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00:02:35,523\n我講我們朝那個委員所提的那個方向在努力好,因為時間有限喔另外在這個鮮奶選項中我也要提醒部長從國人的這個乳糖不耐症的照顧的研究顯示我國乳糖不耐症的比例可以高達88%那我也注意到這個政策照標裡面也有提供豆漿的選項但是我要建議你其實針對這樣的族群市面上其實有提供所謂的無乳糖的鮮奶可以喝那未來是不是可以提供這樣特殊的鮮乳的選項\n\n8\n00:02:38,132 --> 00:02:49,188\n我想這個農業部都會把這些納入在未來我們在滾動式修正所以以上我提出的都是需要評估的行措施那我要拜託我們部長是不是可以麻煩將相關的評估報告會後交給我\n\n9\n00:02:51,374 --> 00:03:18,744\n好的好不好那再來當然另外一部分就是有這個若農協會理事長也表示先辱行情是18元保酒辱現在你們農業部的是說14元先辱是16元那中央訂定的價格實在太低所以這個部分也不能夠說沒有完全沒有配套之外當初訂定的價格就不合理也怕說到時候這樣子會不會導致被迫廠商將低品質的供應給學童這部分是不是可以重新檢討價格\n\n10\n00:03:22,338 --> 00:03:38,225\n謝謝委員因為確實我們因為政策推動以後發現這個整個包括專配怎麼樣去增加現場老師的一些額外的負擔我們看到嘉義縣也有這樣的一些對我的問題就是說這個你們會重新檢討嗎這個價格的部分會這個價格的部分我想怎麼樣把分專配送這個部分也能夠適度的還一些成本我想\n\n11\n00:03:47,228 --> 00:04:09,425\n我另外想請教部長當初斑斑有鮮乳的政策是農業部提議還是你們教育部提議的這個案子有沒有報到行政院還是說這個政策基本上是府方或是院方直接交辦我想當時他確實農業部是看到為了照顧我們本國的這個糯農然後希望能夠及早因應這一個紐西蘭這一個這個液態鮮奶的一個進口免稅的一個進口\n\n12\n00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:18,855\n所以你的意思是說是農業部發起的對不對確實確實是他發起的可是現在看起來好像互相甩鍋這樣\n\n13\n00:04:26,394 --> 00:04:29,136\n最後部長我還想要再講一下這個有關危老校舍的部分最後也想要問一下我國現有的老舊校舍有超過50年以上有2000棟\n\n14\n00:04:46,866 --> 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