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00:02:39,803\n我想就是說在一直房市在房價一直高漲的過程當中就是說它一直上去那我們就金融穩定的一個觀點來看我們確實是有一點憂慮所以呢我們就是說做了這個第七波的選擇性信用管制我們希望我們的這個預期心理能夠緩轉回來\n\n8\n00:02:44,304 --> 00:03:09,579\n那這個預期心理要緩轉是不大容易的是不大容易的我們希望就是說藉這一次還有包括就是說財政部的屯房稅還有就是平均地權內政部的像這些的措施慢慢的發酵以後呢這樣這個預期的心理能夠緩轉回來慢慢的能夠就是說能夠softlanding能夠\n\n9\n00:03:10,660 --> 00:03:32,837\n那你認為在哪種情況下有可能發生國內黃式泡沫化?我想以目前來看我覺得因為以目前我們銀行體系還是算是非常的健全的所以我們總覺得如果在這個時刻來出手的話也許是時間是會比較好\n\n10\n00:03:35,359 --> 00:03:35,739\n林鄭月娟總裁\n\n11\n00:03:55,549 --> 00:04:20,630\n那這個泡沫要怎麼去定義實在是也很難那你認為又或者是有哪些因素催化這個稚雞皇室泡沫化的可能性呢?會不會?當然就是說如果說預期這個還是在強調預期就是說預期它的房價都一直在上漲的時候呢那麼大家就會拼命的去買房子\n\n12\n00:04:21,536 --> 00:04:36,914\n那這個就很容易就是催化了這個他的泡沫那個總裁今年3月中旬央行業務報告時你曾說健全皇室方案需要跨部會的合作同意政策要有一致性\n\n13\n00:04:38,075 --> 00:05:04,069\n並表示央行選擇性信用管制目的並非抑制整個台灣的房價在意的是金融的穩定那如果房價上漲金融依然相當穩定央行會抱持謹慎的態度總裁因為經過半年的時間央行也持續推出對健全房市的方案或做法而且\n\n14\n00:05:05,590 --> 00:05:24,788\n選擇性的信用管制力道似乎愈來愈重的這種跡象那我請問央行是不是認為國內房市整個發展的狀況已經有出現對金融穩定產生動搖的跡象所以才會加重來管制這樣的一個做法\n\n15\n00:05:26,249 --> 00:05:49,959\n我們是擔心持續的下去的話是不好對整個我們的房地產的一個長期的健全的發展是不好的對金融穩定它是一種威脅所以我們必須要做未雨綢繆要必須在事先的時候來出手然後抑制房價上漲的預期心理總裁\n\n16\n00:05:51,499 --> 00:06:06,196\n如果有過去像日本資產的一個泡沫美國次貸的這種危機以及近年來中國房地產的問題哪種狀況是我們現階段需要作為借鏡的\n\n17\n00:06:06,556 --> 00:06:31,951\n你認為呢?我想就是說日本跟美國這個情況都非常的清楚就是說一開始的時候大家對於這個房地產的那個預期的心理政府沒有做很好的一個沒有很很謹慎的去處理他他導致了他的泡沫他垮下來那中國大陸呢他的出所呢是\n\n18\n00:06:33,912 --> 00:07:00,170\n可能是有一點太慢有一點太慢然後而且出手太重才導致現在他現在你看看我看看就是說他現在有一點就是要讓他要再上來的那個力道好像是不足的是不足所以我總覺得中國大陸的這個案子是值得我們去接近的\n\n19\n00:07:00,991 --> 00:07:16,545\n總裁,如果沒有那你認為幾波的選擇性信用管制措施下來會不會讓外界感覺政府的做法是高高級級輕輕放下,會不會?也不會啦,我想是就是說到目前為止\n\n20\n00:07:17,305 --> 00:07:17,445\n總裁林鄭月娥\n\n21\n00:07:47,285 --> 00:08:09,626\n施定政府變成小雞的遊戲中轉彎逃跑的懦夫角色會不會?