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00:02:37,125\n換句話說其實你是不是就等於是協助日本對台進行半套地廠商招商可以這麼講嘛日本對我們來招商我們的廠商去了那你過去做了一些協助那我想請教就是這次您去在吸引日本廠商來台灣投資的部分有沒有成績這第一個第二個您剛剛所說的要協助我們台灣的廠商在那個地方有什麼具體成效那第三個\n\n7\n00:02:37,685 --> 00:03:01,439\n我們所謂的台商現在在那個地方那麼這一次我們是有增加訂單還是有什麼樣的一個成果我想30秒報告委員我去這一趟並不是只有半導體的這件事情我們有談其他的產業那我跟您報告一個產業我這次去主要談的是無人機的產業\n\n8\n00:03:03,254 --> 00:03:10,636\n那麼這無人機的產業大概在2028年一年在日本有2000億台幣的這個市場那我談下來的結果就是這個2000億的市場將跟我們台灣的這個業者互相合作\n\n9\n00:03:18,959 --> 00:03:22,804\n因為我們台灣在製造上面我們大量生產比較厲害所以日本他們會給我們這個你現在在說明我們還要去談無人機雙方的合作那我覺得這都是好事情\n\n10\n00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:46,907\n那但是重點就是說那除了日本其實可以幫我們的半導體產業這個護國神山也好啦或者是其他的相關人才啦這個資源啦我們都到日本去投資重點是就像您剛剛說互相嘛對我們台灣到底有什麼幫助\n\n11\n00:03:49,608 --> 00:04:13,323\n我想這個是最重要的重點那同時我也要提醒這一次部長懷佑提到說我們在那裡也希望能夠培育人才不過我是覺得我們的培育的人才真的要為台灣所用部長來自於業界非常知道我們自己半導體也好或者是我們這些AI這樣這個理工科技人才也是人才荒所以我們怎麼樣讓我們台灣自己有這個人才甚至於留在這這是重要重點好嗎\n\n12\n00:04:14,344 --> 00:04:30,280\n我們在經濟部有一個二加四的計畫也就是說讓國外的人才來台灣學習兩年然後留在台灣的產業工作四年四年以後換另外一個身份繼續為台灣的企業打拚部長我想就是要留住人才這個重點\n\n13\n00:04:31,701 --> 00:04:39,884\n那另外我想承諾過的事情不管是部長、次長承諾過的事情我們就要做到那先前本席在質詢的時候曾經我們有要求臺電要成立外部停跳電事故調查委員會我想應該沒有忘記這件事情為什麼\n\n14\n00:04:47,486 --> 00:05:06,294\n因為之前我們大規模小規模跳電停電無數次了每一次你們端出來理由尤其是在本席的選區以及我們今天主席的選區桃園那個理由真的是笑掉人的大牙甚至有很多人是完全不相信所以我想到底實際是怎麼樣我不予置評我不會去講說你說的意思是謊話但是\n\n15\n00:05:07,594 --> 00:05:29,500\n你就成立一個外部停跳電事故調查委員會嘛這是一個公正第三方而且之前次長也說要成立但是本席看到你們現在僅僅就是在桃園跟我們的這個台電跟桃園市政府成立了一個桃園電力穩定專案小組我跟你講第一個這非常的弱第二個也不是當時本席所說要成立的那這個部分的話應該後面怎麼做\n\n16\n00:05:30,547 --> 00:05:54,873\n報告委員我想這個我們實際上是有在做啦台電是有持續在做只是沒有來跟委員做一個比較詳細的報告現在停調電不是只有桃園喔所以本席要求你成立這個外部停調電事故調查委員會這麼公正的第三方那有公正的第三方出來那將來講出來的理由我們也能相信嘛所以這個調查委員會什麼時候會成立呢\n\n17\n00:05:55,333 --> 00:06:10,265\n我們現在其實是有跟地方政府在合作啦我們基本上希望把那個可能跳電的紅區都圈出來我們現在台電已經都圈好了那麼我們勢必要在這個半年內把它全部的消除\n\n18\n00:06:10,825 --> 00:06:12,767\n但是有一些我們需要委員來回答我們\n\n19\n00:06:29,304 --> 00:06:33,568\n我想最後再一分鐘我們桃園我們要這個成立大型數據中心一律不合公點因為我們在北區但你給我們桃園什麼我想相關的這些空污啊污染啊尤其是SRF我特別今天在這裡提我想我們的召委我們主席也很關心這件事情\n\n20\n00:06:51,906 --> 00:07:15,094\n一開始桃園市政府為什麼會同意因為你經濟部給了推薦函那我們後來要撤銷的時候你經濟部曾經說過你會尊重桃園市政府但是顯然你沒有尊重桃園市政府啊所以我們現在要二次撤銷今天本席在這邊來請教部長對於桃園市政府SRF的二度撤銷入園那你怎麼看你支持桃園市政府的二度撤銷嗎我請教部長\n\n21\n00:07:18,247 --> 00:07:44,749\n這個我想地方政府跟業者的這個合法行為啦我想經濟部都支持那任何開發的行為都希望業者所對與地方溝通啦可是部長請你抬頭看著我不要看稿子好嗎請你抬頭看著我不要看稿子是對在我們桃園市政府二度撤銷3家SRF廠商入園許可這件事情你要怎麼處理你的態度是什麼我的部長請呃對不起後面那位請你離開\n\n22\n00:07:46,274 --> 00:08:15,216\n我想大家如果住在合法的情境我想就是按照這個規定的程序來進行什麼是規定的程序就是法定的程序什麼是法定的程序在這件事情上就是讓業者向這個台灣市政府申請所以台灣市政府就不同意啊台灣市政府現在是不同意的我想部長我要提醒你一件事情這件事情現在國外的投資者充分的關心這個命題\n\n23\n00:08:16,377 --> 00:08:25,204\n國外的投資者充分的關係我們就必須要屈從嗎?這個關鍵是非常重要的部長您講的我也同意但是這件事情不要給我討論市政府扣帽子當初如果不是經濟部推薦那我們不會同意但是呢你今天又還沒有gas在選舉前把這個推薦還收回去了我必須要提醒經濟部\n\n24\n00:08:38,775 --> 00:09:06,560\n今天SRF的廠商我不知道是要迫於就是給這個桃園市政府壓力還是有別的想法那現在也提出了國賠這個國賠未必是針對桃園市政府我想經濟部有相當的責任我們希望在會後找一個時間部長能夠跟本席我們好好討論一下關於桃園的SRF這個部分我們六位立委都非常關心那我們希望找一個時間部長能夠跟我們好好的來談一談我們後續怎麼尊重桃園市政府怎麼善後這個議題可以嗎\n\n25\n00:09:08,493 --> 00:09:10,561\n我想時間上可以的話我沒有問題好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10876\t11977\t謝謝主席,我們有請郭部長\n20424\t41330\t委員好部長好我終於見到你了因為本席在總質詢的時候您剛好又請假那一天其實本席準備了很多跟經濟部有關係的議題但是沒有辦法來質詢我覺得真的非常遺憾當然你已經一再的說明過了為什麼要請假那也是經過準價這個本席都沒有意見但是我必須要講就是說今天開議\n42270\t70852\t像我們身為委員我們也不會知道究竟是哪一天開議但我們會去推算在那個前後其實我們不太敢去排其他的事情因為總諮詢開議這個是最重要的事情這第一個那第二個呢我想部長其實你上任大概四個多月你就這個出訪有四次了那美國一次日本也去了三次那這一次去呢您去這個三次不管是參加什麼臺日科學對談啦也發表演說啦或者是這個參訪日本生技半導體廠商等等\n72073\t96732\t呃...