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00:00:37,620\n好謝謝主席黃委員長是原系剛剛馬文堅所提的就是例件A跟例件B那根據在107年的路透社裡面已經有報導出來那我在10月8號我在國安總諮詢的時候我特別有諮詢我們的主委院長包含國防部的顧立雄部長特別提到\n\n3\n00:00:40,014 --> 00:00:42,335\n在我們的雙十國慶的晚宴晚會當時的主播論延遲到我們10月10號\n\n4\n00:00:51,840 --> 00:01:10,245\n我特別提到說對岸不是沒有動作只看我們10月10號是不是我們賴總統又提了新的兩國論果不其然引起了這樣的一個震驚跟震撼那最後最後\n\n5\n00:01:12,153 --> 00:01:29,148\n所以他們在前天就有大動作來這樣的一個還台我想不管是歷屆A或者歷屆B未來的歷屆C可能會產生的對我們國安對我們整個的國家\n\n6\n00:01:32,370 --> 00:01:46,616\n所以這樣的一個很多的消息是不是你們高層國安高層洩露出來的秘密還是怎麼樣讓我們國內造成不安局長你回答\n\n7\n00:01:47,136 --> 00:01:47,496\n蔡英文議員\n\n8\n00:02:17,156 --> 00:02:17,396\n關於東亞的局勢\n\n9\n00:02:35,832 --> 00:02:58,793\n你報告裡面是提了以哈戰事反而真正在東亞東亞發生的衝突的結果沒有提到你這邊的裡面的報告目前朝鮮半島對我們台海的趨勢本來有關聯性前三天都已經發生這樣這麼重大的一個兩韓之間北韓跟南韓之間的衝突\n\n10\n00:03:00,374 --> 00:03:20,302\n所以這個發生裡面都已經產生對我們國內對極大台海的局勢那另外就是我們今天我們講一個共機發動聯合力建2024的經驗以朝鮮半島的局勢升高時機很巧妙\n\n11\n00:03:20,982 --> 00:03:48,351\n那局長認為這只是一個巧合還是中共跟北韓已經有互通的消息你來回答一下社委委員提到朝鮮半島的安全情勢那事實上朝鮮半島安全情勢的升溫大概在去年的下半年8月以後它的狀況就有比較升溫那主要的原因是在當時因為美日韓的峰會對於朝鮮半島風險的控管有達成了美日韓高層的一個\n\n12\n00:03:49,031 --> 00:03:49,771\n有些寫者有寫者指出\n\n13\n00:04:09,261 --> 00:04:30,648\n中共利用朝鮮半島趨勢升溫的時間點進行了軍演目的是要在測試美軍有無能力同時應對朝鮮半島及台海兩格危機因此顯然中共的目標主要在區域據上中共認為一旦\n\n14\n00:04:31,368 --> 00:04:39,075\n能夠達成聚職．就能順利武統台灣．局長嚴判認為這樣的說法有沒有正確．因為這是學者說的．\n\n15\n00:04:44,895 --> 00:05:14,230\n這是一種學者的說法我們當然會尊重也會參考但實際的狀況事實上根文說明的是最近這一段期間北韓跟俄國的關係是積極的在改善跟加強當中那反倒是中共跟北韓的關係是處在一個比較低潮的狀態那我們從雙方互動往來的成績以及北韓也對中共來進行相關的一個批評那還有中共也在管制北韓的物品到中國大陸來所以我們整體來分析就情資的角度來看\n\n16\n00:05:14,710 --> 00:05:43,925\n那朝二的關係再加強但中朝的關係現在是處在比較低潮的狀況因為路透社所報導的你們應該都已經掌控但是高層裡面放消息你們也應該知道所以不是因為他們在開始還台、圍台的時候你們才緊急的國安會議包含總統召集所有的各單位裡面緊急的會議應該你們在之前就應該掌控\n\n17\n00:05:44,525 --> 00:06:03,831\n而且要對國人對外在台海局勢的一個狀況裡面要如何來安撫我們國人要不然的話又是一個緊張其次台海之間的一個關係那另外就是我特別講的是\n\n18\n00:06:05,371 --> 00:06:32,477\n台海跟朝鮮本來就是全球的一個火藥庫所以我們這個部分我們特別要國安局要掌握這個消息的第一手消息因為我常常提到對岸有任何動作我們國安本來就是優先的而不是要透過了媒體爆料甚至你們高層的爆料所以我想剛剛我提到是希望你們提供這個資料給我那另外一次來我\n\n19\n00:06:33,757 --> 00:07:02,000\n我想請教一下我們的海巡署這一次的聯合歷艦B演習在內中共不斷強化其海警與軍隊聯合作戰的能力本席過去執行過多次提到觀察中共歷史的演習他們每一次都會有新的演練的項目那花招越來越多\n\n20\n00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:29,560\n那逼迫越來越緊今年的2月中共海警曾經在金門南下了我們觀光船登船臨檢盤查過去中共海警主要在外島這一次已經到了本島周邊驗證要港要港的封控的能力這一次的傳輸剛剛他你們一直提到假消息假消息\n\n21\n00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:52,614\n今天傳出了中友的LNG船液化天然氣運輸船台達二號因共經演習掉頭反而這個方向的驅離那這個你們中友有特別有這個新聞稿裡面也澄清是因為港區無毛破\n\n22\n00:07:53,855 --> 00:08:14,774\n去供該船的停泊請問一下有這麼巧的事情這是你們自己資源取收還是你們自己本身掌握的情報不足你們現在海巡署要特別特別注意到因為你們是海巡治安單位最高的單位你來回答一下好不好\n\n23\n00:08:16,063 --> 00:08:36,777\n各位報告那因為這個LNG船的部分是這個經濟部跟外電已經有發布宣告澄清那沒有這一個事情那另外海巡署在應對中國公務船部門主要是應對海警船跟相關的公務船那軍艦部分是由國防部來處理\n\n24\n00:08:38,257 --> 00:09:00,849\n這次演習沒有進到我們24海里雖然它動用的海警船高達12艘但是沒有進到我們12海里那只要它一進到我們12海里我們是採一艦一艇的方式來對應並航監控那只要進到我們會做驅離跟必要的手段那這部分我們海軍署完全可以掌握這個海面的狀況跟委員報告\n\n25\n00:09:03,428 --> 00:09:28,735\n我現在提一個方向中共海潛船執行的是屬於內政行為那內政行為的執法若我國無法有所應對等同默認中共建立於內政程序對台的新常態海巡署是我國海洋巡訪的治安單位對於中共打算建立的新常態有什麼樣的應對\n\n26\n00:09:29,796 --> 00:09:46,372\n如果下次再發生不管今天他是利建碑未來可能引進到利建西他們在一弄一國際法的這樣的一個戰略的一個名稱你來回答一下\n\n27\n00:09:47,202 --> 00:10:16,711\n跟委員報告那只要中共的海警船進到我們24海里他來所謂的執法事實上他不是執法這已經是一個騷擾行為侵擾行為那我們會用最嚴正的這一個部署然後來去加以去理那這邊要特別跟委員報告我們海巡組對維護我國海權海疆的權益是不遺餘力的我們堅定我們的立場絕對不會讓中共進到24海里\n\n28\n00:10:18,032 --> 00:10:38,633\n另外這樣子啦幫主席給我一分鐘我們先講一個如果未來中共以殘害性阻擾了LNG的運輸船那將是危害我國能源安全法那你們如果這樣的一個應對有什麼樣的一個應對能力\n\n29\n00:10:40,970 --> 