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00:00:54,502\n這個出境的觀光人數持續的跟入境持續的逆差那我有請周署長上一次到我辦公室拜會的時候我有請你就這一個問題到底在就我一直在強調這個我們要解決一個問題也就是說大家說國旅不好\n\n3\n00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:10,223\n那入境旅客也沒有辦法達到疫情前如果你從這個統計表就可以看得到這個中間中間這一節是疫情我們就姑且不論\n\n4\n00:01:11,872 --> 00:01:40,048\n疫情前跟疫情後哪怕疫後大概也一兩年的時間了嘛所以呢這個數字的回復的狀況並沒有辦法達到疫前所以普遍啊觀光業者觀光產業普遍這兩年這個哀鴻遍野大家很多的這個對於這個觀光業的產業的發展大家存在很大的危機感那我有請\n\n5\n00:01:42,184 --> 00:01:59,248\n署裡面做一個基本的研究也就是我一直覺得要對症下藥才有辦法來面對觀光產業的問題那我不知道這個署裡面有沒有已經做出因為已經過了好幾個月了你們認為觀光產業現在的狀況為什麼會差\n\n6\n00:02:06,664 --> 00:02:09,646\n主要是我們的國旅的部分我們預判今年應該可以人次可以恢復到這個疫情前\n\n7\n00:02:24,033 --> 00:02:45,605\n但是我們的這個住宿的部分可能還沒辦法達到也就是說我們現在一日遊還是佔百分之這個70就是留宿的部分比較少那外來來台觀光旅客我們的目標是年底要達到1000萬那現在大概到10月初是600萬\n\n8\n00:02:47,006 --> 00:02:52,690\n我們的目標還是沒變但是確實不可抗力的因素有幾個那第一個是地震第二個是颱風第三個是軍演那這三個因素確實受到影響\n\n9\n00:03:08,900 --> 00:03:10,221\n貿易貿易貿易貿易貿易\n\n10\n00:03:23,951 --> 00:03:24,271\n蔡其昌\n\n11\n00:03:48,897 --> 00:03:48,917\n韓國出鏡\n\n12\n00:04:05,193 --> 00:04:33,083\n那截至到目前為止他的出鏡也是入鏡少出鏡多這個是一個各國不同的因素是讓我花一點時間讓你講是因為這個我還是覺得在這個所謂問題的掌握上剛剛我聽到的你認為這個來台旅客人數少主要原因是大環境的因素啦譬如說你提到軍演\n\n13\n00:04:34,144 --> 00:04:58,150\n你提到地震還有一個是颱風還有匯率那如果照這個邏輯因為我們做措施是為了解決問題也就是我們端出政策是為了解決問題那上述這四個看起來都不是你觀光局可以解決的對不對\n\n14\n00:04:59,258 --> 00:04:59,318\n蔡其昌\n\n15\n00:05:17,523 --> 00:05:37,169\n台灣不是地震不是今年剛發生嘛,地震每一年都有啊,而且地震很頻繁在台灣,就像日本地震也很頻繁,但它無法阻止台灣旅客瘋狂的跑到日本去。那一樣的道理,台風,日本的台風我覺得以這兩年來看,日本的台風還比台灣更多。\n\n16\n00:05:38,772 --> 00:05:58,687\n那第三個這個軍演軍演我看也不是今年嘛而且以軍演的角度來看以最近這次軍演台灣股市也不受任何影響他軍演他的台灣股市還是照漲所以我的意思是說如果以這個客觀因素就光光數去理解到這個\n\n17\n00:06:00,829 --> 00:06:23,666\n路徑旅客減少如果是把這個當成重要目標這是第一個我認為我其實是不是太能夠接受那第二個我反推啦因為我不知道你沒有給我這個詳細數據的報告到底為什麼那我反推我從你的政策來反推譬如說你現在吼這個叫做第四季的加碼措施\n\n18\n00:06:24,446 --> 00:06:50,318\n也就是外國團客你發了獎助也就是說來台補助譬如說來台灣住幾天的美團獎助金一萬八到四十九人提高美團獎助金三萬五十人以上美團獎助金四萬換言之觀光局在這一個問題這一個政策我的理解是認為來台灣旅行太貴\n\n19\n00:06:52,312 --> 00:07:18,307\n因為太貴所以我政府端出的一個政策我就是我幫你補貼我的理解啦每一個政策背後他一定有問題要解決嘛那你推出這個現金補貼其實就是象徵著台灣太貴啦外國人站不來所以我就發獎金鼓勵他來這個是一個嘛第二個我看你找了這個\n\n20\n00:07:20,607 --> 00:07:21,731\n這個SA的成員歸選來代言台灣觀光\n\n21\n00:07:25,236 --> 00:07:51,869\n那找一個韓國的代言韓國的明星代言換言之我背後理解這個政策的目的是你要第一個要攻韓國的市場第二個你認為韓國台灣在韓國人心目當中可能知名度尚不足所以我要找一個代言人知名度很高的代言人韓國人很熟悉的一個明星一個人物他來代言然後讓韓國人更知道台灣\n\n22\n00:07:53,499 --> 00:07:58,664\n看起來你推這些政策跟你的客觀分析好像也有點落差\n\n23\n00:07:59,315 --> 00:08:26,352\n譬如說你應該告訴我說臺灣太貴所以我們交通部的政策就是現金補貼你應該告訴我說臺灣觀光景點在韓國人心目當中很模糊所以我就找了韓星來代言我為了讓韓國人更加了解臺灣觀光的特色不然這個政策跟你分析給我聽為什麼觀光客不來臺灣這兩者之間我沒有辦法把它連結起來蘇長你懂我的意思嗎\n\n24\n00:08:26,772 --> 00:08:45,515\n是委員是專家但是我也利用這個機會跟大家報告一下跟委員報告一下就是一些優惠的措施對旅行社來講他們其實還是有些平價的市場那這個各國都有一些措施那第二個我們代言的時候也是有市場區隔\n\n25\n00:08:46,576 --> 00:08:47,337\n韓國人就是女生來得少\n\n26\n00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:31,223\n但是韓國人又女生出國的觀光客其實很大量很大那因為來台灣的少為什麼所以你們找了一個韓國女生很愛的男星來代言說要不要跟我去台灣玩舉例我不知道你們廣告內容是什麼所以這個叫解決問題所以本席只是告訴你說我不知道你如何對於看待觀光署如何看待\n\n27\n00:09:32,401 --> 00:10:00,875\n到底外國觀光客來臺我們沒有辦法回到疫情前那個報告到底是什麼本席很想了解嘛你有那個報告你針對這個報告提預算本席一定全力支持嘛所以我講過我對你的內容我沒有任何反駁我也不覺得這個沒有什麼我沒有什麼特別意見但是我的意思是說你要讓我們作為一個監督者監督交通部我要很清楚知道你們交通部抓到的問題是什麼\n\n28\n00:10:02,472 --> 00:10:28,933\n那我還是建議交通部不要再提那個客那些什麼大環境那個啦就是說日本人就有地震地震那麼多人家就不會人數就不會少而且日本客嚇死了叫大家不要來了日本太多客人了對不對所以這個我是覺得提這個又會討罵而已嘛所以我們就針對我們觀察我們統計到因為所有data都在都在書裡面嘛我們書裡面掌握到這些data不同的市場不同的說法我們對症下藥好\n\n29\n00:10:31,235 --> 00:10:54,944\n那我接下來我只問說這個請龜賢到代言那我們做了什麼事情對就我們請他做了什麼事因為我只好像看到只有記者會吧記者會是開始做對接下來因為我們是前面的前置作業包括的市場調查領選對然後再來的話他們就是在我們在韓國市場裡面他也來台灣拍實際的\n\n30\n00:10:56,244 --> 00:10:57,185\n韓國的市場明年你們的預估可以成長多少?\n\n31\n00:11:24,903 --> 00:11:48,459\n韓國跟日本是我們臺灣一個非常重要的市場那我們第一個目標是要恢復到疫情之前所以現在我們基本上啦臺灣應該有能量日本跟韓國這兩個市場來臺灣都應該可以達到200萬人次疫情前是200萬嘛韓國還不到所以你現在希望明年的目標韓國就200萬我們還是往這個目標走\n\n32\n00:11:52,783 --> 00:12:15,163\n韓國200萬這個目標管理要很清楚這樣我們才有辦法監督啊不然我們大家都在閒聊而已嘛所以我就抓你明天200萬明天我還會問你這個200萬達成沒有所以我們在去年11月成立了釜山辦事處目的也在這裡好沒問題啦就是你給我一個目標我來監督管理然後督促公安署在做這些事情是部長這樣可以啦好OK謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3792\t8596\t謝謝主席請陳部長、觀光署、周署長部長早、署長早今天還是就觀光的問題就叫交通部我看了一下統計的數據\n30947\t54502\t這個出境的觀光人數持續的跟入境持續的逆差那我有請周署長上一次到我辦公室拜會的時候我有請你就這一個問題到底在就我一直在強調這個我們要解決一個問題也就是說大家說國旅不好\n55680\t70223\t那入境旅客也沒有辦法達到疫情前如果你從這個統計表就可以看得到這個中間中間這一節是疫情我們就姑且不論\n71872\t100048\t疫情前跟疫情後哪怕疫後大概也一兩年的時間了嘛所以呢這個數字的回復的狀況並沒有辦法達到疫前所以普遍啊觀光業者觀光產業普遍這兩年這個哀鴻遍野大家很多的這個對於這個觀光業的產業的發展大家存在很大的危機感那我有請\n102184\t119248\t署裡面做一個基本的研究也就是我一直覺得要對症下藥才有辦法來面對觀光產業的問題那我不知道這個署裡面有沒有已經做出因為已經過了好幾個月了你們認為觀光產業現在的狀況為什麼會差\n126664\t129646\t主要是我們的國旅的部分我們預判今年應該可以人次可以恢復到這個疫情前\n144033\t165605\t但是我們的這個住宿的部分可能還沒辦法達到也就是說我們現在一日遊還是佔百分之這個70就是留宿