\n96892\t112778\t如果大家同意我是會做下去這不是大家同不同意還是要看你的表現嘛對不對但是我是非常期許跟祝福因此要提醒部長之後您可能還會經歷很多個總諮詢麻煩以後在總諮詢之後請不要請假好嗎因為經濟部是非常重要的一個部會喔\n114159\t130350\t那再來您剛也說到這次去日本最主要是要去協助我們台灣的廠商在日本投資不管是創造更好的條件解決一些投資障礙或者是他的一些交通規劃人才培育等等都是您這次回來做的一個解釋跟說明那不過換句話說\n132411\t157125\t換句話說其實你是不是就等於是協助日本對台進行半套地廠商招商可以這麼講嘛日本對我們來招商我們的廠商去了那你過去做了一些協助那我想請教就是這次您去在吸引日本廠商來台灣投資的部分有沒有成績這第一個第二個您剛剛所說的要協助我們台灣的廠商在那個地方有什麼具體成效那第三個\n157685\t181439\t我們所謂的台商現在在那個地方那麼這一次我們是有增加訂單還是有什麼樣的一個成果我想30秒報告委員我去這一趟並不是只有半導體的這件事情我們有談其他的產業那我跟您報告一個產業我這次去主要談的是無人機的產業\n183254\t190636\t那麼這無人機的產業大概在2028年一年在日本有2000億台幣的這個市場那我談下來的結果就是這個2000億的市場將跟我們台灣的這個業者互相合作\n198959\t202804\t因為我們台灣在製造上面我們大量生產比較厲害所以日本他們會給我們這個你現在在說明我們還要去談無人機雙方的合作那我覺得這都是好事情\n214360\t226907\t那但是重點就是說那除了日本其實可以幫我們的半導體產業這個護國神山也好啦或者是其他的相關人才啦這個資源啦我們都到日本去投資重點是就像您剛剛說互相嘛對我們台灣到底有什麼幫助\n229608\t253323\t我想這個是最重要的重點那同時我也要提醒這一次部長懷佑提到說我們在那裡也希望能夠培育人才不過我是覺得我們的培育的人才真的要為台灣所用部長來自於業界非常知道我們自己半導體也好或者是我們這些AI這樣這個理工科技人才也是人才荒所以我們怎麼樣讓我們台灣自己有這個人才甚至於留在這這是重要重點好嗎\n254344\t270280\t我們在經濟部有一個二加四的計畫也就是說讓國外的人才來台灣學習兩年然後留在台灣的產業工作四年四年以後換另外一個身份繼續為台灣的企業打拚部長我想就是要留住人才這個重點\n271701\t279884\t那另外我想承諾過的事情不管是部長、次長承諾過的事情我們就要做到那先前本席在質詢的時候曾經我們有要求臺電要成立外部停跳電事故調查委員會我想應該沒有忘記這件事情為什麼\n287486\t306294\t因為之前我們大規模小規模跳電停電無數次了每一次你們端出來理由尤其是在本席的選區以及我們今天主席的選區桃園那個理由真的是笑掉人的大牙甚至有很多人是完全不相信所以我想到底實際是怎麼樣我不予置評我不會去講說你說的意思是謊話但是\n307594\t329500\t你就成立一個外部停跳電事故調查委員會嘛這是一個公正第三方而且之前次長也說要成立但是本席看到你們現在僅僅就是在桃園跟我們的這個台電跟桃園市政府成立了一個桃園電力穩定專案小組我跟你講第一個這非常的弱第二個也不是當時本席所說要成立的那這個部分的話應該後面怎麼做\n330547\t354873\t報告委員 我想這個我們實際上是有在做啦台電是有持續在做只是沒有來跟委員做一個比較詳細的報告現在停調電不是只有桃園喔所以本席要求你成立這個外部停調電事故調查委員會這麼公正的第三方那有公正的第三方出來那將來講出來的理由我們也能相信嘛所以這個調查委員會什麼時候會成立呢\n355333\t370265\t我們現在其實是有跟地方政府在合作啦我們基本上希望把那個可能跳電的紅區都圈出來我們現在台電已經都圈好了那麼我們勢必要在這個半年內把它全部的消除\n370825\t372767\t但是有一些我們需要委員來回答我們\n389304\t393568\t我想最後再一分鐘我們桃園我們要這個成立大型數據中心一律不合公點因為我們在北區但你給我們桃園什麼我想相關的這些空污啊 