00:11:03,640\n跟委員報告只要中共的公務船舶進到24海裏海巡署會不惜一切手段拒止在24海裏不會讓中共的公務船舶進到我們24海裏不要再找一個理由說又是一個沒有提供停泊的一個地方再找這樣的一個理由好不好跟委員報告那是一個錯假訊息謝謝黃仁委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n447\t3767\t有請謝謝主席有請局長來蔡局長請\n10453\t37620\t好謝謝主席黃委員長是原系剛剛馬文堅所提的就是例件A跟例件B那根據在107年的路透社裡面已經有報導出來那我在10月8號我在國安總諮詢的時候我特別有諮詢我們的主委院長包含國防部的顧立雄部長特別提到\n40014\t42335\t在我們的雙十國慶的晚宴晚會當時的主播論延遲到我們10月10號\n51840\t70245\t我特別提到說對岸不是沒有動作只看我們10月10號是不是我們賴總統又提了新的兩國論果不其然引起了這樣的一個震驚跟震撼那最後最後\n72153\t89148\t所以他們在前天就有大動作來這樣的一個還台我想不管是歷屆A或者歷屆B未來的歷屆C可能會產生的對我們國安對我們整個的國家\n92370\t106616\t所以這樣的一個很多的消息是不是你們高層國安高層洩露出來的秘密還是怎麼樣讓我們國內造成不安局長你回答\n107136\t107496\t蔡英文議員\n137156\t137396\t關於東亞的局勢\n155832\t178793\t你報告裡面是提了以哈戰事反而真正在東亞東亞發生的衝突的結果沒有提到你這邊的裡面的報告目前朝鮮半島對我們台海的趨勢本來有關聯性前三天都已經發生這樣這麼重大的一個兩韓之間北韓跟南韓之間的衝突\n180374\t200302\t所以這個發生裡面都已經產生對我們國內對極大台海的局勢那另外就是我們今天我們講一個共機發動聯合力建2024的經驗以朝鮮半島的局勢升高時機很巧妙\n200982\t228351\t那局長認為這只是一個巧合還是中共跟北韓已經有互通的消息你來回答一下社委委員提到朝鮮半島的安全情勢那事實上朝鮮半島安全情勢的升溫大概在去年的下半年8月以後它的狀況就有比較升溫那主要的原因是在當時因為美日韓的峰會對於朝鮮半島風險的控管有達成了美日韓高層的一個\n229031\t229771\t有些寫者有寫者指出\n249261\t270648\t中共利用朝鮮半島趨勢升溫的時間點進行了軍演目的是要在測試美軍有無能力同時應對朝鮮半島及台海兩格危機因此顯然中共的目標主要在區域據上中共認為一旦\n271368\t279075\t能夠達成聚職．就能順利武統台灣．局長嚴判認為這樣的說法有沒有正確．因為這是學者說的．\n284895\t314230\t這是一種學者的說法我們當然會尊重也會參考但實際的狀況事實上根文說明的是最近這一段期間北韓跟俄國的關係是積極的在改善跟加強當中那反倒是中共跟北韓的關係是處在一個比較低潮的狀態那我們從雙方互動往來的成績以及北韓也對中共來進行相關的一個批評那還有中共也在管制北韓的物品到中國大陸來所以我們整體來分析就情資的角度來看\n314710\t343925\t那朝二的關係再加強但中朝的關係現在是處在比較低潮的狀況因為路透社所報導的你們應該都已經掌控但是高層裡面放消息你們也應該知道所以不是因為他們在開始還台、圍台的時候你們才緊急的國安會議包含總統召集所有的各單位裡面緊急的會議應該你們在之前就應該掌控\n344525\t363831\t而且要對國人對外在台海局勢的一個狀況裡面要如何來安撫我們國人要不然的話又是一個緊張其次台海之間的一個關係那另外就是我特別講的是\n365371\t392477\t台海跟朝鮮本來就是全球的一個火藥庫所以我們這個部分我們特別要國安局要掌握這個消息的第一手消息因為我常常提到對岸有任何動作我們國安本來就是優先的而不是要透過了媒體爆料甚至你們高層的爆料所以我想剛剛我提到是希望你們提供這個資料給我那另外一次來我\n393757\t422000\t我想請教一下我們的海巡署這一次的聯合歷艦B演習在內中共不斷強化其海警與軍隊聯合作戰的能力本席過去執行過多次提到觀察中共歷史的演習他們每一次都會有新的演練的項目那花招越來越多\n422580\t449560\t那逼迫越來越緊今年的2月中共海警曾經在金門南下了我們觀光船登船臨檢盤查過去中共海警主要在外島這一次已經到了本島周邊驗證要港要