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\"end\": 624.796, \"score\": 0.992}, {\"word\": \"世\", \"start\": 624.796, \"end\": 625.156, \"score\": 0.901}, {\"word\": \"堅\"}, {\"word\": \"委\", \"start\": 625.156, \"end\": 625.176, \"score\": 0.023}, {\"word\": \"員\"}, {\"word\": \"質\"}, {\"word\": \"詢\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:01,756 --> 00:00:07,021\n主席、各位立席官員大家好。主席有請財政部莊部長。是,部長。\n\n2\n00:00:13,828 --> 00:00:32,646\n部長好部長新的會期除了審查預算在這邊本席要先向你探討目前最引起民眾關注的議題還是新清安新清安是為了幫助年輕人圓夢所以祭出了許多的優惠政策\n\n3\n00:00:33,927 --> 00:01:01,018\n雖然利益良善但是漏洞百出賴總統強調要爭取青年的支持本席沒有什麼意見因為青年買不起房政府就透過最直接最容易讓選民理解的方式介入也就是用補貼以及放寬信貸範圍的方法來協助青年可以用較寬鬆的房貸政策買房\n\n4\n00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:27,588\n這麼簡單直白的介入直接帶動了房價的上漲也衍生出許多的投機行為這部分雖然財政部有做了相關的懲罰措施去預防不肖的投機行為但是我要強調的是先前案帶動房價的上漲以及銀行資金大規模的流入房屋市場那其實這些都讓央行跟金管會很頭痛\n\n5\n00:01:28,581 --> 00:01:31,624\n五年之後本金加上利息的償還壓力會有多少人無法負擔各位請部長回答\n\n6\n00:01:50,778 --> 00:02:14,159\n跟委員報告新清安他的政策目的很清楚就協助沒有房屋的人買第一間自住房屋在他收入不是很高的時候政府給予協助然後寬限期給予五年但是這個是一個剛性的需求但是房地產價格上漲絕不會只有這一個因素那新清安我覺得不應該的是運用新清安之名進行投資\n\n7\n00:02:14,659 --> 00:02:24,605\n只投機甚至烘台房價這是最不應該的但是不能把新清安給予污名化認為說這個政策不對當然新清安這個部分我們也請行戶們第一個就是說在貸錢審核的時候要落實相關的規範同時對於來申請貸款的人要讓他知道也就是說你貸這樣的一個金額那你以後的還款的一個每一期的一個情況是怎麼樣\n\n8\n00:02:41,036 --> 00:03:10,265\n另外對於寬限期五年大家都說青年朋友運用五年的寬限期五年後就把它賣掉其實我們統計出來用寬限期五年的只有百分之二十五就是四分之一的人甚至有百分之五十一的貸款新青安的人他是沒有使用寬限期也就是他也希望他盡快能夠償還本金跟利息那三年運用三年的是百分之十四所以這個部分我覺得我們的青年朋友基本上\n\n9\n00:03:10,325 --> 00:03:12,025\n財政部莊部長曼谷市長曼谷市長曼谷市長曼谷市長\n\n10\n00:03:37,271 --> 00:04:02,743\n議案會很大那房價就會大跌所以不管是哪一種結果都不是我們在制定政策的初衷不是我們的目標那當然我相信他們也會珍惜這一間房子因為新安現代政策目標是好的但是在當初在規劃的時候當初就沒有說去做過這樣子的可行性的研究跟分析有沒有想過剛剛我說的那一些話財政部\n\n11\n00:04:04,295 --> 00:04:31,543\n在制定這個過程當中那如果說當初也有這些會有這些顧慮那是算不算一種自欺的行為就是說決策錯誤但是還是要做委員報告其實我們公股航庫在放貸新清案的時候他們也是非常謹慎的也就是說申請的人他必須要把他的一個收入的情況要讓銀行知道他也會去做評估那我們其實看一下這裡面他們買的房子在\n\n12\n00:04:33,404 --> 