的部分比較少那外來來台觀光旅客我們的目標是年底要達到1000萬那現在大概到10月初是600萬\n167006\t172690\t我們的目標還是沒變但是確實不可抗力的因素有幾個那第一個是地震第二個是颱風第三個是軍演那這三個因素確實受到影響\n188900\t190221\t貿易貿易貿易貿易貿易\n203951\t204271\t蔡其昌\n228897\t228917\t韓國出鏡\n245193\t273083\t那截至到目前為止他的出鏡也是入鏡少出鏡多這個是一個各國不同的因素是讓我花一點時間讓你講是因為這個我還是覺得在這個所謂問題的掌握上剛剛我聽到的你認為這個來台旅客人數少主要原因是大環境的因素啦譬如說你提到軍演\n274144\t298150\t你提到地震還有一個是颱風還有匯率那如果照這個邏輯因為我們做措施是為了解決問題也就是我們端出政策是為了解決問題那上述這四個看起來都不是你觀光局可以解決的對不對\n299258\t299318\t蔡其昌\n317523\t337169\t台灣不是地震不是今年剛發生嘛,地震每一年都有啊,而且地震很頻繁在台灣,就像日本地震也很頻繁,但它無法阻止台灣旅客瘋狂的跑到日本去。那一樣的道理,台風,日本的台風我覺得以這兩年來看,日本的台風還比台灣更多。\n338772\t358687\t那第三個這個軍演軍演我看也不是今年嘛而且以軍演的角度來看以最近這次軍演台灣股市也不受任何影響他軍演他的台灣股市還是照漲所以我的意思是說如果以這個客觀因素就光光數去理解到這個\n360829\t383666\t路徑旅客減少如果是把這個當成重要目標這是第一個我認為我其實是不是太能夠接受那第二個我反推啦因為我不知道你沒有給我這個詳細數據的報告到底為什麼那我反推我從你的政策來反推譬如說你現在吼這個叫做第四季的加碼措施\n384446\t410318\t也就是外國團客你發了獎助也就是說來台補助譬如說來台灣住幾天的美團獎助金一萬八到四十九人提高美團獎助金三萬五十人以上美團獎助金四萬換言之觀光局在這一個問題這一個政策我的理解是認為來台灣旅行太貴\n412312\t438307\t因為太貴所以我政府端出的一個政策我就是我幫你補貼我的理解啦每一個政策背後他一定有問題要解決嘛那你推出這個現金補貼其實就是象徵著台灣太貴啦外國人站不來所以我就發獎金鼓勵他來這個是一個嘛第二個我看你找了這個\n440607\t441731\t這個SA的成員歸選來代言台灣觀光\n445236\t471869\t那找一個韓國的代言韓國的明星代言換言之我背後理解這個政策的目的是你要第一個要攻韓國的市場第二個你認為韓國台灣在韓國人心目當中可能知名度尚不足所以我要找一個代言人知名度很高的代言人韓國人很熟悉的一個明星一個人物他來代言然後讓韓國人更知道台灣\n473499\t478664\t看起來你推這些政策跟你的客觀分析好像也有點落差\n479315\t506352\t譬如說你應該告訴我說臺灣太貴所以我們交通部的政策就是現金補貼你應該告訴我說臺灣觀光景點在韓國人心目當中很模糊所以我就找了韓星來代言我為了讓韓國人更加了解臺灣觀光的特色不然這個政策跟你分析給我聽為什麼觀光客不來臺灣這兩者之間我沒有辦法把它連結起來蘇長你懂我的意思嗎\n506772\t525515\t是委員是專家但是我也利用這個機會跟大家報告一下跟委員報告一下就是一些優惠的措施對旅行社來講他們其實還是有些平價的市場那這個各國都有一些措施那第二個我們代言的時候也是有市場區隔\n526576\t527337\t韓國人就是女生來得少\n545712\t571223\t但是韓國人又女生出國的觀光客其實很大量很大那因為來台灣的少為什麼所以你們找了一個韓國女生很愛的男星來代言說要不要跟我去台灣玩舉例我不知道你們廣告內容是什麼所以這個叫解決問題所以本席只是告訴你說我不知道你如何對於看待觀光署如何看待\n572401\t600875\t到底外國觀光客來臺我們沒有辦法回到疫情前那個報告到底是什麼本席很想了解嘛你有那個報告你針對這個報告提預算本席一定全力支持嘛所以我講過我對你的內容我沒有任何反駁我也不覺得這個沒有什麼我沒有什麼特別意見但是我的意思是說你要讓我們作為一個監督者監督交通部我要很清楚知道你們交通部抓到的問題是什麼\n602472\t628933\t那我還是建議交通部不要再提那個客那些什麼大環境那個啦就是說日本人就有地震地震那麼多人家就不會人數就不會少而且日本客嚇死了叫大家不要來了日本太多客人了對不對所以這個我是覺得提這個又會討罵而已嘛所以我們就針對我們觀察我們統計到因為所有data都在都在書裡面嘛我們書裡面掌握到這些data不同的市場不同的說法我們對症下藥好\n631235\t654944\t那我接下來我只問說這個請龜賢到代言那我們做了什麼事情對就我們請他做了什麼事因為我只好像看到只有記者會吧記者會是開始做對接下來因為我們是前面的前置作業包括的市場調查領選對然後再來的話他們就是在我們在韓國市場裡面他也來台灣拍實際的\n656244\t657185\t韓國的市場明年你們的預估可以成長多少?