污染啊尤其是SRF我特別今天在這裡提我想我們的召委我們主席也很關心這件事情\n411906\t435094\t一開始桃園市政府為什麼會同意因為你經濟部給了推薦函那我們後來要撤銷的時候你經濟部曾經說過你會尊重桃園市政府但是顯然你沒有尊重桃園市政府啊所以我們現在要二次撤銷今天本席在這邊來請教部長對於桃園市政府SRF的二度撤銷入園那你怎麼看你支持桃園市政府的二度撤銷嗎我請教部長\n438247\t464749\t這個 我想地方政府跟業者的這個合法行為啦 我想經濟部都支持那 任何開發的行為都希望業者所對與地方溝通啦 可是部長 請你抬頭看著我 不要看稿子好嗎請你抬頭看著我 不要看稿子是對 在我們桃園市政府二度撤銷3家SRF廠商入園許可 這件事情你要怎麼處理 你的態度是什麼我的部長 請 呃 對不起 後面那位請你離開\n466274\t495216\t我想大家如果住在合法的情境我想就是按照這個規定的程序來進行什麼是規定的程序就是法定的程序什麼是法定的程序在這件事情上就是讓業者向這個台灣市政府申請所以台灣市政府就不同意啊台灣市政府現在是不同意的我想部長我要提醒你一件事情這件事情現在國外的投資者充分的關心這個命題\n496377\t505204\t國外的投資者充分的關係我們就必須要屈從嗎?這個關鍵是非常重要的部長您講的我也同意但是這件事情不要給我討論市政府扣帽子當初如果不是經濟部推薦那我們不會同意但是呢你今天又還沒有gas在選舉前把這個推薦還收回去了我必須要提醒經濟部\n518775\t546560\t今天SRF的廠商我不知道是要迫於就是給這個桃園市政府壓力還是有別的想法那現在也提出了國賠這個國賠未必是針對桃園市政府我想經濟部有相當的責任我們希望在會後找一個時間部長能夠跟本席我們好好討論一下關於桃園的SRF這個部分我們六位立委都非常關心那我們希望找一個時間部長能夠跟我們好好的來談一談我們後續怎麼尊重桃園市政府怎麼善後這個議題可以嗎\n548493\t550561\t我想時間上可以的話我沒有問題好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們有請郭部長\n委員好部長好我終於見到你了因為本席在總質詢的時候您剛好又請假那一天其實本席準備了很多跟經濟部有關係的議題但是沒有辦法來質詢我覺得真的非常遺憾當然你已經一再的說明過了為什麼要請假那也是經過準價這個本席都沒有意見但是我必須要講就是說今天開議\n像我們身為委員我們也不會知道究竟是哪一天開議但我們會去推算在那個前後其實我們不太敢去排其他的事情因為總諮詢開議這個是最重要的事情這第一個那第二個呢我想部長其實你上任大概四個多月你就這個出訪有四次了那美國一次日本也去了三次那這一次去呢您去這個三次不管是參加什麼臺日科學對談啦也發表演說啦或者是這個參訪日本生技半導體廠商等等\n呃...\n如果大家同意我是會做下去這不是大家同不同意還是要看你的表現嘛對不對但是我是非常期許跟祝福因此要提醒部長之後您可能還會經歷很多個總諮詢麻煩以後在總諮詢之後請不要請假好嗎因為經濟部是非常重要的一個部會喔\n那再來您剛也說到這次去日本最主要是要去協助我們台灣的廠商在日本投資不管是創造更好的條件解決一些投資障礙或者是他的一些交通規劃人才培育等等都是您這次回來做的一個解釋跟說明那不過換句話說\n換句話說其實你是不是就等於是協助日本對台進行半套地廠商招商可以這麼講嘛日本對我們來招商我們的廠商去了那