮到同樣物價的指數國民所得國際的物價在這三個前提之下我們這個郵購的這個相關的一些物件喔免稅的額度其實也應該可以同時一併再做進一步的檢討"},{"start":178.505,"end":195.335,"text":"也跟委員報告,謝謝委員這邊收集的相當完整的資料但我們所知,其實各國目前也有一些在檢討是不是要取消這樣的一個進口免稅額度這個部分我們覺得這個部分事實上要跟國際的趨勢必須要能夠接軌一次"},{"start":196.135,"end":217.686,"text":"我同意接軌,那你現階段人家的金額我們都沒跟人家接軌所以部長我覺得這個可以儘快因為這個是民眾有感啊你們的政府都在講說民眾有感民眾有感我就提到說我接到了很多陳情在網路上大家的意見是這樣所以我希望部長可不可以在兩個月之內不管結果如何"},{"start":218.726,"end":221.228,"text":"二個月之內提出一個報告結果給我,好不好?"},{"start":221.228,"end":239.725,"text":"好的,好的,謝謝委員。好不好,研究了半年一年,馬上這一任要到還沒有結果。好,這是第一個問題。好,第二個問題是金融營業稅的部分方向。之前金管會的主委跟我回應說我們希望打亞洲盃打世界盃,包括我們雖然沒有機會"},{"start":241.247,"end":259.444,"text":"在上一波成為亞洲的金融中心但是我們希望還是有機會在這個階段成為亞洲的資產管理中心可以兌現賴總統的政策到底我們營業稅的方向上個會期回應我說調整成2%或3%"},{"start":261.085,"end":274.223,"text":"今年年底要做確定那年底時間也到了總是該有一個結果跟方向而且這個部分還涉及到後面的修法對不對那這個會期時間也不多所以部長到底方向是什麼到底是降為2%還是3%"},{"start":276.153,"end":300.396,"text":"跟委員報告金融營業稅有關銀行跟保險本業的營業稅目前是5%好那因為這裡面有一個就是金融營業稅撥入金融業特別準備金到今年年底部長這個我都知道大家都知道你只要回答我到底是2%3%時間點目前沒有調整的規劃完全沒有調整的規劃目前沒有調整的規劃所以年底也不要修法目前沒有因為不需要修法"},{"start":302.153,"end":311.725,"text":"所以還是維持5%維持5%那所有的稅款就改進入國庫那進入國庫以後當然我們會做國家監視這個是確定的方向是的"},{"start":314.135,"end":333.546,"text":"我尊重但是我必須這是跨部會討論的結果我們有跟金管會做密切的溝通以及了解以及我們也做討論總統也知道這件事情嗎這個部分在我們編列預算的時候當然都會去討論明年可能的一些稅務的金額部長我提醒你們啦"},{"start":337.189,"end":358.842,"text":"這件事牽涉到賴清德當時選舉的政策跟政見這也是當時他找彭金榮來的另外一個非常主要的原因他希望成為亞洲的資產管理中心世界上目前包括新加坡也好很多對於金融業稅他甚至是很低甚至是零所以"},{"start":359.582,"end":381.094,"text":"我尊重你們最後的決定等會兒完全執政就要負責任但是這個會讓我們未來產業的發展、金融業的發展會不會更沒有彈性如果這是你正確的決定我尊重但是我覺得這個未來要變成打亞洲盃打世界盃的亞洲資產管理中心我認為挑戰是非常高的"},{"start":381.374,"end":408.994,"text":"也跟委員報告當然這個部分我們也經過詳細的討論跟金管會第一個就是說我們目前銀行業保險整體稅負和國際比較起來並沒有比較好部長部長我尊重你們我就不再這個問題因為我後面我想問新清安的問題我只是要提醒你們你們後面打亞洲杯打世界杯亞洲資產管理中心你們的彈性可能就會越來越少接下來我還是要問新清安政策我也請金管會的副主委陳燕良副主委今天有來對不對"},{"start":411.155,"end":437.785,"text":"部長那個我想這個會議齁你剛回應前一個委員賴昭偉你回應說不是打房是打草房打草房這件事情就是說房價上漲得太厲害我覺得合理的意志我尊重但是這第七波歷年來有史以來最高的打草房的政策是誰引起的是新清安政策引起的"},{"start":439.624,"end":455.541,"text":"當時沒有思考清楚我們長久以來對於不合