港的封控的能力這一次的傳輸剛剛他你們一直提到假消息假消息\n450160\t472614\t今天傳出了中友的LNG船液化天然氣運輸船台達二號因共經演習掉頭反而這個方向的驅離那這個你們中友有特別有這個新聞稿裡面也澄清是因為港區無毛破\n473855\t494774\t去供該船的停泊請問一下有這麼巧的事情這是你們自己資源取收還是你們自己本身掌握的情報不足你們現在海巡署要特別特別注意到因為你們是海巡治安單位最高的單位你來回答一下好不好\n496063\t516777\t各位報告那因為這個LNG船的部分是這個經濟部跟外電已經有發布宣告澄清那沒有這一個事情那另外海巡署在應對中國公務船部門主要是應對海警船跟相關的公務船那軍艦部分是由國防部來處理\n518257\t540849\t這次演習沒有進到我們24海里雖然它動用的海警船高達12艘但是沒有進到我們12海里那只要它一進到我們12海里我們是採一艦一艇的方式來對應並航監控那只要進到我們會做驅離跟必要的手段那這部分我們海軍署完全可以掌握這個海面的狀況跟委員報告\n543428\t568735\t我現在提一個方向中共海潛船執行的是屬於內政行為那內政行為的執法若我國無法有所應對等同默認中共建立於內政程序對台的新常態海巡署是我國海洋巡訪的治安單位對於中共打算建立的新常態有什麼樣的應對\n569796\t586372\t如果下次再發生不管今天他是利建碑未來可能引進到利建西他們在一弄一國際法的這樣的一個戰略的一個名稱你來回答一下\n587202\t616711\t跟委員報告那只要中共的海警船進到我們24海里他來所謂的執法事實上他不是執法這已經是一個騷擾行為侵擾行為那我們會用最嚴正的這一個部署然後來去加以去理那這邊要特別跟委員報告我們海巡組對維護我國海權海疆的權益是不遺餘力的我們堅定我們的立場絕對不會讓中共進到24海里\n618032\t638633\t另外這樣子啦 幫主席給我一分鐘我們先講一個如果未來中共以殘害性阻擾了LNG的運輸船那將是危害我國能源安全法那你們如果這樣的一個應對有什麼樣的一個應對能力\n640970\t663640\t跟委員報告只要中共的公務船舶進到24海裏海巡署會不惜一切手段拒止在24海裏不會讓中共的公務船舶進到我們24海裏不要再找一個理由說又是一個沒有提供停泊的一個地方再找這樣的一個理由好不好跟委員報告那是一個錯假訊息謝謝黃仁委員\n","txt":"有請謝謝主席有請局長來蔡局長請\n好謝謝主席黃委員長是原系剛剛馬文堅所提的就是例件A跟例件B那根據在107年的路透社裡面已經有報導出來那我在10月8號我在國安總諮詢的時候我特別有諮詢我們的主委院長包含國防部的顧立雄部長特別提到\n在我們的雙十國慶的晚宴晚會當時的主播論延遲到我們10月10號\n我特別提到說對岸不是沒有動作只看我們10月10號是不是我們賴總統又提了新的兩國論果不其然引起了這樣的一個震驚跟震撼那最後最後\n所以他們在前天就有大動作來這樣的一個還台我想不管是歷屆A或者歷屆B未來的歷屆C可能會產生的對我們國安對我們整個的國家\n所以這樣的一個很多的消息是不是你們高層國安高層洩露出來的秘密還是怎麼樣讓我們國內造成不安局長你回答\n蔡英文議員\n關於東亞的局勢\n你報告裡面是提了以哈戰事反而真正在東亞東亞發生的衝突的結果沒有提到你這邊的裡面的報告目前朝鮮半島對我們台海的趨勢本來有關聯性前三天都已經發生這樣這麼重大的一個兩韓之間北韓跟南韓之間的衝突\n所以這個發生裡面都已經產生對我們國內對極大台海的局勢那另外就是我們今天我們講一個共機發動聯合力建2024的經驗以朝鮮半島的局勢升高時機很巧妙\n那局長認為這只是一個巧合還是中共跟北韓已經有互通的消息你來回答一下社委委員提到朝鮮半島的安全情勢那事實上朝鮮半島安全情勢的升溫大概在去年的下半年8月以後它的狀況就有比較升溫那主要的原因是在當時因為美日韓的峰會對於朝鮮半島風險的控管有達成了美日韓高層的一個\n有些寫者有寫者指出\n中共利用朝鮮半島趨勢升溫的時間點進行了軍演目的是要在測試美軍有無能力同時應對朝鮮半島及台海兩格危機因此顯然中共的目標主要在區域據上中共認為一旦\n能夠達成聚職．