\n684903\t708459\t韓國跟日本是我們臺灣一個非常重要的市場那我們第一個目標是要恢復到疫情之前所以現在我們基本上啦臺灣應該有能量日本跟韓國這兩個市場來臺灣都應該可以達到200萬人次疫情前是200萬嘛韓國還不到所以你現在希望明年的目標韓國就200萬我們還是往這個目標走\n712783\t735163\t韓國200萬這個目標管理要很清楚這樣我們才有辦法監督啊不然我們大家都在閒聊而已嘛所以我就抓你明天200萬明天我還會問你這個200萬達成沒有所以我們在去年11月成立了釜山辦事處目的也在這裡好沒問題啦就是你給我一個目標我來監督管理然後督促公安署在做這些事情是部長這樣可以啦好OK謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席請陳部長、觀光署、周署長部長早、署長早今天還是就觀光的問題就叫交通部我看了一下統計的數據\n這個出境的觀光人數持續的跟入境持續的逆差那我有請周署長上一次到我辦公室拜會的時候我有請你就這一個問題到底在就我一直在強調這個我們要解決一個問題也就是說大家說國旅不好\n那入境旅客也沒有辦法達到疫情前如果你從這個統計表就可以看得到這個中間中間這一節是疫情我們就姑且不論\n疫情前跟疫情後哪怕疫後大概也一兩年的時間了嘛所以呢這個數字的回復的狀況並沒有辦法達到疫前所以普遍啊觀光業者觀光產業普遍這兩年這個哀鴻遍野大家很多的這個對於這個觀光業的產業的發展大家存在很大的危機感那我有請\n署裡面做一個基本的研究也就是我一直覺得要對症下藥才有辦法來面對觀光產業的問題那我不知道這個署裡面有沒有已經做出因為已經過了好幾個月了你們認為觀光產業現在的狀況為什麼會差\n主要是我們的國旅的部分我們預判今年應該可以人次可以恢復到這個疫情前\n但是我們的這個住宿的部分可能還沒辦法達到也就是說我們現在一日遊還是佔百分之這個70就是留宿的部分比較少那外來來台觀光旅客我們的目標是年底要達到1000萬那現在大概到10月初是600萬\n我們的目標還是沒變但是確實不可抗力的因素有幾個那第一個是地震第二個是颱風第三個是軍演那這三個因素確實受到影響\n貿易貿易貿易貿易貿易\n蔡其昌\n韓國出鏡\n那截至到目前為止他的出鏡也是入鏡少出鏡多這個是一個各國不同的因素是讓我花一點時間讓你講是因為這個我還是覺得在這個所謂問題的掌握上剛剛我聽到的你認為這個來台旅客人數少主要原因是大環境的因素啦譬如說你提到軍演\n你提到地震還有一個是颱風還有匯率那如果照這個邏輯因為我們做措施是為了解決問題也就是我們端出政策是為了解決問題那上述這四個看起來都不是你觀光局可以解決的對不對\n蔡其昌\n台灣不是地震不是今年剛發生嘛,地震每一年都有啊,而且地震很頻繁在台灣,就像日本地震也很頻繁,但它無法阻止台灣旅客瘋狂的跑到日本去。那一樣的道理,台風,日本的台風我覺得以這兩年來看,日本的台風還比台灣更多。\n那第三個這個軍演軍演我看也不是今年嘛而且以軍演的角度來看以最近這次軍演台灣股市也不受任何影響他軍演他的台灣股市還是照漲所以我的意思是說如果以這個客觀因素就光光數去理解到這個\n路徑旅客減少如果是把這個當成重要目標這是第一個我認為我其實是不是太能夠接受那第二個我反推啦因為我不知道你沒有給我這個詳細數據的報告到底為什麼那我反推我從你的政策來反推譬如說你現在吼這個叫做第四季的加碼措施\n也就是外國團客你發了獎助也就是說來台補助譬如說來台灣住幾天的美團獎助金一萬八到四十九人提高美團獎助金三萬五十人以上美團獎助金四萬換言之觀光局在這一個問題這一個政策我的理解是認為來台灣旅行太貴\n因為太貴所以我政府端出的一個政策我就是我幫你補貼我的理解啦每一個政策背後他一定有問題要解決嘛那你推出這個現金補貼其實就是象徵著台灣太貴啦外國人站不來所以我就發獎金鼓勵他來這個是一個嘛第二個我看你找了這個\n這個SA的成員歸選來代言台灣觀光\n那找一個韓國的代言韓國的明星代言換言之我背後理解這個政策的目的是你要第一個要攻韓國的市場第二個你認為韓國台灣在韓國人心目當中可能知名度尚不足所以我要找一個代言人知名度很高的代言人韓國人很熟悉的一個明星一個人物他來代言然後讓韓國人更知道台灣\n看起來你推這些政策跟你的客觀分析好像也有點落差\n譬如說你應該告訴我說臺灣太貴所以我們交通部的政策就是現金補貼你應該告訴我說臺灣觀光景點在韓國人心目當中很模糊所以我就找了韓星來代言我為了讓韓國人更加了解臺灣觀光的特色不然這個政策跟你分析給我聽為什麼觀光客不來臺灣這兩者之間我沒有辦法把它連結起來蘇長你懂我的意思嗎\n是委員是專家但是我也利用這個機會跟大家報告一下跟委員報告一下就是一些優惠的措施對旅行社來講他們其實還是有些平價的市場那這個各國都有一些措施那第二個我們代言的時候也是有市場區隔\n韓國人就是女生來得少\n但是韓國人又女生出國的觀光客其實很大量很大那因為來台灣的少為什麼所以你們找了一個韓國女生很愛的男星來代言說要不要跟我去台灣玩舉例我不知道你們廣告內容是什麼所以這個叫解決問題所以本席只是告訴你說我不知道你如何對於看待觀光署如何看待\n到底外國觀光客來臺我們沒有辦法回到疫情前