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--> 00:02:19,655\n是這樣子嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:28,819 --> 00:02:58,019\n但是呢結果呢這是你的理想結果呢我們這你看10年你特別是民進黨從103年103年到現在我們平均的經費超過百分之100從4萬到8萬3平均每一個人我們的素質我們的教育的國際排名我們的所有的這些問題有更改善嗎\n\n9\n00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:21,599\n跟委員報告確實在過去的PISA在這個10年前我們的PISA大概在各個不管閱讀或者科學或者數學特別在閱讀大概都是20名左右以我們現在最近的一個調查PISA最新的一個結果我們在數學物理跟科\n\n10\n00:03:22,660 --> 00:03:25,804\n跟委員報告這披薩是15歲也就針對國中三年級跟高中一年級16歲的這些小孩所做的一個調查\n\n11\n00:03:40,060 --> 00:03:42,823\n政府對教育的投資當然我們都是很贊成的不過這個的比例也是很驚悚的幾乎是\n\n12\n00:04:01,984 --> 00:04:08,450\n我們投入了超過三倍的預算平均每個人當中的他的成果應該可以要更加的顯著\n\n13\n00:04:23,965 --> 00:04:35,955\n我想跟委員報告這個確實委員從企業經營的一個概念怎麼樣讓我們的教育經費的投入能夠更具有這個這個他的一個效益跟品質這是我們要來努力來這個嚴守的\n\n14\n00:04:41,019 --> 00:05:05,987\n然後再來的話另外一種人這也是我談了很久這一個其實談了一個會期的然後我們8月10號也有這個公聽會我們的教育部的次長也有出席做一些承諾但是到現在我只要確認一下這個政策目前推行的狀況怎麼樣是哪一個單位在負責是高教師還是中教師\n\n15\n00:05:06,527 --> 00:05:31,147\n跟委員報告我們過去原來是一個比較是終身師因為壯世代委員從委員的觀點是希望大概在55歲以後的這樣一個壯世代但確實我現在進來以後我認為從終身學習的一個概念包含為師校找到許多的一些出路怎麼樣去協助他們發展特色的一個學校然後也能夠\n\n16\n00:05:32,148 --> 00:05:32,328\n吳春城\n\n17\n00:05:57,112 --> 00:05:59,554\n所以原來答應了說對於那個第三人生大學推動的這一個的政策現在是聽白嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:26,909 --> 00:06:54,028\n我們基本上在114年就會有一個上半年就有一個說明會跟審查的一個作業所以上半年是等於明年我們上半年就會有做這樣一個好接下來另外再從預算上面上次的總諮詢當中有對這個高齡的那個中間教育師是3.4億你有說今年有多了2億多那我算起來大概有6億吧\n\n19\n00:06:55,669 --> 00:06:58,031\n吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員\n\n20\n00:07:23,266 --> 00:07:37,152\n分配6億的教育預算每個人是100塊一年教育經費部長覺得這樣子是什麼意思跟委員報告我們確實在整個應該是說我們整體的一個預算我們並不是用這個6億來來除以這個600萬的我們其實是\n\n21\n00:07:41,914 --> 00:08:05,262\n我剛才跟委員報告我們希望在高教師跟終身師裡邊有更多的合作所以我們其實在整個總體的一個預算上我們一定會有一個更有效的來支持但是呢不管你怎麼說啦就是說其實對這一塊教育是非常方會的剛才那個平均一個人是8萬多的教育經費這裡是100塊\n\n22\n00:08:07,903 --> 00:08:08,083\n吳春城議員\n\n23\n00:08:26,190 --> 00:08:53,633\n還是沒有覺醒這一塊的所以要更加的努力其實我們真的非常積極努力在思考這個怎麼樣讓30歲離開學校以後他們不管在職場不管在休閒在這一個興趣的發展或者能力的一個另外更多能力的養成我們其實一直希望能夠有更多的管道那個我知道30歲以上都很好但是現在這一個\n\n24\n00:08:55,154 --> 00:08:55,274\n吳春城議員\n\n25\n00:09:18,737 --> 00:09:42,627\n30歲到60歲但50歲之前我覺得沒有什麼太大問題你就是後端的這一端的問題非常的嚴重要針對這樣的問題現在非常的就社區大學就是什麼那個樂齡大學就是這種敷衍式的教育沒有跟委員報告其實委員可以看到我們現在例如說以華泛來講他原來是一個相對可能要退場的一個學校\n\n26\n00:09:43,047 --> 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