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00:01:45,022\n公務預算是隨時可以監督國民黨的立委如果對於公務預算的編列他有任何的疑問他是不是可以在這裡不管質詢他就可以三餐照問問到寶我這樣講有沒有錯是的當時委員確實有一些執政黨委員會撤回是因為擔心這個違反這個財政紀律法所以希望在沒有法源的前提就暫不考慮用基金的這樣一個\n\n6\n00:01:45,162 --> 00:01:45,422\n委員會主席\n\n7\n00:02:03,277 --> 00:02:04,578\n責任區桃園半年內有三件事件,包括校園霸凌、籃球隊傳出帶隊老師。\n\n8\n00:02:22,225 --> 00:02:38,011\n那不管是在這個性評的部分對學生的性騷擾而且這個時間長達了將近10年之久那也跨了很多屆的學生那這件事情爆發之後那校方其實對於這位老師當然也做了一些處置那也記了申誡但是這個老師繼續還是可以帶隊那引起很多家長的恐慌跟不滿\n\n9\n00:02:44,614 --> 00:03:10,005\n那我不曉得這個部份這個部長這邊有沒有掌握這個教育局到底是鬆掉地方政府的教育局是鬆掉了呢還是他完全看不到我想這有關這個地方這本這個地方這一個教育局處他應該要當為而如果沒有作為我想我們教育部會給予這一個事後了解我們會再敦請他們這一個一定要給予改善是\n\n10\n00:03:10,985 --> 00:03:23,857\n另外還有一件事情也是在上個月也接獲校方的一個通報有投訴的民眾就在講說他的弟弟在國中的時候其實他們是在上理化課的時候那因為這個\n\n11\n00:03:29,883 --> 00:03:44,350\n當眾就被老師要求脫褲子穿褲子然後再來就是可能也被老師摸了手摸了他的腿部的部分那也特別就是在全班的面前有這樣子的一個動作甚至用言語上的討侃你穿的是什麼牌子的這個束褲很好看來來繼續再穿再脫這樣子那當然這件事情其實也引發了許多這個很多的失望\n\n12\n00:03:53,895 --> 00:03:56,479\n教育局對於這位老師他在違反所謂的這個性平跟不當管教的部分後續的處理\n\n13\n00:04:08,917 --> 00:04:30,336\n跟委員報告我們確實對這些老師有一些不當的一些教學管教的一個行為我們會嚴正的要求地方教育局處要這個依法要予以懲處或者糾正改善那如果地方教育局處不做我們事實上會對這個地方這個教育補助款裡邊我們會有一些事實的反映\n\n14\n00:04:37,141 --> 00:04:38,242\n謝謝委員關心我們這個會後在下班前會把這個這個地方疾處他們的這個所有的處理的最近的一個這個結果跟委員報告\n\n15\n00:05:04,025 --> 00:05:04,045\n〔記者〕\n\n16\n00:05:18,447 --> 00:05:31,399\n在霸凌自傷自殺的案件下其實我們很少去討論到被忽略的這一群這一群面對的是誰呢就是我們講的學校的校護人員學校的校護人員其實他們\n\n17\n00:05:34,762 --> 00:06:02,590\n在我們的教育部主管這個各級學校的緊急傷病處理的準則當中其實我們看到這個消護人員其實他們要去處理的事件包含學生在傷病的一個狀況他們是第一線的這個學校的緊急的救護人員那我們可以發現這個學校孩子自傷自殺他們其實發生蠻高的一個比例就是在學校\n\n18\n00:06:03,670 --> 00:06:10,815\n那我想校戶的工作是非常非常的繁重那根據這個中華民國學校護理人員協定會的一個統計他們也做過這樣子的一個調查講到學校校戶的業務工作跟他們認為沒有辦法做到的比例我們先來看一下第三點跟第六點照理來講校戶我們對於校戶的工作職權的認為認知是應該他們先處理比方說\n\n19\n00:06:32,131 --> 