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00:02:09,626\n這個是為什麼上次我跟你談關鍵基礎設施附近我們必須要把它列管非常重要的理由對於學者所提出這樣子的憂慮局長認為有沒有道理還是杞人憂天他們在上面講的很直接堅設飛彈直接站在這個記者拍的這個地方直接往下面軍艦打下去就擊中了覺得這樣子的憂慮有沒有道理\n\n7\n00:02:10,718 --> 00:02:27,540\n對這樣的憂慮我們確實要來重視只有重視喔對因為委員在提到說我們的態度我們認為確實應該要重視的議題那接下來該怎麼辦這個顯然不是只有重視兩個字就可以解決當然當然是那除了重視以外呢\n\n8\n00:02:28,464 --> 00:02:30,765\n需要多久?所以你就只能反映給他們嗎?當然對所以主持人應該是國防部部長是嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:47,715 --> 00:03:01,372\n以國防部為主要的業管機關你上次跟國防部討論了以後針對我們上次所討論出來的該劃進關鍵基礎設施的沒有劃進去的這件事情國防部給你的回應是什麼說他們也會重視\n\n10\n00:03:02,647 --> 00:03:29,674\n國防部針對一些軍事設施他們有他們自己的所謂軍方的關鍵設施的概念在那委員上次我們在討論的是針對行政院系統的關鍵設施那我記得除了委員以外應該洪森漢委員也在注意那個臺馬的海底電纜部分那這部分在9月會議我們已經有積極的反應我們一樣一樣來啦就是說我還是希望國安局可能要告訴我們相關的部會\n\n11\n00:03:31,494 --> 00:03:32,115\n為什麼這件事情重要?因為\n\n12\n00:03:56,716 --> 00:04:14,083\n後來我打到相關部會的回函他們好像認為說兩岸人民關係條例相關的辦法有限制入資的法律依據現行法已經足夠了那國防部也有個要塞堡壘地帶法但問題\n\n13\n00:04:15,564 --> 00:04:34,912\n是什麼?問題是這個要塞堡壘地帶法有真的依照法律公告該公告的地方嗎?我把清單列出來了以後我發現情況就不是這個樣子第一個有該畫沒有畫的第二個有畫了以後該公告沒有公告的那第三個\n\n14\n00:04:37,133 --> 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