理的房價提升長期以來我們都有一定的政策在管制長期以來都有但是這一波是新金安政策當時沒有思考清楚所衍生的後果"},{"start":456.021,"end":482.959,"text":"好,那後果已經產生不管各個工會、產業界都有不同版本建議進來我希望你們兩位都有看到兩個部會都有看到甚至央行都有看到但是我要提醒你們就是說現在很多民間當時在做一些商品的就是說貸款的同時包括公股銀行也是有一些甚至會要求說要加買一些保險所以這個部分"},{"start":483.619,"end":496.304,"text":"我看到產業界有陳情就是說這個部分讓承貸戶的負擔更加嚴重那這一點到底公股銀行有沒有這樣的問題未來我們會不會做管理"},{"start":497.947,"end":504.391,"text":"跟委員報告沒有這樣的一個問題有關房貸加稅你沒有聽說嗎就是房貸的同時要加買其他保險的商品衍生商品你沒有聽說這件事情嗎房貸的時候要買其他相關商品推薦明示暗示的方式"},{"start":517.098,"end":542.85,"text":"購買無關的金融產品不能作為是否核准貸款的一個條件我當然知道但是你這個是官方的回答也有相關的規範部長你不要坐在辦公室裡面我提醒的是我聽到我也知道有這樣子的聲音有這樣問題在所以我提醒你我今天我是善意的提醒你不要把我的諮詢都當作我在我善意的提醒你有這麼一件事情所以"},{"start":543.81,"end":556.838,"text":"作販賣同時無關緊要的金融商品要順便要買明示或暗示的方式貸款會更順利這個都加重他們的負擔一隻牛被八九存皮所以部長好好改進然後另外到底我們25年前我們講說那個不動產的放貸不得超過30%的上限"},{"start":570.821,"end":589.14,"text":"這是30年前的你說銀行法的規定嗎?銀行法,對我們現在銀行投資的管道很多元投資買什麼東西很多元到底30%的上限有沒有檢討的必要性這是金管會的業務25年前"},{"start":593.392,"end":601.181,"text":"到底那個比例怎麼樣分配是一個比較合理的方法跟方式其實銀行的投資面臨現在國際的挑戰"},{"start":603.935,"end":629.982,"text":"國際金融的挑戰處處都有風險什麼是一個最合理的比例30%放在房貸的上限是25年前有沒有重新討論的必要性或者重新把所有的比例重新拿回來討論我覺得這是一個很重要的課題跟議題這次打房昨天是講到說因為打得快到28了放貸到28了我們不希望到28我們後面再來打可能會越打越重今晚會主委昨天是這麼講的所以我提醒你們"},{"start":632.463,"end":635.669,"text":"就是說我覺得可以重新再檢討可以討論因為這畢竟是25年前的規範跟規定嘛"},{"start":642.318,"end":669.915,"text":"副主委是謝謝委員那因為這是一個風險集中度的問題那我想我們回去都有風險什麼樣都有風險只是我覺得這是25年前的38放貸放在房貸放在比是不是一個合理有沒有重新把所有的比例再拿出來檢討還不只是房貸包括其他的投資都是我覺得可以重新再討論是這我也請銀行局把這個課題帶回去研究一個月之內給我答案是好謝謝委員"},{"start":671.937,"end":675.3,"text":"謝謝理念委員接下來我們請王鴻薇委員"}]}}},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"sessionTimes":2,"tmpMeeting":null,"committees":[20],"term":11,"id":"委員會-11-2-20-2","title":"第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議","type":"委員會"},"會議時間":"2024-10-16T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"10:29:22 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Tahovecahe等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(五)\t本院委員賴惠員等37人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】\n(六)\t本院委員林楚茵等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】\n(七)\t本院委員邱志偉等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n【10月16日及17日二天一次會】）","id":155532,"gazette":{"lineno":438,"blocks":[["李委員彥秀：（10時29分）謝謝召委。