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00:00:43,592\n好部長委員好我想今天很多人談到這個海外蓋綠電廠這件事情那我覺得本意上看來應該是我們面對2030的綠能的一些需求包括2050的一個淨零碳排的一些壓力所以當然部長想各種更多元性的一些方案那各種可行性來整體來思考特別看到了包括挪威跟英國的例子包括新加坡跟澳洲的這樣一個例子部長起源點是不是從這邊來的\n\n3\n00:00:46,005 --> 00:01:02,670\n我想發想是從這兩個例子來發想的但是我們是一直是在這個所謂的民主同盟裡面的所謂的互相支援然後談到綠能因為會這個2050年地球的這個淨零減碳這樣一個大的目標\n\n4\n00:01:07,711 --> 00:01:36,490\n所以這個綠能啊就是在民主同盟國裡面大家互相支援討論這個是過去啊一直到現在那因為我有看到這兩個案子他說在那一天這個四百名夫他成立這個這個月泰這樣的一個智庫那討論的時候在我之前那麼這個日本的大使還有這個美國的大使都有提到這個民主同盟之間大家要互相的這個協助\n\n5\n00:01:37,891 --> 00:01:38,271\n這根本的問題是來自於不斷的要去\n\n6\n00:02:06,561 --> 00:02:30,886\n這個改善跟解決我們的綠能就是說我們其實遇到不管太陽光電風力甚至於這個很多的一些地方政府或者是一些民間的一些我們應該更有努力去克服掉這些困難這個其實才是一個更根本那當然很多多元的方案都必須做但我認為應該花更多力氣去建立一個好的制度好的方案那減少一些不必要一些的阻力不能讓綠能這一塊我認為這個應該是那至於像提到這個當然但是我想講就是說\n\n7\n00:02:35,868 --> 00:02:55,888\n其實這個企業家跟部長的角色其實是不太一樣的就企業家當然有很多的想法但部長的時候其實部長有想到你這兩天這樣的發言結果今天竟然報紙把你做了頭版同僚這一點我要這個以後要謹言慎行這個我有時候會忘記我\n\n8\n00:02:56,468 --> 00:03:23,945\n已經不是郭董事長了所以這一點我非常抱歉企業領袖有很多的意見但是部長統領這麼多的那你每出來以後他有可能就會形成一個認定可能是國家的政策所以他就會很大去處理那我剛剛也聽到了所以我想部長剛才提到這是一個發想一個想法但是我剛剛也聽到有很多的委員問到那部長說半年內要做出一個有一個\n\n9\n00:03:25,006 --> 00:03:31,797\n可行性評估我希望這些整體的那個啦那這個這樣會是由部裡面去做嗎還是\n\n10\n00:03:33,390 --> 00:03:56,762\n我們當然有很多方向包括其他的智庫大家都會去討論我還是要提醒部長這件事情擴設到了很多的部會不見得只有經濟部而已所以我既然部長已經講了半年內要出來那我們就看這個但我只是覺得很多事情其實恐怕是部長可以再思考的更清楚一些那個因為你有很多很堅強的幕僚團隊去協助你我認為這個會更\n\n11\n00:04:00,004 --> 00:04:25,365\n更成熟的狀況甚至於如果這些事情要提出來應該是在更成熟的狀況下來提出來比較國人跟整個各界比較能夠理解啦好的我再接下來問一下其實我相當關心問題大林埔遷村我反而覺得這些都是很重要的議題因為大林埔遷村不只涉及到人民的安全還有涉及到我們的一些產業地方產業的一些發展這反倒很重要啦那其實我們原先規劃的時間點其實在2023年\n\n12\n00:04:27,987 --> 00:04:28,788\n報告委員我可不可以請我們園館局來回答\n\n13\n00:04:57,255 --> 00:05:20,732\n時間有限,我只請部長回去把這件事情要盯緊因為他整個期程其實已經拖延了應該在去年,那現在包括要進入到二階的環平因為這個土地面積大你看第一次二階環平的時間點是2020年4月29號就開了這個將近四年前就開了但是到現在還沒有來完成\n\n14\n00:05:21,773 --> 