00:04:53,898\n購物的總金額在800萬以下的是28%1000萬以下的是45%那1500萬以下是佔了78%所以青年朋友們他在買房子的時候他還是依然依照他的財務的可能性去辦理這個新金安那我相信他們對於買了這個房子也會珍惜我相信在座的許多\n\n13\n00:04:55,219 --> 00:05:21,754\n在座的許多人不管是公務或非公務部門都有這樣的一個經驗去買第一間房子然後一直在付貸款我想這個都是可以相信的我們要打草房嘛對不對所以就是不是說單純的數據分析然後這個數據就美化數據然後就忘掉這些隱憂我們是要把這個政策在製作的過程當中有一些不足的有一些錯誤的我們要把它找出來\n\n14\n00:05:21,854 --> 00:05:45,197\n是,我想委員也是出於提醒我們的伙伴,謝謝委員。是的,謝謝委員。好,那接下來我再請教就是說,我有關注財政部的YouTube,那看到財政部在對於政策的宣導拍了很多的短片,那包括發票,還有安養信託,但是新簽案影片卻不見了。\n\n15\n00:05:46,478 --> 00:06:09,257\n根據銀行法第72條之二的規定商業銀行在辦理住宅建築還有企業建築的一個放款總額不得超過這個30%滿水位是30%那現在超過警戒值的我剛剛有聽其他委員的詢問我們也有5家航空有超過那所以這種\n\n16\n00:06:12,047 --> 00:06:34,558\n這樣情況之下就是說為什麼要設這個規定就是說要防止金融機構因為過度放貸而引發系統性的風險那我要請教說下架影片是不是已經意識到政策火燒央行那房貸的水位已經拉警報所以要趕快下架是不是間接證明說財政部已經不再鼓勵不希望年輕人繼續使用簽案\n\n17\n00:06:36,905 --> 00:06:57,150\n新青安的政策目前還是在執行當中那這影片的部分是銀行他們自主營運的事項而且新青安現在如果一開始推出的時候當然有些宣導那事實上大家都熟能詳了那我想這個部分銀行基於自主去調換他的影片播放的內容我想這個部分是自主經營的一個事項\n\n18\n00:06:59,035 --> 00:07:26,825\n部長這個問題擺出因為我當然希望每一個年輕人都能夠買到自己喜歡的房子那不過絕對不是靠著這樣子說增加貸款沒有上限的這種方式這個不只是會對金融機構產生引發可能引發的系統性的風險我以為是有上限的是有上限的我當然是有上限我是說你放寬它的上限放寬它的年限800到100那這樣子的情況之下就是會\n\n19\n00:07:28,685 --> 00:07:57,093\n剛剛有其他委員有提到我們過去有其他不同的政策來抑制房價的一個過度的一個上漲那但是我們確實看到了最近我們這個萬物起漲尤其是台灣的房價這個也是政策導致的嘛就是清安政策導致嘛所以我們要告訴部長就是說對於這個五年寬限期過後會發生的這種狀況這種風險我連想都不敢想\n\n20\n00:07:59,420 --> 00:08:24,511\n就像說總統現在唱白臉我們賴總統唱白臉但是央行要出來搬黑臉財政部要出來搬黑臉那是不是當初在製作這個政策的時候就沒有私立周全反而又波及到無辜的民眾對不對你現在央行限收限收貸款也是去去危害到其他正常需求的這些這些這些無辜的民眾啊對不對\n\n21\n00:08:26,557 --> 00:08:44,570\n委員報告我剛已經說過五年申請五年寬限期的事實上只有四分之一啦就二十趴嘛對不對二十那好那我再請教齁產生條例的部分雖然是經濟委員會審查但是也是我們財政部努力推動的一件事那為了推動國內企業化\n\n22\n00:08:46,091 --> 00:09:13,788\n智慧轉型108年制定的產創條例第十條之一只要構置智慧機械或5G通訊系統相關的硬體軟體技術或技術服務提供企業投資抵減租稅優惠就要在今年的年底落日經濟部跟財政部有研議過將支出上限拉高至18億元\n\n23\n00:09:17,251 --> 00:09:35,248\n減低率維持不變也就是說企業最高可以用九千萬抵減當年度的因納的營業事業所的稅的稅額那適用年限延長到二零二九年那現在兩個部會已經有共識了那我要請教部長什麼時候要上來立法院審查\n\n24\n00:09:36,676 --> 