我請部長。","部長早，好久不見。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員好。"],["李委員彥秀：我今天有好多問題，你就快速的把答案給我。我先問一個很多民眾陳情的問題，因為我關注到今年度你們對於出國帶回的物品的免稅額有做一些調整，包括入境免稅額從兩萬調整到三萬五，你們的理由是你們參考了物價的指數，包括國民所得跟國際的物價等等。這個政策看起來，民眾也鼓掌叫好，因為免稅額兩萬塊，好不容易有機會出國一趟，買回來的東西常常三萬塊、三萬五，很多人還跟我反映好像三萬五其實也不是太足夠，但是這是一個正確的方向，我們就給你鼓勵。但是我要提到的就是有關進口郵包的部分，因為從疫情過後，大家的習慣性，很多人沒時間出國，或者是出國的花費更多，他們寧願購物的方式是用郵購的方式，這是在疫情之後大家培養的習慣。我們現在進口的郵包還是規範在新臺幣兩千塊，我稍微參考了一下國外的數字，韓國進口的郵包免稅額是在四千八百塊臺幣左右、新加坡是九千八，香港進口是全部都免稅，美國是訂在兩萬五臺幣左右，這個金額更高。","部長，我們既然出國帶回來的免稅品有調整，我更認為兩千塊郵包，有時候我常在網路上購買一些韓國的美妝、化妝品，其實兩千塊常常一下子就超過了，所以我認為這個政策應該有檢討的必要性。部長，你認為呢？或者署長可不可以直接回應我？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，我們原來是三千塊，在107年是有調為兩千塊，當然第一個考慮到……"],["李委員彥秀：其實現在什麼都漲了嘛！全世界物價什麼都漲了嘛！"],["莊部長翠雲：我們同時有考慮到國內電商、平臺業者，還有進口業者，還有相關製造業的租稅公平，這個部分我們必須要去考慮，同時也要避免濫用低價免稅制度而有逃漏稅的情形，這是我們要考慮的。"],["李委員彥秀：當然，但是我提到的是，既然從國外帶回來的免稅品有提高，我們過去也是三千塊，後來調整為兩千……"],["莊部長翠雲：那是旅客自帶進來的。"],["李委員彥秀：對，但是現在考慮到同樣物價的指數、國民所得、國際的物價，在這三個前提之下，郵購相關的一些物件，免稅的額度其實也應該可以同時一併再做進一步的檢討。"],["莊部長翠雲：也跟委員報告，謝謝委員這邊蒐集得相當完整的資料，但據我們所知，其實各國目前也有一些在檢討是不是要取消這樣的一個進口免稅額度，我們覺得這個部分事實上必須要能夠跟國際的趨勢接軌。"],["李委員彥秀：我同意接軌，但是現階段人家的金額，我們都沒跟人家接軌。部長，我覺得這個可以儘快，因為這個是民眾有感，你們的政府都在講民眾有感、民眾有感，我就提到我接到很多陳情，在網路上大家的意見是這樣，所以我希望部長可不可以在兩個月之內，不管結果如何，兩個月之內提出一個報告結果給我，好不好？"],["莊部長翠雲：好的，謝謝委員。"],["李委員彥秀：不要研究了半年、一年，馬上這一任要到，還沒有結果，這是第一個問題。"],["莊部長翠雲：好，謝謝委員。"],["李委員彥秀：第二個問題是金融營業稅的方向。之前金管會的主委跟我回應，我們希望打亞洲盃、打世界盃，包括我們雖然沒有機會在上一波成為亞洲的金融中心，但是我們希望還是有機會在這個階段成為亞洲的資產管理中心，可以兌現賴總統的政策。到底我們營業稅的方向為何？上個會期回應我說調整成2%或3%，今年年底要確定，年底時間也到了，總是該有一個結果跟方向，而且這個部分還涉及到後面的修法，這個會期時間也不多。部長，所以到底方向是什麼，到底是降為2%還是3%？