你過去做了一些協助那我想請教就是這次您去在吸引日本廠商來台灣投資的部分有沒有成績這第一個第二個您剛剛所說的要協助我們台灣的廠商在那個地方有什麼具體成效那第三個\n我們所謂的台商現在在那個地方那麼這一次我們是有增加訂單還是有什麼樣的一個成果我想30秒報告委員我去這一趟並不是只有半導體的這件事情我們有談其他的產業那我跟您報告一個產業我這次去主要談的是無人機的產業\n那麼這無人機的產業大概在2028年一年在日本有2000億台幣的這個市場那我談下來的結果就是這個2000億的市場將跟我們台灣的這個業者互相合作\n因為我們台灣在製造上面我們大量生產比較厲害所以日本他們會給我們這個你現在在說明我們還要去談無人機雙方的合作那我覺得這都是好事情\n那但是重點就是說那除了日本其實可以幫我們的半導體產業這個護國神山也好啦或者是其他的相關人才啦這個資源啦我們都到日本去投資重點是就像您剛剛說互相嘛對我們台灣到底有什麼幫助\n我想這個是最重要的重點那同時我也要提醒這一次部長懷佑提到說我們在那裡也希望能夠培育人才不過我是覺得我們的培育的人才真的要為台灣所用部長來自於業界非常知道我們自己半導體也好或者是我們這些AI這樣這個理工科技人才也是人才荒所以我們怎麼樣讓我們台灣自己有這個人才甚至於留在這這是重要重點好嗎\n我們在經濟部有一個二加四的計畫也就是說讓國外的人才來台灣學習兩年然後留在台灣的產業工作四年四年以後換另外一個身份繼續為台灣的企業打拚部長我想就是要留住人才這個重點\n那另外我想承諾過的事情不管是部長、次長承諾過的事情我們就要做到那先前本席在質詢的時候曾經我們有要求臺電要成立外部停跳電事故調查委員會我想應該沒有忘記這件事情為什麼\n因為之前我們大規模小規模跳電停電無數次了每一次你們端出來理由尤其是在本席的選區以及我們今天主席的選區桃園那個理由真的是笑掉人的大牙甚至有很多人是完全不相信所以我想到底實際是怎麼樣我不予置評我不會去講說你說的意思是謊話但是\n你就成立一個外部停跳電事故調查委員會嘛這是一個公正第三方而且之前次長也說要成立但是本席看到你們現在僅僅就是在桃園跟我們的這個台電跟桃園市政府成立了一個桃園電力穩定專案小組我跟你講第一個這非常的弱第二個也不是當時本席所說要成立的那這個部分的話應該後面怎麼做\n報告委員 我想這個我們實際上是有在做啦台電是有持續在做只是沒有來跟委員做一個比較詳細的報告現在停調電不是只有桃園喔所以本席要求你成立這個外部停調電事故調查委員會這麼公正的第三方那有公正的第三方出來那將來講出來的理由我們也能相信嘛所以這個調查委員會什麼時候會成立呢\n我們現在其實是有跟地方政府在合作啦我們基本上希望把那個可能跳電的紅區都圈出來我們現在台電已經都圈好了那麼我們勢必要在這個半年內把它全部的消除\n但是有一些我們需要委員來回答我們\n我想最後再一分鐘我們桃園我們要這個成立大型數據中心一律不合公點因為我們在北區但你給我們桃園什麼我想相關的這些空污啊 污染啊尤其是SRF我特別今天在這裡提我想我們的召委我們主席也很關心這件事情\n一開始桃園市政府為什麼會同意因為你經濟部給了推薦函那我們後來要撤銷的時候你經濟部曾經說過你會尊重桃園市政府但是顯然你沒有尊重桃園市政府啊所以我們現在要二次撤銷今天本席在這邊來請教部長對於桃園市政府SRF的二度撤銷入園那你怎麼看你支持桃園市政府的二度撤銷嗎我請教部長\n這個 我想地方政府跟業者的這個合法行為啦 我想經濟部都支持那 任何開發的行為都希望業者所對與地方溝通啦 可是部長 請你抬頭看著我 不要看稿子好嗎請你抬頭看著我 不要看稿子是對 在我們桃園市政府二度撤銷3家SRF廠商入園許可 這件事情你要怎麼處理 你的態度是什麼我的部長 請 呃 對不起 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