00:06:56,448\n疾病個案的管理就是碰到傷病的時候我第一線就要先去處理在其他的老師以及校護的這個處理之下那怎麼樣來做這個校外的這個就醫的通報等等那第二個我們看到第三點還有就是健康問題的管理跟追蹤這個我們都是平常認為說這個是校護比較容易能夠第一線來做處理的這是他們的專業\n\n20\n00:06:57,469 --> 00:06:58,530\n第二點健康評估\n\n21\n00:07:17,608 --> 00:07:17,828\n學校衛生管理法\n\n22\n00:07:33,078 --> 00:07:49,419\n從人員的配置上40班以下應該要配一戶的校護人員40班以上再增加第二位校護人員這個管理法從91年到現在校護人員的比例的設置\n\n23\n00:07:50,180 --> 00:08:18,800\n已經將近快要有20年以上沒有在做修正了但是我們收到有很多的消護人員跟我們反映對他們來講能夠提前趕快退休就退休因為他們面臨的不是只有處理傷病他們面臨還有很大的心理的壓力跟行政的工作那這個部分我不曉得部長知不知道消護人員很少人提到他們但我們要在這裡還是要為他們先講一下話\n\n24\n00:08:20,526 --> 00:08:46,284\n謝謝委員的一個關心確實校務工作因為我們這個編制他比如說一個學校只有一個他連有時候他個人要請個假或者有個人的一些事情他都可能都沒有辦法因為學校的小孩子健康為重所以大概我們有沒有機會可以再來研擬就是我們找更多的校務人員或者是第一線處理的這樣子的一個\n\n25\n00:08:50,386 --> 00:09:05,192\n社區裡邊的這些醫院跟相關的一些醫療機構能夠有一個整體的調配包括支援的我們怎麼樣盡速的能夠給很多的校護人員他們至少不孤單啊要給他們基本上的支持啊是我想讓有更好的一些支持系統這我們會來檢討來看怎麼樣來因為就我剛剛講的嘛從學校衛生管理法將到現在那個人員上的配置校護人員的配置已經將近有20幾年是沒有再修過了\n\n26\n00:09:19,658 --> 00:09:20,119\n昨天特別開了座談會即便在上個會期\n\n27\n00:09:57,449 --> 00:10:11,727\n這5%、10%要往上加幾乎是看得到吃不到而且因為有些地方政府他們也在縮減這些特效助理員他們的工作的一個時數所以在這個地方其實真的就有落差再來第二個問題就是說\n\n28\n00:10:13,209 --> 00:10:37,818\n特教助理員又分為特教學生助理員跟特教教師助理員但是他們都是共同在學校一樣一模一樣的一個場域上工作那我們看到這個特教學生助理員從今年的8月份已經開始有調整了很好但是問題是特教教師助理員目前為止在同一個場域工作他們沒有被調整會不會有相對被剝奪感\n\n29\n00:10:39,091 --> 00:10:45,533\n這一個跟委員報告也感謝委員的關心我們確實也針對這一個教室助理員在內部在修改相關的一個規定我們希望能夠給予適時的調整這一個所以現在已經在研擬了是不是嗎?那什麼時候?可以在今年嗎?可以在今年嗎?因為一個在8月一個是目前遙遙無期而且我們這個通過以後會回溯到8月1號生效\n\n30\n00:11:00,836 --> 00:11:01,076\n謝謝部長、謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8296\t10297\t主席好有請部長有請鄭部長\n18359\t33716\t委員好部長早安在這裡其實在進入我今天的質詢之前我先回應一下剛剛我坐在那邊我聽到的就是關於這個青年基本法基金的這個部分其實我們部長有到我的辦公室特別要跟我講說這個要撤案嗎\n37235\t55331\t應該沒有吧?