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，金融營業稅有關銀行跟保險本業的營業稅，目前是5%，因為這裡面有一個就是金融營業稅撥入金融業特別準備金，到今年年底……"],["李委員彥秀：部長，這個我都知道，大家都知道。"],["莊部長翠雲：我先講清楚前面……"],["李委員彥秀：你只要回答我到底是2%、3%以及時間點。"],["莊部長翠雲：目前沒有調整的規劃。"],["李委員彥秀：完全沒有調整的規劃？"],["莊部長翠雲：目前沒有調整的規劃。"],["李委員彥秀：所以年底也不要修法？"],["莊部長翠雲：目前沒有，因為不需要修法。"],["李委員彥秀：所以還是維持5%？"],["莊部長翠雲：維持5%。所有的稅款就改進入國庫，進入國庫以後，當然我們會做國家建設……"],["李委員彥秀：部長，這是確定的方向？"],["莊部長翠雲：是的。"],["李委員彥秀：好，我尊重，但是我必須……","這是跨部會討論的結果？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們有跟金管會做密切的溝通以及了解，我們也做過討論……"],["李委員彥秀：卓榮泰也知道？總統也知道這件事情嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分在我們編列預算的時候，當然都會去討論明年可能的一些歲入金額。"],["李委員彥秀：部長，我提醒你們，跨部會的討論，很多東西不要只有兩個部會，這個事情牽涉到賴清德當時選舉的政策跟政見，這也是當時他找彭金隆來的另外一個非常主要的原因，他希望成為亞洲的資產管理中心，世界上目前包括新加坡也好，很多金融營業稅甚至很低，甚至是零，所以我尊重你們最後的決定……"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告……"],["李委員彥秀：反正完全執政就要負責任，但是這個讓我們未來產業的發展、金融業的發展會不會更沒有彈性？如果這個是你的決定，我尊重，但是我覺得未來要變成打亞洲盃、打世界盃的亞洲資產管理中心，我認為挑戰是非常高的。"],["莊部長翠雲：也跟委員報告，當然這個部分我們也跟金管會經過詳細的討論，第一個就是說，我們目前銀行業、保險業整體稅賦和國際比較起來並沒有比較高……"],["李委員彥秀：部長，我尊重你們……"],["莊部長翠雲：因為不能只看單一的稅，第二個部分……"],["李委員彥秀：我就不再問這個問題，因為後面我想問新青安的問題。"],["莊部長翠雲：好。"],["李委員彥秀：我只是要提醒你們，你們後面打亞洲盃、打世界盃、亞洲資產管理中心，你們的彈性可能就會越來越少。","接下來我還是要問新青安政策，我也請金管會的陳彥良副主委，金管會的副主委今天有來對不對？部長，你剛剛回應前一個委員賴召委說，不是打房，是打炒房！打炒房這件事情，就是說房價上漲得太厲害，我覺得合理的抑制我尊重，但是第七波──歷年來、有史以來最高的打炒房政策是誰引起的？是新青安政策引起的，當時沒有思考清楚。對於不合理的房價提升，長期以來我們都有一定的政策在管制，長期以來都有，但是這一波是新青安政策當時沒有思考清楚所衍生的後果，那後果已經產生，不管各個公會、產業界都有不同版本的建議進來，我希望你們兩位都有看到，兩個部會都有看到，甚至央行都有看到。但是我要提醒你們，現在很多民間當時在做一些商品，就是貸款的同時，包括公股銀行也是，有一些甚至會要求要加買一些保險。這個部分我看到產業界有陳情，說這個部分讓承貸戶的負擔更加嚴重，這一點到底公股銀行有沒有這樣的問題？未來我們會不會管理？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，沒有這樣的問題，有關房貸加……"],["李委員彥秀：你沒有聽說嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：當然我有看到報紙寫……"],["李委員彥秀：就是做房貸的同時，要加買其他保險的商品、衍生商品，你沒有聽說這件事情嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：房貸的時候，要買其他相關商品……"],["李委員彥秀：推薦、推薦，明示、暗示的方式，購買無關的金融產品。"],["莊部長翠雲：不能作為是否核准貸款的一個條件。"],["李委員彥秀：我當然知道，但是……"],["莊部長翠雲：另外，金管會也有訂相關的規範。"],["李委員彥秀：你這個是官方的回答，部長，你不要坐在辦公室裡面，我提醒的是，我聽到，我也知道有這樣子的聲音，有這樣的問題在，所以我提醒你，今天我是善意的提醒你，你不要把我的質詢都當作我在……我善意的提醒你有這麼一件事情，做房貸的同時，無關緊要的金融商品要順便買，用明示或暗示的方式，貸款會更順利，這個都加重他們的負擔。"