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00:01:07,779\n引信的還不知道多少所以它的成長幾乎是翻倍那麼其中最嚴肅的就是65歲以上因為投資詐騙受害的更是最多而且一直在累進增加在這樣子的情況之下在我們財政部你認為你有什麼因應的這個方案來防止這個試詐讓大家可以試詐具備有試詐防詐的這個能力\n\n4\n00:01:08,871 --> 00:01:24,301\n部長跟委員報告當然第一個我們會在我們的行員的部分增加關懷也就是對於這個年長者有時候做高額的匯款的時候要多問一些讓他們知道這是現在就已經在做所以我們也有相當的一個成效資本攔阻成功的也蠻高的蠻高但是我們的數字是往上升所以要不要再精準方案策略\n\n5\n00:01:37,490 --> 00:02:03,785\n另外對於那些客戶在開戶的時候也要確實執行KYC也就是說對客戶因為避免這些詐騙的人開帳戶開人頭戶這樣所以這個部分也要特別注意這個除了注意以外我們有什麼應對因為本期要跟你討論的是如果這個帳號它已經有嫌疑你們能不能連線法務部這些司法檢調單位\n\n6\n00:02:06,046 --> 00:02:28,198\n對,因為有很多很明顯一看就知道是詐騙的這個人頭戶對,所以我們也會參加財經公司所建制的約定帳號的一個揮名單的通報也就是說在這個部分銀行之間都會有相關的對於這種揮名單比較有可疑的帳戶都會提早做一個警示對,揮名單我們要怎麼去預防因為預防重於治療所以這個課題我再給部長你再去精準方案\n\n7\n00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:54,506\n對,這一定要一直精進的一直精進,你把書面資料給本席因為我們一直精進,但是數字是一直增加我們也不願意只有一句話道高一尺,魔高一丈這個也是漏氣至極所以我們是政府我們更應該要去精準這個方案你把精準方案給本席好嗎?好的,我們再提一個報告給你你多久可以給本席?\n\n8\n00:02:55,326 --> 00:02:55,907\n需你通過的商業同業公會他們成立\n\n9\n00:03:11,401 --> 00:03:38,297\n在這樣的情況之下虛擬資產保管也事半業務所以本席要請教你們參考了國際的經驗你也要提升了整個風險管理跟資訊的安全的標準這是最基本的我們也為了要跟世界接軌我們也必須要這麼做但是本席要請教虛擬資產的保管的主題是業務你預計要什麼時候會上路\n\n10\n00:03:40,345 --> 00:03:59,910\n是,那在這個部分的話這個事辦,那麼明年初就上路明年初上路,那據本席了解好像很多的這個銀行跟券商他不是很熱情的願意參與,有這回事嗎?有這回事嗎?因為你已經明年初了,現在十月了,有沒有把握?\n\n11\n00:04:03,909 --> 00:04:23,934\n其實我們已經有人洽兩家兩家他們已經願意開始做因為畢竟是一個新型的一個業務他們有時候比較沒有接觸過所以換句話現在好你事辦現在兩家嘛那你現在明年是正式上路明年是正式上路嗎明年的話什麼時候會正式上路\n\n12\n00:04:24,634 --> 00:04:37,103\n其實我們今年第四季齁今年第四季的時候就是現在呢我們就會推出虛擬資產的一個主題業務示範對所以是說呢那我們在這個部分齁明年就是正式上路這是示範嗎?什麼時候正式上路嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:56,067\n因為我們要看看業者在這示範的過程中因為我們是滾動式檢討就是我們要往前推因為畢竟在這個部分那你總是有一個KPI的指標跟目標跟軌道在那裡嘛所以本期再一次請教現在示範那什麼時候會正式你們的目標\n\n14\n00:05:00,902 --> 00:05:17,854\n其實我們的目標就是明年正式上路明年一月正式上路好我們就朝這個目標你不要緊張我們就在聽你的政策然後我們會去追蹤接下來本期最後一個議題請教IMB的平台詐騙金管會鼓勵銀行跟P2P\n\n15\n00:05:22,257 --> 00:05:45,702\n的這個平台業者去進行合作所以目前為止你們宣稱的五家合作銀行那麼在8月7號的時候監察院提出有四家是有狀況的沒有依照你們目前的這個指標流程所以本席要請教我們為了管控房子洗錢以及治安的風險你要\n\n16\n00:05:47,822 --> 00:06:10,580\n若實將P2P的這個業務納入銀行的內控那你目前也已經行文給銀行工會請他們請銀行來做是不是啊是那所以你們是不是有具體的指標跟SOP給他們因為你五家監察院就給你提出四家有狀況欸\n\n17\n00:06:12,523 --> 00:06:37,374\n為什麼會如此呢?請說明因為目前為止我們是透過銀行工會我們也想要來組成一個就是鼓勵他們成立一個所謂的工會但是因為他們P2P業者彼此之間的業務的關係或什麼東西目前為止這個工會籌組的自律現在還在進行當中就是因為在溝通平台根本還沒有辦法去溝通所以本席提出這個議題這個問題你一直\n\n18\n00:06:41,636 --> 00:06:45,091\n一道指令下去給沿南工會沿南工會要依據什麼?\n\n19\n00:06:46,653 --> 00:07:14,710\n要依據什麼?所以本席具體建議你必須將具體的指引跟SOP你要給銀行公會這個是你金管會必須要去做嫁接橋樑的這個重點工作嘛對不對是那我們會再跟銀行公會持續保持聯繫你多久時間趕快跟他們去討論人家收到你一張文不知道怎麼做你多久時間你具體的SOP流程跟指令可以告訴本席\n\n20\n00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:23,924\n是,因為我們現在銀行公會那邊溝通是順暢但是P2P業者他們公會一直組起來當然啊所以你必須要連結得上才有結果啊你要不要去溝通\n\n21\n00:07:28,952 --> 00:07:52,114\n你督導單位啊那大批通信的平台怎麼跟你們去連結啊去討論啊對不對你趕快去做好不好你也要讓銀行公會銀行團他能夠有一個指標有一個SOP嘛對不對是不是你要不要去做會做多久時間會有一個方向出來告訴我們\n\n22\n00:07:55,696 --> 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