00:05:35,538\n預估可能要一年到兩年的時間我希望這件事情也請部長跟這個環境部的部長也再溝通好不好這要加快他牽扯到國家的重大的一些建設我希望能夠在一年內完成這樣的環評的討論好嗎\n\n15\n00:05:36,778 --> 00:05:56,291\n我來跟這個環境部長來討論一下好那另外還有一個重要的事情是所有的鄉親我們在問那什麼時候開始來進行這些登記的一些程序我們看前面那個時間點本來到2023年就應該要完成這個工作就土地的取得啊包括一些相關的一坪換一坪這些那現在我是希望\n\n16\n00:05:58,212 --> 00:06:18,263\n這個經濟部加快他的速度在進行環評的同時的時候能不能同時間也啟動今年10月開始要進行環評的程序二階環評的程序了這已經拖延了那接下來我希望部長能不能回去也同步的跟經濟部的同仁的要求跟市府那邊也持續溝通能夠在今年的10月份\n\n17\n00:06:19,063 --> 00:06:47,494\n開始現在10月了今年底之前也同步啟動預登記的一個作業就是說讓人民先開始做選擇因為你若等到環評結束再進行後面的程序可能又一年兩年的時間過了又要再一年兩年然後會遙遙無期從合訂蘇院長合訂到現在已經經過5年了人民其實連這次颱風過後到底要不要修繕他們都有很大的壓力那我一定說能不能兩件事情同步來進行讓整個環評程序在走之後同時間預登記也進行讓老百姓知道說\n\n18\n00:06:48,234 --> 00:06:49,714\n部長可不可以承諾我在今年底之前開始進行預登記這樣的作業好嗎?\n\n19\n00:07:17,554 --> 00:07:41,470\n可以嗎部長現在我想這個登記的作業是委託高雄市政府在進行我希望部長跟高雄市一起來完成這整件事情這件事情是經濟部主要的工作高雄市政府是受你們所委託的主導權在你們身上啦好不好我希望這件事情部長朝這個方向今年年底前來進行預登記讓老百姓可以開始來進行選擇好嗎\n\n20\n00:07:42,530 --> 00:08:03,550\n我們會一起努力啦,我們跟高雄市政府一起努力來進行部長我希望要全力的朝這個方向,那也希望部長多花點時間處理這件事情是,謝謝那另外我想要問一下雅灣的那個,上次有提到AMD的部分也很謝謝部長的支持,到台南到高雄但是高雄也原先要設置一個研發的據點,那現在的進度到哪邊,部長知道嗎?\n\n21\n00:08:05,672 --> 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委員好我想今天很多人談到這個海外蓋綠電廠這件事情那我覺得本意上看來應該是我們面對2030的綠能的一些需求包括2050的一個淨零碳排的一些壓力所以當然部長想各種更多元性的一些方案那各種可行性來整體來思考特別看到了包括挪威跟英國的例子包括新加坡跟澳洲的這樣一個例子部長起源點是不是從這邊來的\n我想發想是從這兩個例子來發想的但是我們是一直是在這個所謂的民主同盟裡面的所謂的互相支援然後談到綠能因為會這個2050年地球的這個淨零減碳這樣一個大的目標\n所以這個綠能啊就是在民主同盟國裡面大家互相支援討論這個是過去啊一直到現在那因為我有看到這兩個案子他說在那一天這個四百名夫他成立這個這個月泰這樣的一個智庫那討論的時候在我之前那麼這個日本的大使還有這個美國的大使都有提到這個民主同盟之間大家要互相的這個協助\n這根本的問題是來自於不斷的要去\n這個改善跟解決我們的綠能就是說我們其實遇到不管太陽光電風力甚至於這個很多的一些地方政府或者是一些民間的一些我們應該更有努力去克服掉這些困難這個其實才是一個更根本那當然很多多元的方案都必須做但我認為應該花更多力氣去建立一個好的制度好的方案那減少一些不必要一些的阻力不能讓綠能這一塊我認為這個應該是那至於像提到這個當然但是我想講就是說\n其實這個企業家跟部長的角色其實是不太一樣的就企業家當然有很多的想法但部長的時候其實部長有想到你這兩天這樣的發言結果今天竟然報紙把你做了頭版同僚這一點我要這個以後要謹言慎行這個我有時候會忘記我\n已經不是郭董事長了所以這一點我非常抱歉企業領袖有很多的意見但是部長統領這麼多的那你每出來以後他有可能就會形成一個認定可能是國家的政策所以他就會很大去處理那我剛剛也聽到了所以我想部長剛才提到這是一個發想一個想法但是我剛剛也聽