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00:00:03,732\n請鄭部長有請鄭部長委員好部長早安其實部長從早上開始質詢到現在很多位委員都有關心了關於高中發放這個青年服刑通知單這個造成家長恐慌的這個事情那首先我想請教部長這樣的調查是常態性的嗎\n\n2\n00:00:27,942 --> 00:00:36,069\n在過去這個90年,他就本來學校就是自動在編組根據這個法案,只是）說他是一個常態性,他固定都會在這個時間點調查嗎?我想確實我們這一個去年發的一個公文在今年裡面做了這樣一個部長我是請問您說這個往年我們都會在這個時間點調查嗎?就我的沒有\n\n3\n00:00:56,448 --> 00:00:56,909\n所以這是第一次嗎?\n\n4\n00:01:03,595 --> 00:01:08,099\n昨年有調查過今年是第二次來做這個調查因為其實中國這幾日有發動維台軍演所以任何的風吹草動民眾都非常的關注非常的緊張那尤其你在這個時間點發放青年扶擒通知單上面又寫的是依據全民防衛動員準備法\n\n5\n00:01:28,596 --> 00:01:57,362\n所以家長都非常的恐慌就是說到底是什麼樣的這到底是一個什麼樣的狀況那當然教育部這邊你們也說明了所以青年服勤的範圍跟內容是主要是協助各地方政府避難引導社會社區關懷公共服務等等而且是排除警警單位的勤務那在學校的教育階段希望能夠完成說關於教育訓練的演習包括災難發生的時候可以有發揮校園安全及自救跟救人\n\n6\n00:01:57,662 --> 00:01:57,682\n陳秀寳議員\n\n7\n00:02:16,749 --> 00:02:16,869\n部長,你理解嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:34,441 --> 00:02:37,924\n這我完全同意,我想謝謝委員的提醒,怎麼樣讓許多這個政策或者這個調查,就真正的能夠達到目的,而且能夠讓家長、社會大眾知道,而不需要造成額外的不必要的困擾,我想這我們會內部來檢討改進。\n\n9\n00:02:53,817 --> 00:03:04,004\n好謝謝那接下來呢我要追蹤喔之前有我質詢過教育部的短影音有危害的這個部分呢我們教育部到底要如何來防範根據最近美國14個州經過兩年多的調查指出\n\n10\n00:03:09,508 --> 00:03:12,071\n抖音故意將短影音平台設計成容易讓兒少成癮並且明知道對兒少會造成有害影響卻刻意的限制防護的這個措施來維持他們這個平台的流量那調查的文件也顯示說\n\n11\n00:03:25,166 --> 00:03:46,455\n新用戶只要觀看260個短影音就會形成一個習慣會去觀看的習慣那以每個影片最短8秒來計算其實只要新用戶只要觀看不到35分鐘他就會有對這個平台產生習慣跟依賴的這個心理那抖音內部他們自己的文件也承認說平台設計有許多功能是要誘使額上用戶持續的來觀看這些抖音的內容\n\n12\n00:03:50,997 --> 00:04:14,626\n讓兒少不停的就是想要打開抖音的這個衝動他隨時要關注說有沒有新的更新他有沒有措施了他有這樣的焦慮一直想要去看抖音那這個對我們的兒少心理會產生很多負面的影響那使我們的兒少他會缺少深度對話的能力缺少同理心增加焦慮感對長時間內容會缺乏耐心這些都會對學習有很大的不良的影響\n\n13\n00:04:15,806 --> 00:04:42,781\n本席在今年的3月19總諮詢的時候有問過關於這個短影音的成癮的問題我也建議教育部應該要正視這個問題並對這些造成負面影響的這些短影音我們必須要有一個措施來防範那我現在要追蹤我要請問部長我們現在有沒有對這些兒童使用短影音這些使用習慣我們做一個調查做一個分析來瞭解兒童使用短影音的狀況\n\n14\n00:04:44,831 --> 00:05:09,248\n跟委員報告我們當然這個後端是可以理解的但是怎麼樣讓這些短影音這個能夠減少對這個兒少的一些負面的影響包括網路的一個成癮我想這我們完全同意這個委員所關心的而且我們在學術的網路已經也把這個短影音的這個平台這個抖音也做了一個這個隔離\n\n15\n00:05:12,438 --> 00:05:30,168\n部長現在我要問的是說你們有什麼防範的措施而且我們如何去教育我們的孩子去拒絕或去判斷這個短影音我們如何去自己有這樣子的警覺就是不要去沉迷你們有怎樣的方式有什麼措施\n\n16\n00:05:31,294 --> 00:05:31,314\n陳秀寳議員\n\n17\n00:05:49,255 --> 00:05:52,078\n部長,這樣子您的回答我有了解到說其實你們現在對這個部分你們還沒有一個很正式的一些規劃。