00:09:56,812\n委員報告這個部分因為是屬於經濟部主管的但是我們知道他在10月4號已經預告了在預告那必須要完成相關的一個一定的流程預告期滿以後看看外界的意見然後再中整要報行政院然後再送到立法院我是希望說儘快送過來是是是謝謝了因為對於企業智慧轉型這樣子的\n\n25\n00:10:01,255 --> 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這個問題擺出因為我當然希望每一個年輕人都能夠買到自己喜歡的房子那不過絕對不是靠著這樣子說增加貸款沒有上限的這種方式這個不只是會對金融機構產生引發可能引發的系統性的風險我以為是有上限的是有上限的我當然是有上限我是說你放寬它的上限放寬它的年限800到100那這樣子的情況之下就是會\n448685\t477093\t剛剛有其他委員有提到我們過去有其他不同的政策來抑制房價的一個過度的一個上漲那但是我們確實看到了最近我們這個萬物起漲尤其是台灣的房價這個也是政策導致的嘛就是清安政策導致嘛所以我們要告訴部長就是說對於這個五年寬限期過後會發生的這種狀況這種風險我連想都不敢想\n479420\t504511\t就像說總統現在唱白臉我們賴總統唱白臉但是央行要出來搬黑臉財政部要出來搬黑臉那是不是當初在製作這個政策的時候就沒有私立周全反而又波及到無辜的民眾對不對你現在央行限收限收貸款也是去去危害到其他正常需求的這些這些這些無辜的民眾啊對不對\n506557\t524570\t委員報告我剛已經說過五年申請五年寬限期的事實上只有四分之一啦就二十趴嘛對不對二十那好那我再請教齁產生條例的部分雖然是經濟委員會審查但是也是我們財政部努力推動的一件事那為了推動國內企業化\n526091\t553788\t智慧轉型108年制定的產創條例第十條之一只要構置智慧機械或5G通訊系統相關的硬體軟體技術或技術服務提供企業投資抵減租稅優惠就要在今年的年底落日經濟部跟財政部有研議過將支出上限拉高至18億元\n557251\t575248\t減低率維持不變也就是說企業最高可以用九千萬抵減當年度的因納的營業事業所的稅的稅額那適用年限延長到二零二九年那現在兩個部會已經有共識了那我要請教部長什麼時候要上來立法院審查\n576676\t596812\t委員報告這個部分因為是屬於經濟部主管的但是我們知道他在10月4號已經預告了在預告那必須要完成相關的一個一定的流程預告期滿以後看看外界的意見然後再中整要報行政院然後再送到立法院我是希望說儘快送過來是是是謝謝了因為對於企業智慧轉型這樣子的\n601255\t625176\t產生條例很重要第一個能夠把產業推向智慧化、高效化能夠創造更多的就業機會更多的這種高科技、高薪的就業機會希望能夠順利的在年底能夠在年底前錄音能夠延長好不好?是,謝謝,謝謝委員謝謝,謝謝部長好,接著我們請那個王世堅委員質詢\n","txt":"主席、各位立席官員大家好。主席有請財政部莊部長。是,部長。\n部長好部長新的會期除了審查預算在這邊本席要先向你探討目前最引起民眾關注的議題還是新清安新清安是為了幫助年輕人圓夢所以祭出了許多的優惠政策\n雖然利益良善但是漏洞百出賴總統強調要爭取青年的支持本席沒有什麼意見因為青年買不起房政府就透過最直接最容易讓選民理解的方式介入也就是用補貼以及放寬信貸範圍的方法來協助青年可以用較寬鬆的房貸政策買房\n這麼簡單直白的介入直接帶動了房價的上漲也衍生出許多的投機行為這部分雖然財政部有做了相關的懲罰措施去預防不肖的投機行為但是我要強調的是先前案帶動房價的上漲以及銀行資金大規模的流入房屋市場那其實這些都讓央行跟金管會很頭痛\n五年之後本金加上利息的償還壓力會有多少人無法負擔各位請部長回答\n跟委員報告新清安他的政策目的很清楚就協助沒有房屋的人買第一間自住房屋在他收入不是很高的時候政府給予協助然後寬限期給予五年但是這個是一個剛性的需求但是房地產價格上漲絕不會只有這一個因素那新清安我覺得不應該的是運用新清安之名進行投資\n只投機甚至烘台房價這是最不應該的但是不能把新清安給予污名化認為說這個政策不對當然新清安這個部分我們也請行戶們第一個就是說在貸錢審核的時候要落實相關的規範同時對於來申請貸款的人要讓他知道也就是說你貸這樣的一個金額那你以後的還款的一個每一期的一個情況是怎麼樣\n另外對於寬限期五年大家都說青年朋友運用五年的寬限期五年後就把它賣掉其實我們統計出來用寬限期五年的只有百分之二十五就是四分之一的人甚至有百分之五十一的貸款新青安的人他是沒有使用寬限期也就是他也希