我想也不會啦因為報告就是我跟委員報告就像我們這一次對於就是說已經有房子的然後他要身帶第一戶的這個我們就要我們就用那個什麼寬限期就禁止寬限期\n\n22\n00:08:11,388 --> 00:08:11,408\n總裁\n\n23\n00:08:33,766 --> 00:08:52,565\n因為媒體報導央行宣布祭出第七波選擇性信用管制被視為史上最重房市管制的政策那震驚整個市場更是楊總裁直接向投資客宣戰展現去除房市過度的槓桿\n\n24\n00:08:53,806 --> 00:09:20,241\n的決心那總裁出眾手打草王有名義代表擔憂恐怕濫殺無辜所以說你說會在一個月內盡快提出配套必要時將對所謂的無辜者給予協助或是提出排除的條款會持續聽取各方的意見那我請問總裁央行推出選擇性信用管制的\n\n25\n00:09:21,181 --> 00:09:40,702\n的做法前對外界所指可能出現無辜者有沒有一定的瞭解?事實上呢我們因為我們幾波下來的時候呢大多多少少我們都會知道就是說哪一些我們要必須要注意他的比如說換房子的\n\n26\n00:09:44,685 --> 00:10:11,438\n換王子了你看我們上一波我們就已經把它排除掉了然後呢事實上呢繼承者事實上我們以前我們也都有注意到只有說當時呢我們沒有對這個第一戶我們沒有對第一戶然後沒有房貸那現在他要房貸的時候我們給他就是限制了寬限體事實上呢這個我們就因為以前有注意但是我們對這一個我們沒有實施管制嘛\n\n27\n00:10:11,958 --> 00:10:12,719\n一邊威嚇一邊試水溫再來排除所謂無辜者\n\n28\n00:10:26,992 --> 00:10:53,840\n目的就是要對投機客這個勿忘勿重是不是這樣子是是是沒錯因為現在有公股銀行表示將會爭取這個繼承房屋以小換大等兩類換屋族可被排除在簽確決書配套下可獲寬限期那我請問總裁你認為做法可行嗎我可行啊可行喔當然可行對\n\n29\n00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:06,364\n我認為配套措施應該要早日提出來讓大家瞭解好不好謝謝謝謝林德虎委員接著請吳秉瑞委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n350\t5471\t是不是請這個央行的楊總裁好 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landing能夠\n190660\t212837\t那你認為在哪種情況下有可能發生國內黃式泡沫化?我想以目前來看我覺得因為以目前我們銀行體系還是算是非常的健全的所以我們總覺得如果在這個時刻來出手的話也許是時間是會比較好\n215359\t215739\t林鄭月娟總裁\n235549\t260630\t那這個泡沫要怎麼去定義實在是也很難那你認為又或者是有哪些因素催化這個稚雞皇室泡沫化的可能性呢?會不會?當然就是說如果說預期這個還是在強調預期就是說預期它的房價都一直在上漲的時候呢那麼大家就會拼命的去買房子\n261536\t276914\t那這個就很容易就是催化了這個他的泡沫那個總裁今年3月中旬央行業務報告時你曾說健全皇室方案需要跨部會的合作同意政策要有一致性\n278075\t304069\t並表示央行選擇性信用管制目的並非抑制整個台灣的房價在意的是金融的穩定那如果房價上漲金融依然相當穩定央行會抱持謹慎的態度總裁因為經過半年的時間央行也持續推出對健全房市的方案或做法而且\n305590\t324788\t選擇性的信用管制力道似乎愈來愈重的這種跡象那我請問央行是不是認為國內房市整個發展的狀況已經有出現對金融穩定產生動搖的跡象所以才會加重來管制這樣的一個做法\n326249\t349959\t我們是擔心持續的下去的話是不好對整個我們的房地產的一個長期的健全的發展是不好的對金融穩定它是一種威脅所以我們必須要做未雨綢繆要必須在事先的時候來出手然後抑制房價上漲的預期心理總裁\n351499\t366196\t如果有過去像日本資產的一個泡沫美國次貸的這種危機以及近年來中國房地產的問題哪種狀況是我們現階段需要作為借鏡的\n366556\t391951\t你認為呢?