那個報告到底是什麼本席很想了解嘛你有那個報告你針對這個報告提預算本席一定全力支持嘛所以我講過我對你的內容我沒有任何反駁我也不覺得這個沒有什麼我沒有什麼特別意見但是我的意思是說你要讓我們作為一個監督者監督交通部我要很清楚知道你們交通部抓到的問題是什麼\n那我還是建議交通部不要再提那個客那些什麼大環境那個啦就是說日本人就有地震地震那麼多人家就不會人數就不會少而且日本客嚇死了叫大家不要來了日本太多客人了對不對所以這個我是覺得提這個又會討罵而已嘛所以我們就針對我們觀察我們統計到因為所有data都在都在書裡面嘛我們書裡面掌握到這些data不同的市場不同的說法我們對症下藥好\n那我接下來我只問說這個請龜賢到代言那我們做了什麼事情對就我們請他做了什麼事因為我只好像看到只有記者會吧記者會是開始做對接下來因為我們是前面的前置作業包括的市場調查領選對然後再來的話他們就是在我們在韓國市場裡面他也來台灣拍實際的\n韓國的市場明年你們的預估可以成長多少?\n韓國跟日本是我們臺灣一個非常重要的市場那我們第一個目標是要恢復到疫情之前所以現在我們基本上啦臺灣應該有能量日本跟韓國這兩個市場來臺灣都應該可以達到200萬人次疫情前是200萬嘛韓國還不到所以你現在希望明年的目標韓國就200萬我們還是往這個目標走\n韓國200萬這個目標管理要很清楚這樣我們才有辦法監督啊不然我們大家都在閒聊而已嘛所以我就抓你明天200萬明天我還會問你這個200萬達成沒有所以我們在去年11月成立了釜山辦事處目的也在這裡好沒問題啦就是你給我一個目標我來監督管理然後督促公安署在做這些事情是部長這樣可以啦好OK謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.792 --> 00:08.596\n謝謝主席請陳部長、觀光署、周署長部長早、署長早今天還是就觀光的問題就叫交通部我看了一下統計的數據\n\n00:30.947 --> 00:54.502\n這個出境的觀光人數持續的跟入境持續的逆差那我有請周署長上一次到我辦公室拜會的時候我有請你就這一個問題到底在就我一直在強調這個我們要解決一個問題也就是說大家說國旅不好\n\n00:55.680 --> 01:10.223\n那入境旅客也沒有辦法達到疫情前如果你從這個統計表就可以看得到這個中間中間這一節是疫情我們就姑且不論\n\n01:11.872 --> 01:40.048\n疫情前跟疫情後哪怕疫後大概也一兩年的時間了嘛所以呢這個數字的回復的狀況並沒有辦法達到疫前所以普遍啊觀光業者觀光產業普遍這兩年這個哀鴻遍野大家很多的這個對於這個觀光業的產業的發展大家存在很大的危機感那我有請\n\n01:42.184 --> 01:59.248\n署裡面做一個基本的研究也就是我一直覺得要對症下藥才有辦法來面對觀光產業的問題那我不知道這個署裡面有沒有已經做出因為已經過了好幾個月了你們認為觀光產業現在的狀況為什麼會差\n\n02:06.664 --> 02:09.646\n主要是我們的國旅的部分我們預判今年應該可以人次可以恢復到這個疫情前\n\n02:24.033 --> 02:45.605\n但是我們的這個住宿的部分可能還沒辦法達到也就是說我們現在一日遊還是佔百分之這個70就是留宿的部分比較少那外來來台觀光旅客我們的目標是年底要達到1000萬那現在大概到10月初是600萬\n\n02:47.006 --> 02:52.690\n我們的目標還是沒變但是確實不可抗力的因素有幾個那第一個是地震第二個是颱風第三個是軍演那這三個因素確實受到影響\n\n03:08.900 --> 03:10.221\n貿易貿易貿易貿易貿易\n\n03:23.951 --> 03:24.271\n蔡其昌\n\n03:48.897 --> 03:48.917\n韓國出鏡\n\n04:05.193 --> 04:33.083\n那截至到目前為止他的出鏡也是入鏡少出鏡多這個是一個各國不同的因素是讓我花一點時間讓你講是因為這個我還是覺得在這個所謂問題的掌握上剛剛我聽到的你認為這個來台旅客人數少主要原因是大環境的因素啦譬如說你提到軍演\n\n04:34.144 --> 04:58.150\n你提到地震還有一個是颱風還有匯率那如果照這個邏輯因為我們做措施是為了解決問題也就是我們端出政策是為了解決問題那上述這四個看起來都不是你觀光局可以解決的對不對\n\n04:59.258 --> 04:59.318\n蔡其昌\n\n05:17.523 --> 05:37.169\n台灣不是地震不是今年剛發生嘛,地震每一年都有啊,而且地震很頻繁在台灣,就像日本地震也很頻繁,但它無法阻止台灣旅客瘋狂的跑到日本去。那一樣的道理,台風,日本的台風我覺得以這兩年來看,日本的台風還比台灣更多。