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00:02:49,626\n過去休一例一休的時候把七天假拿掉是所有勞工心中的痛那我認為這個是應該翻篇的因為那個是前朝政府的決策新的政府上任大家其實都對於這個放假制度的再調整有所期待所以本期也提出了這個國定假日跟節日跟紀念日的實施辦法我們把它入法變成條例的方式來做處理就是希望可以幫勞工把假討回來\n\n8\n00:02:52,509 --> 00:03:19,589\n除了這個國定假日之外其實台灣不只是國定假日比人家少這個台灣的特休也比很多歐美國家都少歐美國家動輒20天以上的特休甚至有一個月甚至到一個半月的特休兩個月的我都聽過那台灣的特休價格相對少特休少國定假日又少那當然台灣變成過勞之島請問部長新上任新的政府對於解決工時過長的問題針對放假的政策勞動部有沒有任何的修正的想法\n\n9\n00:03:20,885 --> 00:03:42,706\n委員第一個我們台灣的這個年總工時你要看他的內涵我們因為我們全時工作者多那日韓部分公司因為我們的部分公司工作者很少只有3%左右日韓他們都有高達20%左右甚至日本有25%的部分公司工作者\n\n10\n00:03:43,527 --> 00:04:05,726\n部分公司工作者在勞動條件或是社會安全方面保障都是比較不好的相較起來我們的勞工的這樣的年總工時可是是因為我們是全時工作者多所以我們不能這樣來類比說其他即便是跟全時工作者相比那你想歐美國家也是全時工作者多對不對那他們的工時甚至更少對不對我們比好不比爛嘛\n\n11\n00:04:06,426 --> 00:04:07,048\n部長你現在的想法是什麼\n\n12\n00:04:18,468 --> 00:04:44,278\n委員我們在週休二日修法當年一例一休修法的時候已經處理這個問題了當年就是因為增加了116每年都可以修116天比過去多增加休假因為週休二日嘛一例一休那麼所以我們才把七天假所謂拿掉而且委員七天假還有一個大問題是他們都是過時的\n\n13\n00:04:45,698 --> 00:04:45,978\n委員會主席\n\n14\n00:05:01,584 --> 00:05:17,158\n只是改了這個東西而不要去砍七天假的話那勞基法其實往好的方向修正可是就是因為你砍了這個七天假反而讓他變成勞工心中的痛我認為在政府改朝換代的同時啊應該做重新的思考現在世界各地很多主流甚至是比如週休三日他的概念都慢慢開始出來\n\n15\n00:05:18,459 --> 00:05:37,482\n所以是不是這樣子的一個壓榨勞工的這種這減少放假的然後還導致颱風架等等衍生問題的狀況本期認為有必要來做一些調整所以這些案子這個今天日及節日實施條例草案很快就會有公聽會很快就會有審查希望勞動部做好準備也希望不要被過去的框架跟包袱所拖累\n\n16\n00:05:38,163 --> 00:05:50,192\n如果能夠審視現在的國際趨勢或者是站在勞工的本位從降低我們的工時提高勞工的待遇來出發做好的修繕這是我們期待部長上任之後可以完成的重要政策目標請部長納入思考可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝部長辛苦了謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6618\t8668\t好謝謝主席喔這個勞動部部長有請有請何部長\n14860\t41569\t部長午安前一段時間颱風清洗風災政治學又被端上檯面各地的網友無不在臉書上敲碗盛讚各地的首長長得很帥或長得很美就是希望在放颱風架的時候可以重寬認定讓颱風架大家可以休息一下部長以前的時候可能大家對這件事情不會那麼在乎可是這幾年大家對於颱風架其實是非常積極在要求部長覺得原因是什麼\n43899\t68465\t當然我想氣候變遷也許颱風不是氣候啦你從一般人民百姓的角度出發就是工作太累了嘛希望颱風當然我們都同意政府在決策的過程中當然應該以安全為第一要務對不對但是你會發現有的時候欸剛剛好風災來然後沒風沒雨的時候結果大家跑去KTV跑去逛街對不對欸那個平常是什麼時候做的事是假日的時候在做的事\n68985\t69085\t兩千...當然...\n99190\t116531\t我們現在是2100多吧比我的數據還多好可怕我這邊數據是2008個小時那你想2100多這超過2000啦相比於在世界主要國家排名高達世界第6前幾年更是名列前茅變成過勞之島相比亞洲的主要國家對不起委員我剛剛要\n118253\t146196\t有降下來嗎?