我想就是說日本跟美國這個情況都非常的清楚就是說一開始的時候大家對於這個房地產的那個預期的心理政府沒有做很好的一個沒有很很謹慎的去處理他他導致了他的泡沫他垮下來那中國大陸呢他的出所呢是\n393912\t420170\t可能是有一點太慢有一點太慢然後而且出手太重才導致現在他現在你看看我看看就是說他現在有一點就是要讓他要再上來的那個力道好像是不足的是不足所以我總覺得中國大陸的這個案子是值得我們去接近的\n420991\t436545\t總裁,如果沒有那你認為幾波的選擇性信用管制措施下來會不會讓外界感覺政府的做法是高高級級輕輕放下,會不會?也不會啦,我想是就是說到目前為止\n437305\t437445\t總裁林鄭月娥\n467285\t489626\t施定政府變成小雞的遊戲中轉彎逃跑的懦夫角色會不會?我想也不會啦因為報告就是我跟委員報告就像我們這一次對於就是說已經有房子的然後他要身帶第一戶的這個我們就要我們就用那個什麼寬限期就禁止寬限期\n491388\t491408\t總裁\n513766\t532565\t因為媒體報導央行宣布祭出第七波選擇性信用管制被視為史上最重房市管制的政策那震驚整個市場更是楊總裁直接向投資客宣戰展現去除房市過度的槓桿\n533806\t560241\t的決心那總裁出眾手打草王有名義代表擔憂恐怕濫殺無辜所以說你說會在一個月內盡快提出配套必要時將對所謂的無辜者給予協助或是提出排除的條款會持續聽取各方的意見那我請問總裁央行推出選擇性信用管制的\n561181\t580702\t的做法前對外界所指可能出現無辜者有沒有一定的瞭解?事實上呢我們因為我們幾波下來的時候呢大多多少少我們都會知道就是說哪一些我們要必須要注意他的比如說換房子的\n584685\t611438\t換王子了你看我們上一波我們就已經把它排除掉了然後呢事實上呢繼承者事實上我們以前我們也都有注意到只有說當時呢我們沒有對這個第一戶我們沒有對第一戶然後沒有房貸那現在他要房貸的時候我們給他就是限制了寬限體事實上呢這個我們就因為以前有注意但是我們對這一個我們沒有實施管制嘛\n611958\t612719\t一邊威嚇一邊試水溫再來排除所謂無辜者\n626992\t653840\t目的就是要對投機客這個勿忘勿重是不是這樣子是是是沒錯因為現在有公股銀行表示將會爭取這個繼承房屋以小換大等兩類換屋族可被排除在簽確決書配套下可獲寬限期那我請問總裁你認為做法可行嗎我可行啊可行喔當然可行對\n655240\t666364\t我認為配套措施應該要早日提出來讓大家瞭解好不好謝謝謝謝林德虎委員接著請吳秉瑞委員發言\n","txt":"是不是請這個央行的楊總裁好 總裁\n林委員早總裁你早總裁我請教因為央行為維持金融穩定及健全銀行的業務希望資金不要過度流向不動產市場那現在演變成影響房市最大的黑手正在辦理房貸的部分金融消費者也因為貸款受挫而把矛頭對向央行\n總裁媒體下標第七波信用管制是金龍你的名字金龍海嘯不是龍之的龍現在黃代錦說信用管制重篡黃氏交易量位於金龍海嘯第一排的黃仲業近期交易狀況慘不忍睹請問你認為黃仲業的狀況是正常嗎\n我跟委員報告那我想我們的報告在我們的報告裡面我們有充分說明為什麼我們會做這個第七波的選擇性信用管制措施\n那事實上我們也都知道就是說在前一年我們的一個房市太過熱了,太熱了那所以呢也就是說在太熱的情況之下呢我總覺得讓它擴大讓它冷卻下來\n這個就長期我們的房地產的市場我個人還有包括我們的委員會都覺得這是好的那個楊總裁因為上個月央行記者會說明房市管制措施時總裁你強調央行要打擊房價上漲的預期心理那請問你認為現在是不是已經到達房價上漲預期心理的臨界點\n我想就是說在一直房市在房價一直高漲的過程當中就是說它一直上去那我們就金融穩定的一個觀點來看我們確實是有一點憂慮所以呢我們就是說做了這個第七波的選擇性信用管制我們希望我們的這個預期心理能夠緩轉回來\n那這個預期心理要緩轉是不大容易的是不大容易的我們希望就是說藉這一次還有包括就是說財政部的屯房稅還有就是平均地權內政部的像這些的措施慢慢的發酵以後呢這樣這個預期的心理能夠緩轉回來慢慢的能夠就是說能夠soft landing能夠\n那你認為在哪種情況下有可能發生國內黃式泡沫化?