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00:01:04,188\n這個就是可以循環的加倍槓桿加上他又宣布3年內要印6兆元人民幣的長期國債等等各種跡象這就是他的貨幣政策已經是沒有定毛了他現在高興印多少就印多少這個會造成什麼樣子的影響\n\n4\n00:01:05,747 --> 00:01:32,144\n我跟委員報告事實上很多的國家包括美國當時在financialcrisis他所做的一個措施也是有類似的一個做法所以中國大陸他現在面臨的一些的問題國內的一些內需還有通說剛剛委員所說的他是希望在貨幣政策跟財政政策\n\n5\n00:01:33,871 --> 00:02:02,746\n特別是這兩個因為這兩個也許會速度會比較快至於就是說結構性的改變那可能要很慢所以他這兩個他要實施那實施這個事實上是不是能夠達到這個效果有些時候我們可以拭目以待我們也可以看看就像日本日本的時候他也是非常寬鬆的貨幣政策但是他到最後他也要經過10年20年甚至現在30年他慢慢再上來了\n\n6\n00:02:03,266 --> 00:02:23,798\n有人說中國的狀況比日本更嚴重日本雖然這個有所謂的失落了30年那他的泡沫經濟破裂但是日本的產業很多是外移到全世界其他地方去投資所以他是有辦法還有維持住日本財富的元氣可是中國這種\n\n7\n00:02:25,419 --> 00:02:25,439\n吳明環\n\n8\n00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:40,200\n對,沒有錯是\n\n9\n00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,661\n議員提起很多的關稅或是對於他個別產品請消的這個反請消的這個特別關稅甚至\n\n10\n00:03:20,808 --> 00:03:36,515\n美國總統在三個禮拜就要選了川普如果當選宣稱中國所有的貨物至少都要60%以上的關稅是是那這個對全球化當然是不是一件好事啦對對那這就是大家又提高了自己關稅的\n\n11\n00:03:55,067 --> 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