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00:01:53,391\n的這樣空洞的喊話那您是有所作為本席不希望還是用這樣子的一個口號來告訴民眾因為政府有責任讓我們所有的這個老闆人員能夠得到安心所以本席要請教也就是在整個結構性的問題我們撲普他只有什麼是治標不治本\n\n6\n00:01:53,991 --> 00:02:22,134\n你撥補累進了那麼多但是還是一樣有空缺在那裡那您身為我們的勞動部長在這樣子的方式我相信你也認為只有以撥補撥補叫做改革這個我相信你也不認同這種口號所以本席要請教口頭上的讓勞工來做安心是絕對不會安心所以你願不願意將撥補入法\n\n7\n00:02:23,635 --> 00:02:40,394\n然後呢你要怎麼樣提出具體的長期債務的這個撥補計畫你要有一個統整的一個方向才能夠真正解決要不然你每一次都告訴我們政府不倒勞保不會倒請做說明\n\n8\n00:02:41,636 --> 00:03:04,691\n委員第一個我們到現在累計撥補是3870億啦對對那麼我們到現在的基金餘額是一兆一千億的餘額對不對意味著我們現在還有這麼多錢啦所以不用怕第一個就是說那你老公朋友先不要擔心啦那第二個就是說您講的撥補入法事實上我們過去都有提出\n\n9\n00:03:05,952 --> 00:03:30,611\n只是送到立議院都沒有完成修法所以這就代表在立議院的各黨派我們不知道他們能不能只是就撥補來達成那你要溝通啊對啊你要溝通啊你今天新有所屬行政部門所制定出來的就是希望能夠達證成功啊對不對那你明知道是如此那每一屆都是如此\n\n10\n00:03:30,991 --> 00:03:41,641\n我不希望你還是前屆前前屆一樣的部長啊以前還不稱部長欸現在位階提高是部長欸所以你更有這個權利有這個義務要去解決整體性的財政問題重點在這裏\n\n11\n00:03:49,181 --> 00:03:51,183\n你現在擔任部長你的版本送進來了沒有?\n\n12\n00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:25,924\n委員因為我們這個勞保撥補的入法他必須還要這個我們會來整個來審慎的來討論然後在這裡都有錄音錄影我們希望大家負責任的態度好不好好不好你剛才說是立法院沒通過但是你上任了之後你說你一定全力支持你也知道問題點如果關\n\n13\n00:04:28,085 --> 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