因為我其實我們的記憶應該都還蠻深刻的所以其實我真的不希望這個質詢的部分變成一個造謠大會那我還記得這個今年7月的時候其實關於這個國發基金盈餘的部分其實他們有很多的國民黨的立委\n55811\t65621\t就在質疑說這個基金的部分其實是不夠透明不好監督所以其實他們也蠻反對那既然是這樣的話其實我們民進黨的這個教育委員會的委員其實我們每一個每一個委員其實都還蠻用功的這個我們是通盤開會檢討我們是說如果與其用基金的方式可能會被講話所以我們用公務預算的編列\n79654\t105022\t公務預算是隨時可以監督國民黨的立委如果對於公務預算的編列他有任何的疑問他是不是可以在這裡不管質詢他就可以三餐照問問到寶我這樣講有沒有錯是的當時委員確實有一些執政黨委員會撤回是因為擔心這個違反這個財政紀律法所以希望在沒有法源的前提就暫不考慮用基金的這樣一個\n105162\t105422\t委員會主席\n123277\t124578\t責任區桃園半年內有三件事件,包括校園霸凌、籃球隊傳出帶隊老師。\n142225\t158011\t那不管是在這個性評的部分對學生的性騷擾而且這個時間長達了將近10年之久那也跨了很多屆的學生那這件事情爆發之後那校方其實對於這位老師當然也做了一些處置那也記了申誡但是這個老師繼續還是可以帶隊那引起很多家長的恐慌跟不滿\n164614\t190005\t那我不曉得這個部份這個部長這邊有沒有掌握這個教育局到底是鬆掉地方政府的教育局是鬆掉了呢還是他完全看不到我想這有關這個地方這本這個地方這一個教育局處他應該要當為而如果沒有作為我想我們教育部會給予這一個事後了解我們會再敦請他們這一個一定要給予改善是\n190985\t203857\t另外還有一件事情也是在上個月也接獲校方的一個通報有投訴的民眾就在講說他的弟弟在國中的時候其實他們是在上理化課的時候那因為這個\n209883\t224350\t當眾就被老師要求脫褲子穿褲子然後再來就是可能也被老師摸了手摸了他的腿部的部分那也特別就是在全班的面前有這樣子的一個動作甚至用言語上的討侃你穿的是什麼牌子的這個束褲很好看來來繼續再穿再脫這樣子那當然這件事情其實也引發了許多這個很多的失望\n233895\t236479\t教育局對於這位老師他在違反所謂的這個性平跟不當管教的部分後續的處理\n248917\t270336\t跟委員報告我們確實對這些老師有一些不當的一些教學管教的一個行為我們會嚴正的要求地方教育局處要這個依法要予以懲處或者糾正改善那如果地方教育局處不做我們事實上會對這個地方這個教育補助款裡邊我們會有一些事實的反映\n277141\t278242\t謝謝委員關心我們這個會後在下班前會把這個這個地方疾處他們的這個所有的處理的最近的一個這個結果跟委員報告\n304025\t304045\t〔記者〕\n318447\t331399\t在霸凌自傷自殺的案件下其實我們很少去討論到被忽略的這一群這一群面對的是誰呢就是我們講的學校的校護人員學校的校護人員其實他們\n334762\t362590\t在我們的教育部主管這個各級學校的緊急傷病處理的準則當中其實我們看到這個消護人員其實他們要去處理的事件包含學生在傷病的一個狀況他們是第一線的這個學校的緊急的救護人員那我們可以發現這個學校孩子自傷自殺他們其實發生蠻高的一個比例就是在學校\n363670\t370815\t那我想校戶的工作是非常非常的繁重那根據這個中華民國學校護理人員協定會的一個統計他們也做過這樣子的一個調查講到學校校戶的業務工作跟他們認為沒有辦法做到的比例我們先來看一下第三點跟第六點照理來講校戶我們對於校戶的工作職權的認為認知是應該他們先處理比方說\n392131\t416448\t疾病個案的管理就是碰到傷病的時候我第一線就要先去處理在其他的老師以及校護的這個處理之下那怎麼樣來做這個校外的這個就醫的通報等等那第二個我們看到第三點還有就是健康問題的管理跟追蹤這個我們都是平常認為說這個是校護比較容易能夠第一線來做處理的這是他們的專業\n417469\t418530\t第二點 