\n\n05:38.772 --> 05:58.687\n那第三個這個軍演軍演我看也不是今年嘛而且以軍演的角度來看以最近這次軍演台灣股市也不受任何影響他軍演他的台灣股市還是照漲所以我的意思是說如果以這個客觀因素就光光數去理解到這個\n\n06:00.829 --> 06:23.666\n路徑旅客減少如果是把這個當成重要目標這是第一個我認為我其實是不是太能夠接受那第二個我反推啦因為我不知道你沒有給我這個詳細數據的報告到底為什麼那我反推我從你的政策來反推譬如說你現在吼這個叫做第四季的加碼措施\n\n06:24.446 --> 06:50.318\n也就是外國團客你發了獎助也就是說來台補助譬如說來台灣住幾天的美團獎助金一萬八到四十九人提高美團獎助金三萬五十人以上美團獎助金四萬換言之觀光局在這一個問題這一個政策我的理解是認為來台灣旅行太貴\n\n06:52.312 --> 07:18.307\n因為太貴所以我政府端出的一個政策我就是我幫你補貼我的理解啦每一個政策背後他一定有問題要解決嘛那你推出這個現金補貼其實就是象徵著台灣太貴啦外國人站不來所以我就發獎金鼓勵他來這個是一個嘛第二個我看你找了這個\n\n07:20.607 --> 07:21.731\n這個SA的成員歸選來代言台灣觀光\n\n07:25.236 --> 07:51.869\n那找一個韓國的代言韓國的明星代言換言之我背後理解這個政策的目的是你要第一個要攻韓國的市場第二個你認為韓國台灣在韓國人心目當中可能知名度尚不足所以我要找一個代言人知名度很高的代言人韓國人很熟悉的一個明星一個人物他來代言然後讓韓國人更知道台灣\n\n07:53.499 --> 07:58.664\n看起來你推這些政策跟你的客觀分析好像也有點落差\n\n07:59.315 --> 08:26.352\n譬如說你應該告訴我說臺灣太貴所以我們交通部的政策就是現金補貼你應該告訴我說臺灣觀光景點在韓國人心目當中很模糊所以我就找了韓星來代言我為了讓韓國人更加了解臺灣觀光的特色不然這個政策跟你分析給我聽為什麼觀光客不來臺灣這兩者之間我沒有辦法把它連結起來蘇長你懂我的意思嗎\n\n08:26.772 --> 08:45.515\n是委員是專家但是我也利用這個機會跟大家報告一下跟委員報告一下就是一些優惠的措施對旅行社來講他們其實還是有些平價的市場那這個各國都有一些措施那第二個我們代言的時候也是有市場區隔\n\n08:46.576 --> 08:47.337\n韓國人就是女生來得少\n\n09:05.712 --> 09:31.223\n但是韓國人又女生出國的觀光客其實很大量很大那因為來台灣的少為什麼所以你們找了一個韓國女生很愛的男星來代言說要不要跟我去台灣玩舉例我不知道你們廣告內容是什麼所以這個叫解決問題所以本席只是告訴你說我不知道你如何對於看待觀光署如何看待\n\n09:32.401 --> 10:00.875\n到底外國觀光客來臺我們沒有辦法回到疫情前那個報告到底是什麼本席很想了解嘛你有那個報告你針對這個報告提預算本席一定全力支持嘛所以我講過我對你的內容我沒有任何反駁我也不覺得這個沒有什麼我沒有什麼特別意見但是我的意思是說你要讓我們作為一個監督者監督交通部我要很清楚知道你們交通部抓到的問題是什麼\n\n10:02.472 --> 10:28.933\n那我還是建議交通部不要再提那個客那些什麼大環境那個啦就是說日本人就有地震地震那麼多人家就不會人數就不會少而且日本客嚇死了叫大家不要來了日本太多客人了對不對所以這個我是覺得提這個又會討罵而已嘛所以我們就針對我們觀察我們統計到因為所有data都在都在書裡面嘛我們書裡面掌握到這些data不同的市場不同的說法我們對症下藥好\n\n10:31.235 --> 10:54.944\n那我接下來我只問說這個請龜賢到代言那我們做了什麼事情對就我們請他做了什麼事因為我只好像看到只有記者會吧記者會是開始做對接下來因為我們是前面的前置作業包括的市場調查領選對然後再來的話他們就是在我們在韓國市場裡面他也來台灣拍實際的\n\n10:56.244 --> 10:57.185\n韓國的市場明年你們的預估可以成長多少?\n\n11:24.903 --> 11:48.459\n韓國跟日本是我們臺灣一個非常重要的市場那我們第一個目標是要恢復到疫情之前所以現在我們基本上啦臺灣應該有能量日本跟韓國這兩個市場來臺灣都應該可以達到200萬人次疫情前是200萬嘛韓國還不到所以你現在希望明年的目標韓國就200萬我們還是往這個目標走\n\n11:52.783 --> 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11:37:21","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長陳世凱列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。）","id":155581,"gazette":{"lineno":634,"blocks":[["蔡委員其昌：（11時25分）謝謝主席。請陳部長、觀光署周署長。"],["主席：陳部長，還有周署長。"],["陳部長世凱：委員好。"],["蔡委員其昌：部長早，署長早。今天還是就觀光的問題就教交通部。