就能順利武統台灣．局長嚴判認為這樣的說法有沒有正確．因為這是學者說的．\n這是一種學者的說法我們當然會尊重也會參考但實際的狀況事實上根文說明的是最近這一段期間北韓跟俄國的關係是積極的在改善跟加強當中那反倒是中共跟北韓的關係是處在一個比較低潮的狀態那我們從雙方互動往來的成績以及北韓也對中共來進行相關的一個批評那還有中共也在管制北韓的物品到中國大陸來所以我們整體來分析就情資的角度來看\n那朝二的關係再加強但中朝的關係現在是處在比較低潮的狀況因為路透社所報導的你們應該都已經掌控但是高層裡面放消息你們也應該知道所以不是因為他們在開始還台、圍台的時候你們才緊急的國安會議包含總統召集所有的各單位裡面緊急的會議應該你們在之前就應該掌控\n而且要對國人對外在台海局勢的一個狀況裡面要如何來安撫我們國人要不然的話又是一個緊張其次台海之間的一個關係那另外就是我特別講的是\n台海跟朝鮮本來就是全球的一個火藥庫所以我們這個部分我們特別要國安局要掌握這個消息的第一手消息因為我常常提到對岸有任何動作我們國安本來就是優先的而不是要透過了媒體爆料甚至你們高層的爆料所以我想剛剛我提到是希望你們提供這個資料給我那另外一次來我\n我想請教一下我們的海巡署這一次的聯合歷艦B演習在內中共不斷強化其海警與軍隊聯合作戰的能力本席過去執行過多次提到觀察中共歷史的演習他們每一次都會有新的演練的項目那花招越來越多\n那逼迫越來越緊今年的2月中共海警曾經在金門南下了我們觀光船登船臨檢盤查過去中共海警主要在外島這一次已經到了本島周邊驗證要港要港的封控的能力這一次的傳輸剛剛他你們一直提到假消息假消息\n今天傳出了中友的LNG船液化天然氣運輸船台達二號因共經演習掉頭反而這個方向的驅離那這個你們中友有特別有這個新聞稿裡面也澄清是因為港區無毛破\n去供該船的停泊請問一下有這麼巧的事情這是你們自己資源取收還是你們自己本身掌握的情報不足你們現在海巡署要特別特別注意到因為你們是海巡治安單位最高的單位你來回答一下好不好\n各位報告那因為這個LNG船的部分是這個經濟部跟外電已經有發布宣告澄清那沒有這一個事情那另外海巡署在應對中國公務船部門主要是應對海警船跟相關的公務船那軍艦部分是由國防部來處理\n這次演習沒有進到我們24海里雖然它動用的海警船高達12艘但是沒有進到我們12海里那只要它一進到我們12海里我們是採一艦一艇的方式來對應並航監控那只要進到我們會做驅離跟必要的手段那這部分我們海軍署完全可以掌握這個海面的狀況跟委員報告\n我現在提一個方向中共海潛船執行的是屬於內政行為那內政行為的執法若我國無法有所應對等同默認中共建立於內政程序對台的新常態海巡署是我國海洋巡訪的治安單位對於中共打算建立的新常態有什麼樣的應對\n如果下次再發生不管今天他是利建碑未來可能引進到利建西他們在一弄一國際法的這樣的一個戰略的一個名稱你來回答一下\n跟委員報告那只要中共的海警船進到我們24海里他來所謂的執法事實上他不是執法這已經是一個騷擾行為侵擾行為那我們會用最嚴正的這一個部署然後來去加以去理那這邊要特別跟委員報告我們海巡組對維護我國海權海疆的權益是不遺餘力的我們堅定我們的立場絕對不會讓中共進到24海里\n另外這樣子啦 幫主席給我一分鐘我們先講一個如果未來中共以殘害性阻擾了LNG的運輸船那將是危害我國能源安全法那你們如果這樣的一個應對有什麼樣的一個應對能力\n跟委員報告只要中共的公務船舶進到24海裏海巡署會不惜一切手段拒止在24海裏不會讓中共的公務船舶進到我們24海裏不要再找一個理由說又是一個沒有提供停泊的一個地方再找這樣的一個理由好不好跟委員報告那是一個錯假訊息謝謝黃仁委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.447 --> 00:03.767\n有請謝謝主席有請局長來蔡局長請\n\n00:10.453 --> 