健康評估\n437608\t437828\t學校衛生管理法\n453078\t469419\t從人員的配置上40班以下應該要配一戶的校護人員40班以上再增加第二位校護人員這個管理法從91年到現在校護人員的比例的設置\n470180\t498800\t已經將近快要有20年以上沒有在做修正了但是我們收到有很多的消護人員跟我們反映對他們來講能夠提前趕快退休就退休因為他們面臨的不是只有處理傷病他們面臨還有很大的心理的壓力跟行政的工作那這個部分我不曉得部長知不知道消護人員很少人提到他們但我們要在這裡還是要為他們先講一下話\n500526\t526284\t謝謝委員的一個關心確實校務工作因為我們這個編制他比如說一個學校只有一個他連有時候他個人要請個假或者有個人的一些事情他都可能都沒有辦法因為學校的小孩子健康為重所以大概我們有沒有機會可以再來研擬就是我們找更多的校務人員或者是第一線處理的這樣子的一個\n530386\t545192\t社區裡邊的這些醫院跟相關的一些醫療機構能夠有一個整體的調配包括支援的我們怎麼樣盡速的能夠給很多的校護人員他們至少不孤單啊要給他們基本上的支持啊是我想讓有更好的一些支持系統這我們會來檢討來看怎麼樣來因為就我剛剛講的嘛從學校衛生管理法將到現在那個人員上的配置校護人員的配置已經將近有20幾年是沒有再修過了\n559658\t560119\t昨天特別開了座談會即便在上個會期\n576152\t595486\t﹗\n597449\t611727\t這5%、10%要往上加幾乎是看得到吃不到而且因為有些地方政府他們也在縮減這些特效助理員他們的工作的一個時數所以在這個地方其實真的就有落差再來第二個問題就是說\n613209\t637818\t特教助理員又分為特教學生助理員跟特教教師助理員但是他們都是共同在學校一樣一模一樣的一個場域上工作那我們看到這個特教學生助理員從今年的8月份已經開始有調整了很好但是問題是特教教師助理員目前為止在同一個場域工作他們沒有被調整會不會有相對被剝奪感\n639091\t645533\t這一個跟委員報告也感謝委員的關心我們確實也針對這一個教室助理員在內部在修改相關的一個規定我們希望能夠給予適時的調整這一個所以現在已經在研擬了是不是嗎?那什麼時候?可以在今年嗎?可以在今年嗎?因為一個在8月一個是目前遙遙無期而且我們這個通過以後會回溯到8月1號生效\n660836\t661076\t謝謝部長、謝謝主席\n","txt":"主席好有請部長有請鄭部長\n委員好部長早安在這裡其實在進入我今天的質詢之前我先回應一下剛剛我坐在那邊我聽到的就是關於這個青年基本法基金的這個部分其實我們部長有到我的辦公室特別要跟我講說這個要撤案嗎\n應該沒有吧?因為我其實我們的記憶應該都還蠻深刻的所以其實我真的不希望這個質詢的部分變成一個造謠大會那我還記得這個今年7月的時候其實關於這個國發基金盈餘的部分其實他們有很多的國民黨的立委\n就在質疑說這個基金的部分其實是不夠透明不好監督所以其實他們也蠻反對那既然是這樣的話其實我們民進黨的這個教育委員會的委員其實我們每一個每一個委員其實都還蠻用功的這個我們是通盤開會檢討我們是說如果與其用基金的方式可能會被講話所以我們用公務預算的編列\n公務預算是隨時可以監督國民黨的立委如果對於公務預算的編列他有任何的疑問他是不是可以在這裡不管質詢他就可以三餐照問問到寶我這樣講有沒有錯是的當時委員確實有一些執政黨委員會撤回是因為擔心這個違反這個財政紀律法所以希望在沒有法源的前提就暫不考慮用基金的這樣一個\n委員會主席\n責任區桃園半年內有三件事件,包括校園霸凌、籃球隊傳出帶隊老師。\n那不管是在這個性評的部分對學生的性騷擾而且這個時間長達了將近10年之久那也跨了很多屆的學生那這件事情爆發之後那校方其實對於這位老師當然也做了一些處置那也記了申誡但是這個老師繼續還是可以帶隊那引起很多家長的恐慌跟不滿\n那我不曉得這個部份這個部長這邊有沒有掌握這個教育局到底是鬆掉地方政府的教育局是鬆掉了呢還是他完全看不到我想這有關這個地方這本這個地方這一個教育局處他應該要當為而如果沒有作為我想我們教育部會給予這一個事後了解我們會再敦請他們這一個一定要給予改善是\n另外還有一件事情也是在上個月也接獲校方的一個通報有投訴的民眾就在講說他的弟弟在國中的時候其實他們是在上理化課的時候那因為這個\n當眾就被老師要求脫褲子穿褲子然後再來就是可能也被老師摸了手摸了他的腿部的部分那也特別就是在全班的面前有這樣子的一個動作甚至用言語上的討侃你穿的是什麼牌子的這個束褲很好看來來繼續再穿再脫這樣子那當然這件事情其實也引發了許多這個很多的失望\n教育局對於這位老師他在違反所謂的這個性平跟不當管教的部分後續的