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局長您好我想前兩天中共實施聯合立見的環台軍演其實也造成國內民眾的大家人心惶惶本席是有看見賴清德總統的臉書上面有PO了一個召開國安高層的會議照片\n當中的局長和國防部部長、院長其實都在會議當中可是我在這邊想請教就是不知道你們有沒有討論出什麼結果你們要如何殺出重圍然後要怎麼樣突破中共對台灣的封鎖\n有,跟委員說明一下因為這次的演習大概事前都有做一些情資的分析跟研判那也大概都知道在哪個時間點可能會發動怎麼樣的演習所以當天在國安高層會議的內容當中各單位都有做相關的提報那總統也有做指財式來又對外說明\n是,我不知道你們會不會都是一些文人在談如何這個突破這個第一次封鎖在現場沒有看到好像有這個我們高階的將領在場參與討論沒有,因為這個會議的現場是國安高層會議那主要是國防部長\n國防部長來開會之前已經在國軍召開會議\n這類的會議你們能夠有多點專業人士少點政治人物的口水在裡面那接下來我想下一個議題就是最近呢其實行政院已經開始採取一連串的彌防措施那麼從昨天在高中發這個年輕\n前陣子也有傳出後備指揮部跟地方宮廟簽署彈藥預囤點的協議所以本席要問的就是說在宮廟放彈藥這件事情安全嗎合法嗎這是應該國防部有對外說明他們有對外說明的是並沒有所謂存放彈藥這件事情\n所以在暫時的這個存放彈藥的這個議題安全嗎從國安的角度來看難道這件事情不重要嗎只有國家安全重要人民的生命財產安全都很重要嗎那接下來我想請教的就是說您知道我們近年來好在這個彈藥庫曾經發生過我們的彈藥庫發生爆炸意外事件有多少件\n我希望這不只是國安國防部的問題其實國安單位也要知道那本席在這邊告訴你我們這個有看了一個統計資料軍方在30年來彈藥庫的爆炸事件發生24件24次的事件有20人死亡89人輕重傷這其中還不包括這中間有搬運彈藥等等這些所發生的意外的傷害所以本席要講就是說其實在宮廟存放彈藥\n就安全性來講這是極其危險的不知道你們有沒有實際上告訴這些已經簽訂公廟協定的這些公廟主知道有這樣的一個狀況因為這是國防部的夜館我們還是尊重他們的一些評估跟規劃這是一個國安高層這個會議它是涵蓋這些民防軍防等等這些全部都在內的所以我希望國安局要重視這些事情那接下來我們再看一下如果從法律的角度來講\n根本不應該發聲可以在公廟存放彈藥從全民防衛動員準備法第29條裡面的規定就很清楚像圖書館療養院其他慈善機構的場所建築物設備還有人民日常生活所需的這些常會接觸到的設備就不應該存放然後接下來在國際法上同樣的在日內瓦公約裡面清清楚楚的講就是居民要區分原則有一個居民區分原則所以呢\n民用物體還包含像對文物、宗教禮拜場所等等這些保護這是國家要做的事情民用物體不應該成為被攻擊、被報復的對象所以如果當我們的宗教場所、學校或是其他的慈善用途場所被利用為軍事用途的時候就可能成為軍事攻擊的目標\n對,國防部有說明說他們沒有說要去存放是,所以國安都沒有意見,國安局都沒有意見這事情我真的覺得很可思議,這是整個國安的一環那接下來我要再講我後來理解這不是國防部的政策我還必須要說的就是說,如果說是\n在宮廟存放彈藥是這麼危險的事情當我們的學生可能未來被利用成為軍事攻擊目標的時候這件事情難道不應該要向民眾講清楚嗎要把這個事實的嚴重性要講清楚不要忘記了這聯合國他雖然說譴責哈馬斯這個有攻擊平民可是\n哈馬斯也是說我攻擊的對象也都是軍事對象都是軍事目標所以這個部分的話希望國安高層在研商相關的議題的時候不能夠只是說由國防部我不知道賴部長我不知道顧立雄顧部長他到底了不了解相關的法律的問題還有軍事安全還有人民安全的問題\n我們都必須要在國安高層會議的時候還有國安局也應該要提出你們的意見而不應該怠惰所以我們不希望當公廟未來成為人肉盾牌需要進行的檢討公廟存放戰略和法制一句話而已就是跟我們說明一下全社會的防衛韌性跟全民接兵要去打仗這是兩個不同的概念那一混淆的話會造成一些不必要的社會恐慌事實上就是你們在混淆沒有這是社會韌性的問題你們在混淆你們在模糊那個界線\n對﹖\n對,跟委員講的,全社會熱心這是現在國際社會在俄羅斯戰爭中高度關注的議題,但不要把它講成是...但是沒有像台灣這麼的危險,這個民進黨政府執政以來已經造成台灣已經成為全世界最危險的地方,而且它是民眾戰委,所以這個議題對我們來說很重要,我希望就是官員也能夠在盡快一個禮拜時間給我一個有關於法律的評估報告。