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00:01:45,730\n王鴻薇議員王鴻薇議員\n\n7\n00:02:16,571 --> 00:02:16,611\n王鴻薇議員\n\n8\n00:02:33,084 --> 00:02:57,875\n臺灣唯一無二但是呢因為才從之前的這個行政院三分兩次因為有遊說特定團體在遊說那麼北科大因為說他要這個增加校舍校舍不夠就一直要這一塊地那麼現在呢\n\n9\n00:02:58,795 --> 00:03:16,011\n他們現在已經開始在分割土地當然都審會過幾天就會審查那這個部分是陳基德以前是鄭文燦副院長現在是陳金德這個政委在做的一個協商我要告訴部長這件事情也許你上任不久你不知道\n\n10\n00:03:17,202 --> 00:03:36,902\n北科大他心意卓著他要增加校舍我們沒有什麼要反對的但是全台校舍這麼多尤其好多的私校到退場以後閑置校舍一頭拉骨為什麼非要這一塊土地我剛剛講他是唯一的一個百年的啤酒廠\n\n11\n00:03:38,624 --> 00:03:41,985\n那麼你把這個整個古蹟分割之後,變成什麼樣呢?這個古蹟啊,頭留給台皮,留給那個建國啤酒廠。身體跟這個腳啊,就割給北科大。北科大為什麼要?你一直說北科大幹嘛要古蹟呢?因為他要容積率。他把容積再灌到他的校地上。\n\n12\n00:04:02,315 --> 00:04:11,099\n北科大一直說我們學校有這個可以啊來這個修復文資保護文資的這個能力可是部長我們就一個baby吧他的媽媽可以養你為什麼一定要把他搶過來養而且還要把他分割搶過來養所以現在很多的文資團體都在搶救這個百年建國啤酒廠的活股機\n\n13\n00:04:31,687 --> 00:04:53,793\n如果被北哥他強硬的把他割出去你看到沒有上面這個這個墨綠色的也是他的也是他的這個是一個在營業中目前還營運的一個啤酒廠大學用地1這個大概有75%的用地都是古蹟啊大學用地2才是他的校舍合理嗎所以部長\n\n14\n00:04:56,374 --> 00:05:15,159\n北科大要效市我們沒有意見全台灣頂這麼多為什麼非要這塊土地非要我們百年建國啤酒廠破壞了一個百年建國啤酒廠對教育也是非常不好的時間超過了是不是部長給書面報告或者是之後再跟王委員解釋好嗎我希望你們讓北科大提出\n\n15\n00:05:20,780 --> 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