我看了統計數據，出境觀光人數持續跟入境有逆差，上一次周署長到我辦公室拜會時，我有請你就這個問題……我一直在強調，要解決一個問題，也就是大家說國旅不好，而入境旅客數也達不到疫情前水準，這點從這個統計表就可以看得到。中間這一節是疫情時期，我們就姑且不論；疫情前跟疫情後，即便是疫後也一、兩年時間了，但數字的回復狀況並沒有辦法達到疫前。這兩年觀光產業普遍都哀鴻遍野，對於觀光產業的發展也存在很大的危機感。我請署裡面做基本研究，因為我一直覺得要對症下藥，才有辦法面對觀光產業的問題。不知道署裡面是不是已做出？已經過好幾個月了。你們認為現在觀光產業為什麼會差？"],["陳部長世凱：我請署長。"],["蔡委員其昌：來，署長。"],["周署長永暉：謝謝委員指正。我知道委員非常關心，我們也一直在斟酌這件事。針對國旅，我們預判今年人次應該可以恢復到疫情前，但在住宿部分可能還沒辦法達到。也就是現在一日遊還是占70%，留宿的比較少。"],["蔡委員其昌：來臺觀光旅客的目標是年底要達到1,000萬，到10月初大概是600萬，你覺得原因是……"],["周局長永暉：580萬。"],["蔡委員其昌：對，接近600萬，你覺得原因是什麼？檢討的結果與原因？"],["周局長永暉：我們的目標還是沒變，但確實有幾個不可抗力的因素：第一個是地震、第二個是颱風、第三個是軍演，確實受到這三個因素的影響。還有，經濟因素也是不可控的，就是匯率差。有關匯率差的部分，確實，以日本市場來講，今年日本出境的部分也只有800多萬，雖然我們一直很努力，但這部分也是一個現實的問題。不過這些不是藉口，我們還是做了一波又一波的國際行銷！我們在國際行銷上推出了臺灣觀光品牌3.0，國際與各國觀光客都有發現臺灣在疫情之後推出臺灣觀光品牌3.0，眼睛為之一亮，且針對各國不同，我們都有各自的推動方式。韓國跟臺灣比較像，出境的量也很高，將近1,900萬，截至目前為止，他們也是入境少出境多，這是各國不同的因素。"],["蔡委員其昌：OK。署長，雖然我給你時間講了，但在問題的掌握上，就以剛剛我聽到的來說，你認為來臺旅客人數少，主要原因是大環境的因素，譬如你提到軍演、提到地震，還有一個是……"],["陳部長世凱：颱風，還有匯率。"],["蔡委員其昌：颱風和匯率。如果照這個邏輯，因為我們做措施是為了解決問題，也就是我們端出政策是為了解決問題，上述這4個看起來都不是觀光署可以解決的，對不對？不是嘛？而且這4個，我也說實在話，除了你講到匯率，那可能是對日本的匯率比較有差啦！但是我們的觀光客當然日本是一個很大的來源，那像韓國或其他是我們可以努力的嘛！"],["周署長永暉：對。"],["蔡委員其昌：臺灣地震不是今年剛發生嘛！地震每一年都有啊！而且在臺灣地震很頻繁，就像日本地震也很頻繁，但它無法阻止臺灣旅客瘋狂地跑到日本。一樣的道理，講到颱風，我覺得以這兩年來看，日本的颱風還比臺灣更多，對不對？第三個軍演，軍演我看也不是今年嘛！而且以最近這次軍演的角度來看，臺灣股市也不受任何影響，它軍演它的，臺灣股市還是照漲。我的意思是，觀光署去理解到入境旅客減少，如果是把這個當成重要目標，這是第一個我其實不太能夠接受的。","第二個，因為你沒有給我這個詳細數據的報告到底為什麼，那我從你的政策來反推。譬如現在這個叫做第4季的加碼措施，就是發獎助給外國團客，也就是來臺補助。譬如來臺灣住幾天的，每團獎助金1萬元；8到49人提高，每團獎助金3萬元；50人以上每團獎助金4萬元。換言之，觀光署提出這一個政策，我的理解是認為來臺灣旅行太貴，因為太貴，所以政府端出了一個政策幫你補貼。這是我的理解啦！每一個政策背後一定有問題要解決嘛！你推出現金補貼，其實就是象徵著臺灣太貴了，外國客人不來，所以就發獎金，鼓勵他來。這是一個原因。","第二個，我看你找了SJ的成員圭賢來代言臺灣觀光。找一個韓國的明星代言，換言之，我理解這個政策背後的目的是，第一個，你要攻韓國的市場；第二個，你認為臺灣在韓國人的心目中可能知名度不足，所以我要找一個知名度很高、韓國人很熟悉的明星、人物來代言，讓韓國人更知道臺灣。看起來，你推這些政策跟你的客觀分析好像也有點落差。譬如你應該告訴我：「臺灣太貴，所以交通部的政策就是現金補貼」；你應該告訴我：「臺灣的觀光景點在韓國人心目當中很模糊，所以我就找了韓星來代言，是為了讓韓國人更加了解臺灣觀光的特色」。不然，這個政策跟你分析給我聽為什麼觀光客不來臺灣的原因，這兩者之間我沒有辦法連結起來。署長，你懂我的意思嗎？"],["周署長永暉：是，委員是專家，但是我也利用這個機會跟大家報告一下、跟委員報告一下。一些優惠的措施對旅行社來講，他們其實還是有些平價的市場，各國都有一些措施。"],["蔡委員其昌：我沒有……我其實不是……"],["周署長永暉：第二個，我們代言的時候，也是有市場區隔，譬如是女性的，或者是30歲到40歲的。我們都有做市場區隔。"],["蔡委員其昌：對，我的意思是，你應該先把那個報告讓立法院知道。譬如你讓本席知道，本席也跟你說你們到底為什麼……譬如你分析出來覺得韓國人就是女生來的少，但是韓國人又女生出國的觀光客其實量很大，那因為來臺灣的少，所以你們找了一個韓國女生很愛的男星來代言，說要不要跟我去臺灣玩啊？