望他盡快能夠償還本金跟利息那三年運用三年的是百分之十四所以這個部分我覺得我們的青年朋友基本上\n財政部莊部長曼谷市長曼谷市長曼谷市長曼谷市長\n議案會很大那房價就會大跌所以不管是哪一種結果都不是我們在制定政策的初衷不是我們的目標那當然我相信他們也會珍惜這一間房子因為新安現代政策目標是好的但是在當初在規劃的時候當初就沒有說去做過這樣子的可行性的研究跟分析有沒有想過剛剛我說的那一些話財政部\n在制定這個過程當中那如果說當初也有這些會有這些顧慮那是算不算一種自欺的行為就是說決策錯誤但是還是要做委員報告其實我們公股航庫在放貸新清案的時候他們也是非常謹慎的也就是說申請的人他必須要把他的一個收入的情況要讓銀行知道他也會去做評估那我們其實看一下這裡面他們買的房子在\n購物的總金額在800萬以下的是28%1000萬以下的是45%那1500萬以下是佔了78%所以青年朋友們他在買房子的時候他還是依然依照他的財務的可能性去辦理這個新金安那我相信他們對於買了這個房子也會珍惜我相信在座的許多\n在座的許多人不管是公務或非公務部門都有這樣的一個經驗去買第一間房子然後一直在付貸款我想這個都是可以相信的我們要打草房嘛對不對所以就是不是說單純的數據分析然後這個數據就美化數據然後就忘掉這些隱憂我們是要把這個政策在製作的過程當中有一些不足的有一些錯誤的我們要把它找出來\n是,我想委員也是出於提醒我們的伙伴,謝謝委員。是的,謝謝委員。好,那接下來我再請教就是說,我有關注財政部的YouTube,那看到財政部在對於政策的宣導拍了很多的短片,那包括發票,還有安養信託,但是新簽案影片卻不見了。\n根據銀行法第72條之二的規定商業銀行在辦理住宅建築還有企業建築的一個放款總額不得超過這個30%滿水位是30%那現在超過警戒值的我剛剛有聽其他委員的詢問我們也有5家航空有超過那所以這種\n這樣情況之下就是說為什麼要設這個規定就是說要防止金融機構因為過度放貸而引發系統性的風險那我要請教說下架影片是不是已經意識到政策火燒央行那房貸的水位已經拉警報所以要趕快下架是不是間接證明說財政部已經不再鼓勵不希望年輕人繼續使用簽案\n新青安的政策目前還是在執行當中那這影片的部分是銀行他們自主營運的事項而且新青安現在如果一開始推出的時候當然有些宣導那事實上大家都熟能詳了那我想這個部分銀行基於自主去調換他的影片播放的內容我想這個部分是自主經營的一個事項\n部長 這個問題擺出因為我當然希望每一個年輕人都能夠買到自己喜歡的房子那不過絕對不是靠著這樣子說增加貸款沒有上限的這種方式這個不只是會對金融機構產生引發可能引發的系統性的風險我以為是有上限的是有上限的我當然是有上限我是說你放寬它的上限放寬它的年限800到100那這樣子的情況之下就是會\n剛剛有其他委員有提到我們過去有其他不同的政策來抑制房價的一個過度的一個上漲那但是我們確實看到了最近我們這個萬物起漲尤其是台灣的房價這個也是政策導致的嘛就是清安政策導致嘛所以我們要告訴部長就是說對於這個五年寬限期過後會發生的這種狀況這種風險我連想都不敢想\n就像說總統現在唱白臉我們賴總統唱白臉但是央行要出來搬黑臉財政部要出來搬黑臉那是不是當初在製作這個政策的時候就沒有私立周全反而又波及到無辜的民眾對不對你現在央行限收限收貸款也是去去危害到其他正常需求的這些這些這些無辜的民眾啊對不對\n委員報告我剛已經說過五年申請五年寬限期的事實上只有四分之一啦就二十趴嘛對不對二十那好那我再請教齁產生條例的部分雖然是經濟委員會審查但是也是我們財政部努力推動的一件事那為了推動國內企業化\n智慧轉型108年制定的產創條例第十條之一只要構置智慧機械或5G通訊系統相關的硬體軟體技術或技術服務提供企業投資抵減租稅優惠就要在今年的年底落日經濟部跟財政部有研議過將支出上限拉高至18億元\n減低率維持不變也就是說企業最高可以用九千萬抵減當年度的因納的營業事業所的稅的稅額那適用年限延長到二零二九年那現在兩個部會已經有共識了那我要請教部長什麼時候要上來立法院審查\n委員報告這個部分因為是屬於經濟部主管的但是我們知道他在10月4號已經預告了在預告那必須要完成相關的一個一定的流程預告期滿以後看看外界的意見然後再中整要報行政院然後再送到立法院我是希望說儘快送過來是是是謝謝了因為對於企業智慧轉型這樣子的\n產生條例很重要第一個能夠把產業推向智慧化、高效化能夠創造更多的就業機會更多的這種高科技、高薪的就業機會希望能夠順利的在年底能夠在年底前錄音能夠延長好不好?