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00:00:59,480\n封面有提到預言臺灣再4年恐找不到新的員工那用了30幾頁報導百大企業對於高齡員工的聘僱的情形這個勞動部的關注\n\n4\n00:01:11,815 --> 00:01:16,137\n我們看這個情況百強企業90%上市歸公司這個是從2023年的企業永續報告書裡面統計出來的徵用的新進的員工90%是50歲以下\n\n5\n00:01:30,349 --> 00:01:47,234\n對於51歲以上只有7%大家還是不太聘用比例還是很低所以勞動部這麼努力在推但是還是很低但是事實上在全體員工比例當中51歲已經佔了20%所以這裡要問到2028年2028年下次總統的選舉這個臺灣人口紅利結束\n\n6\n00:01:59,335 --> 00:02:23,500\n也就是說工作人口低於三分之二然後現在在講我們45歲還要稱他叫中高齡嗎45歲那政府還在歧視高齡者嗎企業只要新鮮的乾嗎大家台灣還是屬於這樣等級的社會嗎所以呢這已經到了企業存亡\n\n7\n00:02:24,540 --> 00:02:49,657\n身死存亡的關頭企業有沒有這個警覺性看起來是沒有所以呢勞動部還是要加把勁要加把勁在這裡那這裡也看到張哲宇演壯世代會成為市場的主力他會說會成為市場的主力當然這裡很清楚65歲以上的勞產率臺灣非常的低這是勞動部自己當然羅志強委員這裡是勞動部自己的網站的統計報告\n\n8\n00:02:54,588 --> 00:03:06,106\n那另外一個看了就在11年後青年的工作25到44歲只有23%占不到四分之一然後\n\n9\n00:03:07,438 --> 00:03:11,180\n我跟王珍旭委員共同推提案通過勞基法第54條的修正案\n\n10\n00:03:31,132 --> 00:03:52,399\n那這個修正案就是鬆綁的勞資協商對有餘員工中可以延長資那這個引起媒體很大的幾乎是頭版報導這個是一個劃時代勞動部做一個劃時代的一個創舉到現在很多人還是在質疑所以這個只是一個宣誓性的\n\n11\n00:03:52,859 --> 00:04:10,069\n因為本來勞資協商就可以延長了還需要你立法嗎所以跟修法前跟修法後有什麼不一樣而且這個協商如果是完全是不公平的是僱主同不同意的話那這也不需要協商了所以我這裡要問這個\n\n12\n00:04:12,010 --> 00:04:38,631\n在三讀之後像在今年的審計部有針對勞動部這裡對於在強制退休繼續聘僱上的主導權還是由僱主掌握那對有意願繼續工作的勞工恐被迫接受減薪或其他不公平的待遇導致更不穩定的職場環境這是審計部的研究報告那我要問部長請問這個協商機制\n\n13\n00:04:41,013 --> 00:04:55,531\n什麼時候可以提出來?跟委員報告其實我們本來勞資雙方就有協商的機制本來就有協商機制就是說當然針對你這個延後退休的這樣子的協商\n\n14\n00:04:56,243 --> 00:04:56,403\n吳春城議員\n\n15\n00:05:12,361 --> 00:05:28,986\n我們台灣中小企業居多啦吼那麼我們如果能夠從政府部門或是我們就從國公營企業帶頭的話從有規模的企業帶頭來做就是說你從有工會協商能力的這樣子的企業可能帶頭協商\n\n16\n00:05:30,286 --> 00:05:53,815\n所以看起來我們這個法通過之後沒有協商辦法就協商辦法是舊的沒有對這個專屬因為這件事情這個事情非常的重大不論只是比如說一般性的協商對延後退休然後原來的協商這一件事情非常的重要所以我是不是可以請勞動部\n\n17\n00:05:55,782 --> 00:06:00,005\n對於這種員工勞工提出他有工作意願僱主必須要提出書面如果僱主不答應的話必須提出書面說他會影響到\n\n18\n00:06:22,479 --> 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