處理\n跟委員報告我們確實對這些老師有一些不當的一些教學管教的一個行為我們會嚴正的要求地方教育局處要這個依法要予以懲處或者糾正改善那如果地方教育局處不做我們事實上會對這個地方這個教育補助款裡邊我們會有一些事實的反映\n謝謝委員關心我們這個會後在下班前會把這個這個地方疾處他們的這個所有的處理的最近的一個這個結果跟委員報告\n〔記者〕\n在霸凌自傷自殺的案件下其實我們很少去討論到被忽略的這一群這一群面對的是誰呢就是我們講的學校的校護人員學校的校護人員其實他們\n在我們的教育部主管這個各級學校的緊急傷病處理的準則當中其實我們看到這個消護人員其實他們要去處理的事件包含學生在傷病的一個狀況他們是第一線的這個學校的緊急的救護人員那我們可以發現這個學校孩子自傷自殺他們其實發生蠻高的一個比例就是在學校\n那我想校戶的工作是非常非常的繁重那根據這個中華民國學校護理人員協定會的一個統計他們也做過這樣子的一個調查講到學校校戶的業務工作跟他們認為沒有辦法做到的比例我們先來看一下第三點跟第六點照理來講校戶我們對於校戶的工作職權的認為認知是應該他們先處理比方說\n疾病個案的管理就是碰到傷病的時候我第一線就要先去處理在其他的老師以及校護的這個處理之下那怎麼樣來做這個校外的這個就醫的通報等等那第二個我們看到第三點還有就是健康問題的管理跟追蹤這個我們都是平常認為說這個是校護比較容易能夠第一線來做處理的這是他們的專業\n第二點 健康評估\n學校衛生管理法\n從人員的配置上40班以下應該要配一戶的校護人員40班以上再增加第二位校護人員這個管理法從91年到現在校護人員的比例的設置\n已經將近快要有20年以上沒有在做修正了但是我們收到有很多的消護人員跟我們反映對他們來講能夠提前趕快退休就退休因為他們面臨的不是只有處理傷病他們面臨還有很大的心理的壓力跟行政的工作那這個部分我不曉得部長知不知道消護人員很少人提到他們但我們要在這裡還是要為他們先講一下話\n謝謝委員的一個關心確實校務工作因為我們這個編制他比如說一個學校只有一個他連有時候他個人要請個假或者有個人的一些事情他都可能都沒有辦法因為學校的小孩子健康為重所以大概我們有沒有機會可以再來研擬就是我們找更多的校務人員或者是第一線處理的這樣子的一個\n社區裡邊的這些醫院跟相關的一些醫療機構能夠有一個整體的調配包括支援的我們怎麼樣盡速的能夠給很多的校護人員他們至少不孤單啊要給他們基本上的支持啊是我想讓有更好的一些支持系統這我們會來檢討來看怎麼樣來因為就我剛剛講的嘛從學校衛生管理法將到現在那個人員上的配置校護人員的配置已經將近有20幾年是沒有再修過了\n昨天特別開了座談會即便在上個會期\n﹗\n這5%、10%要往上加幾乎是看得到吃不到而且因為有些地方政府他們也在縮減這些特效助理員他們的工作的一個時數所以在這個地方其實真的就有落差再來第二個問題就是說\n特教助理員又分為特教學生助理員跟特教教師助理員但是他們都是共同在學校一樣一模一樣的一個場域上工作那我們看到這個特教學生助理員從今年的8月份已經開始有調整了很好但是問題是特教教師助理員目前為止在同一個場域工作他們沒有被調整會不會有相對被剝奪感\n這一個跟委員報告也感謝委員的關心我們確實也針對這一個教室助理員在內部在修改相關的一個規定我們希望能夠給予適時的調整這一個所以現在已經在研擬了是不是嗎?那什麼時候?可以在今年嗎?可以在今年嗎?因為一個在8月一個是目前遙遙無期而且我們這個通過以後會回溯到8月1號生效\n謝謝部長、謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.296 --> 00:10.297\n主席好有請部長有請鄭部長\n\n00:18.359 --> 00:33.716\n委員好部長早安在這裡其實在進入我今天的質詢之前我先回應一下剛剛我坐在那邊我聽到的就是關於這個青年基本法基金的這個部分其實我們部長有到我的辦公室特別要跟我講說這個要撤案嗎\n\n00:37.235 --> 00:55.331\n應該沒有吧?