是,謝謝,謝謝委員謝謝,謝謝部長好,接著我們請那個王世堅委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.756 --> 00:07.021\n主席、各位立席官員大家好。主席有請財政部莊部長。是,部長。\n\n00:13.828 --> 00:32.646\n部長好部長新的會期除了審查預算在這邊本席要先向你探討目前最引起民眾關注的議題還是新清安新清安是為了幫助年輕人圓夢所以祭出了許多的優惠政策\n\n00:33.927 --> 01:01.018\n雖然利益良善但是漏洞百出賴總統強調要爭取青年的支持本席沒有什麼意見因為青年買不起房政府就透過最直接最容易讓選民理解的方式介入也就是用補貼以及放寬信貸範圍的方法來協助青年可以用較寬鬆的房貸政策買房\n\n01:03.159 --> 01:27.588\n這麼簡單直白的介入直接帶動了房價的上漲也衍生出許多的投機行為這部分雖然財政部有做了相關的懲罰措施去預防不肖的投機行為但是我要強調的是先前案帶動房價的上漲以及銀行資金大規模的流入房屋市場那其實這些都讓央行跟金管會很頭痛\n\n01:28.581 --> 01:31.624\n五年之後本金加上利息的償還壓力會有多少人無法負擔各位請部長回答\n\n01:50.778 --> 02:14.159\n跟委員報告新清安他的政策目的很清楚就協助沒有房屋的人買第一間自住房屋在他收入不是很高的時候政府給予協助然後寬限期給予五年但是這個是一個剛性的需求但是房地產價格上漲絕不會只有這一個因素那新清安我覺得不應該的是運用新清安之名進行投資\n\n02:14.659 --> 02:24.605\n只投機甚至烘台房價這是最不應該的但是不能把新清安給予污名化認為說這個政策不對當然新清安這個部分我們也請行戶們第一個就是說在貸錢審核的時候要落實相關的規範同時對於來申請貸款的人要讓他知道也就是說你貸這樣的一個金額那你以後的還款的一個每一期的一個情況是怎麼樣\n\n02:41.036 --> 03:10.265\n另外對於寬限期五年大家都說青年朋友運用五年的寬限期五年後就把它賣掉其實我們統計出來用寬限期五年的只有百分之二十五就是四分之一的人甚至有百分之五十一的貸款新青安的人他是沒有使用寬限期也就是他也希望他盡快能夠償還本金跟利息那三年運用三年的是百分之十四所以這個部分我覺得我們的青年朋友基本上\n\n03:10.325 --> 03:12.025\n財政部莊部長曼谷市長曼谷市長曼谷市長曼谷市長\n\n03:37.271 --> 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Tahovecahe等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(五)\t本院委員賴惠員等37人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】\n(六)\t本院委員林楚茵等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】\n(七)\t本院委員邱志偉等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n【10月16日及17日二天一次會】）","id":155554,"gazette":{"lineno":720,"blocks":[["顏委員寬恒：（11時23分）主席、各位列席官員，大家好。有請財政部莊部長。"],["主席：部長。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員好。"],["顏委員寬恒：部長好。部長，新的會期除了審查預算，在這邊本席要先向你探討，目前最引起民眾關注的議題還是新青安，新青安是為了幫助年輕人圓夢，所以祭出了許多的優惠政策，雖然立意良善，但是漏洞百出。賴總統強調要爭取青年的支持，本席沒有什麼意見，因為青年買不起房，政府就透過最直接、最容易讓選民理解的方式介入，也就是用補貼以及放寬信貸範圍的方法來協助，青年可以用較寬鬆的房貸政策買房，這麼簡單、直白的介入，直接帶動了房價的上漲，也衍生出許多的投機行為。","這部分雖然財政部有做了相關的懲罰措施，去預防不肖的投機行為，但是我要強調的是，新青安帶動房價的上漲以及銀行資金大規模的流入房屋市場，其實這些都讓央行跟金管會很頭痛。