\n\n18\n00:06:06,616 --> 00:06:32,570\n那這樣子啦本席希望說你們真的要正視這個問題就是我們兒少成名在短隱隱這個部分真的是非常的嚴重而且真的是會影響到我們孩子他們學習不管是他們的記憶他們的專注對他們學習的成果都有很大的負面的影響那這邊我要求你們要儘速跟速發部這邊來跨部會研議如何的預防那我請教育部這邊你三個月之內提供具體的措施給我的辦公室\n\n19\n00:06:34,292 --> 00:06:34,432\n秀寳委員\n\n20\n00:06:49,332 --> 00:06:50,592\n不要說也許,是一定\n\n21\n00:07:09,298 --> 00:07:09,618\n部長您有什麼看法?\n\n22\n00:07:38,676 --> 00:08:04,066\n好,請次長報告委員,這個是媒體的報導,其實不勝公允,因為有十幾家學校修課非常非常踴躍,這只是部分的學校,他有一些學校因為他比較晚開學,他跟其他的學校的開學時間比較不一樣,所以他們的學校,本來只有少數的學校是人數比較少,大多數學校其實非常踴躍,所以我們修課人數現在已經超過2500多,\n\n23\n00:08:05,046 --> 00:08:30,218\n所以市長您對這個選修的這樣子的踴躍度您是覺得滿意的而且我剛才在另外跟國委員回應的時候也提到類似的事情說本來我們這個模式這個政策出去不是一開始就是浩大喜功一開始要衝多少人我們這個是在逐步提升能夠支持的選AI課程的這個修課人數的量能所以本來我們這一次就是沒有要去衝人數的\n\n24\n00:08:31,298 --> 00:08:47,343\n現在次長,那麼對於剛剛次長你講到就是說有的學校他開課的時間可能太晚了,直至他想要選修的學生他跟原來他必修的課程可能會衝堂,或者說他因為開課的時間不一定,讓學生沒有辦法及時的,他本來想要去修習這樣的課程的。\n\n25\n00:08:48,063 --> 00:08:48,503\n市長您的意思是說你們已經有這樣的措施可以來應應而且可以調整\n\n26\n00:09:04,614 --> 00:09:09,936\n那好我再請教根據新聞指出有的私校為了鼓勵學生修習AI聯盟的課程祭出了修習一門課可以獲得一萬獎金取得教育部認證的證書再獲得十萬的獎勵金你們有聽到這樣的消息嗎有學校在鼓勵學生就是這個學校是龍華科大那他們覺得說要鼓勵學生有信心跟台青教程的學生一起修但是次長您覺得這樣子合適嗎\n\n27\n00:09:29,621 --> 00:09:47,667\n這個是學校自己獎勵學生的措施這沒有什麼合適不合適的因為其實發獎勵金對私下來講他說是要誘因就是鼓勵學生來修習AI的課程但是也有教育團體會認為說你用巨額的獎金來鼓勵學生來修習那不是出於他真正的興趣或者說今天有獎金的時候我去修習這個課程沒有獎金我就不去了\n\n28\n00:09:50,228 --> 00:09:54,432\n所以你們也不會去介入就是學校他們自主讓他們就是學生願意這樣子配合那學校有這樣子的獎勵你們還是會讓他繼續這樣子做嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:18,340 --> 00:10:42,310\n我覺得學校發放獎學金這是學校的權利好謝謝次長您的回答我再借一分鐘那我想請教一下我部長關於我們現在其實很多人在討論所謂的SEL邊路課綱那SEL是社會情緒的學習那許多國家都已經有訂定的SEL的課綱目的就是希望提升\n\n30\n00:10:43,010 --> 00:10:58,238\n年輕學子自我效能以及心理的韌性,讓我們的兒童青少年在建立正確的社交情緒來因應各種的形態的一些刺激、網路霸凌,或者說他能夠做好自己的情緒管理,有助於學習的提升跟工作表現。那部長您覺得說我們可不可以把這個部分編入?