對,那個去年我們是2019 2019個小時對,超過2000還是一樣的我們減少了85個小時南韓喔,年度總工時1904日本1626其實跟台灣其實我們經濟上都是競爭的對手可是人家工時就是比我們短而且南韓跟日本都還有15到16天的國定假日其實都比台灣還多喔所以這個假日的考慮一直都是勞工各級勞工團體跟各級勞工心中非常期待的\n146776\t169626\t過去休一例一休的時候把七天假拿掉是所有勞工心中的痛那我認為這個是應該翻篇的因為那個是前朝政府的決策新的政府上任大家其實都對於這個放假制度的再調整有所期待所以本期也提出了這個國定假日跟節日跟紀念日的實施辦法我們把它入法變成條例的方式來做處理就是希望可以幫勞工把假討回來\n172509\t199589\t除了這個國定假日之外其實台灣不只是國定假日比人家少這個台灣的特休也比很多歐美國家都少歐美國家動輒20天以上的特休甚至有一個月甚至到一個半月的特休兩個月的我都聽過那台灣的特休價格相對少特休少國定假日又少那當然台灣變成過勞之島請問部長新上任新的政府對於解決工時過長的問題針對放假的政策勞動部有沒有任何的修正的想法\n200885\t222706\t委員第一個我們台灣的這個年總工時你要看他的內涵我們因為我們全時工作者多那日韓部分公司因為我們的部分公司工作者很少只有3%左右日韓他們都有高達20%左右甚至日本有25%的部分公司工作者\n223527\t245726\t部分公司工作者在勞動條件或是社會安全方面保障都是比較不好的相較起來我們的勞工的這樣的年總工時可是是因為我們是全時工作者多所以我們不能這樣來類比說其他即便是跟全時工作者相比那你想歐美國家也是全時工作者多對不對那他們的工時甚至更少對不對我們比好不比爛嘛\n246426\t247048\t部長你現在的想法是什麼\n258468\t284278\t委員我們在週休二日修法當年一例一休修法的時候已經處理這個問題了當年就是因為增加了116每年都可以修116天比過去多增加休假因為週休二日嘛一例一休那麼所以我們才把七天假所謂拿掉而且委員七天假還有一個大問題是他們都是過時的\n285698\t285978\t委員會主席\n301584\t317158\t只是改了這個東西而不要去砍七天假的話那勞基法其實往好的方向修正可是就是因為你砍了這個七天假反而讓他變成勞工心中的痛我認為在政府改朝換代的同時啊應該做重新的思考現在世界各地很多主流甚至是比如週休三日他的概念都慢慢開始出來\n318459\t337482\t所以是不是這樣子的一個壓榨勞工的這種這減少放假的然後還導致颱風架等等衍生問題的狀況本期認為有必要來做一些調整所以這些案子這個今天日及節日實施條例草案很快就會有公聽會很快就會有審查希望勞動部做好準備也希望不要被過去的框架跟包袱所拖累\n338163\t350192\t如果能夠審視現在的國際趨勢或者是站在勞工的本位從降低我們的工時提高勞工的待遇來出發做好的修繕這是我們期待部長上任之後可以完成的重要政策目標請部長納入思考可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝部長辛苦了謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席喔這個勞動部部長有請有請何部長\n部長午安前一段時間颱風清洗風災政治學又被端上檯面各地的網友無不在臉書上敲碗盛讚各地的首長長得很帥或長得很美就是希望在放颱風架的時候可以重寬認定讓颱風架大家可以休息一下部長以前的時候可能大家對這件事情不會那麼在乎可是這幾年大家對於颱風架其實是非常積極在要求部長覺得原因是什麼\n當然我想氣候變遷也許颱風不是氣候啦你從一般人民百姓的角度出發就是工作太累了嘛希望颱風當然我們都同意政府在決策的過程中當然應該以安全為第一要務對不對但是你會發現有的時候欸剛剛好風災來然後沒風沒雨的時候結果大家跑去KTV跑去逛街對不對欸那個平常是什麼時候做的事是假日的時候在做的事\n兩千...當然...\n我們現在是2100多吧比我的數據還多好可怕我這邊數據是2008個小時那你想2100多這超過2000啦相比於在世界主要國家排名高達世界第6前幾年更是名列前茅變成過勞之島相比亞洲的主要國家對不起委員我剛剛要\n有降下來嗎?對,那個去年我們是2019 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