新青安是為了幫助青年圓夢，但是我在社群平臺上面看到一個問題，想要請教部長，現在用青安買房寬限期5年，部長有沒有預測過5年之後本金加上利息的償還壓力，會有多少人無法負擔，可不可以請部長回答？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，新青安的政策目的很清楚，就是協助沒有房屋的人買第一間自住房屋，在他收入不是很高的時候，政府給予協助，然後寬限期給予5年，這是一個剛性的需求，但是房地產價格上漲，絕不會只有這一個因素。我覺得不應該的是運用新青安之名進行投資、投機，甚至哄抬房價，這是最不應該的，但是不能把新青安給予污名化，認為這個政策不對。當然，新青安這個部分，我們也請行庫們，第一個，在貸前審核的時候要落實相關的規範，同時對於來申請貸款的人，要讓他知道你貸這樣的金額，你以後每一期還款的情況是怎麼樣。另外，對於寬限期5年，大家都說青年朋友運用5年的寬限期，5年後就把它賣掉，其實我們統計出來，用寬限期5年的只有25%，就是四分之一的人；甚至51%貸款新青安的人，他沒有使用寬限期，也就是他也希望能夠儘快償還本金跟利息；運用3年的是14%，所以這個部分我覺得我們的青年朋友基本上勤奮，而且會珍惜他的第一間房子。"],["顏委員寬恒：部長，因為很多人說臺灣房價20年來都沒有跌過，所以想買就買，不用擔心賠錢，5年之後，有這些想法的人會把使用新青安貸款的房子賣掉，也許未來有這種想法的人會做這樣的行為，到時候房市就會供過於求，那個量會很大，房價就會大跌。不管是哪一種結果，都不是我們制定政策的初衷，也不是我們的目標，對不對？"],["莊部長翠雲：那當然。我相信他們也會珍惜這一間房子，因為新青安貸款限貸1間。"],["顏委員寬恒：政策目標是好的，但是當初規劃的時候並沒有做這樣的可行性研究和分析。財政部制定政策的過程當中，有沒有想過剛剛本席說的那些話？如果當初也有這些顧慮，算不算一種自欺的行為？就是即使決策錯誤還是要做。"],["莊部長翠雲：其實公股行庫在放貸新青安的時候也是非常謹慎的，也就是說，申請人必須讓銀行知道他的收入情況，銀行也會去評估。我們看一下他們買的房子，購屋總金額800萬元以下的是28%，1,000萬元以下的是45%，1,500萬元以下占78%，所以青年朋友們買房子的時候，還是依照他的財務可能性去辦理新青安貸款，我相信他們也會珍惜買到的房子。我相信在座的許多人都有這樣的經驗，不管是公務部門或非公務部門，買了第一間房子之後一直在付貸款，我想這都是可以相信的。"],["顏委員寬恒：部長，我們要打炒房嘛！對不對？"],["莊部長翠雲：對。"],["顏委員寬恒：所以不是單純做數據分析就好，或者美化數據，卻忘掉這些隱憂。在政策的制定過程中，如果有不足或錯誤的地方，我們要把它找出來。"],["莊部長翠雲：是。我想委員也是為了提醒我們，謝謝委員。"],["顏委員寬恒：對。如果政策錯誤就要修正，不應該有這種自欺的行為。"],["莊部長翠雲：是的，謝謝委員。"],["顏委員寬恒：接下來本席要再請教，本席有關注財政部的YouTube，看到財政部為了政策宣導拍很多短片，包括發票、安養信託，但是宣導新青安貸款的影片卻不見了。根據銀行法第七十二條之二規定，商業銀行在辦理住宅建築和企業建築放款時，總額不得超過30%，也就是說滿水位是30%，現在超過警戒值的，本席剛剛有聽其他委員詢問，目前有5家行庫超過。為什麼要設這個規定？就是要防止金融機構因為過度放貸引發系統性的風險。本席要請教，是不是已經意識到這個政策會火燒央行，房貸的水位拉警報，所以要趕快下架影片？是不是間接證明財政部已經不再鼓勵，不希望年輕人繼續使用新青安貸款？"],["莊部長翠雲：沒有，新青安貸款這個政策目前還在執行當中，至於影片的部分，這是銀行自主營運的事項。