到有很多的委員問到那部長說半年內要做出一個有一個\n可行性評估我希望這些整體的那個啦那這個這樣會是由部裡面去做嗎還是\n我們當然有很多方向包括其他的智庫大家都會去討論我還是要提醒部長這件事情擴設到了很多的部會不見得只有經濟部而已所以我既然部長已經講了半年內要出來那我們就看這個但我只是覺得很多事情其實恐怕是部長可以再思考的更清楚一些那個因為你有很多很堅強的幕僚團隊去協助你我認為這個會更\n更成熟的狀況甚至於如果這些事情要提出來應該是在更成熟的狀況下來提出來比較國人跟整個各界比較能夠理解啦好的我再接下來問一下其實我相當關心問題大林埔遷村我反而覺得這些都是很重要的議題因為大林埔遷村不只涉及到人民的安全還有涉及到我們的一些產業地方產業的一些發展這反倒很重要啦那其實我們原先規劃的時間點其實在2023年\n報告委員我可不可以請我們園館局來回答\n時間有限,我只請部長回去把這件事情要盯緊因為他整個期程其實已經拖延了應該在去年,那現在包括要進入到二階的環平因為這個土地面積大你看第一次二階環平的時間點是2020年4月29號就開了這個將近四年前就開了但是到現在還沒有來完成\n預估可能要一年到兩年的時間我希望這件事情也請部長跟這個環境部的部長也再溝通好不好這要加快他牽扯到國家的重大的一些建設我希望能夠在一年內完成這樣的環評的討論好嗎\n我來跟這個環境部長來討論一下好那另外還有一個重要的事情是所有的鄉親我們在問那什麼時候開始來進行這些登記的一些程序我們看前面那個時間點本來到2023年就應該要完成這個工作就土地的取得啊包括一些相關的一坪換一坪這些那現在我是希望\n這個經濟部加快他的速度在進行環評的同時的時候能不能同時間也啟動今年10月開始要進行環評的程序二階環評的程序了這已經拖延了那接下來我希望部長能不能回去也同步的跟經濟部的同仁的要求跟市府那邊也持續溝通能夠在今年的10月份\n開始現在10月了今年底之前也同步啟動預登記的一個作業就是說讓人民先開始做選擇因為你若等到環評結束再進行後面的程序可能又一年兩年的時間過了又要再一年兩年然後會遙遙無期從合訂蘇院長合訂到現在已經經過5年了人民其實連這次颱風過後到底要不要修繕他們都有很大的壓力那我一定說能不能兩件事情同步來進行讓整個環評程序在走之後同時間預登記也進行讓老百姓知道說\n部長可不可以承諾我在今年底之前開始進行預登記這樣的作業好嗎?\n可以嗎部長現在我想這個登記的作業是委託高雄市政府在進行我希望部長跟高雄市一起來完成這整件事情這件事情是經濟部主要的工作高雄市政府是受你們所委託的主導權在你們身上啦好不好我希望這件事情部長朝這個方向今年年底前來進行預登記讓老百姓可以開始來進行選擇好嗎\n我們會一起努力啦,我們跟高雄市政府一起努力來進行部長我希望要全力的朝這個方向,那也希望部長多花點時間處理這件事情是,謝謝那另外我想要問一下雅灣的那個,上次有提到AMD的部分也很謝謝部長的支持,到台南到高雄但是高雄也原先要設置一個研發的據點,那現在的進度到哪邊,部長知道嗎?\nAMP的部分我想他有他們公司的這個進度啦這個是我們的這個跟我們的這個大A計畫在進行我想他目前沒有非常具體的時間但是他一定會進去\n他主要跟中山大學有合作嘛那這西光子計畫我想應該是有在進行AMD一定會進駐高雄嘛這個是確定的那至於騎乘的部分也請部長再大力協助啦好不好讓AMD進駐高雄這件事情能加快他的騎乘包括研發據點研發中心等等希望能夠加快他目前是跟中山大學一起合作西光子那希望加快他的騎乘好嗎是好謝謝部長謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.273 --> 00:05.475\n郭文貴議員\n\n00:14.755 --> 00:43.592\n好部長委員好我想今天很多人談到這個海外蓋綠電廠這件事情那我覺得本意上看來應該是我們面對2030的綠能的一些需求包括2050的一個淨零碳排的一些壓力所以當然部長想各種更多元性的一些方案那各種可行性來整體來思考特別看到了包括挪威跟英國的例子包括新加坡跟澳洲的這樣一個例子部長起源點是不是從這邊來的\n\n00:46.005 --> 