我想以目前來看我覺得因為以目前我們銀行體系還是算是非常的健全的所以我們總覺得如果在這個時刻來出手的話也許是時間是會比較好\n林鄭月娟總裁\n那這個泡沫要怎麼去定義實在是也很難那你認為又或者是有哪些因素催化這個稚雞皇室泡沫化的可能性呢?會不會?當然就是說如果說預期這個還是在強調預期就是說預期它的房價都一直在上漲的時候呢那麼大家就會拼命的去買房子\n那這個就很容易就是催化了這個他的泡沫那個總裁今年3月中旬央行業務報告時你曾說健全皇室方案需要跨部會的合作同意政策要有一致性\n並表示央行選擇性信用管制目的並非抑制整個台灣的房價在意的是金融的穩定那如果房價上漲金融依然相當穩定央行會抱持謹慎的態度總裁因為經過半年的時間央行也持續推出對健全房市的方案或做法而且\n選擇性的信用管制力道似乎愈來愈重的這種跡象那我請問央行是不是認為國內房市整個發展的狀況已經有出現對金融穩定產生動搖的跡象所以才會加重來管制這樣的一個做法\n我們是擔心持續的下去的話是不好對整個我們的房地產的一個長期的健全的發展是不好的對金融穩定它是一種威脅所以我們必須要做未雨綢繆要必須在事先的時候來出手然後抑制房價上漲的預期心理總裁\n如果有過去像日本資產的一個泡沫美國次貸的這種危機以及近年來中國房地產的問題哪種狀況是我們現階段需要作為借鏡的\n你認為呢?我想就是說日本跟美國這個情況都非常的清楚就是說一開始的時候大家對於這個房地產的那個預期的心理政府沒有做很好的一個沒有很很謹慎的去處理他他導致了他的泡沫他垮下來那中國大陸呢他的出所呢是\n可能是有一點太慢有一點太慢然後而且出手太重才導致現在他現在你看看我看看就是說他現在有一點就是要讓他要再上來的那個力道好像是不足的是不足所以我總覺得中國大陸的這個案子是值得我們去接近的\n總裁,如果沒有那你認為幾波的選擇性信用管制措施下來會不會讓外界感覺政府的做法是高高級級輕輕放下,會不會?也不會啦,我想是就是說到目前為止\n總裁林鄭月娥\n施定政府變成小雞的遊戲中轉彎逃跑的懦夫角色會不會?我想也不會啦因為報告就是我跟委員報告就像我們這一次對於就是說已經有房子的然後他要身帶第一戶的這個我們就要我們就用那個什麼寬限期就禁止寬限期\n總裁\n因為媒體報導央行宣布祭出第七波選擇性信用管制被視為史上最重房市管制的政策那震驚整個市場更是楊總裁直接向投資客宣戰展現去除房市過度的槓桿\n的決心那總裁出眾手打草王有名義代表擔憂恐怕濫殺無辜所以說你說會在一個月內盡快提出配套必要時將對所謂的無辜者給予協助或是提出排除的條款會持續聽取各方的意見那我請問總裁央行推出選擇性信用管制的\n的做法前對外界所指可能出現無辜者有沒有一定的瞭解?事實上呢我們因為我們幾波下來的時候呢大多多少少我們都會知道就是說哪一些我們要必須要注意他的比如說換房子的\n換王子了你看我們上一波我們就已經把它排除掉了然後呢事實上呢繼承者事實上我們以前我們也都有注意到只有說當時呢我們沒有對這個第一戶我們沒有對第一戶然後沒有房貸那現在他要房貸的時候我們給他就是限制了寬限體事實上呢這個我們就因為以前有注意但是我們對這一個我們沒有實施管制嘛\n一邊威嚇一邊試水溫再來排除所謂無辜者\n目的就是要對投機客這個勿忘勿重是不是這樣子是是是沒錯因為現在有公股銀行表示將會爭取這個繼承房屋以小換大等兩類換屋族可被排除在簽確決書配套下可獲寬限期那我請問總裁你認為做法可行嗎我可行啊可行喔當然可行對\n我認為配套措施應該要早日提出來讓大家瞭解好不好謝謝謝謝林德虎委員接著請吳秉瑞委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.350 --> 00:05.471\n是不是請這個央行的楊總裁好總裁\n\n00:16.543 --> 00:44.381\n林委員早總裁你早總裁我請教因為央行為維持金融穩定及健全銀行的業務希望資金不要過度流向不動產市場那現在演變成影響房市最大的黑手正在辦理房貸的部分金融消費者也因為貸款受挫而把矛頭對向央行\n\n00:46.362 --> 01:08.711\n總裁媒體下標第七波信用管制是金龍你的名字金龍海嘯不是龍之的龍現在黃代錦說信用管制重篡黃氏交易量位於金龍海嘯第一排的黃仲業近期交易狀況慘不忍睹請問你認為黃仲業的狀況是正常嗎\n\n01:15.662 --> 01:29.312\n我跟委員報告那我想我們的報告在我們的報告裡面我們有充分說明為什麼我們會做這個第七波的選擇性信用管制措施\n\n01:30.413 --> 01:44.598\n那事實上我們也都知道就是說在前一年我們的一個房市太過熱了,太熱了那所以呢也就是說在太熱的情況之下呢我總覺得讓它擴大讓它冷卻下來\n\n01:49.401 --> 02:15.443\n這個就長期我們的房地產的市場我個人還有包括我們的委員會都覺得這是好的那個楊總裁因為上個月央行記者會說明房市管制措施時總裁你強調央行要打擊房價上漲的預期心理那請問你認為現在是不是已經到達房價上漲預期心理的臨界點\n\n02:17.938 --> 02:39.803\n我想就是說在一直房市在房價一直高漲的過程當中就是說它一直上去那我們就金融穩定的一個觀點來看我們確實是有一點憂慮所以呢我們就是說做了這個第七波的選擇性信用管制我們希望我們的這個預期心理能夠緩轉回來\n\n02:44.304 --> 03:09.579\n那這個預期心理要緩轉是不大容易的是不大容易的我們希望就是說藉這一次還有包括就是說財政部的屯房稅還有就是平均地權內政部的像這些的措施慢慢的發酵以後呢這樣這個預期的心理能夠緩轉回來慢慢的能夠就是說能夠softlanding能夠\n\n03:10.660 --> 03:32.837\n那你認為在哪種情況下有可能發生國內黃式泡沫化?我想以目前來看我覺得因為以目前我們銀行體系還是算是非常的健全的所以我們總覺得如果在這個時刻來出手的話也許是時間是會比較好\n\n03:35.359 --> 03:35.739\n林鄭月娟總裁\n\n03:55.549 --> 04:20.630\n那這個泡沫要怎麼去定義實在是也很難那你認為又或者是有哪些因素催化這個稚雞皇室泡沫化的可能性呢?會不會?當然就是說如果說預期這個還是在強調預期就是說預期它的房價都一直在上漲的時候呢那麼大家就會拼命的去買房子\n\n04:21.536 --> 04:36.914\n那這個就很容易就是催化了這個他的泡沫那個總裁今年3月中旬央行業務報告時你曾說健全皇室方案需要跨部會的合作同意政策要有一致性\n\n04:38.075 --> 05:04.069\n並表示央行選擇性信用管制目的並非抑制整個台灣的房價在意的是金融的穩定那如果房價上漲金融依然相當穩定央行會抱持謹慎的態度總裁因為經過半年的時間央行也持續推出對健全房市的方案或做法而且\n\n05:05.590 --> 05:24.788\n選擇性的信用管制力道似乎愈來愈重的這種跡象那我請問央行是不是認為國內房市整個發展的狀況已經有出現對金融穩定產生動搖的跡象所以才會加重來管制這樣的一個做法\n\n05:26.249 --> 05:49.959\n我們是擔心持續的下去的話是不好對整個我們的房地產的一個長期的健全的發展是不好的對金融穩定它是一種威脅所以我們必須要做未雨綢繆要必須在事先的時候來出手然後抑制房價上漲的預期心理總裁\n\n05:51.499 --> 06:06.196\n如果有過去像日本資產的一個泡沫美國次貸的這種危機以及近年來中國房地產的問題哪種狀況是我們現階段需要作為借鏡的\n\n06:06.556 --> 06:31.951\n你認為呢?我想就是說日本跟美國這個情況都非常的清楚就是說一開始的時候大家對於這個房地產的那個預期的心理政府沒有做很好的一個沒有很很謹慎的去處理他他導致了他的泡沫他垮下來那中國大陸呢他的出所呢是\n\n06:33.912 --> 07:00.170\n可能是有一點太慢有一點太慢然後而且出手太重才導致現在他現在你看看我看看就是說他現在有一點就是要讓他要再上來的那個力道好像是不足的是不足所以我總覺得中國大陸的這個案子是值得我們去接近的\n\n07:00.991 --> 07:16.545\n總裁,如果沒有那你認為幾波的選擇性信用管制措施下來會不會讓外界感覺政府的做法是高高級級輕輕放下,會不會?也不會啦,我想是就是說到目前為止\n\n07:17.305 --> 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