\n\n31\n00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:01,700\n時間已經超過了\n\n32\n00:11:26,761 --> 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而且可以調整\n那好我再請教根據新聞指出有的私校為了鼓勵學生修習AI聯盟的課程祭出了修習一門課可以獲得一萬獎金取得教育部認證的證書再獲得十萬的獎勵金你們有聽到這樣的消息嗎有學校在鼓勵學生就是這個學校是龍華科大那他們覺得說要鼓勵學生有信心跟台青教程的學生一起修但是次長您覺得這樣子合適嗎\n這個是學校自己獎勵學生的措施這沒有什麼合適不合適的因為其實發獎勵金對私下來講他說是要誘因就是鼓勵學生來修習AI的課程但是也有教育團體會認為說你用巨額的獎金來鼓勵學生來修習那不是出於他真正的興趣或者說今天有獎金的時候我去修習這個課程沒有獎金我就不去了\n所以你們也不會去介入就是學校他們自主讓他們就是學生願意這樣子配合那學校有這樣子的獎勵你們還是會讓他繼續這樣子做嗎?\n我覺得學校發放獎學金這是學校的權利好謝謝次長您的回答我再借一分鐘那我想請教一下我部長關於我們現在其實很多人在討論所謂的SEL邊路課綱那SEL是社會情緒的學習那許多國家都已經有訂定的SEL的課綱目的就是希望提升\n年輕學子自我效能以及心理的韌性,讓我們的兒童青少年在建立正確的社交情緒來因應各種的形態的一些刺激、網路霸凌,或者說他能夠做好自己的情緒管理,有助於學習的提升跟工作表現。那部長您覺得說我們可不可以把這個部分編入?\n時間已經超過了\n陳秀寳\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:03.732\n請鄭部長有請鄭部長委員好部長早安其實部長從早上開始質詢到現在很多位委員都有關心了關於高中發放這個青年服刑通知單這個造成家長恐慌的這個事情那首先我想請教部長這樣的調查是常態性的嗎\n\n00:27.942 --> 00:36.069\n在過去這個90年,他就本來學校就是自動在編組根據這個法案,只是）說他是一個常態性,他固定都會在這個時間點調查嗎?我想確實我們這一個去年發的一個公文在今年裡面做了這樣一個部長我是請問您說這個往年我們都會在這個時間點調查嗎?就我的沒有\n\n00:56.448 --> 00:56.909\n所以這是第一次嗎?\n\n01:03.595 --> 01:08.099\n昨年有調查過今年是第二次來做這個調查因為其實中國這幾日有發動維台軍演所以任何的風吹草動民眾都非常的關注非常的緊張那尤其你在這個時間點發放青年扶擒通知單上面又寫的是依據全民防衛動員準備法\n\n01:28.596 --> 01:57.362\n所以家長都非常的恐慌就是說到底是什麼樣的這到底是一個什麼樣的狀況那當然教育部這邊你們也說明了所以青年服勤的範圍跟內容是主要是協助各地方政府避難引導社會社區關懷公共服務等等而且是排除警警單位的勤務那在學校的教育階段希望能夠完成說關於教育訓練的演習包括災難發生的時候可以有發揮校園安全及自救跟救人\n\n01:57.662 --> 01:57.682\n陳秀寳議員\n\n02:16.749 --> 02:16.869\n部長,你理解嗎?\n\n02:34.441 --> 02:37.924\n這我完全同意,我想謝謝委員的提醒,怎麼樣讓許多這個政策或者這個調查,就真正的能夠達到目的,而且能夠讓家長、社會大眾知道,而不需要造成額外的不必要的困擾,我想這我們會內部來檢討改進。\n\n02:53.817 --> 03:04.004\n好謝謝那接下來呢我要追蹤喔之前有我質詢過教育部的短影音有危害的這個部分呢我們教育部到底要如何來防範根據最近美國14個州經過兩年多的調查指出\n\n03:09.508 --> 03:12.071\n抖音故意將短影音平台設計成容易讓兒少成癮並且明知道對兒少會造成有害影響卻刻意的限制防護的這個措施來維持他們這個平台的流量那調查的文件也顯示說\n\n03:25.166 --> 03:46.455\n新用戶只要觀看260個短影音就會形成一個習慣會去觀看的習慣那以每個影片最短8秒來計算其實只要新用戶只要觀看不到35分鐘他就會有對這個平台產生習慣跟依賴的這個心理那抖音內部他們自己的文件也承認說平台設計有許多功能是要誘使額上用戶持續的來觀看這些抖音的內容\n\n03:50.997 --> 04:14.626\n讓兒少不停的就是想要打開抖音的這個衝動他隨時要關注說有沒有新的更新他有沒有措施了他有這樣的焦慮一直想要去看抖音那這個對我們的兒少心理會產生很多負面的影響那使我們的兒少他會缺少深度對話的能力缺少同理心增加焦慮感對長時間內容會缺乏耐心這些都會對學習有很大的不良的影響\n\n04:15.806 --> 04:42.781\n本席在今年的3月19總諮詢的時候有問過關於這個短影音的成癮的問題我也建議教育部應該要正視這個問題並對這些造成負面影響的這些短影音我們必須要有一個措施來防範那我現在要追蹤我要請問部長我們現在有沒有對這些兒童使用短影音這些使用習慣我們做一個調查做一個分析來瞭解兒童使用短影音的狀況\n\n04:44.831 --> 05:09.248\n跟委員報告我們當然這個後端是可以理解的但是怎麼樣讓這些短影音這個能夠減少對這個兒少的一些負面的影響包括網路的一個成癮我想這我們完全同意這個委員所關心的而且我們在學術的網路已經也把這個短影音的這個平台這個抖音也做了一個這個隔離\n\n05:12.438 --> 05:30.168\n部長現在我要問的是說你們有什麼防範的措施而且我們如何去教育我們的孩子去拒絕或去判斷這個短影音我們如何去自己有這樣子的警覺就是不要去沉迷你們有怎樣的方式有什麼措施\n\n05:31.294 --> 05:31.314\n陳秀寳議員\n\n05:49.255 --> 05:52.078\n部長,這樣子您的回答我有了解到說其實你們現在對這個部分你們還沒有一個很正式的一些規劃。\n\n06:06.616 --> 06:32.570\n那這樣子啦本席希望說你們真的要正視這個問題就是我們兒少成名在短隱隱這個部分真的是非常的嚴重而且真的是會影響到我們孩子他們學習不管是他們的記憶他們的專注對他們學習的成果都有很大的負面的影響那這邊我要求你們要儘速跟速發部這邊來跨部會研議如何的預防那我請教育部這邊你三個月之內提供具體的措施給我的辦公室\n\n06:34.292 --> 06:34.432\n秀寳委員\n\n06:49.332 --> 06:50.592\n不要說也許,是一定\n\n07:09.298 --> 07:09.618\n部長您有什麼看法?\n\n07:38.676 --> 08:04.066\n好,請次長報告委員,這個是媒體的報導,其實不勝公允,因為有十幾家學校修課非常非常踴躍,這只是部分的學校,他有一些學校因為他比較晚開學,他跟其他的學校的開學時間比較不一樣,所以他們的學校,本來只有少數的學校是人數比較少,大多數學校其實非常踴躍,所以我們修課人數現在已經超過2500多,\n\n08:05.046 --> 08:30.218\n所以市長您對這個選修的這樣子的踴躍度您是覺得滿意的而且我剛才在另外跟國委員回應的時候也提到類似的事情說本來我們這個模式這個政策出去不是一開始就是浩大喜功一開始要衝多少人我們這個是在逐步提升能夠支持的選AI課程的這個修課人數的量能所以本來我們這一次就是沒有要去衝人數的\n\n08:31.298 --> 08:47.343\n現在次長,那麼對於剛剛次長你講到就是說有的學校他開課的時間可能太晚了,直至他想要選修的學生他跟原來他必修的課程可能會衝堂,或者說他因為開課的時間不一定,讓學生沒有辦法及時的,他本來想要去修習這樣的課程的。\n\n08:48.063 --> 08:48.503\n市長您的意思是說你們已經有這樣的措施可以來應應而且可以調整\n\n09:04.614 --> 09:09.936\n那好我再請教根據新聞指出有的私校為了鼓勵學生修習AI聯盟的課程祭出了修習一門課可以獲得一萬獎金取得教育部認證的證書再獲得十萬的獎勵金你們有聽到這樣的消息嗎有學校在鼓勵學生就是這個學校是龍華科大那他們覺得說要鼓勵學生有信心跟台青教程的學生一起修但是次長您覺得這樣子合適嗎\n\n09:29.621 --> 09:47.667\n這個是學校自己獎勵學生的措施這沒有什麼合適不合適的因為其實發獎勵金對私下來講他說是要誘因就是鼓勵學生來修習AI的課程但是也有教育團體會認為說你用巨額的獎金來鼓勵學生來修習那不是出於他真正的興趣或者說今天有獎金的時候我去修習這個課程沒有獎金我就不去了\n\n09:50.228 --> 09:54.432\n所以你們也不會去介入就是學校他們自主讓他們就是學生願意這樣子配合那學校有這樣子的獎勵你們還是會讓他繼續這樣子做嗎?\n\n10:18.340 --> 10:42.310\n我覺得學校發放獎學金這是學校的權利好謝謝次長您的回答我再借一分鐘那我想請教一下我部長關於我們現在其實很多人在討論所謂的SEL邊路課綱那SEL是社會情緒的學習那許多國家都已經有訂定的SEL的課綱目的就是希望提升\n\n10:43.010 --> 10:58.238\n年輕學子自我效能以及心理的韌性,讓我們的兒童青少年在建立正確的社交情緒來因應各種的形態的一些刺激、網路霸凌,或者說他能夠做好自己的情緒管理,有助於學習的提升跟工作表現。那部長您覺得說我們可不可以把這個部分編入?\n\n11:01.280 --> 11:01.700\n時間已經超過了\n\n11:26.761 --> 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