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00:00:38,061\n請陳副部長副部長你好你好今天你被問了一整天那個台鐵漲價的事嘛我們做個總結第一個春節過年前不會漲對不對對這是第一個嘛那我也肯定你你說你不會把這次10月份今天開始漲電價的\n\n2\n00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:47,677\n加到臺鐵這票在裡面去嘛這個應該落實好不好可是我現在為什麼聽到臺鐵那個說什麼遭過二次要再送去董事會是什麼\n\n3\n00:00:53,074 --> 00:01:10,780\n請杜董杜董你不用回答啦你現在送去你現在只要貫徹部長講的兩個過年前春節前不能去好不好跟委員報我們還在研議中研議齁所以你之前上去討論你一定要貫徹這個地理你今年上的那個價格不是2.28億喔4.56億對不對絕對不要加上去喔\n\n4\n00:01:14,821 --> 00:01:15,621\n趙明上面的數字183很恐怖喔\n\n5\n00:01:46,489 --> 00:02:05,808\n這個數據太恐怖了吧6個月我們的行人發生事故不限過往的183人那一天大概就是平均一個所以怪不得CNN算我們是行人地域啊那交通部我看資料你們本來訂了今年要比去年是要降7%\n\n6\n00:02:08,107 --> 00:02:32,490\n結果現在不只沒有降反升對不對上升了將近6%5.78%這個要拜託一下部長這要當作為重中之重來處理好不好是我們來看一個個案目前7月跟8月是已經都下降了這些數字對對對1到7月已經降了那8月也都降一些繼續努力好不好希望把今年這個目標是真的達到是往下降整體來說到目前為止比去年的同期還降\n\n7\n00:02:32,930 --> 00:02:35,071\n主要發生意外的原因其實就是公車要轉彎的時候沒有停下來沒有看\n\n8\n00:02:50,441 --> 00:03:14,867\n我們有強制停等但在這一台公車他沒有停等而且我們不只強制停等還強制要指差確認但是他顯然是沒有做這個動作所以我們現在一個是強制要去執行第二個應該是修法跟修相關的規則我們看一下目前的規定是道路交通安全規則的第103條的第二款我進去看各自這個規定有沒有有漏洞\n\n9\n00:03:18,045 --> 00:03:21,152\n汽車行進行人道穿越的時候,欲有行人穿越\n\n10\n00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:24,304\n現在是只要有行人都得停等所以我們就修這個法把它修掉好不好\n\n11\n00:03:50,585 --> 00:04:19,254\n這個法要看起來的條文就是你看到有人遇到嘛遇有人穿越你才停下來嘛那事實上你應該就是我知道你們現在已經這樣做啦我是說你應該把這個規則就這樣定了你寫的紅字這邊是只要遇到有行人穿越就要啦後面當然有些條件更要啦前面只要是行人穿越就要就要停現在問題就出在你看不到行人有穿越或者有死角嘛所以應該不是說有行人的時候你才停下來\n\n12\n00:04:20,649 --> 00:04:48,554\n是不是?應該像日本嘛,你到了一個路棚,你要轉彎的時候你就要停下來,而且要做手勢嘛,是不是?部長,我先跟你講一下,來來。剛剛這個條文是你們要負責管的。報告委員,這個是一般的汽車啦,但是只要是客運的那種大型車輛是,不管有沒有人,他都必須要停等,而且要止差確認,尤其是客運公車,不管有沒有人都得停。對嘛,這是你現在的規定嘛,對不對?是啊是啊。喔,所以你的規則裡面你就把它訂好啊。\n\n13\n00:04:49,695 --> 00:04:59,252\n不是只有要求交通部做我做立法委我也來修啊道路交通管理條例的法則第44條第二項也沒有明定喔我們分工好不好\n\n14\n00:05:00,109 --> 00:05:26,777\n修法這部分報告這個部分這個部分沒有問題你要提案這是對對對我就明定我不是什麼什麼你看到再停下來現在應該像是但是這會影響到一般的汽車駕駛人未來只要通過路口不管是紅燈綠燈有沒有人他都得停這個可能一般的道路上面的交通可能會國家都是要停啦對不對你那個人本的社會你就是先保障行人嘛一般是大型車跟客運是這樣子我們來做這個討論好了你在\n\n15\n00:05:29,938 --> 00:05:56,580\n道路交通安全規則的103條第二款你們去處理好不好那我負責來修法修道路交通管理處罰條例的第44條第二項這要做到什麼程度我知道你們現在目前是希望九大運輸業你們都規定嘛對不對而且是說有看到人我現在是說你沒有看到人你也應該這樣做我們分工分工來做這件事情好不好另外有點時間那個我在前兩個月邀請邀請這個\n\n16\n00:05:58,888 --> 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