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00:00:27,763\n我先打謝謝主席我們請部長委員好部長好部長從520上任到現在也差不多將近就是5個月的這個時間我想請教就是說在這個5個月當中就是勞動部要怎麼樣確實保障每一位勞工的權益其實我在最近也聽到很多就是說\n\n2\n00:00:29,504 --> 00:00:54,059\n現在其實傳統產業非常的不景氣這是確實喔傳統產業真的我們看到可能就是一些電子產業半導體算是還非常非常的好可是傳統產業真的非常的不景氣那我想請教就是說在針對這個勞工的這個權益剛剛楊委員有特別提到有關這個這個部長講就是說撥補就是\n\n3\n00:00:57,361 --> 00:01:02,823\n勞動部的權益還有什麼需要再加強的?當然謝謝委員的提醒我想勞工的權益當然永遠都會是我們需要努力的方向跟目標那麼我想當前對我來講就是\n\n4\n00:01:20,988 --> 00:01:32,720\n希望能夠提升勞工薪資是我上任以來也是一個很重要的工作那麼要務實的去面對缺工的問題也不能讓缺工等於低薪這也是我另外一個要面對的課題所以這中間的全場拿捏當然我們都必須去面對\n\n5\n00:01:37,905 --> 00:01:40,687\n委員當然提示就是傳產傳產這邊所面臨的困境我們也看到這個問題所以我在最低工資雖然有漲上來我也對中小微企業我們提出了補助方案我們每一個員工可以讓他補助到一萬塊然後一個企業最多可以補助十萬這個\n\n6\n00:02:01,457 --> 00:02:02,598\n其實我們知道說勞工就是算是比較弱勢\n\n7\n00:02:19,937 --> 00:02:45,126\n所以我們也希望說勞動部針對勞工權益的部分真的要實時知道就是說勞工真的非常的辛苦要怎麼樣去保障他們的權益那部長我想請教就是說監察院也有表示勞動部跟新北市政府對於這個大量解雇的外籍漁工沒有一個有效的通報機制那因為外籍漁工他也沒有勞保嘛\n\n8\n00:02:45,726 --> 00:02:50,909\n就業保險有將外景漁工納進去?有喔,我們近海的漁業現在都讓它適用勞基法耶。那就業保險的部分有納進去嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:08,861 --> 00:03:23,254\n有保沒有,那怎麼樣去保障這些外籍漁工,因為我們看到真的確實這些外籍漁工一旦被這個解雇之後,確實他們的生活真的是還\n\n10\n00:03:26,375 --> 00:03:48,120\n我們是從媒體上面看到的所以我不知道說勞動部跟地方政府你們針對這一部分你們要怎麼樣去保障這些外籍漁工因為如果其實在媒體這樣公布出來甚至如果外國的媒體公布其實對台灣的整體形象是非常不好\n\n11\n00:03:48,800 --> 00:04:11,757\n所以我是認為就是說勞動部針對這一部分你們未來要怎麼如果說要被解雇的話那應該要有一個有效的通報應該要有一個管道啊委員其實這個都一直這個是有有這個通報機制的啦那麼就業服務法裡面我們對這樣的被資遣的移工當然他就是允許他轉換雇主嘛\n\n12\n00:04:13,038 --> 00:04:38,191\n好這是第一個對他的保障第二個我們在所謂的大量解雇法齁其實在如果他可以跟業主協商的話我們沒有排除移工的移工都可以如果說協商雙方可以給付之前或者是什麼費之前費什麼這些移工都一樣可以享用到對那麼關於外籍移工的問題是有他的特殊性啦因為\n\n13\n00:04:39,692 --> 00:04:59,029\n外景漁工又分遠洋跟近海您提到的像監察院他糾正的這個是近海的這是算近海的他確實是適用牢籍法沒有錯不過他有一個特性我們近海的漁業他要出海捕魚他會有中間休餘\n\n14\n00:05:01,691 --> 00:05:19,517\n秀芳秀喜的因為魚會游來游去他有季節性有的時候就這個時候才需要他就跟農業一樣很農忙的時候他才需要上工他沒有的時候他就要休息那那像這樣子你們怎麼就是監察院都已經糾正了可是委員這個也是我們要跟監委溝通的啦\n\n15\n00:05:21,118 --> 00:05:44,093\n你也要考慮我們的產業特性啊。比如說我的農業,我就是有農盲跟這個的時候,或者是漁業也一樣。你不能說一律強制要這個漁業的僱主,他在休餘的期間也要僱用他,這個就真的是...不是很好,那這些外籍義工他已經到台灣,就已經在這邊了,那你怎麼去解決這個問題?\n\n16\n00:05:47,295 --> 00:05:48,035\n那我請署長再補充說明一下\n\n17\n00:06:00,336 --> 00:06:22,662\n我跟委員報告這一次因為新北市它發生的這個休餘的情況確實我們跟農業部漁業署就發現到這種情況之下可能會對外籍移工有造成一個權益上的受損所以第一個監察院當初在關心的時候其實我們跟漁業署現在已經建立了預警跟通報機制那因為所有漁船如果要休餘他是要通報漁政機關\n\n18\n00:07:11,059 --> 00:07:11,079\n﹝廣告﹞\n\n19\n00:07:32,523 --> 00:07:58,106\n那接下來我想請教就是說我們在這幾年當中我們年輕朋友在求職的時候大部分都是透過這個網站可能就是這個私立就業服務機構提供的這個網站那有的可能就是一些業者自己本身架設網站公司機構的網站那我想請教因為我在今年暑假的時候我就碰到\n\n20\n00:07:59,286 --> 00:08:27,083\n兩位他是這個大學剛畢業那他是透過這個公司機構自己架設的這個網站求職結果他這個根本就是一個詐騙的公司那結果這個新這個新鮮人算是剛進到這個就業市場的這個新鮮人其實他完全根本也不知道老闆叫他去做的是違法的老闆請他提供\n\n21\n00:08:27,623 --> 00:08:50,143\n她的銀行帳號請她去公園有客戶要給公司錢收貨款就去公園收貨款結果警察就在公園附近埋伏結果就把這兩個抓起來了\n\n22\n00:08:51,734 --> 00:09:15,717\n所以我想請教就是說勞動部針對我們所有的年輕人他的習慣求職他就是透過這個網站就業私立的就服的這個網站或者是我們自己勞動部的這個網站或者是公司機構自己架設的網站那怎麼樣是讓這些年輕人不要因為這樣子然後受騙\n\n23\n00:09:16,698 --> 00:09:17,119\n我請署長說明一下\n\n24\n00:09:31,798 --> 00:09:54,989\n委員報告因為網路詐騙這個情況其實跨部會對這個問題都很重視我們現在在目前我們只有幾個措施第一個就是說在民間的能力網站我們已經建立了一個合作機制就是有一些黑名單過去我們就把它下架禁止它刊登第二個就是說民眾可能有這樣的一個物資認知上的問題我們加強宣導我們有求職方便的一些措施\n\n25\n00:09:55,629 --> 00:10:22,806\n那最後就是說網路現在比較需要跨部會合作與司法警政單位的就是像剛剛委員提到的個人私人架設的或是說像那種FB這種社群媒體因為這個東西都不是在我們目前救護法規管的範圍那現在未來就是說在訴發部跟警政署現在會有一個跨部會的一個平台那我們未來會去合作就是說對於一些有疑似的案件我們就啟動跟司法警察一起來做一個查辦\n\n26\n00:10:23,206 --> 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