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告……"],["李委員彥秀：一隻牛被扒9層皮。"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分我們已經提醒行庫不能這樣做。"],["李委員彥秀：好，所以部長……"],["莊部長翠雲：謝謝委員。"],["李委員彥秀：好好改進。然後另外，25年前我們說不動產的放貸不得超過30%的上限，這是30年前的。"],["莊部長翠雲：你說銀行法的規定嗎？"],["李委員彥秀：銀行法，對。現在銀行投資的管道很多元，投資、買什麼東西很多元，到底30%的上限有沒有檢討的必要性？這是金管會的業務。25年前，到底那個比例怎麼樣分配是比較合理的方法跟方式？其實銀行的投資面臨現在國際的挑戰、國際金融的挑戰，處處都有風險，什麼是最合理的比例?30%放在房貸的上限是25年前，有沒有重新討論的必要性，或者重新把所有的比例重新拿回來討論?我覺得這是一個很重要的課題跟議題。這次的打房，昨天是講到因為快到28%了，放貸到28%了，不希望到28%，我們後面再來打，可能會越打越重，金管會主委昨天是這麼講的，所以我提醒你們，我覺得可以重新再檢討、可以討論，因為這畢竟是25年前的規範跟規定，副主委。"],["陳副主任委員彥良：是，謝謝委員，因為這是一個風險集中度的問題，我想我們回去會……"],["李委員彥秀：都有風險，什麼樣都有風險，只是我覺得25年前的30%放貸比是不是合理？有沒有重新把所有的比例再拿出來檢討的必要？還不只是房貸，包括其他的投資都是，我覺得可以重新再討論。"],["陳副主任委員彥良：是，這我也請銀行局再做檢討。"],["李委員彥秀：把這個課題帶回去研究，一個月之內給我答案。"],["陳副主任委員彥良：是，好，謝謝委員。"],["李委員彥秀：謝謝。"],["莊部長翠雲：謝謝委員。"],["主席（賴委員惠員）：謝謝李彥秀委員。","接著我們請王鴻薇委員。主席在這裡報告：我們接著是李坤城委員質詢，李坤城委員質詢完以後，我們休息5分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":340,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-2","speakers":["賴惠員","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","李彥秀","王鴻薇","李坤城","黃珊珊","顏寬恒","王世堅","羅明才","邱志偉","陳培瑜","陳玉珍","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe"],"page_start":277,"meetingDate":["2024-10-16"],"gazette_id":"1138501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138501_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理（含各轉投資事業機構公\n股代表之董、監事）列席業務報告，並備質詢；二、審查「證券交易稅條例」5案：(一)行政院函\n請審議「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委員羅明才等20人\n擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等25人擬具「證券交\n易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等\n19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員邱志偉等19\n人擬具「證券交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1138501_00004"}}}