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00:01:50,888\n這個事情我還是講在跟委員報告這個只是我的一個構想然後我們在過去在討論全球能源的這個在民主同盟的這個互相支援的情況之下那麼剛好菲律賓他們跟美國跟日本有一個旅送經濟走廊的一個合作計畫\n\n6\n00:01:51,969 --> 00:02:10,619\n那我就在想說這個有沒有機會台灣的廠商去那個地方這個參加他們的這個計畫那如果可以參加他們的計畫那麼我也就去請教了我們有沒有辦法有那個基建的這個參加他們的基建基礎建設計畫\n\n7\n00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:39,466\n所以照部長這樣講那看起來是雲報非常有遠見高瞻遠矚在經濟部要做宣布之前他就已經在6月17號先去那個先發布新聞稿在菲律賓做這個太陽能產業所以基本上他是在經濟部之前根本不知道經濟部要做只是他先去剛好不謀而合而合然後經濟部又宣布說要去菲律賓\n\n8\n00:02:40,026 --> 00:02:41,028\n我們目前不可能買雲豹的綠能\n\n9\n00:02:51,147 --> 00:02:57,751\n因為你說是他們要我這樣講表示其實針對這件事情你是深思熟慮然後才說要去菲律賓買這個綠能對不對\n\n10\n00:03:16,758 --> 00:03:27,347\n我不太習慣就是說大家認為我這樣是草率發言所以我還是認為說回想一下我確實\n\n11\n00:03:29,076 --> 00:03:33,617\n因為大家都認為說我沒有一個行動計畫沒有一個上位計畫然後我就要講做這件事情就是草率發言\n\n12\n00:03:54,484 --> 00:04:13,748\n這別人給我的定位是這個樣子不過說實在話來因為講到雲報能源這部分的問題剛好這個不謀而合對很多民眾覺得真的是太巧合難免給外界有太多遐想的空間有太多的疑慮是謝謝好那針對桃園齁這個8個月來今年8個月來請問部長知道這8個月來桃園跳電多少次嗎\n\n13\n00:04:25,030 --> 00:04:29,108\n我手上沒有這個詳細資料好那總經理知道了齁\n\n14\n00:04:31,465 --> 00:04:56,677\n我們有請同仁統計啦但是我們也知道就是說數字上並沒有比去年要來得好好那我跟部長這邊說明一下據我們的資料顯示這1到8月份桃園就跳電247次也就是說平均一天要跳電一次以上而且昨天也大跳電中壢平鎮一個大停電2700多戶受影響\n\n15\n00:04:59,378 --> 00:05:11,152\n那針對這部分那個部長你也是我們基層企業出身啊那你想想看這種常常跳電停電對企業影響多大而且很多都是民生用電會不會太過於頻繁啊\n\n16\n00:05:15,330 --> 00:05:40,389\n這部分我們會深入的去研究為什麼會如這個委員所指教的這部分但是這個它有一個共同的我們過去有一個研究就是說當人口增加然後用電增加的地區是比較容易這個跳天部長剛好你有講因為在總諮詢的時候你也是這樣子回答其實據我們了解你看一下我們的\n\n17\n00:05:41,849 --> 00:06:09,441\n數據顯示台電主要停跳電事故的原因其實你看一下其實最大的原因還是台電自己的設備故障你看他跳電200多次有111次都是台電自己的設備所以其實並不是台電常常回復外力所致看起來都是台電自己內部設備故障的問題所以針對這部分我記得部長你有回復說在明年年\n\n18\n00:06:10,667 --> 00:06:38,349\n中旬以前尤其我們桃園沿海地方這電網你要全部來改善來更新對不對是跟委員報告因為你也知道這個電網的那個數量尤其是配電最底層接到用戶這邊的數量非常的大沒關係明年中旬以前有沒有辦法去改善我們持續在改善尤其這一些紅區民眾比較關心我希望說那個部長要記得明年中旬以前來改善然後針對這個\n\n19\n00:06:39,750 --> 00:07:02,538\n部長有講針對桃園簽入人口用電增加的問題造成這個停跳電的問題當然我們看一下數據顯示桃園市現在人口是增加最多沒有錯而且他是目前人口成長率最高的一個縣市所以部長說人口增加用電增加造成他停跳電可是我們再看下一個數據\n\n20\n00:07:04,699 --> 00:07:22,698\n從109年到113年這麼多年來其實你看喔我們人口雖然增加可是台電給我們的用電並沒有增加也就是說雖然人口增加可是用電並沒有增加然後還是造成停調電變成跟部長的說法好像不太一樣喔\n\n21\n00:07:25,387 --> 00:07:44,236\n跟委員報告其實我們的那個城市那個都市一直在成長某些地區有人人口增加但是某些地區事實上是部分是降低的所以我的整個電網事實上針對新增加的區域我還是要持續再擴建所以是總量是這樣看對所以你看這個數據其實你看我們112年用電還比111年112年比111年110年少而且我們今年1到8月的\n\n22\n00:07:53,160 --> 00:08:07,618\n比同期的用電也沒有增加可是我不知道為什麼跳電增加那麼多後來我們針對台電的統計在2023年我們北部的用電量是931億度但是我們北部的發電量\n\n23\n00:08:08,419 --> 00:08:27,319\n只有750億度也就是說我們北部其實短缺200億度所以經過我們了解就是因為南電北送才造成線路的損耗而且我們這個電力的損耗損耗6.41度相當我們人民就損失了23億元的電費\n\n24\n00:08:30,479 --> 00:08:55,701\n跟委員報告桃園地區因為大部分都是屬於高壓用戶就是工廠蠻多的這些工廠在去年跟前年大概是因為景氣比較不好所以它用電下降大概是這個因素造成所以我要跟部長總經理來提醒一下目前看起來真的就是我們北部的電就是不夠用所以你南電北送你造成很大的損耗而且你這個\n\n25\n00:08:57,362 --> 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