\n必戰是我們最優先的主要原則謝謝委員提醒\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:02.273\n局長沒有開喔這可能沒有電來局長請\n\n00:08.720 --> 00:29.736\n謝謝主席翁委員好是局長您好我想前兩天中共實施聯合立見的環台軍演其實也造成國內民眾的大家人心惶惶本席是有看見賴清德總統的臉書上面有PO了一個召開國安高層的會議照片\n\n00:30.877 --> 00:46.879\n當中的局長和國防部部長、院長其實都在會議當中可是我在這邊想請教就是不知道你們有沒有討論出什麼結果你們要如何殺出重圍然後要怎麼樣突破中共對台灣的封鎖\n\n00:47.600 --> 01:04.672\n有,跟委員說明一下因為這次的演習大概事前都有做一些情資的分析跟研判那也大概都知道在哪個時間點可能會發動怎麼樣的演習所以當天在國安高層會議的內容當中各單位都有做相關的提報那總統也有做指財式來又對外說明\n\n01:04.972 --> 01:16.824\n是,我不知道你們會不會都是一些文人在談如何這個突破這個第一次封鎖在現場沒有看到好像有這個我們高階的將領在場參與討論沒有,因為這個會議的現場是國安高層會議那主要是國防部長\n\n01:23.050 --> 01:23.971\n國防部長來開會之前已經在國軍召開會議\n\n01:45.488 --> 02:01.425\n這類的會議你們能夠有多點專業人士少點政治人物的口水在裡面那接下來我想下一個議題就是最近呢其實行政院已經開始採取一連串的彌防措施那麼從昨天在高中發這個年輕\n\n02:02.546 --> 02:09.409\n前陣子也有傳出後備指揮部跟地方宮廟簽署彈藥預囤點的協議所以本席要問的就是說在宮廟放彈藥這件事情安全嗎合法嗎這是應該國防部有對外說明他們有對外說明的是並沒有所謂存放彈藥這件事情\n\n02:25.714 --> 02:51.804\n所以在暫時的這個存放彈藥的這個議題安全嗎從國安的角度來看難道這件事情不重要嗎只有國家安全重要人民的生命財產安全都很重要嗎那接下來我想請教的就是說您知道我們近年來好在這個彈藥庫曾經發生過我們的彈藥庫發生爆炸意外事件有多少件\n\n02:52.489 --> 03:19.041\n我希望這不只是國安國防部的問題其實國安單位也要知道那本席在這邊告訴你我們這個有看了一個統計資料軍方在30年來彈藥庫的爆炸事件發生24件24次的事件有20人死亡89人輕重傷這其中還不包括這中間有搬運彈藥等等這些所發生的意外的傷害所以本席要講就是說其實在宮廟存放彈藥\n\n03:20.242 --> 03:47.002\n就安全性來講這是極其危險的不知道你們有沒有實際上告訴這些已經簽訂公廟協定的這些公廟主知道有這樣的一個狀況因為這是國防部的夜館我們還是尊重他們的一些評估跟規劃這是一個國安高層這個會議它是涵蓋這些民防軍防等等這些全部都在內的所以我希望國安局要重視這些事情那接下來我們再看一下如果從法律的角度來講\n\n03:48.163 --> 04:17.439\n根本不應該發聲可以在公廟存放彈藥從全民防衛動員準備法第29條裡面的規定就很清楚像圖書館療養院其他慈善機構的場所建築物設備還有人民日常生活所需的這些常會接觸到的設備就不應該存放然後接下來在國際法上同樣的在日內瓦公約裡面清清楚楚的講就是居民要區分原則有一個居民區分原則所以呢\n\n04:17.799 --> 04:38.354\n民用物體還包含像對文物、宗教禮拜場所等等這些保護這是國家要做的事情民用物體不應該成為被攻擊、被報復的對象所以如果當我們的宗教場所、學校或是其他的慈善用途場所被利用為軍事用途的時候就可能成為軍事攻擊的目標\n\n04:40.336 --> 04:56.303\n對,國防部有說明說他們沒有說要去存放是,所以國安都沒有意見,國安局都沒有意見這事情我真的覺得很可思議,這是整個國安的一環那接下來我要再講我後來理解這不是國防部的政策我還必須要說的就是說,如果說是\n\n04:57.904 --> 05:19.532\n在宮廟存放彈藥是這麼危險的事情當我們的學生可能未來被利用成為軍事攻擊目標的時候這件事情難道不應該要向民眾講清楚嗎要把這個事實的嚴重性要講清楚不要忘記了這聯合國他雖然說譴責哈馬斯這個有攻擊平民可是\n\n05:19.912 --> 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