因為我其實我們的記憶應該都還蠻深刻的所以其實我真的不希望這個質詢的部分變成一個造謠大會那我還記得這個今年7月的時候其實關於這個國發基金盈餘的部分其實他們有很多的國民黨的立委\n\n00:55.811 --> 01:05.621\n就在質疑說這個基金的部分其實是不夠透明不好監督所以其實他們也蠻反對那既然是這樣的話其實我們民進黨的這個教育委員會的委員其實我們每一個每一個委員其實都還蠻用功的這個我們是通盤開會檢討我們是說如果與其用基金的方式可能會被講話所以我們用公務預算的編列\n\n01:19.654 --> 01:45.022\n公務預算是隨時可以監督國民黨的立委如果對於公務預算的編列他有任何的疑問他是不是可以在這裡不管質詢他就可以三餐照問問到寶我這樣講有沒有錯是的當時委員確實有一些執政黨委員會撤回是因為擔心這個違反這個財政紀律法所以希望在沒有法源的前提就暫不考慮用基金的這樣一個\n\n01:45.162 --> 01:45.422\n委員會主席\n\n02:03.277 --> 02:04.578\n責任區桃園半年內有三件事件,包括校園霸凌、籃球隊傳出帶隊老師。\n\n02:22.225 --> 02:38.011\n那不管是在這個性評的部分對學生的性騷擾而且這個時間長達了將近10年之久那也跨了很多屆的學生那這件事情爆發之後那校方其實對於這位老師當然也做了一些處置那也記了申誡但是這個老師繼續還是可以帶隊那引起很多家長的恐慌跟不滿\n\n02:44.614 --> 03:10.005\n那我不曉得這個部份這個部長這邊有沒有掌握這個教育局到底是鬆掉地方政府的教育局是鬆掉了呢還是他完全看不到我想這有關這個地方這本這個地方這一個教育局處他應該要當為而如果沒有作為我想我們教育部會給予這一個事後了解我們會再敦請他們這一個一定要給予改善是\n\n03:10.985 --> 03:23.857\n另外還有一件事情也是在上個月也接獲校方的一個通報有投訴的民眾就在講說他的弟弟在國中的時候其實他們是在上理化課的時候那因為這個\n\n03:29.883 --> 03:44.350\n當眾就被老師要求脫褲子穿褲子然後再來就是可能也被老師摸了手摸了他的腿部的部分那也特別就是在全班的面前有這樣子的一個動作甚至用言語上的討侃你穿的是什麼牌子的這個束褲很好看來來繼續再穿再脫這樣子那當然這件事情其實也引發了許多這個很多的失望\n\n03:53.895 --> 03:56.479\n教育局對於這位老師他在違反所謂的這個性平跟不當管教的部分後續的處理\n\n04:08.917 --> 04:30.336\n跟委員報告我們確實對這些老師有一些不當的一些教學管教的一個行為我們會嚴正的要求地方教育局處要這個依法要予以懲處或者糾正改善那如果地方教育局處不做我們事實上會對這個地方這個教育補助款裡邊我們會有一些事實的反映\n\n04:37.141 --> 04:38.242\n謝謝委員關心我們這個會後在下班前會把這個這個地方疾處他們的這個所有的處理的最近的一個這個結果跟委員報告\n\n05:04.025 --> 05:04.045\n〔記者〕\n\n05:18.447 --> 05:31.399\n在霸凌自傷自殺的案件下其實我們很少去討論到被忽略的這一群這一群面對的是誰呢就是我們講的學校的校護人員學校的校護人員其實他們\n\n05:34.762 --> 06:02.590\n在我們的教育部主管這個各級學校的緊急傷病處理的準則當中其實我們看到這個消護人員其實他們要去處理的事件包含學生在傷病的一個狀況他們是第一線的這個學校的緊急的救護人員那我們可以發現這個學校孩子自傷自殺他們其實發生蠻高的一個比例就是在學校\n\n06:03.670 --> 06:10.815\n那我想校戶的工作是非常非常的繁重那根據這個中華民國學校護理人員協定會的一個統計他們也做過這樣子的一個調查講到學校校戶的業務工作跟他們認為沒有辦法做到的比例我們先來看一下第三點跟第六點照理來講校戶我們對於校戶的工作職權的認為認知是應該他們先處理比方說\n\n06:32.131 --> 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