00:37.620\n好謝謝主席黃委員長是原系剛剛馬文堅所提的就是例件A跟例件B那根據在107年的路透社裡面已經有報導出來那我在10月8號我在國安總諮詢的時候我特別有諮詢我們的主委院長包含國防部的顧立雄部長特別提到\n\n00:40.014 --> 00:42.335\n在我們的雙十國慶的晚宴晚會當時的主播論延遲到我們10月10號\n\n00:51.840 --> 01:10.245\n我特別提到說對岸不是沒有動作只看我們10月10號是不是我們賴總統又提了新的兩國論果不其然引起了這樣的一個震驚跟震撼那最後最後\n\n01:12.153 --> 01:29.148\n所以他們在前天就有大動作來這樣的一個還台我想不管是歷屆A或者歷屆B未來的歷屆C可能會產生的對我們國安對我們整個的國家\n\n01:32.370 --> 01:46.616\n所以這樣的一個很多的消息是不是你們高層國安高層洩露出來的秘密還是怎麼樣讓我們國內造成不安局長你回答\n\n01:47.136 --> 01:47.496\n蔡英文議員\n\n02:17.156 --> 02:17.396\n關於東亞的局勢\n\n02:35.832 --> 02:58.793\n你報告裡面是提了以哈戰事反而真正在東亞東亞發生的衝突的結果沒有提到你這邊的裡面的報告目前朝鮮半島對我們台海的趨勢本來有關聯性前三天都已經發生這樣這麼重大的一個兩韓之間北韓跟南韓之間的衝突\n\n03:00.374 --> 03:20.302\n所以這個發生裡面都已經產生對我們國內對極大台海的局勢那另外就是我們今天我們講一個共機發動聯合力建2024的經驗以朝鮮半島的局勢升高時機很巧妙\n\n03:20.982 --> 03:48.351\n那局長認為這只是一個巧合還是中共跟北韓已經有互通的消息你來回答一下社委委員提到朝鮮半島的安全情勢那事實上朝鮮半島安全情勢的升溫大概在去年的下半年8月以後它的狀況就有比較升溫那主要的原因是在當時因為美日韓的峰會對於朝鮮半島風險的控管有達成了美日韓高層的一個\n\n03:49.031 --> 03:49.771\n有些寫者有寫者指出\n\n04:09.261 --> 04:30.648\n中共利用朝鮮半島趨勢升溫的時間點進行了軍演目的是要在測試美軍有無能力同時應對朝鮮半島及台海兩格危機因此顯然中共的目標主要在區域據上中共認為一旦\n\n04:31.368 --> 04:39.075\n能夠達成聚職．就能順利武統台灣．局長嚴判認為這樣的說法有沒有正確．因為這是學者說的．\n\n04:44.895 --> 05:14.230\n這是一種學者的說法我們當然會尊重也會參考但實際的狀況事實上根文說明的是最近這一段期間北韓跟俄國的關係是積極的在改善跟加強當中那反倒是中共跟北韓的關係是處在一個比較低潮的狀態那我們從雙方互動往來的成績以及北韓也對中共來進行相關的一個批評那還有中共也在管制北韓的物品到中國大陸來所以我們整體來分析就情資的角度來看\n\n05:14.710 --> 05:43.925\n那朝二的關係再加強但中朝的關係現在是處在比較低潮的狀況因為路透社所報導的你們應該都已經掌控但是高層裡面放消息你們也應該知道所以不是因為他們在開始還台、圍台的時候你們才緊急的國安會議包含總統召集所有的各單位裡面緊急的會議應該你們在之前就應該掌控\n\n05:44.525 --> 06:03.831\n而且要對國人對外在台海局勢的一個狀況裡面要如何來安撫我們國人要不然的話又是一個緊張其次台海之間的一個關係那另外就是我特別講的是\n\n06:05.371 --> 06:32.477\n台海跟朝鮮本來就是全球的一個火藥庫所以我們這個部分我們特別要國安局要掌握這個消息的第一手消息因為我常常提到對岸有任何動作我們國安本來就是優先的而不是要透過了媒體爆料甚至你們高層的爆料所以我想剛剛我提到是希望你們提供這個資料給我那另外一次來我\n\n06:33.757 --> 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