舉例啦！我不知道你們的廣告內容是什麼，所以這個叫解決問題嘛！"],["周署長永暉：是。"],["蔡委員其昌：所以本席只是告訴你，我不知道觀光署如何看待……外國觀光客來臺，我們沒有辦法回到疫情前，那個報告到底是什麼？本席很想了解。你有了那個報告，你針對這個報告提預算，本席一定全力支持嘛！我講過我對你的內容沒有任何反駁，我沒有什麼特別意見。但我的意思是，我們作為監督交通部的監督者，我要很清楚知道……"],["周署長永暉：應該的。"],["蔡委員其昌：你們交通部抓到的問題是什麼。我還是建議交通部不要再提那些什麼大環境。"],["周署長永暉：是。"],["陳部長世凱：要根據交通部能夠做的範圍來解決。"],["蔡委員其昌：日本也有地震，地震那麼多，他們的人數就不會少，而且日本根本嚇死了，叫大家不要來了，日本太多客人了，對不對？我覺得提這個又會討罵而已嘛！所以我們就針對我們觀察、我們統計到的，因為所有data都在署裡面，署裡面掌握到這些data……"],["周署長永暉：是，不同的市場，不同的說法。"],["蔡委員其昌：對，怎麼對症下藥。"],["周署長永暉：對症下藥。"],["蔡委員其昌：接下來我只問，請圭賢代言，那我們做了什麼事情？就是我們請他做了什麼事情？因為我好像只有看到記者會。"],["周署長永暉：記者會是開始做。"],["蔡委員其昌：對，那接下來呢？你們打算……"],["周署長永暉：因為我們是前面的前置作業，包括市場調查……"],["蔡委員其昌：OK！我的意思是……"],["周署長永暉：再來的話，我們在韓國市場裡面，他也來臺灣拍實際的體驗。"],["蔡委員其昌：所以我們會拍影片？"],["周署長永暉：對，會拍影片。"],["陳部長世凱：會拍影片……"],["周署長永暉：然後在韓國不同的管道來……"],["蔡委員其昌：在不同的通路來播？"],["周署長永暉：對，通路來播，然後……"],["蔡委員其昌：OK，這個都要做啦！不然請他來開個記者會是沒什麼用的。"],["周署長永暉：是，尤其是手遊族，是我們代言人的一個很重要的功課。"],["蔡委員其昌：我們抓一個目標嘛！請圭賢來代言之後，明年韓國的市場你們預估可以成長多少？"],["周署長永暉：韓國跟日本是我們臺灣一個非常重要的市場，我們第一個目標是要恢復到疫情之前。"],["蔡委員其昌：對。"],["周署長永暉：基本上，臺灣應該有能量，日本跟韓國這兩個市場來臺灣都應該可以達到200萬人次。"],["蔡委員其昌：疫情前是200萬嘛？"],["周署長永暉：還不到。"],["蔡委員其昌：韓國？"],["周署長永暉：對。"],["蔡委員其昌：所以你現在希望明年的目標是韓國200萬？"],["周署長永暉：對，我們還是往這個目標走。"],["蔡委員其昌：韓國200萬？"],["周署長永暉：韓國一定要200萬。"],["蔡委員其昌：這個目標管理要很清楚，這樣我們才有辦法監督啊！不然我們大家都在閒聊而已嘛！所以我就抓你們1年200萬。"],["周署長永暉：這是一個非常重要的市場，所以我們……"],["蔡委員其昌：明年我還會問你韓國200萬達成沒有。"],["周署長永暉：所以我們在去年11月成立了釜山辦事處，目的也在這裡。"],["蔡委員其昌：好，沒問題啦！就是你給我一個目標，我來監督管理，然後督促觀光署來做這些事情。部長，這樣可以吧？"],["周署長永暉：謝謝委員。"],["蔡委員其昌：OK，謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝蔡其昌委員。","接下來邀請徐富癸委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":106,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-6","speakers":["陳素月","李昆澤","林沛祥","林國成","許智傑","林俊憲","魯明哲","廖先翔","黃健豪","邱若華","蔡其昌","徐富癸","林德福","黃建賓","李坤城","楊瓊瓔","涂權吉","何欣純","葉元之","廖偉翔","羅廷瑋","陳培瑜","張啓楷","吳宗憲","羅智強","洪孟楷","李柏毅","陳瑩","黃國昌","邱志偉","游顥","麥玉珍","林宜瑾","劉建國","王鴻薇","傅崐萁"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-10-16"],"gazette_id":"1138501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138501_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請交通部部長陳世凱列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138501_00001"}}}