01:02.670\n我想發想是從這兩個例子來發想的但是我們是一直是在這個所謂的民主同盟裡面的所謂的互相支援然後談到綠能因為會這個2050年地球的這個淨零減碳這樣一個大的目標\n\n01:07.711 --> 01:36.490\n所以這個綠能啊就是在民主同盟國裡面大家互相支援討論這個是過去啊一直到現在那因為我有看到這兩個案子他說在那一天這個四百名夫他成立這個這個月泰這樣的一個智庫那討論的時候在我之前那麼這個日本的大使還有這個美國的大使都有提到這個民主同盟之間大家要互相的這個協助\n\n01:37.891 --> 01:38.271\n這根本的問題是來自於不斷的要去\n\n02:06.561 --> 02:30.886\n這個改善跟解決我們的綠能就是說我們其實遇到不管太陽光電風力甚至於這個很多的一些地方政府或者是一些民間的一些我們應該更有努力去克服掉這些困難這個其實才是一個更根本那當然很多多元的方案都必須做但我認為應該花更多力氣去建立一個好的制度好的方案那減少一些不必要一些的阻力不能讓綠能這一塊我認為這個應該是那至於像提到這個當然但是我想講就是說\n\n02:35.868 --> 02:55.888\n其實這個企業家跟部長的角色其實是不太一樣的就企業家當然有很多的想法但部長的時候其實部長有想到你這兩天這樣的發言結果今天竟然報紙把你做了頭版同僚這一點我要這個以後要謹言慎行這個我有時候會忘記我\n\n02:56.468 --> 03:23.945\n已經不是郭董事長了所以這一點我非常抱歉企業領袖有很多的意見但是部長統領這麼多的那你每出來以後他有可能就會形成一個認定可能是國家的政策所以他就會很大去處理那我剛剛也聽到了所以我想部長剛才提到這是一個發想一個想法但是我剛剛也聽到有很多的委員問到那部長說半年內要做出一個有一個\n\n03:25.006 --> 03:31.797\n可行性評估我希望這些整體的那個啦那這個這樣會是由部裡面去做嗎還是\n\n03:33.390 --> 03:56.762\n我們當然有很多方向包括其他的智庫大家都會去討論我還是要提醒部長這件事情擴設到了很多的部會不見得只有經濟部而已所以我既然部長已經講了半年內要出來那我們就看這個但我只是覺得很多事情其實恐怕是部長可以再思考的更清楚一些那個因為你有很多很堅強的幕僚團隊去協助你我認為這個會更\n\n04:00.004 --> 04:25.365\n更成熟的狀況甚至於如果這些事情要提出來應該是在更成熟的狀況下來提出來比較國人跟整個各界比較能夠理解啦好的我再接下來問一下其實我相當關心問題大林埔遷村我反而覺得這些都是很重要的議題因為大林埔遷村不只涉及到人民的安全還有涉及到我們的一些產業地方產業的一些發展這反倒很重要啦那其實我們原先規劃的時間點其實在2023年\n\n04:27.987 --> 04:28.788\n報告委員我可不可以請我們園館局來回答\n\n04:57.255 --> 05:20.732\n時間有限,我只請部長回去把這件事情要盯緊因為他整個期程其實已經拖延了應該在去年,那現在包括要進入到二階的環平因為這個土地面積大你看第一次二階環平的時間點是2020年4月29號就開了這個將近四年前就開了但是到現在還沒有來完成\n\n05:21.773 --> 05:35.538\n預估可能要一年到兩年的時間我希望這件事情也請部長跟這個環境部的部長也再溝通好不好這要加快他牽扯到國家的重大的一些建設我希望能夠在一年內完成這樣的環評的討論好嗎\n\n05:36.778 --> 05:56.291\n我來跟這個環境部長來討論一下好那另外還有一個重要的事情是所有的鄉親我們在問那什麼時候開始來進行這些登記的一些程序我們看前面那個時間點本來到2023年就應該要完成這個工作就土地的取得啊包括一些相關的一坪換一坪這些那現在我是希望\n\n05:58.212 --> 06:18.263\n這個經濟部加快他的速度在進行環評的同時的時候能不能同時間也啟動今年10月開始要進行環評的程序二階環評的程序了這已經拖延了那接下來我希望部長能不能回去也同步的跟經濟部的同仁的要求跟市府那邊也持續溝通能夠在今年的10月份\n\n06:19.063 --> 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