新青安貸款剛推出的時候，當然有做些宣導，現在大家都耳熟能詳了，所以銀行基於自主，調換他們的影片播放內容，這個部分是自主經營的事項。"],["顏委員寬恒：部長，我們只是把這個問題提出來，本席當然希望每一個年輕人都能夠買到自己喜歡的房子，不過絕對不是靠增加貸款，或者貸款沒有上限的方式，這不只會讓金融機構引發系統性的風險……"],["莊部長翠雲：委員，這是有上限的。"],["顏委員寬恒：本席當然知道有上限，本席是說你們放寬他的上限，放寬他的年限，對不對？"],["莊部長翠雲：本來就是800萬元到1,000萬元。"],["顏委員寬恒：在這樣的情況之下，剛剛也有其他委員提到，過去我們用不同政策抑制房價過度上漲，但我們最近看到的卻是萬物齊漲，尤其是臺灣的房價，這也是政策導致的，就是新青安政策導致的嘛！我們要告訴部長，對於5年寬限期過後會發生的狀況和風險，本席連想都不敢想。","就像賴總統唱白臉，但是央行出來扮黑臉，現在連財政部也出來扮黑臉，是不是當初制定這個政策的時候就沒有思慮周全，結果反而波及到無辜的民眾，對不對？現在央行限縮貸款，也危害到其他有正常需求的無辜民眾，對不對？"],["莊部長翠雲：我剛剛已經說過，申請5年寬限期的，事實上只有四分之一啦！"],["顏委員寬恒：本席知道，你剛才有說過，就是20%，對不對？本席再請教，產創條例的部分雖然是經濟委員會審查，但也是財政部努力推動的一件事。為了推動國內企業智慧轉型，108年制定產創條例第十條之一，只要購置智慧機械或5G通訊系統，相關的硬體、軟體技術或技術服務，提供企業投資抵減租稅優惠，這個條款今年年底就要落日，經濟部和財政部研議過，將支出上限拉高至18億元，抵減率維持不變。","也就是說，企業最高可以用9,000萬元抵減當年度應納的營利事業所得稅稅額，適用年限延長到2029年。現在兩個部會已經有共識了，本席要請教部長，什麼時候送來立法院審查？"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分屬於經濟部主管，但是我們知道，他們10月4日已經預告。這部分必須完成一定的流程，預告期滿以後，看看外界的意見後再做綜整，然後報行政院，之後再送到立法院。"],["顏委員寬恒：本席希望儘快送過來。"],["莊部長翠雲：是，謝謝，這是經濟部主管的。"],["顏委員寬恒：因為對企業智慧轉型而言，這樣的產創條例很重要。"],["莊部長翠雲：是，了解。"],["顏委員寬恒：第一，能夠把產業推向智慧化、高效化，也能夠創造更多就業機會，而且是高科技、高薪的就業機會。"],["莊部長翠雲：是的，政策目的也是在這裡。"],["顏委員寬恒：希望能夠順利在年底落日前延長，好不好？"],["莊部長翠雲：是，謝謝委員。"],["顏委員寬恒：謝謝部長。"],["主席：好。接著請王世堅委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":340,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-2","speakers":["賴惠員","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","李彥秀","王鴻薇","李坤城","黃珊珊","顏寬恒","王世堅","羅明才","邱志偉","陳培瑜","陳玉珍","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe"],"page_start":277,"meetingDate":["2024-10-16"],"gazette_id":"1138501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138501_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理（含各轉投資事業機構公\n股代表之董、監事）列席業務報告，並備質詢；二、審查「證券交易稅條例」5案：(一)行政院函\n請審議「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委員羅明才等20人\n擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等25人擬具「證券交\n易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員伍麗華 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